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>(best way to do this, parallel lines, no signals, delays yer train too
much)

So your saying no signals at all on a stretch of track??  Doesn't that mean
only 1 train per stretch???  And this is good?!!

Chris locke wrote <935183253.9800.0...@news.demon.co.uk>...
>>(best way to do this, parallel lines, no signals, delays yer train too
>much)
>
>So your saying no signals at all on a stretch of track??  Doesn't that mean
>only 1 train per stretch???  And this is good?!!

In TT original, at the latter stages of game my two worst problems were:
trains not finding their proper stations, like if a train left a station and
the destination was to east and there were two tracks leaving the station,
one to east (the correct one) and one to west (not-so-correct one :-), it
would definitively choose the one going to west. And the second problem: I
had too much money. I had set building cost to high, which doesn't mean high
building cost at all, but a great inflation, so my money was all the time
overflowing and going to about -2 billion, so it wasn't much about money to
build train networks of one track for one train, while I must admit it
doesn't look very pretty. So my best strategy was to put one train per track
so they couldn't in any way interfere with each other. Perhaps with the
deluxe and the patch file I could build a network where trains share tracks.
So, have to try!

Elmo All�n

In <7pmc07$jh0$1...@tron.sci.fi>, "Elmo Allen" <el...@saunalahti.fi>
wrote...
>In TT original, at the latter stages of game my two worst problems were:
>trains not finding their proper stations, like if a train left a station and
>the destination was to east and there were two tracks leaving the station,
>one to east (the correct one) and one to west (not-so-correct one :-), it
>would definitively choose the one going to west. And the second problem: I
>had too much money. I had set building cost to high, which doesn't mean high
>building cost at all, but a great inflation, so my money was all the time
>overflowing and going to about -2 billion, so it wasn't much about money to
>build train networks of one track for one train, while I must admit it
>doesn't look very pretty. So my best strategy was to put one train per track
>so they couldn't in any way interfere with each other. Perhaps with the
>deluxe and the patch file I could build a network where trains share tracks.
>So, have to try!

It is very easy to spend a lot of money fast. Just "Buy local transport
Rights" for your largest town, and just click on that a few hundred
times (about 2 clicks per second?) and that should deplete your money
soon enough. :-)
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>It is very easy to spend a lot of money fast. Just "Buy local transport
>Rights" for your largest town, and just click on that a few hundred
>times (about 2 clicks per second?) and that should deplete your money
>soon enough. :-)

Well my way was to build tunnels costing some 200,000,000 or so, but even if
I spent one billion, and forget to look at money, it's soon turned red.

Elmo All�n

>I had too much money.
Build a tunnel from one end of the map to the other.  Goodbye �62million.
Then delete it.  Repeat!!

>trains not finding their proper stations
You add little stations en-route as "checkpoints" or waypoints.  It slows
the "flow" down slightly, as the trains try and unload/load but at least
they get to their destination...

Chris locke wrote:
>You add little stations en-route as "checkpoints" or waypoints.  It slows
>the "flow" down slightly, as the trains try and unload/load but at least
>they get to their destination...

I know that but the stations are limited too...

Elmo All�n

In <935277977.5777.0...@news.demon.co.uk>, "Chris locke"
<mcmu...@yahoo.com> wrote...
>You add little stations en-route as "checkpoints" or waypoints.  It slows
>the "flow" down slightly, as the trains try and unload/load but at least
>they get to their destination...
>

Well, I mark them as "non stop" and the trains just speed through them.
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>Well, I mark them as "non stop" and the trains just speed through them
The trains not told to go there will steam (no pun intended!) straight
through them, but ones told to "hey, go to that checkpoint!" will obediently
try to load/unload.
Thats all I meant, sorry.

In <935357760.14894.0...@news.demon.co.uk>, "Chris locke"
<mcmu...@yahoo.com> wrote...
>The trains not told to go there will steam (no pun intended!) straight
>through them, but ones told to "hey, go to that checkpoint!" will obediently
>try to load/unload.
>Thats all I meant, sorry.

