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Ah, I think I may have found it.

"A Hall Displays Secret Snapshots In Boss's House / Brandon James & John 
Carmack."

Which apparently refers to the secret hallway under the final boss' 
arena that shows various stuff about iD programmers and stuff. I can't 
wait to see it :D

-- 
Cory "Shinnokxz" Hansen - http://www.coryhansen.com
Life is journey, not a destination. So stop running.

"Shinnokxz" <shinnokxz@charter.net> wrote in message 
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> Ah, I think I may have found it.
>
> "A Hall Displays Secret Snapshots In Boss's House / Brandon James & John 
> Carmack."
>
> Which apparently refers to the secret hallway under the final boss' arena 
> that shows various stuff about iD programmers and stuff. I can't wait to 
> see it :D
>
> -- 
> Cory "Shinnokxz" Hansen - http://www.coryhansen.com
> Life is journey, not a destination. So stop running.

That's one story. Another is that it means: "American Hasn't Done Shit Since 
I've Been Here", presumably a reference to American McGee who worked there 
at the time.

-- 
Cycho{HHR}
http://home.rochester.rr.com/cyhome/ 

Cy Edmunds <cedmunds@spamless.rochester.rr.com> typed as if devouring a
plate of spoo:
> "Shinnokxz" <shinnokxz@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:xHSGe.5275$c63.699@fe05.lga...
>> Ah, I think I may have found it.
>>
>> "A Hall Displays Secret Snapshots In Boss's House / Brandon James &
>> John Carmack."
>>
>> Which apparently refers to the secret hallway under the final boss'
>> arena that shows various stuff about iD programmers and stuff. I
>> can't wait to see it :D
>>
>> --
>> Cory "Shinnokxz" Hansen - http://www.coryhansen.com
>> Life is journey, not a destination. So stop running.
>
> That's one story. Another is that it means: "American Hasn't Done
> Shit Since I've Been Here", presumably a reference to American McGee
> who worked there at the time.

And oddly enough, it wasn't too long afterwards that he didn't work there 
any more... LOL 

"EvilBill" <quake2livesGETLOSTSPAMMERS@gmail.com> wrote in message 
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> Cy Edmunds <cedmunds@spamless.rochester.rr.com> typed as if devouring a
> plate of spoo:
>> "Shinnokxz" <shinnokxz@charter.net> wrote in message
>> news:xHSGe.5275$c63.699@fe05.lga...
>>> Ah, I think I may have found it.
>>>
>>> "A Hall Displays Secret Snapshots In Boss's House / Brandon James &
>>> John Carmack."
>>>
>>> Which apparently refers to the secret hallway under the final boss'
>>> arena that shows various stuff about iD programmers and stuff. I
>>> can't wait to see it :D
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cory "Shinnokxz" Hansen - http://www.coryhansen.com
>>> Life is journey, not a destination. So stop running.
>>
>> That's one story. Another is that it means: "American Hasn't Done
>> Shit Since I've Been Here", presumably a reference to American McGee
>> who worked there at the time.
>
> And oddly enough, it wasn't too long afterwards that he didn't work there 
> any more... LOL
>

   He did do one great thing - created the DM map that all railers hated and 
most 56kers loved:  Tokay's Towers.  That level was a great ping equalizier. 
There wan't anywhere in the map you could be where there wasn't a nearby way 
to either jump off a platform or jump on an elevator to get away from an 
HPB.  Ahhh.......the good old days of 300 ping, and getting stuck on door 
moldings and slanted walls.......and not knowing how to change my crosshair.


Bob 

On Mon, 1 Aug 2005 21:40:12 -0400, "rjdriver" <rjdrivers@cox.net> wrote:

>
>"McGrandpa" <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote in message 
>news:IUwHe.92814$X76.12690@tornado.texas.rr.com...

>> But ya knew how to hook, right?  ;)
>> McG.
>>
>
>   The hook was an interesting toy, bit I never adopted it for DM play. 
>Call me a purist, but I always though it completely negated the mapper's 
>intentions.  Why bother with stairs, ramps, ladders, elevators - the hook 
>made them all superfluous.  It was fun - but......

Not if the hook is done properly (although maps may need consideration).

The way to do it is to make it an actual weapon that requires switching
(thus, you can't fire while hooking), and to make it a slow movement.  QTF
has the right feel for the hook - it's just right.

>I'm probably going to get slammed for this, but that's how I viewed the 
>hook.

At least it's not the UT99 Translocator...

