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On Sat, 30 Jun 2018 11:44:31 -0700 (PDT), hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:

>An ad from 1966:
>https://books.google.com/books?id=WFYEAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA81&dq=life%20bell%20telephone%20reliable&pg=PA18-IA3#v=onepage&q&f=false
>
>Note the architecture of the era and emphasis on fast service and
>no tipping.
>
>Personally, while I think the food at BK is decent, for some
>reason service quality at the chain is poor (seen at many 
>different outlets).  The counter help often seems frozen
>or confused.  One time a customer had a coupon and the cashier
>spent five minutes trying to enter it, meanwhile a long line
>built up.

They are fine, as long as you don't try to order food outside the meal
rushes. More than once, at different Burger Kings, I got a new bun on
old food.

Wendys where I used to live, I arrived about 5 minutes before the
lunch rush. The burger and the fries were cold. The fry guy actually
told me to be careful the fries were hot. I guess he thought room
temperature fries are hot. I've worked in fast food places, everyone
in that Wendys acted like they were clueless. I thought they got
training. If my boss had caught me serving cold fries, I would have
been fired. Only the soda was the correct temperature, and I served
myself on that one.

On Sat, 30 Jun 2018 11:44:31 -0700 (PDT)
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:

> Personally, while I think the food at BK is decent, for some
> reason service quality at the chain is poor (seen at many 
> different outlets).

	I find that BK varies from place to place a lot more than McD which
is pretty consistently mediocre[1] everywhere while BK varies from bad to
almost worth eating in.

[1] Or however you rate it.

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On Sat, 30 Jun 2018 11:44:31 -0700 (PDT), hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:

>An ad from 1966:
>https://books.google.com/books?id=WFYEAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA81&dq=life%20bell%20telephone%20reliable&pg=PA18-IA3#v=onepage&q&f=false
>
>Note the architecture of the era and emphasis on fast service and
>no tipping.
>
>Personally, while I think the food at BK is decent, for some
>reason service quality at the chain is poor (seen at many 
>different outlets).  The counter help often seems frozen
>or confused.  One time a customer had a coupon and the cashier
>spent five minutes trying to enter it, meanwhile a long line
>built up.

Burger King used to guarantee orders in 3 minutes.  When you placed
the order a visible timer was started at the drivethrough and if it
got to zero before your order was in your hands your order was free.

You should be old enough to remember this ad
<https://youtu.be/KJXzkUH72cY>.

Incidentally, I recently attended a presentation by Carla Harris, Vice
Chairman, Wealth Management at Morgan Stanley, and professional gospel
singer (2 sold-out Carnegie Hall concerts).  She handled the Burger
King IPO in 2006 and at one point asked the Burger King CEO if they
were going to bring back that song, both verses.  He remakred that
there was only one verse. So she sang it for him, and she sang it for
us.  And if they decide to bring it back, they should pay her to sing
it for everybody.

>To me, it reminds me of the IBM vs others competition.  Other
>computer firms, for whatever reason, could never capture IBM's
>excellent customer support/service, even if they stole an
>IBM executive to be in charge of their computer division.
>Burger King has been around for 50 years.  Couldn't they see
>McD's handling is so much superior to theirs?

They did once.  Then they forgot.
 
>(On page 24 is an ad for the Polaroid 'swinger' a cheap
>little b&w instant camera that turned out to be very popular.)

I had one of those when I was a teenager, it was really convenient.
>
>
>Here is a McD's ad from 1962:
>https://books.google.com/books?id=eVUEAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA20&dq=life%20mcdonalds&pg=PA20#v=onepage&q&f=false
>
>Here is a 1966 article about the chain and "Hamburger University".
>https://books.google.com/books?id=zkwEAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA100&dq=life%20mcdonalds&pg=PA100#v=onepage&q&f=false
>(On Page 102 is an ad for a Wollensak cassette recorder; note 
>the slide rule in the background.)
>

In article <tdlfjddriuu54g3v7...@4ax.com>,
JimP  <solo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 30 Jun 2018 11:44:31 -0700 (PDT), hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>
>>An ad from 1966:
>>https://books.google.com/books?id=WFYEAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA81&dq=life%20bell%20telephone%20reliable&pg=PA18-IA3#v=onepage&q&f=false
>>
>>Note the architecture of the era and emphasis on fast service and
>>no tipping.
>>
>>Personally, while I think the food at BK is decent, for some
>>reason service quality at the chain is poor (seen at many 
>>different outlets).  The counter help often seems frozen
>>or confused.  One time a customer had a coupon and the cashier
>>spent five minutes trying to enter it, meanwhile a long line
>>built up.
>
>They are fine, as long as you don't try to order food outside the meal
>rushes. More than once, at different Burger Kings, I got a new bun on
>old food.
>
>Wendys where I used to live, I arrived about 5 minutes before the
>lunch rush. The burger and the fries were cold. The fry guy actually
>told me to be careful the fries were hot. I guess he thought room
>temperature fries are hot. I've worked in fast food places, everyone
>in that Wendys acted like they were clueless. I thought they got
>training. If my boss had caught me serving cold fries, I would have
>been fired. Only the soda was the correct temperature, and I served
>myself on that one.

