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>We started talking about the possibility of playing it over the Internet,
>does anyone know if this option has been ruled out, cause if we could, I
>could host a really cool Doom site where you could play four player games...
>I belive it could be really successful!

I doubt you could get a 4 player game going over the internet but you might
be able to get a 2 player going with a serial port option and the IHHD.

FTP to cactus.org in /pub/IHHD for more info that..

In article <1994Jan5.0...@news.unomaha.edu>,
Marcus Graham <mgr...@unomaha.edu> wrote:
>A long time ago before Doom was realeased, a bunch of guys were talking
>about playing doom over networks...
> 
>We started talking about the possibility of playing it over the Internet,
>does anyone know if this option has been ruled out, cause if we could, I
>could host a really cool Doom site where you could play four player games...
>I belive it could be really successful!
> 
>Any ideas?
>Marcus

I doubt it would work unless in geographically close places, and to homes 
that have a 56k leased line or something.  Lag would have a bad effect on
the game.  And, if one site were to act as host... even just _ten_ sites,
the traffic would probably be overwhelming.

>From what I hear, the thing cant even run on a LAN.

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Nick Bensema (Nick.B...@launchpad.unc.edu) wrote:
: In article <1994Jan5.0...@news.unomaha.edu>,
: Marcus Graham <mgr...@unomaha.edu> wrote:
: >A long time ago before Doom was realeased, a bunch of guys were talking
: >about playing doom over networks...
: > 
: >We started talking about the possibility of playing it over the Internet,
: >does anyone know if this option has been ruled out, cause if we could, I
: >could host a really cool Doom site where you could play four player games...
: >I belive it could be really successful!
: > 
: >Any ideas?
: >Marcus

: I doubt it would work unless in geographically close places, and to homes 
: that have a 56k leased line or something.  Lag would have a bad effect on
: the game.  And, if one site were to act as host... even just _ten_ sites,
: the traffic would probably be overwhelming.

: From what I hear, the thing cant even run on a LAN.

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I got the thing to run on a LAN (at work) no problem.  (Actually we 
couldn't get the 3 player game running only 2 player.)

It is ABSOLUTELY worth seeing it run on a network if you haven't!  The game
is very intense by yourself, amagine what it would be like if you have 
another guy in the room with you (that you can see and shot (if you'd like))
helping you conquer all!  What are best friends for, right ?!!

Gaming like this is upon us everyone!  The dawn of interactive multi-user
graphical games is what I have been waithing for... and it's here... and
it's VERY WELL DONE!  8^)  I think I will actually break down and buy the
registered version.  They DEFINATELY deserve it!

-Dave
-ps...@netcom.com

ps. We did run into about 3 bugs though, and one of them actually killed
    us in the middle of the 4th level!
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Nick Bensema (Nick.B...@launchpad.unc.edu) wrote:
> In article <1994Jan5.0...@news.unomaha.edu>,
> Marcus Graham <mgr...@unomaha.edu> wrote:
> >A long time ago before Doom was realeased, a bunch of guys were talking
> >about playing doom over networks...
> > 
> >We started talking about the possibility of playing it over the Internet,
> >does anyone know if this option has been ruled out, cause if we could, I
> >could host a really cool Doom site where you could play four player games...
> >I belive it could be really successful!
> > 
> >Any ideas?
> >Marcus

> I doubt it would work unless in geographically close places, and to homes 
> that have a 56k leased line or something.  Lag would have a bad effect on
> the game.  And, if one site were to act as host... even just _ten_ sites,
> the traffic would probably be overwhelming.

> From what I hear, the thing cant even run on a LAN.

  It runs perfect on our LAN here (using NeXTStep)!  On the DOS-machine it
also runs, but quite slow, when 4 players are playing (3 runs fine)! I think
that's the fault of the networktools used under Dog.
						TOM
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mgr...@unomaha.edu (Marcus Graham) writes:

>A long time ago before Doom was realeased, a bunch of guys were talking
>about playing doom over networks...
> 
>We started talking about the possibility of playing it over the Internet,
>does anyone know if this option has been ruled out, cause if we could, I
>could host a really cool Doom site where you could play four player games...
>I belive it could be really successful!
> 
>Any ideas?
>Marcus

Wouldn't the way to do so be to (when modem support is possible) use 
Interenet Head to head (or whatever), something that is supposed to allow 
Modem-able games to be played over the the Internet... Some program I 
think... Saw something about IHHD in Gamebytes.

