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>Finally:  Doom is DEAD.

>This weekend the TOP100 games chart, compiled by the readers
>of the internet has declared the strategy game: UFO, Enemy Unknown
>as the highest rated game above Doom.

Oooooooooooooooohhhhh!!!!!!!!!

Wow, those 262 people who responded to the survey are the sole determining
factor in the quality of a game.  Clearly, because doom is not 'only' the 
second highest rated game by these people, it is DEAD, and we should all 
stop playing it.

 - Martin (mc...@cornell.edu)

>From egg...@physics.ubc.ca (Sebastian Eggert):
>This weekend the TOP100 games chart, compiled by the readers
>of the internet has declared the strategy game: UFO, Enemy Unknown
>as the highest rated game above Doom.  

Is there some compelling reason why this was posted to 
comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic?  Are you a Civ fanatic aggravated
by the success of Doom?  I fail to see the deeper purpose behind this
post.


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In article <30eje6$c...@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca>,
Sebastian Eggert <egg...@physics.ubc.ca> wrote:
>Finally:  Doom is DEAD.
>
>Soon, Doom will drop even further since it has only a limited
>replay value for most people.  It was a good game, but the best game
>yet? Most people don't think so.
>You may say that it is not fair to compare Doom to a strategy game,
>which is generally more addictive and has much deeper gameplay.
>But Doom has also an advantage:  it is shareware and therefore more
>accessible for voters.

Technically Doom is the best yet.  Replay value?  I don't see people
setting up networks to play X-com... (can it even be played against a
human opponent?)  As cool as strategy games are, I personally feel nothing
compares to the thrill of real time action!  Was that message "flamebait"?

Alex.

In article <30eje6$c...@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> egg...@physics.ubc.ca (Sebastian Eggert) writes:
>Finally:  Doom is DEAD.
>
>Soon, Doom will drop even further since it has only a limited
>replay value for most people.  It was a good game, but the best game
>yet? Most people don't think so.

Actually, this is good news for Id (in one respect).  They produced a great
game that alot of people purchased.  Having addicted players doesn't bring
Id any additional income ($$$) which is what it's all about.  Now Id has
to follow up with another great game and attract the Doom'ers to it (eg.
Quake).  Since Doom eventually looses its appeal, that makes it more
likely that Quake will be a success, since their user-base isn't 
satisfied with Doom anymore.   I consider this news perfectly acceptable
and desirable by Id.

>You may say that it is not fair to compare Doom to a strategy game,
>which is generally more addictive and has much deeper gameplay.
>But Doom has also an advantage:  it is shareware and therefore more
>accessible for voters.

Dooms true advantage is it's initial attraction to users.  This translates
into $$$ for Id.  Anyone who has seen doom and wanted it has most likely
purchased their copy by now.

Id, IMHO, is well on the way to defining what a successful game development
company should be.

                            -- Jim 

In article <30ek5m$d...@news.tuwien.ac.at> m...@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at writes:
>>From egg...@physics.ubc.ca (Sebastian Eggert):
>>This weekend the TOP100 games chart, compiled by the readers
>>of the internet has declared the strategy game: UFO, Enemy Unknown
>>as the highest rated game above Doom.  
>
>Is there some compelling reason why this was posted to 
>comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic?  Are you a Civ fanatic aggravated
>by the success of Doom?  I fail to see the deeper purpose behind this
>post.
>

No, we were aggravated by people constantly telling us that Doom was the
end all/be all of all games. No matter what game, it HAD to be compared
to Doom. All games after Doom had to be a real time, 1st person, blood
caked on the walls, arcade game or it sucked. Not to mention that it was
hyped for nine+ months before it was released.

It amuses us to no end that a little known, turn based, game simular to
minture board games would de-thrown Doom so soon.

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Sebastian Eggert (egg...@physics.ubc.ca) wrote:
: Finally:  Doom is DEAD.

: This weekend the TOP100 games chart, compiled by the readers
: of the internet has declared the strategy game: 
                                   ^^^^^^^^
: UFO, Enemy Unknown
: as the highest rated game above Doom.  That means that  the highly
: celebrated "Doom" was the number one for only 28 weeks (compared to
: Civilization which was number one for 44 weeks and is still number 3).

Strategy game?????  Doom is more of a mayhem shoot 'em up.
Doom has excellent graphics and excellent realism, but certainly it has 
very little strategy.

In article <30ergb$d...@news.bu.edu>
y-t...@bu.edu (Yan Lee) writes:
 
>
>Sebastian Eggert (egg...@physics.ubc.ca) wrote:
>: Finally:  Doom is DEAD.
>
>
>Strategy game?????  Doom is more of a mayhem shoot 'em up.
>Doom has excellent graphics and excellent realism, but certainly it has
>very little strategy.
>
 
 Are you sure you have been playing in UV mode??????
 How often do you use IDDQD ?
 
I'm not a hotshot player but I think it takes some little strategy
to survive the upper levels in -skill 4.  I don't care how good
you are at shooting and ducking, without a plan, you aren't going
to survive.
 
I never played the deathmatch.  Maybe that's a Shootem up no
strategy game, but regular play definitely takes a lot of strategy.
 
--gru...@uiuc.edu

: It amuses us to no end that a little known, turn based, game simular to
: minture board games would de-thrown Doom so soon.

