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In article <01bc7b99$5af74ae0$5cd2b4cf@qb-pers>, Lorne Torres
<pe...@ix.netcom.com> writes
>I've read numerous messages lately on here, and none that I've read have
>had any concerns with modem issues for the second Quake game. Playing Quake
>on the net is a fun experience, but what about those one on one games? That
>is where the real skill is. I'd like to see id fix the modem code so that
>both players experience the same or NO lag at all... why can Duke3d,
>Descent 2, Warcraft 2 and a host of other games play with no noticeable lag
>and Quake cannot?
>
Because Quake uses a different technique - client/server. It makes for
much smoother internet play but much worse modem play. You pays yer
money, you takes yer choice :).
-- 
Adam Williamson
Real Mail: ad...@scss.demon.co.uk
88.3% of statistics are made up on the spot.

In article <01bc7b99$5af74ae0$5cd2b4cf@qb-pers>, "Lorne Torres" <pe...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>I've read numerous messages lately on here, and none that I've read have
>had any concerns with modem issues for the second Quake game. Playing Quake
>on the net is a fun experience, but what about those one on one games? That
>is where the real skill is. I'd like to see id fix the modem code so that
>both players experience the same or NO lag at all... why can Duke3d,
>Descent 2, Warcraft 2 and a host of other games play with no noticeable lag
>and Quake cannot?

Why should one player suffer because the other player's connection is bad?  
This is not socialism.

>If the game is undergoing some radical changes to it's architecture, that
>should be one of it's primary concerns. If it weren't for the modem play in
>Doom2 for example, I dont think there would be as big a following or desire
>for Quake today. That's what started it all. 

I don't know about you, but I got into Doom because of network play.  Playing 
over the modem was slow and you couldn't yell at the guy while you were 
playing.

>We know the guys at id are rich, driving extremely nice cars and such.. and
>I'm sure it's not a primary concern from what I can tell so far from the
>interviews of the people in direct contact with the game that modem play is
>a priority... but we all dont have T1's in our homes to get smooth games on
>the net of course if we were all rich we'd have them...... there are many
>out there that will only play on LAN's because of the amount of lag...now I
>dont want to get into why the internet is laggy for games and such, but I
>would just like id software to consider adding good modem code to the game
>for people out there that want a good smooth one on one game.

Better connections will come with cheaper ISDN and cable modems and all of 
that hype.  Why should they kill themselves programming for the least common 
denomenator when they can make the game so much better.  I am not rich and I 
have an ISDN line.  My gameplay is great.  It helps that I have a decent ISP 
as well.  I would never go back to playing with a modem because there are many 
better options now.

You might be rich if you didn't have ISDN (or you live in California).

Brad Murray <BradMurray_...@NoSpam.com> wrote in article
<5obcb4$q...@world1.bawave.com>...
> In article <01bc7b99$5af74ae0$5cd2b4cf@qb-pers>, "Lorne Torres"
<pe...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Better connections will come with cheaper ISDN and cable modems and all
of 
> that hype.  Why should they kill themselves programming for the least
common 
> denomenator when they can make the game so much better.  I am not rich
and I 
> have an ISDN line.  My gameplay is great.  It helps that I have a decent
ISP 
> as well.  I would never go back to playing with a modem because there are
many 
> better options now.
> 

I second this. 1 on 1 is where the brain really gets a workout and lagless
modemplay has been around for a long time since Quake. Heck, if id is
really lazy, rip out the DOOM code and put it back into Quake.

-- 
AbRaXuS of Clan Warmasters
http://web.singnet.com.sg/~hidayat/warmasters

Lorne Torres <pe...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
<01bc7b99$5af74ae0$5cd2b4cf@qb-pers>...
> We know the guys at id are rich, driving extremely nice cars and such..
and
> I'm sure it's not a primary concern from what I can tell so far from the
> interviews of the people in direct contact with the game that modem play
is
> a priority... but we all dont have T1's in our homes to get smooth games
on
> the net of course if we were all rich we'd have them...... there are many
> out there that will only play on LAN's because of the amount of lag...now
I
> dont want to get into why the internet is laggy for games and such, but I
> would just like id software to consider adding good modem code to the
game
> for people out there that want a good smooth one on one game.
> 
> -=Persecutor=-
> 
> 
> 

i don't know if you 2 have been playing on 2400's for the last year or
what, but since the 9600's came out, modem play has been as smooth as it
could be, and we're now playing at over 3 times that rate...what more do
you want?