Wendy's is an interesting case.  When they first came to town, they were
great.  You could get a good, fresh burger practically as quick as you
could walk through.  Then something happened (and this was before Dave
Thomas died) and they went to pot.  Then after Thomas, they got worse
and the last time I went, it seemed that the concept of providing food
to customers for cash was a novel concept to the staff..
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On 1 Jul 2018 04:10:03 GMT, t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>)
wrote:

>In article <tdlfjddriuu54g3v7...@4ax.com>,
>JimP  <solo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On Sat, 30 Jun 2018 11:44:31 -0700 (PDT), hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>
>>>An ad from 1966:
>>>https://books.google.com/books?id=WFYEAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA81&dq=life%20bell%20telephone%20reliable&pg=PA18-IA3#v=onepage&q&f=false
>>>
>>>Note the architecture of the era and emphasis on fast service and
>>>no tipping.
>>>
>>>Personally, while I think the food at BK is decent, for some
>>>reason service quality at the chain is poor (seen at many 
>>>different outlets).  The counter help often seems frozen
>>>or confused.  One time a customer had a coupon and the cashier
>>>spent five minutes trying to enter it, meanwhile a long line
>>>built up.
>>
>>They are fine, as long as you don't try to order food outside the meal
>>rushes. More than once, at different Burger Kings, I got a new bun on
>>old food.
>>
>>Wendys where I used to live, I arrived about 5 minutes before the
>>lunch rush. The burger and the fries were cold. The fry guy actually
>>told me to be careful the fries were hot. I guess he thought room
>>temperature fries are hot. I've worked in fast food places, everyone
>>in that Wendys acted like they were clueless. I thought they got
>>training. If my boss had caught me serving cold fries, I would have
>>been fired. Only the soda was the correct temperature, and I served
>>myself on that one.
>
>Wendy's is an interesting case.  When they first came to town, they were
>great.  You could get a good, fresh burger practically as quick as you
>could walk through.  Then something happened (and this was before Dave
>Thomas died) and they went to pot.  Then after Thomas, they got worse
>and the last time I went, it seemed that the concept of providing food
>to customers for cash was a novel concept to the staff..

I think it depends on the location.  On the way home from work I drive
past a Wendys and an empty lot.  The empty lot used to be a McDonalds.
When I was in the mood for a burrger I would go to the McDonalds, wait
5 minutes at the speaker and if no voice came out of it go on to
Wendys, which couldn't be counted on to get the order right but at
least they responded.

One day I noticed that the entrance to the McDonalds was blocked, and
a few days later they started tearing it down.

JimP <solo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Jun 2018 11:44:31 -0700 (PDT), hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> 
>> An ad from 1966:
>> https://books.google.com/books?id=WFYEAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA81&dq=life%20bell%20telephone%20reliable&pg=PA18-IA3#v=onepage&q&f=false
>> 
>> Note the architecture of the era and emphasis on fast service and
>> no tipping.
>> 
>> Personally, while I think the food at BK is decent, for some
>> reason service quality at the chain is poor (seen at many 
>> different outlets).  The counter help often seems frozen
>> or confused.  One time a customer had a coupon and the cashier
>> spent five minutes trying to enter it, meanwhile a long line
>> built up.
> 
> They are fine, as long as you don't try to order food outside the meal
> rushes. More than once, at different Burger Kings, I got a new bun on
> old food.
> 
> Wendys where I used to live, I arrived about 5 minutes before the
> lunch rush. The burger and the fries were cold. The fry guy actually
> told me to be careful the fries were hot. I guess he thought room
> temperature fries are hot. I've worked in fast food places, everyone
> in that Wendys acted like they were clueless. I thought they got
> training. If my boss had caught me serving cold fries, I would have
> been fired. Only the soda was the correct temperature, and I served
> myself on that one.
> 

Three or four times I ate at BK  and got sick, now I stick to McD's for
cheap burgers.