Pardon my french, gentle reader, but who the fuck is "us"?  This is one 
of the stupidest messages I've ever seen.  No, not every game was 
compared to DOOM.  Although I've deleted it from my hard drive (because I 
was playing it too much), DOOM remains the most impressive 
(technology/graphics/environment-wise) entertainment product I've ever seen.

I second the notion that your post was utterly worthless.  What's the point?

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On 18 Jul 1994 12:13:50 -0700 Alexander Schonfeld (al...@cs.pdx.edu) wrote:
>In article <30eje6$c...@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca>,
>Sebastian Eggert <egg...@physics.ubc.ca> wrote:
>>Finally:  Doom is DEAD.
>>
>>Soon, Doom will drop even further since it has only a limited
>>replay value for most people.  It was a good game, but the best game
>>yet? Most people don't think so.
>>You may say that it is not fair to compare Doom to a strategy game,
>>which is generally more addictive and has much deeper gameplay.
>>But Doom has also an advantage:  it is shareware and therefore more
>>accessible for voters.

>Technically Doom is the best yet.  Replay value?  I don't see people
>setting up networks to play X-com... (can it even be played against a
>human opponent?)  As cool as strategy games are, I personally feel nothing
>compares to the thrill of real time action!  Was that message "flamebait"?

	Maybe it was flamebait, but I'll respond anyway -

	After about eight months of playing DOOM, I still get a thril when
I crank up that chainsaw on e1m1...  And now with -fast mode...  *evil
grin*
	I like playing with DOOM.  400,000 percent kill ratio?  All three
episodes with only using the rocket launcher?  Beserk?  Chainsaw?  Doing 
speed trials?  
	And maybe I have no life, but it's still fun to go through all 
three episodes in normal play.  (Nothing less than UV, of course.)

>Alex.

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Yan Lee (y-t...@bu.edu) wrote:
: Sebastian Eggert (egg...@physics.ubc.ca) wrote:
: : Finally:  Doom is DEAD.

: : This weekend the TOP100 games chart, compiled by the readers
: : of the internet has declared the strategy game: 
:                                    ^^^^^^^^
: : UFO, Enemy Unknown
: : as the highest rated game above Doom.  That means that  the highly
: : celebrated "Doom" was the number one for only 28 weeks (compared to
: : Civilization which was number one for 44 weeks and is still number 3).

: Strategy game?????  Doom is more of a mayhem shoot 'em up.
: Doom has excellent graphics and excellent realism, but certainly it has 
: very little strategy.

I think he meant _UFO_ is a strategy game. Nobody thinks Doom is a strategy
game. The top-100 is top-100 of all games, and to displace Doom is a HUGE
effort. Mind you, maybe Doom players are too busy playing deathmatch and
tournaments to vote...

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Um, the guy was talking about stategy, not tactics.  Look the two
words up in a dictionary.
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In article <16FF7EA1...@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu> GRU...@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (Dan Grunloh) writes:
>From: GRU...@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (Dan Grunloh)
>Subject: Re: Doom is DEAD
>Date: Mon, 18 Jul 94 16:38:45 CDT

>In article <30ergb$d...@news.bu.edu>
>y-t...@bu.edu (Yan Lee) writes:
>
>>
>>Sebastian Eggert (egg...@physics.ubc.ca) wrote:
>>: Finally:  Doom is DEAD.
>>
>>
>>Strategy game?????  Doom is more of a mayhem shoot 'em up.
>>Doom has excellent graphics and excellent realism, but certainly it has
>>very little strategy.
>>
>
> Are you sure you have been playing in UV mode??????
> How often do you use IDDQD ?
>
>I'm not a hotshot player but I think it takes some little strategy
>to survive the upper levels in -skill 4.  I don't care how good
>you are at shooting and ducking, without a plan, you aren't going
>to survive.
>
>I never played the deathmatch.  Maybe that's a Shootem up no
>strategy game, but regular play definitely takes a lot of strategy.
>
>--gru...@uiuc.edu

You guys are missing the original posters point:  Doom isn't a stratagy game
so it has a hard time competing with them on an addiction level.  Doom has
little replay ability without network and modem play (which is often
impossible to set up).  There for it should be no surprise that doom is anable
to remain the most popular game when there are many games that are not
dependent on others for enjoyment.  I play games most often when I not in the
mood or can't be doing things with my friends.  Also none of my friends have
computers.  Doom is still a great game, although there is tons of room for
improvement in storyline and moster variety, hopefully doom two will help.
By the way, if anyone is in the Bridgewater/Raynham/Brocton/Tauton area and
wants to play modem doom email me.

st...@draper.com


PDeMaio

Is that a light at the end of the tunnel or just an oncoming train?

justinb@pinkfloyd (Justin Beech) writes:

>Yan Lee (y-t...@bu.edu) wrote:
>: Sebastian Eggert (egg...@physics.ubc.ca) wrote:
>: : Finally:  Doom is DEAD.

>: : This weekend the TOP100 games chart, compiled by the readers
>: : of the internet has declared the strategy game: 
>:                                    ^^^^^^^^
>: : UFO, Enemy Unknown
>: : as the highest rated game above Doom.  That means that  the highly
>: : celebrated "Doom" was the number one for only 28 weeks (compared to
>: : Civilization which was number one for 44 weeks and is still number 3).

>: Strategy game?????  Doom is more of a mayhem shoot 'em up.
>: Doom has excellent graphics and excellent realism, but certainly it has 
>: very little strategy.