Ah, but I have the patch installed, and it modifies the operation of the
non-stop system. So, you can add a station on the schedule of a train
and mark it as non stop, it will go to that station, but not stop at it.
Any stations that you do not explicitly put on the schedule, the train
wont stop at.
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Chris locke <mcmu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> >(best way to do this, parallel lines, no signals, delays yer train too
> much)
>
> So your saying no signals at all on a stretch of track??  Doesn't that
mean
> only 1 train per stretch???  And this is good?!!
>
>

Yes Chris, this is extremely good. I rarely use signals unless a production
facility is running at a huge level of production or if it is for a farm.
The reason being is that running two trains on one track produces poor
profit. Slow production facilities would cause both trains to run at a loss.
Just the one is fine, as it produces a profit, and works well. And as I've
said, signals often delay your train. One mistake in the signalling, and it
requires a lot of detective work to remove the defunct signal. Quick trains
require no signalling as they can be there and back very quickly. For me,
more than one train on a track is trouble!

I only use signals when,

1) It's difficult to build another track (ie no space in the town)
2) On farm runs, livestock and grain on same line
3) High production factories


Eddie

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>Yes Chris, this is extremely good.
So this is where the "competition" thing is a good idea - we both play the
same scenario, but you doing 1 train-on-a-track, and me doing bucket loads.
(ok, you get the point) but we'd see how it affects it and the pros/cons of
both strategies.

I can see your point fully, and some of my runs have only 1 train per track,
but others have to use signals as they carry numerous trains.

Once the competition scenario is finalized, I'd like to see how if affects
gameplay!!

In <935359260.15575.0...@news.demon.co.uk>, "Chris locke"
<mcmu...@yahoo.com> wrote...
>Once the competition scenario is finalized, I'd like to see how if affects
>gameplay!!

Is it too late to join? I would like to have a go as well. :-)
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If there are too many stations in one town, rename any existing stations of
yours. The computer doesn't count the number of stations, it just looks
through its list of possible names (ie West, Lakeside, Transfer etc), and if
it doesn't find one that's free, it concludes that there must be too many.
So if you rename '~ West' to 'West ~', you will be able to build another
station in that town.

Elmo All�n <el...@saunalahti.fi> wrote in message
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> Chris locke wrote:
> >You add little stations en-route as "checkpoints" or waypoints.  It slows
> >the "flow" down slightly, as the trains try and unload/load but at least
> >they get to their destination...
>
> I know that but the stations are limited too...
>
> Elmo All�n
>
>

??

The point of checkpoint stations is that you send your train *to* them on
its way to the final destination, so that it heads in the right direction.
So it must feature in the GoTo list. So marking anything as Non-Stop won't
help, then train must still call at the checkpoint.

Dan Ros <upl...@freeuk.com> wrote in message
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> In <935277977.5777.0...@news.demon.co.uk>, "Chris locke"
> <mcmu...@yahoo.com> wrote...
> >You add little stations en-route as "checkpoints" or waypoints.  It slows
> >the "flow" down slightly, as the trains try and unload/load but at least
> >they get to their destination...
> >
>
> Well, I mark them as "non stop" and the trains just speed through them.
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In <7pr8a0$h79$3...@pump1.york.ac.uk>, "Stephen Down"
<ste...@sjd117.freeserve.co.uk> wrote...
>The point of checkpoint stations is that you send your train *to* them on
>its way to the final destination, so that it heads in the right direction.
>So it must feature in the GoTo list. So marking anything as Non-Stop won't
>help, then train must still call at the checkpoint.

See my last message - <37c67fc8....@news.freeuk.com> :)
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What I've often found when running a crowded network is that trains often
take the wrong turning because the correct path has a red signal (Yes, I
play TTO).
If this is causing a problem, put TWO signals on consecutive tiles along
each path away from the junction.
It is highly unlikely that a train will be cause the leading signal to be
red, and this is all that an approaching train looks at.
(It can happen if [a] a train breaks down before it has pulled out of the
tile completely, or [b] you have an exceptionally fast train following an
exceptionally slow one)

Remember, the train will look up to 64 tiles ahead when it chooses which
path to take, and if it can't find it's NEXT destination station within
that, it will choose the path that takes it closest. This can play havoc
when you're running a long route that twists and turns a lot.