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On 1 Jul 2018 04:10:03 GMT, t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>)
wrote:

>In article <tdlfjddriuu54g3v7...@4ax.com>,
>JimP  <solo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On Sat, 30 Jun 2018 11:44:31 -0700 (PDT), hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>
>>>An ad from 1966:
>>>https://books.google.com/books?id=WFYEAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA81&dq=life%20bell%20telephone%20reliable&pg=PA18-IA3#v=onepage&q&f=false
>>>
>>>Note the architecture of the era and emphasis on fast service and
>>>no tipping.
>>>
>>>Personally, while I think the food at BK is decent, for some
>>>reason service quality at the chain is poor (seen at many 
>>>different outlets).  The counter help often seems frozen
>>>or confused.  One time a customer had a coupon and the cashier
>>>spent five minutes trying to enter it, meanwhile a long line
>>>built up.
>>
>>They are fine, as long as you don't try to order food outside the meal
>>rushes. More than once, at different Burger Kings, I got a new bun on
>>old food.
>>
>>Wendys where I used to live, I arrived about 5 minutes before the
>>lunch rush. The burger and the fries were cold. The fry guy actually
>>told me to be careful the fries were hot. I guess he thought room
>>temperature fries are hot. I've worked in fast food places, everyone
>>in that Wendys acted like they were clueless. I thought they got
>>training. If my boss had caught me serving cold fries, I would have
>>been fired. Only the soda was the correct temperature, and I served
>>myself on that one.
>
>Wendy's is an interesting case.  When they first came to town, they were
>great.  You could get a good, fresh burger practically as quick as you
>could walk through.  Then something happened (and this was before Dave
>Thomas died) and they went to pot.  Then after Thomas, they got worse
>and the last time I went, it seemed that the concept of providing food
>to customers for cash was a novel concept to the staff..

Most chain food places have a training/just opened crew that comes in
and trains the new hires. And provides excellent service.

Some, but not all, of the new hires continue with the excellent
service.

On 07/01/18 11:47, Peter Flass wrote:

>
> Three or four times I ate at BK  and got sick, now I stick to McD's for
> cheap burgers.
>

Here in the UK, they were  known as grisleburgers and as you
say, sometimes made you ill the next day. Mc-D, like Holiday Inns,
may be basic, but reliable wherever you are...

Chris

hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com writes:

>
>Personally, while I think the food at BK is decent

Everyone is entitled to their opinion :-)

t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) writes:
>In article <tdlfjddriuu54g3v7...@4ax.com>,
>JimP  <solo...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>
>>Wendys where I used to live, I arrived about 5 minutes before the
>>lunch rush. The burger and the fries were cold. The fry guy actually
>>told me to be careful the fries were hot. I guess he thought room
>>temperature fries are hot. I've worked in fast food places, everyone
>>in that Wendys acted like they were clueless. I thought they got
>>training. If my boss had caught me serving cold fries, I would have
>>been fired. Only the soda was the correct temperature, and I served
>>myself on that one.
>
>Wendy's is an interesting case.  When they first came to town, they were
>great.  You could get a good, fresh burger practically as quick as you
>could walk through.  Then something happened (and this was before Dave
>Thomas died) and they went to pot.  Then after Thomas, they got worse
>and the last time I went, it seemed that the concept of providing food
>to customers for cash was a novel concept to the staff..

There's a Wendy's a few miles from here where a customer once found
a human finger in the chili.   After investigation, it was found
that the customer had acquired the finger from a friend in Las
Vegas and had placed it in her own bowl of chili hoping for a big
payday.

https://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/14/us/police-identify-severed-finger-in-the-wendys-chili-case.html

On Saturday, June 30, 2018 at 4:21:50 PM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Jun 2018 11:44:31 -0700 (PDT), hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> 
> >An ad from 1966:
> >https://books.google.com/books?id=WFYEAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA81&dq=life%20bell%20telephone%20reliable&pg=PA18-IA3#v=onepage&q&f=false
> >
> >Note the architecture of the era and emphasis on fast service and
> >no tipping.
> >
> >Personally, while I think the food at BK is decent, for some
> >reason service quality at the chain is poor (seen at many 
> >different outlets).  The counter help often seems frozen
> >or confused.  One time a customer had a coupon and the cashier
> >spent five minutes trying to enter it, meanwhile a long line
> >built up.
> 
> Burger King used to guarantee orders in 3 minutes.  When you placed
> the order a visible timer was started at the drivethrough and if it
> got to zero before your order was in your hands your order was free.
> 
> You should be old enough to remember this ad
> <https://youtu.be/KJXzkUH72cY>.
> 
> Incidentally, I recently attended a presentation by Carla Harris, Vice
> Chairman, Wealth Management at Morgan Stanley, and professional gospel
> singer (2 sold-out Carnegie Hall concerts).  She handled the Burger
> King IPO in 2006 and at one point asked the Burger King CEO if they
> were going to bring back that song, both verses.  He remakred that
> there was only one verse. So she sang it for him, and she sang it for
> us.  And if they decide to bring it back, they should pay her to sing
> it for everybody.