"rjdriver" <rjdrivers@cox.net> wrote in message
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> "EvilBill" <quake2livesGETLOSTSPAMMERS@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Cy Edmunds <cedmunds@spamless.rochester.rr.com> typed as if
>> devouring a plate of spoo:
>>> "Shinnokxz" <shinnokxz@charter.net> wrote in message
>>> news:xHSGe.5275$c63.699@fe05.lga...
>>>> Ah, I think I may have found it.
>>>>
>>>> "A Hall Displays Secret Snapshots In Boss's House / Brandon James &
>>>> John Carmack."
>>>>
>>>> Which apparently refers to the secret hallway under the final boss'
>>>> arena that shows various stuff about iD programmers and stuff. I
>>>> can't wait to see it :D
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Cory "Shinnokxz" Hansen - http://www.coryhansen.com
>>>> Life is journey, not a destination. So stop running.
>>>
>>> That's one story. Another is that it means: "American Hasn't Done
>>> Shit Since I've Been Here", presumably a reference to American McGee
>>> who worked there at the time.
>>
>> And oddly enough, it wasn't too long afterwards that he didn't work
>> there any more... LOL
>>
>
>   He did do one great thing - created the DM map that all railers
> hated and most 56kers loved:  Tokay's Towers.  That level was a great
> ping equalizier. There wan't anywhere in the map you could be where
> there wasn't a nearby way to either jump off a platform or jump on an
> elevator to get away from an HPB.  Ahhh.......the good old days of
> 300 ping, and getting stuck on door moldings and slanted
> walls.......and not knowing how to change my crosshair.
>
> Bob

But ya knew how to hook, right?  ;)
McG. 

"EvilBill" <quake2livesGETLOSTSPAMMERS@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Cy Edmunds <cedmunds@spamless.rochester.rr.com> typed as if devouring
> a plate of spoo:
>> "Shinnokxz" <shinnokxz@charter.net> wrote in message
>> news:xHSGe.5275$c63.699@fe05.lga...
>>> Ah, I think I may have found it.
>>>
>>> "A Hall Displays Secret Snapshots In Boss's House / Brandon James &
>>> John Carmack."
>>>
>>> Which apparently refers to the secret hallway under the final boss'
>>> arena that shows various stuff about iD programmers and stuff. I
>>> can't wait to see it :D
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cory "Shinnokxz" Hansen - http://www.coryhansen.com
>>> Life is journey, not a destination. So stop running.
>>
>> That's one story. Another is that it means: "American Hasn't Done
>> Shit Since I've Been Here", presumably a reference to American McGee
>> who worked there at the time.
>
> And oddly enough, it wasn't too long afterwards that he didn't work
> there any more... LOL

Hmm.  Hadn't heard that particular one before.  I've recently started a 
fresh replay of both Quake and Quake2, will look for that stuff :)
McG. 

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>> "EvilBill" <quake2livesGETLOSTSPAMMERS@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>> Cy Edmunds <cedmunds@spamless.rochester.rr.com> typed as if
>>> devouring a plate of spoo:
>>>> "Shinnokxz" <shinnokxz@charter.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:xHSGe.5275$c63.699@fe05.lga...
>>>>> Ah, I think I may have found it.
>>>>>
>>>>> "A Hall Displays Secret Snapshots In Boss's House / Brandon James &
>>>>> John Carmack."
>>>>>
>>>>> Which apparently refers to the secret hallway under the final boss'
>>>>> arena that shows various stuff about iD programmers and stuff. I
>>>>> can't wait to see it :D
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Cory "Shinnokxz" Hansen - http://www.coryhansen.com
>>>>> Life is journey, not a destination. So stop running.
>>>>
>>>> That's one story. Another is that it means: "American Hasn't Done
>>>> Shit Since I've Been Here", presumably a reference to American McGee
>>>> who worked there at the time.
>>>
>>> And oddly enough, it wasn't too long afterwards that he didn't work
>>> there any more... LOL
>>>
>>
>>   He did do one great thing - created the DM map that all railers
>> hated and most 56kers loved:  Tokay's Towers.  That level was a great
>> ping equalizier. There wan't anywhere in the map you could be where
>> there wasn't a nearby way to either jump off a platform or jump on an
>> elevator to get away from an HPB.  Ahhh.......the good old days of
>> 300 ping, and getting stuck on door moldings and slanted
>> walls.......and not knowing how to change my crosshair.
>>
>> Bob
>
> But ya knew how to hook, right?  ;)
> McG.
>

   The hook was an interesting toy, bit I never adopted it for DM play. 
Call me a purist, but I always though it completely negated the mapper's 
intentions.  Why bother with stairs, ramps, ladders, elevators - the hook 
made them all superfluous.  It was fun - but......

