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"Im Bobby!" <motard@retarded.security> wrote in message
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> Is there a recompiled Doom executable that will work on Windows 2000, and
for
> that matter XP without compatibility mode? I don't mean the souped-up GL
> versions...they're just not the same.

I'm not quite sure what your asking.  I run Doom 3 on a Windows 2000 machine
no problems.

Are you talking about trying to run it without a 3D card??  ie without using
OpenGL??  Dont think thats possible...

Cheers Dre

Dre wrote:
> 
> "Im Bobby!" <motard@retarded.security> wrote in message
> news:434C7069.34359436@retarded.security...
> > Is there a recompiled Doom executable that will work on Windows 2000, and
> for
> > that matter XP without compatibility mode? I don't mean the souped-up GL
> > versions...they're just not the same.
> 
> I'm not quite sure what your asking.  I run Doom 3 on a Windows 2000 machine
> no problems.
> 
> Are you talking about trying to run it without a 3D card??  ie without using
> OpenGL??  Dont think thats possible...

No, the original Doom. Unmodified (not GL) but recompiled to work properly in
later Windows versions.

> No, the original Doom. Unmodified (not GL) but recompiled to work properly 
> in
> later Windows versions.

No. It does work properly.
Doom is bound to DOS4GW Professional,  a 32-bit DOS Extender.
It should "work" under Windows 2000, no problem.

But it won't
    - use higher resolution video modes. It is stuck with VGA 320x200x256 
colours

And it may have problem with sound.
That is because most modern PC's have plug-and-play for hardware interrupts 
where as DOOM requires a sound card that it supports and a IRQ configurable 
between 0 and 7 (because ID Software had not figured out at the time, 
programmatically, how to get the slave PIC working with DOS4GW so that IRQ's 
for 8 to 15 were supported).

It is not Doom that has moved. The PC and OS's have moved away from Doom :-)
So Doom is stuck. And straight recompilation won't fix it as you imply.

Your best bet is to download a port like JDoom or ZDoom.
JDoom will do all you want in terms of sound and/or video mode options and 
any other feature you want.

Stephen Howe

"Im Bobby!" <motard@retarded.security> wrote in message
news:434C8313.67BE4231@retarded.security...
> Dre wrote:
> >
> > "Im Bobby!" <motard@retarded.security> wrote in message
> > news:434C7069.34359436@retarded.security...
> > > Is there a recompiled Doom executable that will work on Windows 2000,
and
> > for
> > > that matter XP without compatibility mode? I don't mean the souped-up
GL
> > > versions...they're just not the same.
> >
> > I'm not quite sure what your asking.  I run Doom 3 on a Windows 2000
machine
> > no problems.
> >
> > Are you talking about trying to run it without a 3D card??  ie without
using
> > OpenGL??  Dont think thats possible...
>
> No, the original Doom. Unmodified (not GL) but recompiled to work properly
in
> later Windows versions.

Ahhh I see, should have picked that up considering you did mention "Doom"
with out the 3 :)

Have you tried dosbox?  Works with a heap of other old games and gives you
full sound support...

Cheers Dre

Stephen Howe wrote:
> 
> > No, the original Doom. Unmodified (not GL) but recompiled to work properly
> > in
> > later Windows versions.
> 
> No. It does work properly.
> Doom is bound to DOS4GW Professional,  a 32-bit DOS Extender.
> It should "work" under Windows 2000, no problem.

Yep, I tried it again without sound and it works.

> 
> But it won't
>     - use higher resolution video modes. It is stuck with VGA 320x200x256
> colours
> 
> And it may have problem with sound.
> That is because most modern PC's have plug-and-play for hardware interrupts
> where as DOOM requires a sound card that it supports and a IRQ configurable
> between 0 and 7 (because ID Software had not figured out at the time,
> programmatically, how to get the slave PIC working with DOS4GW so that IRQ's
> for 8 to 15 were supported).
> 
> It is not Doom that has moved. The PC and OS's have moved away from Doom :-)
> So Doom is stuck. And straight recompilation won't fix it as you imply.

I understand that. I meant recompilation with just changes to certain
technical things, like sound.

> 
> Your best bet is to download a port like JDoom or ZDoom.
> JDoom will do all you want in terms of sound and/or video mode options and
> any other feature you want.

Ok, but only so long as it's identical to the original... GL versions tend to
be quite different in the way the game 'plays'.

Thanks for the help.

Dre wrote:
> 
> "Im Bobby!" <motard@retarded.security> wrote in message
> news:434C8313.67BE4231@retarded.security...
> > Dre wrote:
> > >
> > > "Im Bobby!" <motard@retarded.security> wrote in message
> > > news:434C7069.34359436@retarded.security...
> > > > Is there a recompiled Doom executable that will work on Windows 2000,
> and
> > > for
> > > > that matter XP without compatibility mode? I don't mean the souped-up
> GL
> > > > versions...they're just not the same.
> > >
> > > I'm not quite sure what your asking.  I run Doom 3 on a Windows 2000
> machine
> > > no problems.
> > >
> > > Are you talking about trying to run it without a 3D card??  ie without
> using
> > > OpenGL??  Dont think thats possible...
> >
> > No, the original Doom. Unmodified (not GL) but recompiled to work properly
> in
> > later Windows versions.
> 
> Ahhh I see, should have picked that up considering you did mention "Doom"
> with out the 3 :)
> 
> Have you tried dosbox?  Works with a heap of other old games and gives you
> full sound support...