If you want my advice, get a faster modem, obviously what you have can't
be faster than a 4800....
---
>Gash<
dsrt...@mho.net

AbRaXuS wrote:

> I second this. 1 on 1 is where the brain really gets a workout and
> lagless
> modemplay has been around for a long time since Quake. Heck, if id is
> really lazy, rip out the DOOM code and put it back into Quake.
>
> --
> AbRaXuS of Clan Warmasters
> http://web.singnet.com.sg/~hidayat/warmasters
>
> Lorne Torres <pe...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
> <01bc7b99$5af74ae0$5cd2b4cf@qb-pers>...
> > We know the guys at id are rich, driving extremely nice cars and
> such..
> and
> > I'm sure it's not a primary concern from what I can tell so far from
> the
> > interviews of the people in direct contact with the game that modem
> play
> is
> > a priority... but we all dont have T1's in our homes to get smooth
> games
> on
> > the net of course if we were all rich we'd have them...... there are
> many
> > out there that will only play on LAN's because of the amount of
> lag...now
> I
> > dont want to get into why the internet is laggy for games and such,
> but I
> > would just like id software to consider adding good modem code to
> the
> game
> > for people out there that want a good smooth one on one game.
> >
> > -=Persecutor=-
> >
> >
> >

Gash wrote:

> If you want my advice, get a faster modem, obviously what you have can't
> be faster than a 4800....

    C'mon now, I know you can't be that stupid.  I have a 28.8 and have
never once had a modem to modem game without problems.  That's why
I don't play quake.  The ONLY reason I don't play quake!  Doom2 is
still, for my money, the funnest game out.  I've only reinstalled quake
last
night because I thought by some off chance I may have better luck this
time.  No dice....

Marty, aka Doomsayr

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Hi, I just started playing net quake, after nearly a year solo.
I downloaded Qspy and QuakeWorld.
The question I have is how can, in the Qspy list, I know which of the
places runs via quakeworld; also, often I sit there for 10 minutes while
all sorts of files download then I find out I can't even play at that
site. What's that all about?
Also, are there any other programs I should be running to improve
performance of my system. I gotta pentium pro 200.

Finally, can someone tell me just how QW makes it all so much better.

Thanks
--Adam

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You missed one...

ab...@uunet.net

--
Sadman's World - http://www.cisdk67.demon.co.uk/sadman
Home of the Worms TC (for Quake) and others..

... I don't suffer from insanity - I rather enjoy it!

i play quake by modem  and have little or no problems.
i hook through win95 for ipx and then frag till your eyes bleed.


but why play one person when you can play up to 32 people on the net

get qspy at  www.quakespy.com  and it will make internet play fun with
little or no lag   with a 28.8 modem

>Hi, I just started playing net quake, after nearly a year solo.

Man, I was sick of solo play quake after about 2 weeks

>I downloaded Qspy and QuakeWorld.
>The question I have is how can, in the Qspy list, I know which of the
>places runs via quakeworld; also, often I sit there for 10 minutes while
>all sorts of files download then I find out I can't even play at that
>site. What's that all about?

If you haven't downloaded qw 1.64 you need to.  Pay attention before
you connect to a server to what kind of game is playing. There are
games like CTF team fortress etc. which have different sounds, maps,
progs, and skins that will start to download if you don't have them.
You can turn off the skin download with qw 1.64. You can download ctf
levels etc. at threewave. You should also download the skin files from
http://qwcentral.com.  so you won't have to wait for them to download
or miss out on the art.

>Also, are there any other programs I should be running to improve
>performance of my system. I gotta pentium pro 200.

You need to have fastvid if you have an older pentium pro.  And get a
VooDoo 3dfx card(monster 3-D)

>Finally, can someone tell me just how QW makes it all so much better.

Play regular quake over the net and you'll see.

On Sat, 21 Jun 1997 09:17:17 -0700, Doomsayr <doom...@concentric.net>
wrote:

>Gash wrote:
>
>> If you want my advice, get a faster modem, obviously what you have can't
>> be faster than a 4800....
>
>    C'mon now, I know you can't be that stupid.  I have a 28.8 and have
>never once had a modem to modem game without problems.  That's why
>I don't play quake.  The ONLY reason I don't play quake!  Doom2 is
>still, for my money, the funnest game out.  I've only reinstalled quake
>last
>night because I thought by some off chance I may have better luck this
>time.  No dice....

