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Brian, thanks for that transcript. Interesting.

Since people seem to be very worried about this hammer thing, I had a 
thought I figured I would mention.

It seems that Quake is being designed to be _more_ extensible than Doom 
is... in other words, if you want a shotgun, you make a shotgun for it. 
If you want a chicken launcher, you make that too... I obviously have no 
idea how that might affect multiplayer games (as with Doom the ganes have 
to be the same, save certain graphics), but I do not think it would be 
unreasonable for ID to work that sort of thing in. One thing they 
apparently plan to do is to release the server software free to all 
comers; so it seems we (people into this stuff) will be able to set it up 
however we want to!

David

In <3hgdnm$1...@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu> 
dhol...@sunlab.cit.cornell.edu (David Hollman) writes: 

>
>Brian, thanks for that transcript. Interesting.
>
>Since people seem to be very worried about this hammer thing, I had a 
>thought I figured I would mention.
>
>It seems that Quake is being designed to be _more_ extensible than Doom 
>is... in other words, if you want a shotgun, you make a shotgun for it. 
>If you want a chicken launcher, you make that too... I obviously have 
no 
>idea how that might affect multiplayer games (as with Doom the ganes 
have 
>to be the same, save certain graphics), but I do not think it would be 
>unreasonable for ID to work that sort of thing in. One thing they 
>apparently plan to do is to release the server software free to all 
>comers; so it seems we (people into this stuff) will be able to set it 
up 
>however we want to!
>
>David
>
>

>From what I gather, all the information for gameplay is gathered from 
the server.  If the server sysop wants a chicken launcher, so be it- but 
an individual can't make one and not let anybody else have it.
Scott Cutler SCu...@ix.netcom.com

: From what I gather, all the information for gameplay is gathered from 
: the server.  If the server sysop wants a chicken launcher, so be it- but 
: an individual can't make one and not let anybody else have it.
: Scott Cutler SCu...@ix.netcom.com

Right, that is exactly what I meant. Since it seems anyone with a 
net.link will be able to serve, there will be no limit to the 
modifications one can make.

David

I think that a fantastic way to handle Quake's programmability would be to make
it an option to have differences between individuals.  Allow me to elaborate.

In Doom et al, all players must share the same WAD and PWADS.  They must also
play with the same version of Doom etc.  So essentially, all players end up
playing with exactly the same weapons.

What would be interesting is if this continuity did not have to exist.  Quake
would be an excellent platform for this since it is to be so modifiable.  Each
player could (if they so choose) program their own weapons.  Naturally there
are limits.  Id could try to ensure that every bonus that a weapon had (range,
damage, speed) had a drawback (speed, range, damage).  That would help to keep
things somewhat even.

Realistically though, this would be too hard to moderate.  I'll be happy if we
will be able to program AI with enough freedom that we can challenge our
programming skills and our minds the ultimate test of which would be to pit
our brainchildren (from hell) against a human opponent. 

This would open up a whole new dimension of competition.  Several players could
be given the same level design as well as guidelines as to the number of
creatures to be contained in that level.  It would then be up to the players
to program the creatures in terms of their behavior and positioning.  The
resulting populated levels could then be playtested by  each of the other players
to see who has succeeded in making the most intelligent players.

Rob Vanden Heuvel

Another thing I would like to see is when you play Deathmatch and you 
look at a player you can see the weapon they are carring in hand.  Also 
player should be defferent in type and sex.  Why should only MEN get 
wacked. Let let the women get a chance to get wacked too.

Kevin Bagnall (umba...@cc.umanitoba.ca) wrote:
: >: From what I gather, all the information for gameplay is gathered from 
: >: the server.  If the server sysop wants a chicken launcher, so be it- but 
: >: an individual can't make one and not let anybody else have it.

: What about playing modem-link? How are things made equal? I think Quake is 
: going to be one big complicated mess.

Keep in mind that all the ideas floating around here are mere 
suppositions; we have no idea how Quake will actually turn out. 
However, under the assumption that we are at least thinking along the 
right lines (and I am not sure we are, necessarily), probably the setup 
will have to work something like Doom, where all players agree on a set 
of WADs and DEHs, for example. I am sure it is doable.

