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On Jul 24, 1:12 pm, Peter Knutsen <pe...@sagatafl.invalid> wrote:
> Are there any good games about 20th century infantry tactics? I'm thinking
> squad/platoon-level, with emphasis on infantry and light weapons.

Wargames are discussed in:

  comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.war-historical

>
> I've read a little about the Close Combat series, but isn't
> that rather old?

I think Matrix updated CC.

www.matrixgames.com

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:12:43 +0200, Peter Knutsen
<peter@sagatafl.invalid> wrote:

>Are there any good games about 20th century infantry tactics? I'm thinking 
>squad/platoon-level, with emphasis on infantry and light weapons.

The Panzergrenadier series from Avalanche Press is quite good. Of
course, it's a board game.


Dav Vandenbroucke
davanden at cox dot net

Peter Knutsen <peter@sagatafl.invalid> wrote in
news:4888e239$0$90264$14726298@news.sunsite.dk: 

> Are there any good games about 20th century infantry tactics? I'm
> thinking squad/platoon-level, with emphasis on infantry and light
> weapons. 
> 
> I've read a little about the Close Combat series, but isn't that
> rather old? Would it even be able to run on Windows XP on a modern
> computer? Are there alternatives?
> 
> I don't specifically want real-time, but I find it difficult to
> imagine how turn-based could work, without reducing the number of
> units to too few... 
> 

There are none that are pure infantry. These should all interest you 
though.

http://www.battlefront.com/products/cmsf/

http://www.matrixgames.com/products/350/details/Close.Combat.-.Modern.Tac
tics

http://www.matrixgames.com/products/335/details/Close.Combat.-.Cross.of.I
ron

http://www.matrixgames.com/products/355/details/Panzer.Command:.Kharkov

This last one is pure turn based so may not interest you.

http://www.hpssims.com/Pages/products/SB/SBVietnam/SBVietnam.html

Peter Knutsen (peter@sagatafl.invalid) wrote:
: Are there any good games about 20th century infantry tactics? I'm thinking 
: squad/platoon-level, with emphasis on infantry and light weapons.

: I've read a little about the Close Combat series, but isn't that rather old? 
: Would it even be able to run on Windows XP on a modern computer? Are there 
: alternatives?

: I don't specifically want real-time, but I find it difficult to imagine how 
: turn-based could work, without reducing the number of units to too few...

The "Combat Mission" series use a system where combats are divided into
1-minute phases - commands are given to squads by each commander and the
outcome determined by an AI engine which isn't half bad.  Your opponent
can be another player head-to-head, by email, or another AI engine on
your PC.  You can view the outcome of your orders from almost unlimited
POVs.  The first 3 games (Beyond Overlord, Barbarossa to Berlin and
Afrika Korps) are WWII, the most recent (Shock Force) is more
contemporary.  I used to play Avalon Hill's "Squad Leader" and this is
every bit as good, on the PC.

Cheers,
Dave

James McTavish wrote:
>
> This last one is pure turn based so may not interest you.
> http://www.hpssims.com/Pages/products/SB/SBVietnam/SBVietnam.html

LOL, that's the only one that does.  :-)
--
TAZ

zircher <tzircher@yahoo.com> wrote in news:19095e8c-a23e-4b5f-86b5-
13e6e13c9ab6@i20g2000prf.googlegroups.com:

> LOL, that's the only one that does.  :-)
> --
> TAZ

Thought you wanted real time? The only one on my list that has a RT mode is 
Combat Mission:Shockforce. The others have a wego system which is almost 
like RT but done in time slices. Sqaud Battles are TB and they have more in 
that seires than the Vietnam one. I only pointed to that one because I have 
it and it is the first in the series. The problem with HPS games is you 
have to have them ship you a copy and they are expensive. You could go 
download PC:Kharkov and be playing in less than an hour after purchase. I 
really suggest you go get it now as I don't think it will dissapoint you. 
Only copy protection is serial number.

James McTavish wrote:
> zircher <tzircher@yahoo.com> wrote in news:19095e8c-a23e-4b5f-86b5-
> 13e6e13c9ab6@i20g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
>
>> LOL, that's the only one that does.  :-)
>> --
>> TAZ
>
> Thought you wanted real time? The only one on my list that has a RT
> mode is Combat Mission:Shockforce. The others have a wego system
> which is almost like RT but done in time slices. Sqaud Battles are TB
> and they have more in that seires than the Vietnam one. I only
> pointed to that one because I have it and it is the first in the
> series. The problem with HPS games is you have to have them ship you
> a copy and they are expensive. You could go download PC:Kharkov and
> be playing in less than an hour after purchase. I really suggest you
> go get it now as I don't think it will dissapoint you. Only copy
> protection is serial number.