Quake ain't built for the modem - that's for sure. But connect
yourself to a LAN and you have the best multiplayer game around.
So smooth with greater control and movement possibilies than anything
else. Try a rocket jump in Doom2. he he.
Buy yourself a network card and hook up with some locals who network
Quake - You'll never go back :)

Scott :)

In article <33AC91...@erols.com>, adeu...@erols.com says...
>
>Hi, I just started playing net quake, after nearly a year solo.
>I downloaded Qspy and QuakeWorld.
>The question I have is how can, in the Qspy list, I know which of the
>places runs via quakeworld; 

At the bottom of the QSpy screen you'll see some buttons.  A couple of them are 
labeled "id master" and "best.com".  Push one of these buttons and any servers 
you see listed will be QW servers.  You may have to choose "update this source" 
from the QSpy menu before you see any servers appear.

>also, often I sit there for 10 minutes while
>all sorts of files download then I find out I can't even play at that
>site. What's that all about?

Since you have played solo for so long, you prob know the id levels are named 
such as e1m1, e2m3, dm1, dm2 ect...  Look at the game that is being played 
while in QSpy and if it doesn't say something like e1m2, dm2, ect... then you 
have to download an addon patch to play.  If you see you are downloading skins, 
that is normal and shouldn't keep you from playing.

>Also, are there any other programs I should be running to improve
>performance of my system. I gotta pentium pro 200.

Perhaps fastvid which increases your framerates, but you probably know about 
this one.

>Finally, can someone tell me just how QW makes it all so much better.

The main point of QW is that there is this thing called "pushlatency".  This 
helps reduce the affects of lag and makes Quake playable over the net for modem 
users.  Also, since most people who play on QW are lagged it makes for fairer 
games.  There is also misc. stuff such as dynamic skins downoading, ect..

For more info:

Check out  http://www.planetquake.com/  and look for the "newbie guide"

Also goto http://qwcentral.stomped.com/
	 

Its not gonna happe guys. There is just too much data to push from one end
to another. what we are running into here is a lack of data transferr
technology...mainly analog mode speeds. there are just too many polygons to
be able to quickly re-represent the on both machines without faster
hardware. 

the biggest reason Doom2, Decent, Duke3D, work so well is the graphical
code is so much simpler. there is just less to move from one side to the
other. Besides, your comparing it to technology that is at least 3 to 4
years old. At least be fair. Warcraft isnt even the same type of game and
cant possibly be compare to a 3D fist person shooter such as Quake. 

If any of you guys are programmers....download the code for quake attatched
to this document. Then find source for an older 3D game such as those
mentioned above. youll find that they are drastically different and the
quake source is quite a bit more advanced. I think id did the best they
could with what they had considering the already massive delays with
getting Quake on the shelves.

Just my opinion...
Quake Rocks!!,
thanks JohnC :-)

Lorne Torres <pe...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
<01bc7b99$5af74ae0$5cd2b4cf@qb-pers>...
> I've read numerous messages lately on here, and none that I've read have
> had any concerns with modem issues for the second Quake game. Playing
Quake
> on the net is a fun experience, but what about those one on one games?
That
> is where the real skill is. I'd like to see id fix the modem code so that
> both players experience the same or NO lag at all... why can Duke3d,
> Descent 2, Warcraft 2 and a host of other games play with no noticeable
lag
> and Quake cannot?
> 
> If the game is undergoing some radical changes to it's architecture, that
> should be one of it's primary concerns. If it weren't for the modem play
in
> Doom2 for example, I dont think there would be as big a following or
desire
> for Quake today. That's what started it all. 
> 
> We know the guys at id are rich, driving extremely nice cars and such..
and
> I'm sure it's not a primary concern from what I can tell so far from the
> interviews of the people in direct contact with the game that modem play
is
> a priority... but we all dont have T1's in our homes to get smooth games
on
> the net of course if we were all rich we'd have them...... there are many
> out there that will only play on LAN's because of the amount of lag...now
I
> dont want to get into why the internet is laggy for games and such, but I
> would just like id software to consider adding good modem code to the
game
> for people out there that want a good smooth one on one game.
> 
> -=Persecutor=-
> 
> 
> 
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This is so funny, I am the one who made the zip file that Persecutor
attached to this message.  It's interesting how that zip I made so long
ago still gets some attention.

Anyways, Quake 1.09 is out guys!  Also, the Quake 2 network code is an
improvement over Quake's, and the weapons are lag friendly now.