David Hollman

In article <3hmdnm$q...@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> SCu...@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cutler) writes:
>From: SCu...@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cutler)
>Subject: Re: little tidbits of QUAKE info from Jay
>Date: 13 Feb 1995 01:47:34 GMT

>In <3hgdnm$1...@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu> 
>dhol...@sunlab.cit.cornell.edu (David Hollman) writes: 

>>
>>Brian, thanks for that transcript. Interesting.
>>
>>Since people seem to be very worried about this hammer thing, I had a 
>>thought I figured I would mention.
>>
>>It seems that Quake is being designed to be _more_ extensible than Doom 
>>is... in other words, if you want a shotgun, you make a shotgun for it. 
>>If you want a chicken launcher, you make that too... I obviously have 
>no 
>>idea how that might affect multiplayer games (as with Doom the ganes 
>have 
>>to be the same, save certain graphics), but I do not think it would be 
>>unreasonable for ID to work that sort of thing in. One thing they 
>>apparently plan to do is to release the server software free to all 
>>comers; so it seems we (people into this stuff) will be able to set it 
>up 
>>however we want to!
>>
>>David
>>
>>

>>From what I gather, all the information for gameplay is gathered from 
>the server.  If the server sysop wants a chicken launcher, so be it- but 
>an individual can't make one and not let anybody else have it.
>Scott Cutler SCu...@ix.netcom.com


Hmmmm...if they want a chicken launcher maybe they should just ask me :)

If id Rips my idea of a chicken launcher in Quake as well.....I'll be really 
pissed off......I'd  just like to thank iD for still claiming the chicken 
thing in Heretic was All there idea and had nothing to do with my original 
Doom Chicken launcher patch that was out many months before Heretic was even 
heard of........

Dave Biggs
------------------------------------------------------------
Authour of Chook DOOM and Soom to be HereChook Patches......
------------------------------------------------------------

Dave BIGGS - Dave (da...@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au) wrote:
: Hmmmm...if they want a chicken launcher maybe they should just ask me :)

: If id Rips my idea of a chicken launcher in Quake as well.....I'll be really 
: pissed off......I'd  just like to thank iD for still claiming the chicken 

Well, I was kind referring to your Chook patch(es). The way I see it, if 
you just keep coming out with bigger and better stuff, the more you can 
stick it to them. BTW, have you received any official word from ID 
declaring the Chicken theme to be their idea, or have they just not 
commented on it? --Just curious.

David Hollman

In <D3x53...@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> 
rjva...@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Rob Vanden Heuvel) writes: 

>
>I think that a fantastic way to handle Quake's programmability would be 
to make
>it an option to have differences between individuals.  Allow me to 
elaborate.
>
>In Doom et al, all players must share the same WAD and PWADS.  They 
must also
>play with the same version of Doom etc.  So essentially, all players 
end up
>playing with exactly the same weapons.
>
>What would be interesting is if this continuity did not have to exist. 
 Quake
>would be an excellent platform for this since it is to be so 
modifiable.  Each
>player could (if they so choose) program their own weapons.  Naturally 
there
>are limits.  Id could try to ensure that every bonus that a weapon had 
(range,
>damage, speed) had a drawback (speed, range, damage).  That would help 
to keep
>things somewhat even.
>
Sounds a little like another (totally different) game I have, Comet 
Busters.  You can control aspects like thrust, bullet speed, shield 
power, rotation ability, and max speed.  However, if you move one slider 
up, the rest go down.  It's a neat feature.
Scott CUtler SCu...@ix.netcom.com

In <umbagna0.3...@cc.umanitoba.ca> umba...@cc.umanitoba.ca 
(Kevin Bagnall) writes: 

>
>>: From what I gather, all the information for gameplay is gathered 
from 
>>: the server.  If the server sysop wants a chicken launcher, so be it- 
but 
>>: an individual can't make one and not let anybody else have it.
>
>What about playing modem-link? How are things made equal? I think Quake 
is 
>going to be one big complicated mess.
>
>Kevin Bagnall
>