>I think he meant _UFO_ is a strategy game. Nobody thinks Doom is a strategy
>game. The top-100 is top-100 of all games, and to displace Doom is a HUGE
>effort. Mind you, maybe Doom players are too busy playing deathmatch and
>tournaments to vote...

 I think the UFO players all banded together and decided to all vote. Let's
 try that strategy. Everybody here vote for DOOM!!!!! in the PC Top 100
 Games poll, and Doom will shoot up again! (yay!) Read
 comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.misc and c.s.i.p.g.announce to find how to vote.
 With a concentrated effort, WE WILL TRIUMPH!
 (MUUUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!! (grin) :)

>--
>Justin                                         
>jus...@lehman.com

Of couse Doom is a stategy game!

	Doom 3 Point Strategy	

	1) Shoot anything that moves
	2) Avoid flying missiles
	3) Don't fire rockets in enclosed areas ;)

Mark Askey
Knowledge Emporium

Harlan Hilman (hil...@ichips.intel.com) wrote:
> justinb@pinkfloyd (Justin Beech) writes:

> >Yan Lee (y-t...@bu.edu) wrote:
> >: Sebastian Eggert (egg...@physics.ubc.ca) wrote:
> >: : Finally:  Doom is DEAD.

> >: : This weekend the TOP100 games chart, compiled by the readers
> >: : of the internet has declared the strategy game: 
> >:                                    ^^^^^^^^
> >: : UFO, Enemy Unknown
> >: : as the highest rated game above Doom.  That means that  the highly
> >: : celebrated "Doom" was the number one for only 28 weeks (compared to
> >: : Civilization which was number one for 44 weeks and is still number 3).

> >: Strategy game?????  Doom is more of a mayhem shoot 'em up.
> >: Doom has excellent graphics and excellent realism, but certainly it has 
> >: very little strategy.

> >I think he meant _UFO_ is a strategy game. Nobody thinks Doom is a strategy
> >game. The top-100 is top-100 of all games, and to displace Doom is a HUGE
> >effort. Mind you, maybe Doom players are too busy playing deathmatch and
> >tournaments to vote...

>  I think the UFO players all banded together and decided to all vote. Let's
>  try that strategy. Everybody here vote for DOOM!!!!! in the PC Top 100
>  Games poll, and Doom will shoot up again! (yay!) Read
>  comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.misc and c.s.i.p.g.announce to find how to vote.
>  With a concentrated effort, WE WILL TRIUMPH!
>  (MUUUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!! (grin) :)

I can't vote for DOOM again..  You can only give 5 points to any one game,
out of 20 total that you have to vote with.  Otherwise all my 20 would go
to DOOM.  Each vote is used for 4 weeks.  So each time I vote, I give
5 points to DOOM each week for 4 weeks.  You can only vote for a game
4 times.  So:  for 4 months, I have voted for DOOM as high as I can.

Now, even though DOOM is my favorite game, I cannot vote for it.

Also, it is harder for the games to stay at the top, that it is for them
to get to the top.  How many points did UFO beat DOOM by?  I bet that
it will not last long, but I also think that the scoring system is
messed up.

Get the Games top 100 faq, and read up on it people...

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hil...@ichips.intel.com (Harlan Hilman) writes:


> I think the UFO players all banded together and decided to all vote. Let's
> try that strategy. Everybody here vote for DOOM!!!!! in the PC Top 100
> Games poll, and Doom will shoot up again! (yay!) Read
> comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.misc and c.s.i.p.g.announce to find how to vote.
> With a concentrated effort, WE WILL TRIUMPH!
> (MUUUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!! (grin) :)

	Gee, I didn't vote. I think I will now. For X-COM. I'll go tell my
buddie that is now hooked on X-COM to get on the net. Ya, I bet when he gets
to see this thread that he'll vote too. Let's see, I told 3 about X-COM. And
each of them have told 2 to 3 about it, and......can you say geometric
progression? I knew you could.
	I fairly certain that they haven't voted ether. ;-)
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>Get the Games top 100 faq, and read up on it people...

Can you either 1) Post this FAQ here, so us DOOMers who don't know how to 
vote can start voting and get DOOM back where it belongs (in first place) 
or 2) Send it to my mailbox (ph...@spork.acs.umbc.edu) so I can start 
voting, or 3) Tell me where to get this FAQ (if you're too lazy for 1) or 2)

Phil Epstein

I swear, the guy who started this thread was just looking for trouble. 
Okay, genius, how many people actually voted on this thing?  Two hundred?
Three?  Many DOOM lovers are too busy playing DOOM to deal with petty stuff
like this.  There's no need to rip the game, a lot of people like it.  I
know quite a few people that still love the old C-64 game M.U.L.E. The game
doesn't sell anymore, does that make it dead?  Cretin.

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Go ahead and smoke as many cigarettes as you want.

Who really gives a shit about some rating system?  Play whatever you
like.  Can you say "it's not worth it"?  I knew you could. 