-- 
Slipgate - AKA Ismail Saeed
mailto:isa...@erols.com
The Fault Line - Quake 2 news: http://www.quakemania.com/faultline/
Includes Quake 2 FAQ.

In article <33ABFE8D...@concentric.net>, doom...@concentric.net wrote:
>Gash wrote:
>
>> If you want my advice, get a faster modem, obviously what you have can't
>> be faster than a 4800....
>
>    C'mon now, I know you can't be that stupid.  I have a 28.8 and have
>never once had a modem to modem game without problems.  That's why
>I don't play quake.  The ONLY reason I don't play quake!  Doom2 is
>still, for my money, the funnest game out.  I've only reinstalled quake
>last
>night because I thought by some off chance I may have better luck this
>time.  No dice....

Then why in the hell do you read the Quake newsgroups?

If you think Doom2 is the funnest game out, you missed the boat.

Thanks again Ismail....your always a pleasure to correspond with. Its
people like us that make modifying and learning from quake an enjoyable and
less confusing journey. Keep up the great research and I will too.

Hope to meet you on a server soon.

Yuri Green A.K.A.------>PhiberOptik
yg...@heald.edu

Ismail Saeed <isa...@erols.com> wrote in article
<33AF3417...@erols.com>...
> This is so funny, I am the one who made the zip file that Persecutor
> attached to this message.  It's interesting how that zip I made so long
> ago still gets some attention.
> 
> Anyways, Quake 1.09 is out guys!  Also, the Quake 2 network code is an
> improvement over Quake's, and the weapons are lag friendly now.
> 
> -- 
> Slipgate - AKA Ismail Saeed
> mailto:isa...@erols.com
> The Fault Line - Quake 2 news: http://www.quakemania.com/faultline/
> Includes Quake 2 FAQ.
> 

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Adam Williamson wrote:

> In article <01bc7b99$5af74ae0$5cd2b4cf@qb-pers>, Lorne Torres
> <pe...@ix.netcom.com> writes
> >I've read numerous messages lately on here, and none that I've read
> have
> >had any concerns with modem issues for the second Quake game. Playing
> Quake
> >on the net is a fun experience, but what about those one on one
> games? That
> >is where the real skill is. I'd like to see id fix the modem code so
> that
> >both players experience the same or NO lag at all... why can Duke3d,
> >Descent 2, Warcraft 2 and a host of other games play with no
> noticeable lag
> >and Quake cannot?
> >
> Because Quake uses a different technique - client/server. It makes for
>
> much smoother internet play but much worse modem play. You pays yer
> money, you takes yer choice :).
> --
> Adam Williamson
> Real Mail: ad...@scss.demon.co.uk
> 88.3% of statistics are made up on the spot.

I just don't understand _WHY_ id decided to ignore modem support! They
already have the code! If Quake 2 is anything like quake 1 then single
player mode is just a loopback server. Why can't they do that on modem?
I.E.

Single player:

  Server
\ | /      / |\
  Client

Multiplayer:

  Server <-     -      - <modem>    -    -    -    ->Client
\ | /      / |\
  Client

The code is laready there!
Of course i am just an ignorant peon and i'm sure there are THOUSANDS of
reasons why id is not doing that. I just would like to know what they
are.

--
- Nathan Hoobler:
Software Engineer
QuakeC Expert
(http://www.geocities.com/~distopia/ming)

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In article <33B6BC9B...@aol.com>, Nathan Hoobler
<NHoo...@aol.com> writes
>I just don't understand _WHY_ id decided to ignore modem support! They
>already have the code! If Quake 2 is anything like quake 1 then single
>player mode is just a loopback server. Why can't they do that on modem?
>I.E.
>
>Single player:
>
>  Server
>\ | /      / |\
>  Client
>
>Multiplayer:
>
>  Server <-     -      - <modem>    -    -    -    ->Client
>\ | /      / |\
>  Client
>
>The code is laready there!
>Of course i am just an ignorant peon and i'm sure there are THOUSANDS of
>reasons why id is not doing that. I just would like to know what they
>are.
>

but you can do what i think your diagram shows. why would id spend time
on developing something that is achieved already by whatever flavour of
remote access and dial up networking you use.