I'm confused by his thinking that real-time makes it _easier_ to control 
more units.  That's the complete opposite of reality.

-- 
History Channel is showing 'Ice Road Truckers' as part of their
"American Originals" brand of shows.

'Ice Road Truckers' is a show about Canadian truck drivers.

(Sig life is directly related to amount of commentary received about
it.) 

"Dimensional Traveler" <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote in news:488ab217$0$17174
$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:

> I'm confused by his thinking that real-time makes it _easier_ to control 
> more units.  That's the complete opposite of reality.
> 

Maybe because in most RT games you can lasoo multiple units and have them 
all attack/retreat etc. RT is good only if it has pause and command feature 
IMO and there are very few RT tactical games that have any realistic unit 
data attached to them. They are mostly just based on hit points and that's 
it.

James McTavish wrote:
> "Dimensional Traveler" <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote in news:488ab217$0$17174
> $742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:
>>I'm confused by his thinking that real-time makes it _easier_ to control 
>>more units.  That's the complete opposite of reality.
> 
> Maybe because in most RT games you can lasoo multiple units and have them 
> all attack/retreat etc. RT is good only if it has pause and command feature 

Yes. The only way I can see that turn-based can work, at a reasonable speed, is 
if the units are fairly autonomous, especially if not given orders, or if they 
can be given conditional ordes such as "shoot if you see enemy uniforms".

> IMO and there are very few RT tactical games that have any realistic unit 
> data attached to them. They are mostly just based on hit points and that's 
> it.

I would want realism and lots of detail, yes. When playing traditional RTS games 
I don't bother much with combat anyway, preferring the focus on economy and base 
building. So this would be something very differet. Plus, I'm curious about and 
intersted in infantry tactics, so I figure I could learn a little from a good 
tactical game.

-- 
Peter Knutsen
sagatafl.org

Peter Knutsen <peter@sagatafl.invalid> wrote in
news:488b629e$0$90274$14726298@news.sunsite.dk: 

> I would want realism and lots of detail, yes. When playing traditional
> RTS games I don't bother much with combat anyway, preferring the focus
> on economy and base building. So this would be something very
> differet. Plus, I'm curious about and intersted in infantry tactics,
> so I figure I could learn a little from a good tactical game.
> 

Well, all the games I have listed are your best options so it's up to you 
to go buy one or two now.

> building. So this would be something very differet. Plus, I'm curious about and
> intersted in infantry tactics, so I figure I could learn a little from a good
> tactical game.

If your interested in learning tactics, Tacops was written by a USMC
Major.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacops

pauls2272@yahoo.com wrote:
>> building. So this would be something very differet. Plus, I'm curious about and
>> intersted in infantry tactics, so I figure I could learn a little from a good
>> tactical game.
> 
> If your interested in learning tactics, Tacops was written by a USMC
> Major.
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacops

James McTavish wrote:
> Well, all the games I have listed are your best options so it's up to you 
> to go buy one or two now.

Buy, or download the demo?

-- 
Peter Knutsen
sagatafl.org

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:12:43 +0200, Peter Knutsen
<peter@sagatafl.invalid> wrote:

>Are there any good games about 20th century infantry tactics? I'm thinking 
>squad/platoon-level, with emphasis on infantry and light weapons.
>
>I've read a little about the Close Combat series, but isn't that rather old? 
>Would it even be able to run on Windows XP on a modern computer? Are there 
>alternatives?
>
>I don't specifically want real-time, but I find it difficult to imagine how 
>turn-based could work, without reducing the number of units to too few...

For the record, close combat is pretty good, IMO. I'm sure it could be
obtained for squadoosh. Got a lot of legs out of CCIV.

Cheers,
Rod.

Peter Knutsen <peter@sagatafl.invalid> wrote in
news:488d4a8f$0$90272$14726298@news.sunsite.dk: 

> Buy, or download the demo?
> 

Combat Mission:Shock Force has a demo but it is a bit dated compared to the 
latest version so don't expect it to represent the final product. It had 
quite a lot of bugs when it was released but it is relatively bug free now.

http://www.battlefront.com/products/cmsf/downloads.html

Some of the other games have demos too so you will have to go look for them 
with google.

Le jeudi 24 juillet 2008 22:12:43 UTC+2, Peter Knutsen a écrit :
> Are there any good games about 20th century infantry tactics? I'm thinking 
> squad/platoon-level, with emphasis on infantry and light weapons.
> 
> I've read a little about the Close Combat series, but isn't that rather old? 
> Would it even be able to run on Windows XP on a modern computer? Are there 
> alternatives?
> 
> I don't specifically want real-time, but I find it difficult to imagine how 
> turn-based could work, without reducing the number of units to too few...
> 
> -- 
> Peter Knutsen
> sagatafl.org

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