Yes, too slow tho.

In article <434CA93E.30C4779D@retarded.security>, 
motard@retarded.security says...

> > Your best bet is to download a port like JDoom or ZDoom.
> > JDoom will do all you want in terms of sound and/or video mode options and
> > any other feature you want.
> 
> Ok, but only so long as it's identical to the original... GL versions tend to
> be quite different in the way the game 'plays'.

PRBoom is the most comaptible port, AFAIK.


-- 
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> > > Your best bet is to download a port like JDoom or ZDoom.
> > > JDoom will do all you want in terms of sound and/or video mode options
and
> > > any other feature you want.
> >
> > Ok, but only so long as it's identical to the original... GL versions
tend to
> > be quite different in the way the game 'plays'.
>
> PRBoom is the most comaptible port, AFAIK.
>

Most modern source ports eg. Doomsday and Doom Legacy are configurable to
look and play pretty much exactly like the original. Just turn off texture
filtering, movement smoothing, etc, and it should be identical, or so close
that you wouldn't notice.

There's also Doom95, which was an early port to Win95 but it works fine on
WinXP too. The only change there was the option to have higher resolutions
and run it in a window. You can download it from
http://files.filefront.com/1291752 (It comes with the shareware WAD file,
but you can use the full version Doom1 or Doom2 files with it).

On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:16:23 +0200, Smola wrote:

> PRBoom is the most comaptible port, AFAIK.

Yes, try prboom.

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P : Non, y a rien de plus immonde que de chier sur la moquette...
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On 10/12/05 7:23 AM, BW wrote:

>>
>>PRBoom is the most comaptible port, AFAIK.
>>
> There's also Doom95, which was an early port to Win95 but it works fine on
> WinXP too.

Not quite: it accesses the mouse in a way that XP doesn't like. Unlike
the original .exes, however, sound will work and you can run it as high
as 640x480.

I'll second prboom, though; it resembles the original .exes to the point
where it can play most demos recorded for them. It also has high
resolution and all of the enhancements contained in Boom.
http://prboom.sf.net/

There's also Chocolate Doom, which is fairly recent and seeks to
reproduce the behaviour of the .exes as closely as possible. It lacks
high-resolution modes, though. http://chocolate-doom.sf.net/

-- 
Chris Odorjan - codorjan@gmail.com - http://www.execulink.com/~bobnet/

hey yo people , what's wrong with ya'll , the only way to go with all 
original ID games ( doom, II, Final, Hexen , Heretic etc.) is Doomsday 
3d port@www.doomsdayhq.com


> 

On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 09:44:25 -0700, am <incubus898_nosp@hotmail.com> wrote:

>hey yo people , what's wrong with ya'll , the only way to go with all 
>original ID games ( doom, II, Final, Hexen , Heretic etc.) is Doomsday 
>3d port@www.doomsdayhq.com
>

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(BTW, Doomsday isn't the original ID game.)

> There's also Doom95, which was an early port to Win95 but it works fine on
> WinXP too. The only change there was the option to have higher resolutions
> and run it in a window. You can download it from
> http://files.filefront.com/1291752 (It comes with the shareware WAD file,
> but you can use the full version Doom1 or Doom2 files with it).

I have this from Final Doom CD.
It has very limited higher resolutions, up to 640x400 (or perhaps 640x480) I 
recall.
Nothing higher at all.

And it is flaky, particularly on restoration of saves. I don't think it 
solves the archvile bug.
There are numerous times when it does not restore a game, and the executable 
promptly barfs.
The times when it does this is if you save halfway through some enemy 
attack.
So if some mancubus has fired his first set of fireballs, you save, the 
restore is certainly duff.
It is unbelievably irritating.

I would not run it this days. There are numerous ports that are far more 
stable.

I believe that the team that worked on Doom95 at Microsoft were the same 
team that brought DirectX 1.0.

Stephen Howe 

> hey yo people , what's wrong with ya'll , the only way to go with all 
> original ID games ( doom, II, Final, Hexen , Heretic etc.) is Doomsday 3d 
> port@www.doomsdayhq.com

It certainly is very good, no doubt about it. One of the best ports if not 
the best.
But my experience is that some things are fixed each version while opening 
up other problems with other features.
glBSP was found to be flaky for some Hexen maps (unfortunately some Raven 
Hexen maps were not 100% clean).
I submitted bug reports to SourceForge on this.

Current version 1.8.6:
    Seems that command line switch -respawn is now broken on JDoom.
    Sky overhead is not reproduced for all maps (Doom, Heretic, Hexen)
    Invincibility on original Heretic flashes the screen on wearing off. On 
JHeretic it does not.
    Font in console annoyingly has some type of double shadow so words look 
blurred (also for 1.8.4, 1.8.5).
    Bloodscourge Head on Death Kings of Dark Citadel on Constables Gate for 
Mage is not placed correctly. Map crashes.
    Blocked walls seethrough at certain angles on Guardian of Steel of 
Hexen.

Lately SkyJake does not seem to be that active which is bad news for all of 
us :-(

Stephen Howe