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I would caution the use of the network version of this game over the
Internet or any LAN that other people use besides the game players; a
network Doom game _killed_ the net here. The network load was so high
no one else could get a packet in edgewise.

2 cents,

- Todd
 
Mike Mooser (sco...@netcom.com) wrote:
: mgr...@unomaha.edu (Marcus Graham) writes:

: >A long time ago before Doom was realeased, a bunch of guys were talking
: >about playing doom over networks...
: > 
: >We started talking about the possibility of playing it over the Internet,
: >does anyone know if this option has been ruled out, cause if we could, I
: >could host a really cool Doom site where you could play four player games...
: >I belive it could be really successful!
: > 
: >Any ideas?
: >Marcus

: Wouldn't the way to do so be to (when modem support is possible) use 
: Interenet Head to head (or whatever), something that is supposed to allow 
: Modem-able games to be played over the the Internet... Some program I 
: think... Saw something about IHHD in Gamebytes.

: -- 
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Todd E. Van Hoosear (vanh...@cl-next4.cl.msu.edu) wrote:
: I would caution the use of the network version of this game over the
: Internet or any LAN that other people use besides the game players; a
: network Doom game _killed_ the net here. The network load was so high
: no one else could get a packet in edgewise.

Please get your info straight before postin stuff like this.  Doom 1.2. The
newest version, which will be out in a few days (I hope) has the network
stuff fixed!  No more problems clogging up nets.  I just wonder how long it
will take for the net admins to realize this and not kick doomers off their
nets.

: Mike Mooser (sco...@netcom.com) wrote:
: : mgr...@unomaha.edu (Marcus Graham) writes:
: : >A long time ago before Doom was realeased, a bunch of guys were talking
: : >about playing doom over networks...
There is still talk about creating a server, but I think the new network
setup will allow connections over internet. Maybe not in 1.2, but I heard
something about it last week.  There was also talk about making a server
that allowed more than 4 players.  I like this idea. :-)

: : Wouldn't the way to do so be to (when modem support is possible) use 
: : Interenet Head to head (or whatever), something that is supposed to allow 
: : Modem-able games to be played over the the Internet... Some program I 
: : think... Saw something about IHHD in Gamebytes.

Yes, it's called IHHD.  Yes it should allow 2 players to play over internet
just like over the modem. (There will probably be config problems like with
every other game tried with IHHD).  The big problem here is, it will only
allow _2_ players!  We want a full 4 (or more) for some real deathmatch
action!

Still patiently waiting for version 1.2.....


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I had problem when I tried to install and run on compressed disk (dblspace
DOS 6.2)  I couldn't turn around.  But when I install to uncompressed
drive, Doom work really nice.  If you have problem with Doom, maybe it
would help.

Apinop Suwintawong.

In article <97...@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU>, asuw...@ouray.denver.colorado.edu (Apinop Suwintawong) writes...
>I had problem when I tried to install and run on compressed disk (dblspace
>DOS 6.2)  I couldn't turn around.  But when I install to uncompressed
>drive, Doom work really nice.  If you have problem with Doom, maybe it
>would help.
> 
>Apinop Suwintawong.
> 

I use Doom on a compressed drive (6.2) and it works fine for me.

-Dave

Well now! I never expected to get flamed for a post that could keep
someone's net from dying! I am quite aware of the new version that will
not broadcast packets, but the old version _can_, and people should be
aware of this.

Our solution, BTW (pending the new release *ahem*), has been to acquire
some Ethernet cabling and two Ts and take our two machines off the
Internet and onto a small (2-machine) LAN. We switch back when we're
done playing.

Patiently waiting 1.2...

- Todd

ejm...@iastate.edu wrote:
: Todd E. Van Hoosear (vanh...@cl-next4.cl.msu.edu) wrote:
: : I would caution the use of the network version of this game over the
: : Internet or any LAN that other people use besides the game players; a
: : network Doom game _killed_ the net here. The network load was so high
: : no one else could get a packet in edgewise.

: Please get your info straight before postin stuff like this.  Doom 1.2. The
: newest version, which will be out in a few days (I hope) has the network
: stuff fixed!  No more problems clogging up nets.  I just wonder how long it
: will take for the net admins to realize this and not kick doomers off their
: nets.