I'm probably going to get slammed for this, but that's how I viewed the 
hook.

Bob 

"rjdriver" <rjdrivers@cox.net> wrote in message
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> "McGrandpa" <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> "rjdriver" <rjdrivers@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:Cz8He.54314$rb6.31@lakeread07
>>> "EvilBill" <quake2livesGETLOSTSPAMMERS@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>> Cy Edmunds <cedmunds@spamless.rochester.rr.com> typed as if
>>>> devouring a plate of spoo:
>>>>> "Shinnokxz" <shinnokxz@charter.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:xHSGe.5275$c63.699@fe05.lga...
>>>>>> Ah, I think I may have found it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "A Hall Displays Secret Snapshots In Boss's House / Brandon
>>>>>> James & John Carmack."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which apparently refers to the secret hallway under the final
>>>>>> boss' arena that shows various stuff about iD programmers and
>>>>>> stuff. I can't wait to see it :D
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Cory "Shinnokxz" Hansen - http://www.coryhansen.com
>>>>>> Life is journey, not a destination. So stop running.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's one story. Another is that it means: "American Hasn't Done
>>>>> Shit Since I've Been Here", presumably a reference to American
>>>>> McGee who worked there at the time.
>>>>
>>>> And oddly enough, it wasn't too long afterwards that he didn't work
>>>> there any more... LOL
>>>>
>>>
>>>   He did do one great thing - created the DM map that all railers
>>> hated and most 56kers loved:  Tokay's Towers.  That level was a
>>> great ping equalizier. There wan't anywhere in the map you could be
>>> where there wasn't a nearby way to either jump off a platform or
>>> jump on an elevator to get away from an HPB.  Ahhh.......the good
>>> old days of 300 ping, and getting stuck on door moldings and slanted
>>> walls.......and not knowing how to change my crosshair.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>
>> But ya knew how to hook, right?  ;)
>> McG.
>>
>
>   The hook was an interesting toy, bit I never adopted it for DM play.
> Call me a purist, but I always though it completely negated the
> mapper's intentions.  Why bother with stairs, ramps, ladders,
> elevators - the hook made them all superfluous.  It was fun -
> but......
> I'm probably going to get slammed for this, but that's how I viewed
> the hook.
>
> Bob

It was a neat toy, and useful.  I started using it with Quake CTF.  It 
was use it or get fragged faster.  It was fun.  There are maps where 
it's pretty obvious that using the hook was intended.  In both Quake and 
Quake2.  Even some of id's own maps were designed with the hook in mind 
:)  There are a few things you simply can't get to without it.   It was 
just another tool, that's all.
McG. 

"rjdriver" <rjdrivers@cox.net> wrote in message 
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>
>   The hook was an interesting toy, bit I never adopted it for DM play. 
> Call me a purist, but I always though it completely negated the mapper's 
> intentions.  Why bother with stairs, ramps, ladders, elevators - the hook 
> made them all superfluous.  It was fun - but......
>
> I'm probably going to get slammed for this, but that's how I viewed the 
> hook.
>
> Bob
>

consider yourself slammed ;op

jk

but as McGrandpa pointed out, a lot of maps were designed with the grapple 
in mind, especially ctf which is what I always played.  I never really went 
in for the deathmatch games, I liked working with a team in ctf.   Remember, 
the grapple was not some thirdparty mod but was actually a part of the game 
that is just activated or deactivated by the server. So imho, it is a little 
innaccurate to say "the designers didn't intend for it to be used".

just my 2ó



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"Margolis" <someone@somewhere.org> wrote in message 
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> "rjdriver" <rjdrivers@cox.net> wrote in message 
> news:c9AHe.54612$rb6.26958@lakeread07...
>>
>>   The hook was an interesting toy, bit I never adopted it for DM play. 
>> Call me a purist, but I always though it completely negated the mapper's 
>> intentions.  Why bother with stairs, ramps, ladders, elevators - the hook 
>> made them all superfluous.  It was fun - but......
>>
>> I'm probably going to get slammed for this, but that's how I viewed the 
>> hook.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>
> consider yourself slammed ;op

I knew it was coming.  Had my armor up :-)


>
> jk
>
> but as McGrandpa pointed out, a lot of maps were designed with the grapple 
> in mind, especially ctf which is what I always played.  I never really 
> went in for the deathmatch games, I liked working with a team in ctf. 
> Remember, the grapple was not some thirdparty mod but was actually a part 
> of the game that is just activated or deactivated by the server. So imho, 
> it is a little innaccurate to say "the designers didn't intend for it to 
> be used".
>
> just my 2ó
>
>
>
> -- 
>
> Margolis
> http://web.archive.org/web/20030215212142/http://www.agqx.org/faqs/AGQ2FAQ.htm
> http://www.unrealtower.org/faq
>
>
>
> 