Alex.

dwe...@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Dennis E. Weldy) writes:

>hil...@ichips.intel.com (Harlan Hilman) writes:


>> I think the UFO players all banded together and decided to all vote. Let's
>> try that strategy. Everybody here vote for DOOM!!!!! in the PC Top 100
>> Games poll, and Doom will shoot up again! (yay!) Read
>> comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.misc and c.s.i.p.g.announce to find how to vote.
>> With a concentrated effort, WE WILL TRIUMPH!
>> (MUUUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!! (grin) :)

>	Gee, I didn't vote. I think I will now. For X-COM. I'll go tell my
>buddie that is now hooked on X-COM to get on the net. Ya, I bet when he gets
>to see this thread that he'll vote too. Let's see, I told 3 about X-COM. And
>each of them have told 2 to 3 about it, and......can you say geometric
>progression? I knew you could.
>	I fairly certain that they haven't voted ether. ;-)
 
 Oh no! The voting guy is going to be flooded! The moving of X-Com above
 DOOM means that everybody will now vote, and the number of votes will
 skyrocket for all games!!! :)

In my opinion, no game can stay at first position forever. DOOM has released
for over a half year, so it falls down is quite reasonable. UFO is also a
good game, but I think it will also fall down when another good game
released. Perhaps it is DOOM II. :)

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hil...@ichips.intel.com (Harlan Hilman) writes:

>dwe...@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Dennis E. Weldy) writes:

>>hil...@ichips.intel.com (Harlan Hilman) writes:


>>> I think the UFO players all banded together and decided to all vote. Let's
>>> try that strategy. Everybody here vote for DOOM!!!!! in the PC Top 100
>>> Games poll, and Doom will shoot up again! (yay!) Read
>>> comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.misc and c.s.i.p.g.announce to find how to vote.
>>> With a concentrated effort, WE WILL TRIUMPH!
>>> (MUUUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!! (grin) :)

>>	Gee, I didn't vote. I think I will now. For X-COM. I'll go tell my
>>buddie that is now hooked on X-COM to get on the net. Ya, I bet when he gets
>>to see this thread that he'll vote too. Let's see, I told 3 about X-COM. And
>>each of them have told 2 to 3 about it, and......can you say geometric
>>progression? I knew you could.
>>	I fairly certain that they haven't voted ether. ;-)
> 
> Oh no! The voting guy is going to be flooded! The moving of X-Com above
> DOOM means that everybody will now vote, and the number of votes will
> skyrocket for all games!!! :)

	And makes for a more accurate sampling. I might be dumb....but not
so dumb. ;-)
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Just for the record, there is NO chaingun in doom.  The multiple barrel
weapon is NOT a chain gun.  Chain guns do NOT have multiple barrells. The
gun in Doom is a multiple barrell autocannon.


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Harlan Hilman (hil...@ichips.intel.com) wrote:
:  I think the UFO players all banded together and decided to all vote. Let's
:  try that strategy. Everybody here vote for DOOM!!!!! in the PC Top 100
:  Games poll, and Doom will shoot up again! (yay!) Read

I dont think so. I must say that doom is still the best so called
doom-like game, but it lacked depth of game, which UFO surely
offers. Most of adult people dont antwant just another mindless shoot-
em-up game. I think that DOOM shares will start heavily rise, but
thats for (I mean doom II) it nneeds some deeper gameplay, not only
if-it-moves, shoot it. I myself expect the whole world, where r
different people, allies, enemies and neutrals, some sort of rpg
style stuff and whole shitload of enemies to shoot down. I'd loved
shooting-around in Doom, but without strong background it starts
to be annoying. I grabbed doom from net as soon as it was released
and eventulaally finished it in UV-mode (have you even finished the
veryfirst episedeode with mere beretta only? in UV mode? I did it
thats why I say its possible). Then tryied Nightmare, but deathmatch
realled y gave new life to the fading doom, but now I'm looking for
something new (the wad stuff doesnt give THAT much to DooM). Now
I'm bored again *tap*. Cant wait something new. UFO is a really good
game, btw. I've spent hours, no days ... err weeks to kick some
major alien butt and ... well, its really done well. I mean game.
No surprise its hiited first place in list. List is quite good I think myse
I think myself I find only good games in first 10 places and thats
also mean something. If u dont care about the list, make your own
place all the first ten places full of doom and well .. you get one
damn objective list for yourself.

C:\PRONTO>

In article <30qell$6...@peak.edu.ee>, ta...@osiris.kbfi.ee (Tanel Raja) writes...
>Harlan Hilman (hil...@ichips.intel.com) wrote:

>if-it-moves, shoot it. I myself expect the whole world, where r
>different people, allies, enemies and neutrals, some sort of rpg
>style stuff and whole shitload of enemies to shoot down. I'd loved

What the hell kind of fun is shooting monsters?  Doom is as popular as it 
is because of the multiplayer option.  Otherwise, it'd be another wolf3d or 
a "visual" MUD.

alan

In article <30scru$j...@netaxs.com>, btr...@netaxs.com (Brian Trosko) writes...
>Marc Lombart (ma...@micro.org) wrote:

>also know that the thing in doom is properly called a minigun.  We also 
>know that even the smallest currently produced minigun is a 7.62mm beast 
>that weighs over 500 lbs.  But, the guys who brought us Doom choose to 
>call it a chaingun.  No big deal.  

Yes, you're right.  It's no big deal at all.  But I fail to see why anyone 
even brought this topic up in the first place... I mean, why not talk about 
how much ammo a REAL rocket launcher could carry?  What?  You mean you 
can't have 100 rockets in your backpack autoloading into it?  

What?  You mean a real BFG9000 doesn't really fire a green ball?

alan

Marc Lombart (ma...@micro.org) wrote:


: Just for the record, there is NO chaingun in doom.  The multiple barrel
: weapon is NOT a chain gun.  Chain guns do NOT have multiple barrells. The
: gun in Doom is a multiple barrell autocannon.