-- 
kj

On Sun, 29 Jun 1997 15:50:52 -0400, Nathan Hoobler <NHoo...@aol.com>
wrote:

>I just don't understand _WHY_ id decided to ignore modem support! They
>already have the code! If Quake 2 is anything like quake 1 then single
>player mode is just a loopback server. Why can't they do that on modem?
>I.E.
>
>Single player:
>
>  Server
>\ | /      / |\
>  Client
>
>Multiplayer:
>
>  Server <-     -      - <modem>    -    -    -    ->Client
>\ | /      / |\
>  Client
>
>The code is laready there!
>Of course i am just an ignorant peon and i'm sure there are THOUSANDS of
>reasons why id is not doing that. I just would like to know what they
>are.
>
Yeah, there is :). That's how modem to modem works in Quake. However,
that's also why modem to modem is shite in Quake - 100+ms lag for the
client, no lag for the server. Check Brian Hook's latest .plan - he
basically says exactly what I said, but he has a hell of a lot more
authority :)
--
Adam Williamson
Real Mail: adam "at" scss.demon.co.uk
88.3% of statistics are made up on the spot.

Adam Williamson <ad...@spamfree.org> wrote:
>Yeah, there is :). That's how modem to modem works in Quake. However,
>that's also why modem to modem is shite in Quake - 100+ms lag for the
>client, no lag for the server. Check Brian Hook's latest .plan - he
>basically says exactly what I said, but he has a hell of a lot more
>authority :)

They could fix the lag problem by introducing an artificial 100 ms lag
for the player playing on the server.

--Tim Smith

Tim Smith wrote:
> 
> Adam Williamson <ad...@spamfree.org> wrote:
> >Yeah, there is :). That's how modem to modem works in Quake. However,
> >that's also why modem to modem is shite in Quake - 100+ms lag for the
> >client, no lag for the server. Check Brian Hook's latest .plan - he
> >basically says exactly what I said, but he has a hell of a lot more
> >authority :)
> 
> They could fix the lag problem by introducing an artificial 100 ms lag
> for the player playing on the server.
> 
> --Tim Smith

People have asked about things like that..... and it adds too much
overhead or something

-- 
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mailto:isa...@erols.com
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Tim Smith (t...@halcyon.com) wrote:
> Adam Williamson <ad...@spamfree.org> wrote:
> >Yeah, there is :). That's how modem to modem works in Quake. However,
> >that's also why modem to modem is shite in Quake - 100+ms lag for the
> >client, no lag for the server. Check Brian Hook's latest .plan - he
> >basically says exactly what I said, but he has a hell of a lot more
> >authority :)

> They could fix the lag problem by introducing an artificial 100 ms lag
> for the player playing on the server.

> --Tim Smith

Good idea Tim.  Now if we can let Brian Hook know about it...

--
Christian Friis
Comp. Sci. III - Software
Carleton University

I've never met Brian Hook, but he seems like a loud mouth asshole.
That is, at least, my perception of him through his writing. I dunno,
but he just seems to rub me the wrong way all the time with his cutsy
cutdowns and insults. What exactly does Hook do? (Besides piss people
like madness.unreal.org off.)

>Yeah, there is :). That's how modem to modem works in Quake. However,
>that's also why modem to modem is shite in Quake - 100+ms lag for the
>client, no lag for the server. Check Brian Hook's latest .plan - he
>basically says exactly what I said, but he has a hell of a lot more
>authority :)
>--
>Adam Williamson
>Real Mail: adam "at" scss.demon.co.uk
>88.3% of statistics are made up on the spot.

Ismail Saeed  <isa...@erols.com> wrote:
>> They could fix the lag problem by introducing an artificial 100 ms lag
>> for the player playing on the server.
...
>People have asked about things like that..... and it adds too much
>overhead or something

I recall people asking about this sort of thing for internet play, but the
main problem seemed to be preventing cheating--someone could artificially
lag themselves so as to get the server to artifically lag the other players,
and then strategically have their own lag happen to go away at critical
moments.  Also, there is a lot of variability in internet play, and so it's
not clear how effective it would be even if there was no cheating problem.

Two player modem games should be different.  First, the lag should be much
more consistent, and so it should be relatively easy to figure out how lag
to apply on the server.  Second, cheating is much easier to avoid (don't
play with people you don't trust) and detect.

It's possible the code is organized in such a way that there is no good
way to delay an internal packet for 100 ms.  Assuming the server and local
client are not in different threads, adding 100 ms of lag to the local
client might add 100 ms to the remote client, too, which would not help
much (it would help a little, 200 ms vs. 100 ms is better than 100 ms vs. 0
ms).