"Margolis" <someone@somewhere.org> wrote in message
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> "rjdriver" <rjdrivers@cox.net> wrote in message
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>>
>>   The hook was an interesting toy, bit I never adopted it for DM
>> play. Call me a purist, but I always though it completely negated
>> the mapper's intentions.  Why bother with stairs, ramps, ladders,
>> elevators - the hook made them all superfluous.  It was fun -
>> but...... I'm probably going to get slammed for this, but that's how 
>> I viewed
>> the hook.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>
> consider yourself slammed ;op
>
> jk
>
> but as McGrandpa pointed out, a lot of maps were designed with the
> grapple in mind, especially ctf which is what I always played.  I
> never really went in for the deathmatch games, I liked working with a
> team in ctf.   Remember, the grapple was not some thirdparty mod but
> was actually a part of the game that is just activated or deactivated
> by the server. So imho, it is a little innaccurate to say "the
> designers didn't intend for it to be used".
> just my 2ó

Quake 2, in the first four CTF maps Id released, you could not get to 
some of the powerups without the hook.  In most of the maps, there were 
cubbyholes, powerups, overhead spaces that were put in with the hook in 
mind.  DM only players really do seem to consider theirselves the 
'purists'.  But Quake and Quake2 DM is not my game.  CTF is.
McG. 

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> "Margolis" <someone@somewhere.org> wrote in message
> news:kYMHe.601$c45.9@fe05.lga...
>> "rjdriver" <rjdrivers@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:c9AHe.54612$rb6.26958@lakeread07...
>>>
>>>   The hook was an interesting toy, bit I never adopted it for DM
>>> play. Call me a purist, but I always though it completely negated
>>> the mapper's intentions.  Why bother with stairs, ramps, ladders,
>>> elevators - the hook made them all superfluous.  It was fun -
>>> but...... I'm probably going to get slammed for this, but that's how 
>>> I viewed
>>> the hook.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>
>> consider yourself slammed ;op
>
> I knew it was coming.  Had my armor up :-)
>
>
>>
>> jk
>>
>> but as McGrandpa pointed out, a lot of maps were designed with the
>> grapple in mind, especially ctf which is what I always played.  I
>> never really went in for the deathmatch games, I liked working with
>> a team in ctf. Remember, the grapple was not some thirdparty mod but
>> was actually a part of the game that is just activated or
>> deactivated by the server. So imho, it is a little innaccurate to
>> say "the designers didn't intend for it to be used".
>>
>> just my 2ó
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Margolis
>> http://web.archive.org/web/20030215212142/http://www.agqx.org/faqs/AGQ2FAQ.htm
>> http://www.unrealtower.org/faq

Hah!  Hey, id created several game types for a good reason.  Everybody 
is different!
McG. 

"rjdriver" <rjdrivers@cox.net> wrote in message 
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>
>   The hook was an interesting toy, bit I never adopted it for DM play. 
> Call me a purist, but I always though it completely negated the mapper's 
> intentions.  Why bother with stairs, ramps, ladders, elevators - the hook 
> made them all superfluous.  It was fun - but......
>
> I'm probably going to get slammed for this, but that's how I viewed the 
> hook.

Yeah, I totally agree. The grappling hook really shouldn't be used in any 
map not designed for it, and virtually all DM maps are not designed for it. 
Otherwise, most of the map design goes out the window. It turns it into a 
totally different game, one that's amusing for a while, but ultimately, I 
think, less interesting than without it.

Zoid added it from the beginning in Threewave CTF for Quake, for whatever 
reason, and then it became pretty much standard in all CTF implementations 
since then. So every CTF map ever made has been designed with the hook in 
mind, and that's just how CTF is.

"Matthew Vaughan" <matt-no-spam-109@NOSPAM.hotmail.com> wrote in
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> "rjdriver" <rjdrivers@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:c9AHe.54612$rb6.26958@lakeread07...
>>
>>   The hook was an interesting toy, bit I never adopted it for DM
>> play. Call me a purist, but I always though it completely negated
>> the mapper's intentions.  Why bother with stairs, ramps, ladders,
>> elevators - the hook made them all superfluous.  It was fun -
>> but...... I'm probably going to get slammed for this, but that's how 
>> I viewed
>> the hook.
>
> Yeah, I totally agree. The grappling hook really shouldn't be used in
> any map not designed for it, and virtually all DM maps are not
> designed for it. Otherwise, most of the map design goes out the
> window. It turns it into a totally different game, one that's amusing
> for a while, but ultimately, I think, less interesting than without
> it.
> Zoid added it from the beginning in Threewave CTF for Quake, for
> whatever reason, and then it became pretty much standard in all CTF
> implementations since then. So every CTF map ever made has been
> designed with the hook in mind, and that's just how CTF is.