Right. All of us who are up to speed on our military-grade ordinance know 
that a chaingun is a one-barrel machine gun that uses a chain driven by 
an electric motor to pull the belted ammunition through the receiver.  We 
also know that the thing in doom is properly called a minigun.  We also 
know that even the smallest currently produced minigun is a 7.62mm beast 
that weighs over 500 lbs.  But, the guys who brought us Doom choose to 
call it a chaingun.  No big deal.  

Dennis E. Weldy (dwe...@expert.cc.purdue.edu) wrote:
: hil...@ichips.intel.com (Harlan Hilman) writes:


: > I think the UFO players all banded together and decided to all vote. Let's
: > try that strategy. Everybody here vote for DOOM!!!!! in the PC Top 100
: 	Gee, I didn't vote. I think I will now. For X-COM. I'll go tell my
: buddie that is now hooked on X-COM to get on the net. Ya, I bet when he gets
: to see this thread that he'll vote too. Let's see, I told 3 about X-COM. And
: each of them have told 2 to 3 about it, and......can you say geometric
: progression? I knew you could.
: 	I fairly certain that they haven't voted ether. ;-)
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I'm not going to vote! How's that! Ya wanna know whyyyy? Because I couldn't
care less what some _stupid_ (to me) list says is the best game!!!!!
It means nothing to me! If I were to vote, I'd vote for Doom. But 
I'won't, because if I let other people's opinion of games sway me, I'd 
have never played Doom once! (whiney people who won't take responsibility 
for their children saying, "Doom is *too* violent!")


I have X-com, and yeah, it's pretty fun. I like it! I have Doom, and IT'S 
GREAT! I LOVE IT! 

X-Com does not support the following things that:
1. Doom does
2. I have 
3. I USE

 14.4 modem, 3 station ipx network, Roland Sound Canvas 55 MK II, 
and most importantly: user created levels. X-Com _does_ support my Roland 
MT-32, but that isn't as good as my SC. 

	Techno weenie? For $750.00, I WANT SC GENERAL MIDI SUPPORT! 
AFTER BUYING MY NETWORK STUFF, I want it to supoprt my NETWORK! After 
buying a 14.4 (soon to be 28.8) I want 14.4 modem support!!

	So, I say _NOT_ techno weenie, but consumer who wants his 
hardware supported! 


	Vote for important things! We who like Doom _know_ how great it is.
It's more important to let people know about the game than it is to vote 
for someone's list.

jtdi...@ouray.denver.colorado.edu

     There seems to be some confusion between "strategy" and "tactics" here.
I'll fully agree that DOOM is not just a mindless shoot-'em-up, but the 
decisions the player must make (especially at difficulty 3 & 4... only 
psychos play 5... it's a joke, okay?) i.e., do I dodge and sprint across 
the room or hole up in a corner?, do I take out the Caco with the RL and 
the Imps with the chaingun, or vice versa?, are tactical ones, rather 
than strategic ones.  
    That said, let me be the first to express the belief that the 
previous paragraph was a classic case of "pickin' gnat-shit out of 
pepper."  Doubtless, there are those who sneer at tactical games and love 
strategically oriented ones, and vice versa, just for the sake of 
principal, but I would guess that most people feel that one is not really 
intrinsically superior to the other.
    I would also guess that most people would not equate "number two" 
with "dead", either.

: I dont think so. I must say that doom is still the best so called
: doom-like game, but it lacked depth of game, which UFO surely
: offers. Most of adult people dont antwant just another mindless shoot-
	  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: em-up game. I think that DOOM shares will start heavily rise, but
  ^^^^^^^^^^^
: thats for (I mean doom II) it nneeds some deeper gameplay, not only
: if-it-moves, shoot it. I myself expect the whole world, where r

	If the above highlighted part is true, then WHY is the projected 
earnings of the folks at id expected to be $8 million dollars from DOOM, 
in the first year alone?  And WHY are so many systems wanting to have DOOM 
ported to their platforms?  Sega, Atari, Windows, OS/2, you name it, they 
want it.
	Any game can simulate action to a far better degree than it can 
simulate intelligence.  I don't play a game to act out a story.  If I 
wanted to act out a story I'd read a book.

Hardball (hard...@io.com) wrote:
: : I dont think so. I must say that doom is still the best so called
: : doom-like game, but it lacked depth of game, which UFO surely
: : offers. Most of adult people dont antwant just another mindless shoot-
: 	  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: : em-up game. I think that DOOM shares will start heavily rise, but
:   ^^^^^^^^^^^
: : thats for (I mean doom II) it nneeds some deeper gameplay, not only
: : if-it-moves, shoot it. I myself expect the whole world, where r

: 	If the above highlighted part is true, then WHY is the projected 
: earnings of the folks at id expected to be $8 million dollars from DOOM, 
: in the first year alone?  And WHY are so many systems wanting to have DOOM 