I'm not sure about this, so somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but...
I think that each user is really a server in itself, with two levels, 
the communications and the game engine.  Each person could be a server, 
so in a two person modem game, one of the people would define the rules, 
just as one person in Doom picks the map, the skill level, etc.  
Scott Cutler SCu...@ix.netcom.com

PS You're right about a big mess, tho... but id will come to the rescue! 
:)

Kevin Bagnall (umba...@cc.umanitoba.ca) wrote:
: >: From what I gather, all the information for gameplay is gathered from 
: >: the server.  If the server sysop wants a chicken launcher, so be it- but 
: >: an individual can't make one and not let anybody else have it.

: What about playing modem-link? How are things made equal? I think Quake is 
: going to be one big complicated mess.

: Kevin Bagnall

Frankly, I'm worried that we are all going to be disappointed -- keep in mind
this is taking on a huge task, but only on 486...  Seems risky.

In <3hqr5o$o...@hawk.anselm.edu> mswi...@hawk.anselm.edu (Michael 
Swiderek) writes: 

>Frankly, I'm worried that we are all going to be disappointed -- keep 
in mind
>this is taking on a huge task, but only on 486...  Seems risky.

Agreed.  The things that are being discussed in this newsgroup are hopes 
and wishes -- but the stuff coming from id is equally dazzaling in 
scope.

I'm behind them all they way, but it seems like they have a monumental 
task before them.  But, if anyone can do it, id can!  :)

pst...@ix.netcom.com

> Another thing I would like to see is when you play Deathmatch and you 
> look at a player you can see the weapon they are carring in hand.  Also 
> player should be defferent in type and sex.  Why should only MEN get 
> wacked. Let let the women get a chance to get wacked too.

How can you tell under the helmet and all that body armour? :-)

In article <3hqr5o$o...@hawk.anselm.edu>,
Michael Swiderek <mswi...@hawk.anselm.edu> wrote:
>Kevin Bagnall (umba...@cc.umanitoba.ca) wrote:
>: >: From what I gather, all the information for gameplay is gathered from 
>: >: the server.  If the server sysop wants a chicken launcher, so be it- but 
>: >: an individual can't make one and not let anybody else have it.
>
>: What about playing modem-link? How are things made equal? I think Quake is 
>: going to be one big complicated mess.
>
>: Kevin Bagnall
>
>Frankly, I'm worried that we are all going to be disappointed -- keep in mind
>this is taking on a huge task, but only on 486...  Seems risky.


Only the client will run on a 486 class (or other) machine.
The server can run on anything.  Even a Sparc.
 
-- 

Eric Dreas                          #include <std.disclaimer>
Associate Engineer                  Go Big Red!

In article <3i0ofp$t...@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu>, dhol...@sunlab.cit.cornell.edu (David Hollman) writes:
> 
> : Only the client will run on a 486 class (or other) machine. : The server
> can run on anything.  Even a Sparc. 
> Hopefully they will release the client for otehr systems as well. A 
> PowerMac could probably run it satisfactorily. It is too bad that all 
> those Mac users are missing out on Doom and related games. I have tried 
> marathon, and it is no Doom. The Wolf 3D port was much better.
> 
> David
> 

How about a VAX/VMS or Alpha/VMS port of Quake and/or Doom?

-- 
John Kramer
VMS Systems Programmer/Systech, Ball State University Computing Services
01jbk...@bsuvc.bsu.edu, yo...@ceres.bsuvc.bsu.edu

In article <3i4nir$m...@newsy.ifm.liu.se>, matt_m@tistel (Mattias Myrberg) says:

>Humans only? I want to be able to create any kind of character.
>I would definitely consider being limited to humanoids a BAD thing.


Yes. I'd like to be a Kobold :)

Also, mabye they should take some ideas from the paladium RPG Rifts,
and allow us to play as Dragon hatchlings.

felicia