That's an interesting point, one I'd never considered.  I've played 
mostly CTF with all the quakes, but also have played quite a few FFA 
maps/servers.  The action on the FFA maps is usually too fast n furious 
to even think about a hook :)  Never thought to use it in DM. 

I have never used it.

>  It was fun.  There are maps where it's pretty obvious that using the hook 
> was intended.  In both Quake and Quake2.  Even some of id's own maps were 
> designed with the hook in mind

Such as? I am curious now as I have played Quake, all maps and Quake 2 (all 
original maps still got add on packs to go)

SH 

> Quake 2, in the first four CTF maps Id released, you could not get to some 
> of the powerups without the hook.

Are you sure that was in their minds?
I would have thought that ID would have had rocket jumps as the means which 
have there origin in Doom/Doom2.

SH 

> Hmm.  Hadn't heard that particular one before.  I've recently started a 
> fresh replay of both Quake and Quake2, will look for that stuff :)

Hrrrmmm  - finished Quake on Nightmare mode recently including Scourge of 
Armagon and Dissolution of Eternity. Quite doable unlike Doom.

It was also the first time that I realised how the ammo box in E4M5 (counts 
as a secret) on one of the supports it supposed to be obtained. For several 
years I thought you were supposed to jump from where the Death Knight is 
along roof hangers, cursing my lack of skill. But it is impossible. Instead 
you jump up on the angle firelight and jump again onto ammo box. Easy!!!

SH

"Stephen Howe" <sjhoweATdialDOTpipexDOTcom> wrote in message 
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>I have never used it.
>
>>  It was fun.  There are maps where it's pretty obvious that using the 
>> hook was intended.  In both Quake and Quake2.  Even some of id's own maps 
>> were designed with the hook in mind
>
> Such as? I am curious now as I have played Quake, all maps and Quake 2 
> (all original maps still got add on packs to go)
>
> SH
>
Of course.  :)

One of the first 4 iD maps for CTF has a place that can only be reached 
using the hook.  The Quad Damage was there.
McG. 

"Stephen Howe" <sjhoweATdialDOTpipexDOTcom> wrote in message 
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>> Quake 2, in the first four CTF maps Id released, you could not get to 
>> some of the powerups without the hook.
>
> Are you sure that was in their minds?
> I would have thought that ID would have had rocket jumps as the means 
> which have there origin in Doom/Doom2.
>
> SH
>
Nope, I remember the ones he's talking about.   The Quad Damage is up in a 
place you could get to with the hook, nothing else, in one of the Q2 CTF 
maps.
McG. 

"Stephen Howe" <sjhoweATdialDOTpipexDOTcom> wrote in message 
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>I have never used it.
>
>>  It was fun.  There are maps where it's pretty obvious that using the 
>> hook was intended.  In both Quake and Quake2.  Even some of id's own maps 
>> were designed with the hook in mind
>
> Such as? I am curious now as I have played Quake, all maps and Quake 2 
> (all original maps still got add on packs to go)
>
> SH
>


but did you play ctf?  that is where the grapple was intended

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>
> "Stephen Howe" <sjhoweATdialDOTpipexDOTcom> wrote in message 
> news:434c823c$0$17367$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com...
>>> Quake 2, in the first four CTF maps Id released, you could not get to 
>>> some of the powerups without the hook.
>>
>> Are you sure that was in their minds?
>> I would have thought that ID would have had rocket jumps as the means 
>> which have there origin in Doom/Doom2.
>>
>> SH
>>
> Nope, I remember the ones he's talking about.   The Quad Damage is up in a 
> place you could get to with the hook, nothing else, in one of the Q2 CTF 
> maps.
> McG.

Well, yes, in CTF. Wasn't the hook included with CTF? It was in all but the 
earliest versions for Quake (that is, I don't think it was in the version 
where there were no CTF maps and no graphics/objects for the flags, but it 
always was after that), and I think it was from the beginning in Q2, wasn't 
it? 

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>
> Well, yes, in CTF. Wasn't the hook included with CTF? It was in all but 
> the earliest versions for Quake (that is, I don't think it was in the 
> version where there were no CTF maps and no graphics/objects for the 
> flags, but it always was after that), and I think it was from the 
> beginning in Q2, wasn't it?
>


Yes, it was a standard feature in ctf.

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