Chris locke <mcmu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> >trains not finding their proper stations
> You add little stations en-route as "checkpoints" or waypoints.  It slows
> the "flow" down slightly, as the trains try and unload/load but at least
> they get to their destination...
>
>

I thought you were already in it. Because of this, I added your name to the
list of people who have their names in the scenario. You personally are the
mayor of Big City. Your name sounds perfect for that type of job. Sort of
Americanish, even though I'm English

Eddie

Dan Ros <upl...@freeuk.com> wrote in message
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> In <935359260.15575.0...@news.demon.co.uk>, "Chris locke"
> <mcmu...@yahoo.com> wrote...
> >Once the competition scenario is finalized, I'd like to see how if
affects
> >gameplay!!
>
> Is it too late to join? I would like to have a go as well. :-)
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Chris locke <mcmu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> >(best way to do this, parallel lines, no signals, delays yer train too
> much)
>
> So your saying no signals at all on a stretch of track??  Doesn't that
mean
> only 1 train per stretch???  And this is good?!!

If you can keep up with the supply from the farm by running a 10-car train
for grain and another for livestock, and you have the space and money to
build a double track, then it is undoubtedly the most efficient. However if
you, at some later stage, find that the stuff is piling up in the station
much quicker than you can cart it all away, you will probably regret
building such a simplified layout, which will then be difficult to upgrade
for more trains

Thank you Stephen. You've put it well better than I could. I don't think I
explained this, but every single one of my trains has 9 cars, so I can get
max profit from the run. I don't care how slow the train goes, because the
profits usually make up for it. But sometimes I wish I could just start the
game 20 years later so i can get some faster trains.

My strategy is: 1 train for 1 track, trains carry the max amount of trucks
possible.

Eddie

Stephen Down <ste...@sjd117.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Chris locke <mcmu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:935183253.9800.0.nnrp-14.c1ed2dd7@news.demon.co.uk...
> > >(best way to do this, parallel lines, no signals, delays yer train too
> > much)
> >
> > So your saying no signals at all on a stretch of track??  Doesn't that
> mean
> > only 1 train per stretch???  And this is good?!!
>
> If you can keep up with the supply from the farm by running a 10-car train
> for grain and another for livestock, and you have the space and money to
> build a double track, then it is undoubtedly the most efficient. However
if
> you, at some later stage, find that the stuff is piling up in the station
> much quicker than you can cart it all away, you will probably regret
> building such a simplified layout, which will then be difficult to upgrade
> for more trains
>
>

If you want an explosive version, build railway tracks over his roads. If
you stop your trains then time it correctly, kaboom! And he gets fewer
passengers (and goods)  worldwide.

>Ah, but I have the patch installed,

**CHEAT** !!!

Joking.  I use the patch too.
Again, I didn't play enough around with that setting to realise that.
Thanks for the tip!!

In <935449530.5114.0...@news.demon.co.uk>, "Chris locke"
<mcmu...@yahoo.com> wrote...
>**CHEAT** !!!
>
>Joking.  I use the patch too.
>Again, I didn't play enough around with that setting to realise that.
>Thanks for the tip!!
>

To save people time, here is a good string for running the patch:
TTDPATCH.EXE -ilnqszmce 20 
That does all all kinds of things, like extending the station max.limit
so you can walk stations much further, and things like that.
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Thanx.
But I haven't got The Patch ... where can I get hold of it?
(And is it for O or Dx?)