Years ago, young actress Sarah Michelle Gellar did an ad for a fast
food chain.  There was some subsequent litigation and as a result
she got banned from a chain.  This was disruptive as a little kid
as birthday parties and such were held and she couldn't go.

"...She subsequently appeared in a controversial television commercial 
for Burger King, in which her character criticized McDonald's and 
claimed to eat only at Burger King.[31] The ad led to a lawsuit 
by McDonald's, naming Gellar and banning her from eating at the 
food chain;[32][33] she recalled in a 2004 interview: "I wasn’t 
allowed to eat there. It was tough because, when you’re a little 
kid, McDonald’s is where all your friends have their birthday 
parties, so I missed out on a lot of apple pies."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Michelle_Gellar

On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 12:28:47 -0700 (PDT)
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:

> Years ago, young actress Sarah Michelle Gellar did an ad for a fast
> food chain.  There was some subsequent litigation and as a result
> she got banned from a chain.  This was disruptive as a little kid
> as birthday parties and such were held and she couldn't go.

	What a travesty of justice, an actor is not responsible for the
lines they deliver or the character they portray whether it is in an advert
or any other form of production especially a four year old actor.

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On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 12:28:47 -0700 (PDT), hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:

>On Saturday, June 30, 2018 at 4:21:50 PM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:
>> On Sat, 30 Jun 2018 11:44:31 -0700 (PDT), hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>> 
>> >An ad from 1966:
>> >https://books.google.com/books?id=WFYEAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA81&dq=life%20bell%20telephone%20reliable&pg=PA18-IA3#v=onepage&q&f=false
>> >
>> >Note the architecture of the era and emphasis on fast service and
>> >no tipping.
>> >
>> >Personally, while I think the food at BK is decent, for some
>> >reason service quality at the chain is poor (seen at many 
>> >different outlets).  The counter help often seems frozen
>> >or confused.  One time a customer had a coupon and the cashier
>> >spent five minutes trying to enter it, meanwhile a long line
>> >built up.
>> 
>> Burger King used to guarantee orders in 3 minutes.  When you placed
>> the order a visible timer was started at the drivethrough and if it
>> got to zero before your order was in your hands your order was free.
>> 
>> You should be old enough to remember this ad
>> <https://youtu.be/KJXzkUH72cY>.
>> 
>> Incidentally, I recently attended a presentation by Carla Harris, Vice
>> Chairman, Wealth Management at Morgan Stanley, and professional gospel
>> singer (2 sold-out Carnegie Hall concerts).  She handled the Burger
>> King IPO in 2006 and at one point asked the Burger King CEO if they
>> were going to bring back that song, both verses.  He remakred that
>> there was only one verse. So she sang it for him, and she sang it for
>> us.  And if they decide to bring it back, they should pay her to sing
>> it for everybody.
>
>Years ago, young actress Sarah Michelle Gellar did an ad for a fast
>food chain.  There was some subsequent litigation and as a result
>she got banned from a chain.  This was disruptive as a little kid
>as birthday parties and such were held and she couldn't go.
>
>"...She subsequently appeared in a controversial television commercial 
>for Burger King, in which her character criticized McDonald's and 
>claimed to eat only at Burger King.[31] The ad led to a lawsuit 
>by McDonald's, naming Gellar and banning her from eating at the 
>food chain;[32][33] she recalled in a 2004 interview: "I wasn’t 
>allowed to eat there. It was tough because, when you’re a little 
>kid, McDonald’s is where all your friends have their birthday 
>parties, so I missed out on a lot of apple pies."
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Michelle_Gellar

I did not know that.  However it adds an additional twist the the
"Double-Meat Palace" episodes of Buffy.

On Monday, July 2, 2018 at 4:30:10 PM UTC-4, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 12:28:47 -0700 (PDT)
> hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> 
> > Years ago, young actress Sarah Michelle Gellar did an ad for a fast
> > food chain.  There was some subsequent litigation and as a result
> > she got banned from a chain.  This was disruptive as a little kid
> > as birthday parties and such were held and she couldn't go.
> 
> 	What a travesty of justice, an actor is not responsible for the
> lines they deliver or the character they portray whether it is in an advert
> or any other form of production especially a four year old actor.

In reading various actors' memories, it seems that sooner or later
they all get involved in some legal crap.  Admittedly, in some cases
the actor was sloppy about his personal affairs (e.g. George Carlin),
but obviously a little kid should not have been sued like that over
a silly commercial.