*sigh* its candy money .. havent seens such kind of numbers before,
huh? Look, when you deal with game industry then you should know that
people really going to love it then it goes to like $16 mil. Seems
that they dont. DooM is mean for people whose fingers and eye-finger
coordination is much stronger than their brainwork. Most of strategy
games are vv. I must admit that I download doom, and got hooked
eventually, but deleted it after week, because it really didnt gave
me something really new. It became repetitive and frustating.
Dont tell me rubbish about cheat keys and uv. Yes I ended the game with
uv mode on, I didn't use he cheat keys AND I ENDED FIRST EPISODE WITH
GUN ONLY (those two big bozos in end as well). I smashed everyone
in deathmatch too. Its eveore even moree boring, because there is
only four mean enemies. I think three players again on (and they should
cooperate with monsters .. :)) will make me try it for one more wekk.
Anyway, the people whos IQ is higher than average want their
"hardware" supported as well - like researchers, programmer, etc.
I have big expectations on QUAKE. I hope it more andventure than
just shooting around game. I expect whole shitload of enemies, guns
armours, hi-tech eq, drugs, potions, maps, hints. I also expect
neutral or even friendly chars you must protect and who'll give
you vital clues about strotu story and who may even cooperate with u.
And I open it will be open game as well, so when I end some adventure
I can eventually download new from some ftp site and get hooked again.
with new story and new pace. Thats something DooM misses.
: ported to their platforms?  Sega, Atari, Windows, OS/2, you name it, they 
: want it.
: 	Any game can simulate action to a far better degree than it can 
: simulate intelligence.  I don't play a game to act out a story.  If I 
: wanted to act out a story I'd read a book.

This really sux ... I love interactive stories. Books are for weenies
who lack creativity.

jtdi...@ouray.Denver.Colorado.EDU (Stile) writes:

>Dennis E. Weldy (dwe...@expert.cc.purdue.edu) wrote:
>: hil...@ichips.intel.com (Harlan Hilman) writes:


>: > I think the UFO players all banded together and decided to all vote. Let's
>: > try that strategy. Everybody here vote for DOOM!!!!! in the PC Top 100
>: 	Gee, I didn't vote. I think I will now. For X-COM. I'll go tell my
>: buddie that is now hooked on X-COM to get on the net. Ya, I bet when he gets
>: to see this thread that he'll vote too. Let's see, I told 3 about X-COM. And
>: each of them have told 2 to 3 about it, and......can you say geometric
>: progression? I knew you could.
>: 	I fairly certain that they haven't voted ether. ;-)
>: -- 
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>:  dwe...@expert.cc.purdue.edu        |            10101010
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>:     of the world."   -Metallica     |            01101010->exit

>I'm not going to vote! How's that! Ya wanna know whyyyy? Because I couldn't
>care less what some _stupid_ (to me) list says is the best game!!!!!
>It means nothing to me! If I were to vote, I'd vote for Doom. But 
>I'won't, because if I let other people's opinion of games sway me, I'd 
>have never played Doom once! (whiney people who won't take responsibility 
>for their children saying, "Doom is *too* violent!")


>I have X-com, and yeah, it's pretty fun. I like it! I have Doom, and IT'S 
>GREAT! I LOVE IT! 

>X-Com does not support the following things that:
>1. Doom does
>2. I have 
>3. I USE

> 14.4 modem, 3 station ipx network, Roland Sound Canvas 55 MK II, 
>and most importantly: user created levels. X-Com _does_ support my Roland 
>MT-32, but that isn't as good as my SC. 

>	Techno weenie? For $750.00, I WANT SC GENERAL MIDI SUPPORT! 
>AFTER BUYING MY NETWORK STUFF, I want it to supoprt my NETWORK! After 
>buying a 14.4 (soon to be 28.8) I want 14.4 modem support!!

>	So, I say _NOT_ techno weenie, but consumer who wants his 
>hardware supported! 


>	Vote for important things! We who like Doom _know_ how great it is.
>It's more important to let people know about the game than it is to vote 
>for someone's list.

>jtdi...@ouray.denver.colorado.edu

	Heh heh heh ... Gotcha! I really couldn't care less about who's
on top. ;-]
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Tanel Raja (ta...@osiris.kbfi.ee) wrote:
: : 	Any game can simulate action to a far better degree than it can 
: : simulate intelligence.  I don't play a game to act out a story.  If I 
: : wanted to act out a story I'd read a book.

: This really sux ... I love interactive stories. Books are for weenies
: who lack creativity.

This is perhaps the least intelligent statement I have ever read on usenet.

In <30u7bd$7...@netaxs.com> btr...@netaxs.com (Brian Trosko) writes:

>Tanel Raja (ta...@osiris.kbfi.ee) wrote:
>: : 	Any game can simulate action to a far better degree than it can 
>: : simulate intelligence.  I don't play a game to act out a story.  If I 
>: : wanted to act out a story I'd read a book.

>: This really sux ... I love interactive stories. Books are for weenies
>: who lack creativity.

I agree this has to be one of the top "Mindless Statements Posted".
I think the guy should take foot out of mouth and engage brain.

>This is perhaps the least intelligent statement I have ever read on usenet.
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: Dont tell me rubbish about cheat keys and uv. Yes I ended the game with
: uv mode on, I didn't use he cheat keys AND I ENDED FIRST EPISODE WITH
: GUN ONLY (those two big bozos in end as well). I smashed everyone
: in deathmatch too. Its eveore even moree boring, because there is

	Hmmm... you played it for a week yet you did all this in just a week's 
time?  I don't think so.

: just shooting around game. I expect whole shitload of enemies, guns
: armours, hi-tech eq, drugs, potions, maps, hints. I also expect
: neutral or even friendly chars you must protect and who'll give
: you vital clues about strotu story and who may even cooperate with u.
: And I open it will be open game as well, so when I end some adventure
: I can eventually download new from some ftp site and get hooked again.
: with new story and new pace. Thats something DooM misses.

	Why?  To you, DOOM is just another shoot-em-up, yet what you 
seem to lust for in a game is just another RPG with a campy D&D storyline.