--Tim Smith

D...@INHELL.COM (Dr.Killgood) wrote:

>I've never met Brian Hook, but he seems like a loud mouth asshole.
>That is, at least, my perception of him through his writing. I dunno,
>but he just seems to rub me the wrong way all the time with his cutsy
>cutdowns and insults. What exactly does Hook do? (Besides piss people
>like madness.unreal.org off.)

I trhink tyhe thing is that he isn't used to all these bitching,
whining lamers, when really he could release a shit game, they'd lap
it up and then bitch some more cos it was crap. id cnanoty win, the
way I see it - there is always some arrogant wank who has to have his
say! (Yes, I'm depressed and un a bad mood :)
Just because id has one of the closest to the public pr systems
doesn't mean that you can bombard them with you shitty little
petitions. FFS, if ytou're that desperate for modem play then use
win95's dial up networking - it's not as if it's going to work in dos
anyway, is it?
Is iut that big a deal that you have to go through some point and
click interfazce?
Personally i'd never play modem cos it's crap. Play on  an internet
server where you're both at a disadvantage, it's much fairer!
Just cos you can't be arsed to do something that'll take all of 5
minutes, you're trying to force id to do something that'll take a
month or two, as well as having 2 completely different protocols to
work with in one game, completely difgferewnt fucking engine, FFS!
You really are a bunch of ungreatful sods, you know.. you take it for
granted..



hehe.. i've just seen the groups this is posted for and I can imagine
the amount of trash email I'll get from this *sigh* :)

I've offended so many poeple today already.. I don't mean to seem
arrogant or anything, but it really needed saying. I find that most
regulars on these groups are relitivly pleasant, having been on and
off for the past year or two, but there is a small minority that are
extremely arrogant.

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 Dr.Killgood wrote in article <33bc6267...@news.the-link.net>...
>I've never met Brian Hook, but he seems like a loud mouth asshole.
>That is, at least, my perception of him through his writing. I dunno,
>but he just seems to rub me the wrong way all the time with his cutsy
>cutdowns and insults. What exactly does Hook do? (Besides piss people
>like madness.unreal.org off.)
Hook is handling the OpenGL Drivers for Q2 (Among Other things), He also
wrote Glide for 3DFX..........

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 Dr.Killgood wrote in article <33bc6267...@news.the-link.net>...
>I've never met Brian Hook, but he seems like a loud mouth asshole.
>That is, at least, my perception of him through his writing. I dunno,
>but he just seems to rub me the wrong way all the time with his cutsy
>cutdowns and insults. What exactly does Hook do? (Besides piss people
>like madness.unreal.org off.)
Hook is handling the OpenGL Drivers for Q2 (Among Other things), He also
wrote Glide for 3DFX..........

-_-_-_
James Boswell | Ja...@Hillbanks.demon.co.uk	
WWW: http://www.hillbanks.demon.co.uk/
ICQ: 1653327 | Wing Commander-Quake TC team head coder
"Yeah, but can you get one with 16 megs and a Blaupunkt? :)" - William
Lowe

On Fri, 04 Jul 1997 02:43:06 GMT, D...@INHELL.COM (Dr.Killgood) wrote:

>I've never met Brian Hook, but he seems like a loud mouth asshole.
>That is, at least, my perception of him through his writing. I dunno,
>but he just seems to rub me the wrong way all the time with his cutsy
>cutdowns and insults. What exactly does Hook do? (Besides piss people
>like madness.unreal.org off.)
>
Erm, what exactly do you mean? Up until now almost everything he's
written has been very technical.
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D...@INHELL.COM (Dr.Killgood) wrote:

>I've never met Brian Hook, but he seems like a loud mouth asshole.
>That is, at least, my perception of him through his writing. I dunno,
>but he just seems to rub me the wrong way all the time with his cutsy
>cutdowns and insults. 

I think he just get's pissed becuase there's a lot of assholes out
"there" attacking him and id because they are not doing exactly what
said assholes want.

I think that most poeple would get frustrated in a situation like
that.

>What exactly does Hook do? 

3d hardware responsible. (He's the guy testing all 3d hardware to see
if it is compatible with Quake2, you can learn a lot from his
.fingers.) He's also a programmer there, but I don't think he's gotten
quite setup as that yet.

He's also the guy that wrote the much praised Glide API. (For 3dfx
voodoo.)

>(Besides piss people like madness.unreal.org off.)

Oh you mean persons publically attacking other people without having a
fucking clue?

IMHO madness... had it coming.

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