Dan Ros <upl...@freeuk.com> wrote in message
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> In <7pr8a0$h79$3...@pump1.york.ac.uk>, "Stephen Down"
> <ste...@sjd117.freeserve.co.uk> wrote...
> >The point of checkpoint stations is that you send your train *to* them on
> >its way to the final destination, so that it heads in the right
direction.
> >So it must feature in the GoTo list. So marking anything as Non-Stop
won't
> >help, then train must still call at the checkpoint.
>
> See my last message - <37c67fc8....@news.freeuk.com> :)
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>But I haven't got The Patch ... where can I get hold of it?
you can get it from my site:
http://www.mcmuffin.demon.co.uk/files/ttdpatch.zip
(and the site also houses the TT competition!!)

or from Josefs site:
http://publish.uwo.ca/~jdrexler/ttdpatch/

Its only small - about 34k.
All instructions in the .ZIP.

Oh, and it doesn't "hack" the .EXE file, so you don't have to worry about
taking backups, reverting back to "normal" TT or anything else.

As for what version, its for Deluxe, I think.  I've just skimmed through the
README file, and it mentions TTD, so I guess so.  TTD is available in many
places now, so if you haven't got it yet, upgrade!!!!!

>Is it too late to join?
Nope.  Pop along to my site and download Eddies scenario.

>I added your name to the list of people who have their names in the
scenario.
Where is this list??  From the people that have shown an interest here?

Chris locke <mcmu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> >Is it too late to join?
> Nope.  Pop along to my site and download Eddies scenario.
>
> >I added your name to the list of people who have their names in the
> scenario.
> Where is this list??  From the people that have shown an interest here?

Yes that's right Chris. But the thing is, I have the list on my computer. If
more people want to join, then that's up to them, but their name will not be
added to the scenario signs like 'Locke Mountain' 'River Eduardo' 'Shatter's
bog' etc.

Did you have any trouble accessing the scenario. I've been downloading a few
and I haven't been able to access them. Their names just don't appear on the
list of scenarios when you press play scenario.

Chris - what's your company name going to be? You haven't mentioned it yet.

What I find interesting is to build a complex but highly profitable network,
then using the Scenario editor, save it, then play it ... this gives all
your transport to the AI opponents, who can't cope with the network and just
rip it all up, usually starting with stations, leaving trains stranded
everywhere.

In one city, one AI opponent built three separate stations, all carrying
passengers to different places. And then wondered why his ratings in each
station were so low...

Chris locke <mcmu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> >Yes Chris, this is extremely good.
> So this is where the "competition" thing is a good idea - we both play the
> same scenario, but you doing 1 train-on-a-track, and me doing bucket
loads.
> (ok, you get the point) but we'd see how it affects it and the pros/cons
of
> both strategies.
>
> I can see your point fully, and some of my runs have only 1 train per
track,
> but others have to use signals as they carry numerous trains.
>
> Once the competition scenario is finalized, I'd like to see how if affects
> gameplay!!
>
>

Later than when?
TTDx starts 1950
TTO with World Editor can start as late as 1965.
IMO, if you have lots of supersonic trains right at the beginning it can
make everything too easy, and less interesting as the trains develop.

Edward Bernard <edw...@ebernard.swinternet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> But sometimes I wish I could just start the
> game 20 years later so i can get some faster trains.

>and less interesting as the trains develop.
And if playing TTO, you miss the semaphore signals - aaargh!!  They're the
best thing about TTO, and I still cry at night at them being stripped from
TTD.

I thought it was 1975. And I meant just an ordinary game on a random map. I
wish that I could start later, with my long trains, they go too slow.

Eddie


Stephen Down <ste...@sjd117.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Later than when?
> TTDx starts 1950
> TTO with World Editor can start as late as 1965.
> IMO, if you have lots of supersonic trains right at the beginning it can
> make everything too easy, and less interesting as the trains develop.
>
> Edward Bernard <edw...@ebernard.swinternet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:7pscth$t2r$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > But sometimes I wish I could just start the
> > game 20 years later so i can get some faster trains.
>
>

>Chris - what's your company name going to be?
Just like me - "Novak & Good".  (say it aloud a couple of times if you don't
get it...)