Brian Trosko (btr...@netaxs.com) wrote:
: Tanel Raja (ta...@osiris.kbfi.ee) wrote:
: : : 	Any game can simulate action to a far better degree than it can 
: : : simulate intelligence.  I don't play a game to act out a story.  If I 
: : : wanted to act out a story I'd read a book.

: : This really sux ... I love interactive stories. Books are for weenies
: : who lack creativity.

: This is perhaps the least intelligent statement I have ever read on usenet.

Thanks. A warm flame always makes you feel a bit more comfy.

Well, about books, havent found ANY good books lately. The last one
I readed was something from Poe (some kind of novels collection).
I also love tolkien and Douglas, Kafka is OK, too, but most of paper
backbooks I see on stores just make me yawn. ALTHOUGH I love
uinteractive storyplots - I was very hooked with Star Control II to
find out what was all the stuff with those Ur_Quan masters AND I
had tio be sort of creative and at least try to make something, because
it was kinda harder to just turn the page of book. Btw, why I added this
... yes, kinda stupid statement to my last message was to see how
quickly people descent ionto personal level do defend their beliefs,
AT least people are now falming me instead of blabbing about doom over
and over. It grew boring.

C:\PRONTO>

... Playing X-Com now ... any more flames?

In article <30fukt$f...@indus.unm.edu>, deh...@unm.edu (daniel paul ehrig) writes:
- Um, the guy was talking about stategy, not tactics.  Look the two
- words up in a dictionary.

Sorry, my dictionary has no listing for the word "stategy"

-- 
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Harrisburg, Pa.

Tanel Raja (ta...@osiris.kbfi.ee) wrote:
: : : who lack creativity.

: : This is perhaps the least intelligent statement I have ever read on usenet.

: Thanks. A warm flame always makes you feel a bit more comfy.

You consider my statement a flame? Wow...I feel all fuzzy. That statement 
doesn't EVEN begin to approach the searing steel-melting temperatures of 
a proper flame. But, thanks all the same.

hil...@ichips.intel.com (Harlan Hilman) writes:

>justinb@pinkfloyd (Justin Beech) writes:

>>Yan Lee (y-t...@bu.edu) wrote:
>>: Sebastian Eggert (egg...@physics.ubc.ca) wrote:
>>: : Finally:  Doom is DEAD.

>>: : This weekend the TOP100 games chart, compiled by the readers
>>: : of the internet has declared the strategy game: 
>>:                                    ^^^^^^^^
>>: : UFO, Enemy Unknown
>>: : as the highest rated game above Doom.  That means that  the highly
>>: : celebrated "Doom" was the number one for only 28 weeks (compared to
>>: : Civilization which was number one for 44 weeks and is still number 3).

>>: Strategy game?????  Doom is more of a mayhem shoot 'em up.
>>: Doom has excellent graphics and excellent realism, but certainly it has 
>>: very little strategy.

>>I think he meant _UFO_ is a strategy game. Nobody thinks Doom is a strategy
>>game. The top-100 is top-100 of all games, and to displace Doom is a HUGE
>>effort. Mind you, maybe Doom players are too busy playing deathmatch and
>>tournaments to vote...

> I think the UFO players all banded together and decided to all vote. Let's
> try that strategy. Everybody here vote for DOOM!!!!! in the PC Top 100
> Games poll, and Doom will shoot up again! (yay!) Read
> comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.misc and c.s.i.p.g.announce to find how to vote.
> With a concentrated effort, WE WILL TRIUMPH!
> (MUUUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!! (grin) :)

 I hate having to follow-up to my own messages, but:

 Good news everyone! I think maybe I had an effect of the voting system.
 The latest top 100 votes:



^ 1 (  2) Doom (+hacked add-ons) {S}                     Id AC [1386] 553
  2 (  1) U.F.O.: Enemy Unknown (+X-Com)  Mythos/MicroProse ST [1437] 491 
 
 Wow! Doom has reclaimed #1, and is, therefore, not dead! :) And by 62
 points, too! :)

Just read any post by one of the fanatics.

You guys need to get a little more sun...

Gordan Miller (gmi...@midget.towson.edu) wrote:
[stuff about "strategy" and tactics" deleted]

	I supposed I didn't mean that Doom was a completely mindless 
game.  It requires some sort of thinking.  I should still give Doom some 
credit.  It is not easy to make arcade/strategy games, extremely 
difficult indeed.  Later on Id software may be able to make good 
arcade/strategy games using the same graphics.  So far the only 
arcade/strategy out there is Bolo and unfortunately for you guys it's 
only for the Mac OS.

Tony

Integrity News System (usenet@integrity.uucp) wrote:
: Just read any post by one of the fanatics.

: You guys need to get a little more sun...
That's what F_SKY1 is for :)
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Integrity News System (usenet@integrity.uucp) wrote:
: Just read any post by one of the fanatics.

: You guys need to get a little more sun...

I would like to add quit a few very explicite explitive deletives but it is
not in my nature to sware to people I don't know personally so I won't
BUT F %$^%$ U *^&*^&* C UI^&*^ K $#%$#   O #$#$#$ F #%$%#@ F ^$^%$.

Go to where the fire never sets....

Put it where the sun never shines.....

In other words, buzz off and stop critizing our kind of fun and I won't
critisize yours, if you have any.......


Have fun. Thats whats lifes supposed to be really all about anyway.........

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(_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_)
( Just riding down the fiber netway on my way to the end of time and space)
( on my great white Unicorn. See ya there and may the great & wonderfull  )
( universe be kind on your journey of imagination and wonder.             )
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P.S. I blow away deamons out here too.