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 (_)         Support Services,      |  Michigan State University 
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     Internet ID:  vanh...@msu.edu   OR: vanh...@cl-next4.cl.msu.edu
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ejm...@iastate.edu () writes:

>Todd E. Van Hoosear (vanh...@cl-next4.cl.msu.edu) wrote:
>: I would caution the use of the network version of this game over the
>: Internet or any LAN that other people use besides the game players; a
>: network Doom game _killed_ the net here. The network load was so high
>: no one else could get a packet in edgewise.

>Please get your info straight before postin stuff like this.  Doom 1.2. The
>newest version, which will be out in a few days (I hope) has the network
>stuff fixed!  No more problems clogging up nets.  I just wonder how long it
>will take for the net admins to realize this and not kick doomers off their
>nets.

They probably won't.  They've seen what DOOM can potentially do, and 
have decided in their minds that it is not needed on their net.
Kind of the same mentality that enters people who ban telnetting 
to certain ports (ie: mud ports) as happened on our campus. 
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In article <samathei.757848647@tortilla> sama...@tortilla.engr.ucdavis.edu (Sean Matheis) writes:
>ejm...@iastate.edu () writes:
>
>>Todd E. Van Hoosear (vanh...@cl-next4.cl.msu.edu) wrote:
>>: I would caution the use of the network version of this game over the
>>: Internet or any LAN that other people use besides the game players; a
>>: network Doom game _killed_ the net here. The network load was so high
>>: no one else could get a packet in edgewise.
>
>>Please get your info straight before postin stuff like this.  Doom 1.2.
>> [...] I just wonder how long it
>>will take for the net admins to realize this and not kick doomers off their
>>nets.
>
>They probably won't.  [...]

Well, ejm...@iastate.edu is a lucky fellow then - for a couple reasons.
Firstly, some of the most ardent net doom players are members of the
networking support and UNIX systems support groups in the Computation
Center.  Secondly, we took (and are taking) the time to use low-level
network monitoring tools to assess the real impact of the game on
networks.

The effect of the current game on a networked lab, particulary if you
get more than one game-set going at once, can be substantial.  Many of
our lab machines need to be slightly reconfigured to be doom-friendly
and that has worked to moderate playing in the public labs, but it'd be
naive to rely on this alone.  We'll rely on our standing policy of
work-before-play (gamers can be asked to leave, but can use otherwise
idle stations) and we'll hope for a better net-behaved version of the
game.  The work-before-play concept extends to prohibit game sessions if
they have a negative impact on the work activities at other stations.
We have a fairly long history of not banning activities, but rather
encouraging good computer/network citizenship.

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Dave Pfrommer (drp9...@uconnvm.uconn.edu) wrote:
: In article <97...@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU>, asuw...@ouray.denver.colorado.edu (Apinop Suwintawong) writes...
: >I had problem when I tried to install and run on compressed disk (dblspace
: >DOS 6.2)  I couldn't turn around.  But when I install to uncompressed
: >drive, Doom work really nice.  If you have problem with Doom, maybe it
: >would help.
: > 
: >Apinop Suwintawong.
: > 

: I use Doom on a compressed drive (6.2) and it works fine for me.

: -Dave


Same here with compressed DOS 6.0.

Richard

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In article <psyreCJ...@netcom.com> ps...@netcom.com (David S. Jones) writes:

   Nick Bensema (Nick.B...@launchpad.unc.edu) wrote:
   : In article <1994Jan5.0...@news.unomaha.edu>,
   : Marcus Graham <mgr...@unomaha.edu> wrote:
   : >A long time ago before Doom was realeased, a bunch of guys were talking
   : >about playing doom over networks...
   : > 
   : >We started talking about the possibility of playing it over the Internet,
   : >does anyone know if this option has been ruled out, cause if we could, I
   : >could host a really cool Doom site where you could play four player games
   : >I belive it could be really successful!
   : > 
   : >Any ideas?
   : >Marcus

   : I doubt it would work unless in geographically close places, and to homes 
   : that have a 56k leased line or something.  Lag would have a bad effect on
   : the game.  And, if one site were to act as host... even just _ten_ sites,
   : the traffic would probably be overwhelming.

   : From what I hear, the thing cant even run on a LAN.

   I got the thing to run on a LAN (at work) no problem.  (Actually we 
   couldn't get the 3 player game running only 2 player.)