>P.S. I blow away deamons out here too.

More like you give them blow jobs.


 
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Ashraf Ghebranious (axg...@cscgpo.anu.edu.au) wrote:

: >P.S. I blow away deamons out here too.

: More like you give them blow jobs.


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Good one, Ashraf!  I wish I had said that!

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Ashraf Ghebranious (axg...@cscgpo.anu.edu.au) wrote:

: >P.S. I blow away deamons out here too.

: More like you give them blow jobs.


Okay, okay, peace, I will declare a truce if you will. I never meant to 
get involved in a flame war here, so lets just end it here and now.

I will willingly apologize to the original poster and to all that I
have offended with my reply. So, I apologize for my rude reply.

I am a man of peace and not one to be rude or insulting. I guess I got a
little carried away with my reply. My message is one of  hope and
joy to all, so I apologize and freely admit I went to far. 

Yes, I took offense to being called boring but, hey, I really like
DOOM, but thats not all I really like. I have many and veried interests
and my girlfriend does not think I am boring. So let me rephrase my
reply:

Just because I like DOOM does not mean that I am boring. Having
a passion for something does not make me uninteresting either.
So before you judge me, please take the time to get to know me
even if its only over the internet. 

Have fun. Thats whats lifes supposed to be really all about anyway.........

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( ***************************The Unicorn Rider*************************** )
(_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_)
( Just riding down the fiber netway an my way to the end of time and space)
( on my great white Unicorn. See ya there and may the great & wonderfull  )
( universe be kind on your journey of imagination and wonder.             )
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P.S. I blow away deamons out here too.

>Subject: Re: Doom is DEAD

Hmmmm.
Lets' examine this closely. 

  	STATEMENT = Doom is DEAD

  	Most Talked-About Game         == Doom
  	Hottest Game (in Sales)           == Doom
 	Best Virtual Reality Game Yet == Doom
	Best Action Graphics Lately     == Doom
	Most Fun Activity Yet               == Sex (Well, stats don't lie)
  
Our stastical analysis of the statement, "Doom is DEAD", cannot be verified 
(or Hell, even considered reasonable), using our universally-accepted 
Hypothsis Evaluation Techniques (and/or waking up).

Results: STATEMENT = FALSE
Probability of Error     = 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000%

CERTIFICATION: Certified by Universal Analysis Systems (UAnal)

P.S.
When presented with the STATEMENT for analysis all respondents replied the 
equivalent of:
"Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.  
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.   
(Insert one word from list 1, one from list 2)! Where's my chainsaw!"

List 1		List 2
---------		---------
Bull		Crap
Horse		Feces
Like		Doodle
Camel		Poo
Turkey		Ka-Ka
Eat		Chittlin'-Slingin's
That's-a-Lotta'	Droppin's

=======================================================
Bruce Rice  ;^)
Space Marine First Class (and Director of Customer Complaints)
APO Shores-O-Hell, Inferno 00666
=======================================================
Flames/Sparks/Friction/Any_Crap_at_All/ > NULL
=======================================================
    Hey, I'm married, I can't even speak for me!

In article <dweldy.7...@expert.cc.purdue.edu> dwe...@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Dennis E. Weldy) writes:

>> I think the UFO players all banded together and decided to all vote. Let's
>> try that strategy. Everybody here vote for DOOM!!!!! in the PC Top 100
>> Games poll, and Doom will shoot up again! (yay!) Read
>> comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.misc and c.s.i.p.g.announce to find how to vote.
>> With a concentrated effort, WE WILL TRIUMPH!
>> (MUUUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!! (grin) :)

Actually this comment is actually the type of comment that makes me realize, 
"So who cares if Doom is #1?", "If we all vote for Clinton he'll be president, 
Oh he is?? OK sorry." ;-) So what is a "poll" anyway? Just another statistical 
thing you can shove in someones face and say "I told you so!" ;-) Who cares?

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Mick J Hellstrom <mi...@jtec.com.au> wrote:
>
>>> I think the UFO players all banded together and decided to all vote. Let's
>>> try that strategy. Everybody here vote for DOOM!!!!! in the PC Top 100
>>> Games poll, and Doom will shoot up again! (yay!) Read
>>> comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.misc and c.s.i.p.g.announce to find how to vote.
>>> With a concentrated effort, WE WILL TRIUMPH!
>>> (MUUUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!! (grin) :)
>
>Actually this comment is actually the type of comment that makes me realize, 
>"So who cares if Doom is #1?", "If we all vote for Clinton he'll be president,
>Oh he is?? OK sorry." ;-) So what is a "poll" anyway? Just another statistical
>thing you can shove in someones face and say "I told you so!" ;-) Who cares?

Ya know, once Tie Fighter beats both DOOM and X-COM for the #1 spot on the
top 100, this whole thread is just going to get so much worse.  I just wish
FPS:Baseball and Jazz Jackrabbit would hurry up and get here...

>--
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In article: <30k9l5$3...@pacifier.com>  ma...@pacifier.com (Mark Askey) 
writes:
> 
> Of couse Doom is a stategy game!
> 
> 	Doom 3 Point Strategy	
> 
> 	1) Shoot anything that moves
> 	2) Avoid flying missiles
> 	3) Don't fire rockets in enclosed areas ;)
> 

Not Right
	1) Shoot Everything!
	4) Keep Running!
Neil Washbrook