Same here, but we got a full 4 player session going, shareware
version, dethmatch mode, ultraviolence, AWEsome.  I agree that playing
over the internet would be a bad idea for the health of the net, even
if performance was acceptable, which I would doubt.  The issue of it
not working on a LAN, may have been referring to several college
networks which slowed to  a crawl because of the game.  This was due
in part to the schools in questions having a flat ethernet topology.
At UVM we use routers instead of bridges everywhere, and doom packets
don't cross routers. (they do cross bridges :)

   It is ABSOLUTELY worth seeing it run on a net work if you haven't!  The game
   is very intense by yourself, amagine what it would be like if you have 
   another guy in the room with you (that you can see and shot (if you'd like))
   helping you conquer all!  What are best friends for, right ?!!

Couldn't have said it better myself.  apparantly, in cooperative mode,
you can toggle through the other player's point of views, tho I
haven't done it cause my co-workers are too bloodthirsty to play in coop-mode.

   Gaming like this is upon us everyone!  The dawn of interactive multi-user
   graphical games is what I have been waithing for... and it's here... and
   it's VERY WELL DONE!  8^)  I think I will actually break down and buy the
   registered version.  They DEFINATELY deserve it!

I usually get bored with computer games rather quickly, but the
interactive human element has kept me interested.  Hey, I wonder how
many doom games are going to be running in the UVM dorm rooms on the
network there this comming semester, or should they be called doom
rooms! :)


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Several others write:
>
>: I use Doom on a compressed drive (6.2) and it works fine for me.
>
>Same here with compressed DOS 6.0.
>

No problems here with Stacker 3.0 and DOS 6.2 either.

I've lost track of the original posting, but maybe the problem is something
else rather than DoubleSpace.
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Apinop Suwintawong (asuw...@ouray.denver.colorado.edu) wrote:
: I had problem when I tried to install and run on compressed disk (dblspace
: DOS 6.2)  I couldn't turn around.  But when I install to uncompressed
: drive, Doom work really nice.  If you have problem with Doom, maybe it
: would help.

: Apinop Suwintawong.

I have DOOM running on a 486 with a DOS 6.2 compressed drive and have
no problems what so ever..

mgr...@unomaha.edu (Marcus Graham) writes:

>A long time ago before Doom was realeased, a bunch of guys were talking
>about playing doom over networks...
> 
>We started talking about the possibility of playing it over the Internet,
>does anyone know if this option has been ruled out, cause if we could, I
>could host a really cool Doom site where you could play four player games...
>I belive it could be really successful!
> 
>Any ideas?
>Marcus
>
>
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        People already have been playing doom over the internet.  The site is
something like IHHD   internet head to head deamon.  I wrote them and they
added me to thier mailing list but I havent figured anything out yet.
L8R
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In article <psyreCJ...@netcom.com>,
>
>It is ABSOLUTELY worth seeing it run on a network if you haven't!  The game
>is very intense by yourself, amagine what it would be like if you have 
>another guy in the room with you (that you can see and shot (if you'd like))
>helping you conquer all!  What are best friends for, right ?!!
>
>Gaming like this is upon us everyone!  The dawn of interactive multi-user
>graphical games is what I have been waithing for... and it's here... and
>it's VERY WELL DONE!  8^)  I think I will actually break down and buy the
>registered version.  They DEFINATELY deserve it!
>
>ps. We did run into about 3 bugs though, and one of them actually killed
>    us in the middle of the 4th level!

	We're running the game networked here at the UW and I haven't 
heard of any problems when more than two players connect.  Most likely 
because of the fine and dedicated staff at our Academic Computing Center.
	The only problems I've encountered is with trigger-happy and/or 
tactical-impaired team mates!  Okay, I understand that most folks who 
jump on don't have any military training; let alone seen any real combat.
	But fuckin-A, haven't these kids ever played team sports?  I've 
been killed more than twice by some eager beaver who touches off a rocket 
when he's directly behind me!  
	I was a military advisor, I'm an expert in small-unit tactics.  I 
understand that this is just a game...
	If anyone wants some hints on successful team play: how _not_ to 
frag yr buds; who should take the point; msg signs; how to array various 
weapons, etc....email me.

	I be:  gor...@goren.washington.edu

	Robert Antonelli

*chuckle*

> 	But fuckin-A, haven't these kids ever played team sports?  I've 
> been killed more than twice by some eager beaver who touches off a rocket 
> when he's directly behind me!  

Not to mention the habit of 'mil-novice' players congregating in a tight bunch
---a lovely target for a snipin' imp to get damage on all of them at once---
what we in the Aust. Army Reserve used to call a "clusterf*ck".

Spread out, players! and make every shot count!

--Kevin.
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