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On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 03:25:05 +0300, "Andrew Rybenkov"
<aryb...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>it is in Polish but the charts are understandable.
>http://pclab.pl/art63999.html
>
>Shortly, performance is identical but a handful anomalies listed in the resume:
>http://pclab.pl/art63999-130.html
>
>
>So again, what is good in W10?
>
>-- 
>Andrew Rybenkov

DX12, which will be of no practical use in gaming for at least a year.

And the other ??good?? thing about Win10 is that it is Microsoft's
ultimate data-mining tool. 

The old adage "There is no such thing as a free lunch" rings so true
here. You did not expect a "free upgrade" from Microsoft without
$lucrative$ elements embedded (to MS and interested 3rd-parties), did
you ??

John Lewis

In article <op.x3dvf3qcowpbh0@obscureserver>, aryb...@gmail.com 
says...
> 
> it is in Polish but the charts are understandable.
> http://pclab.pl/art63999.html
> 
> Shortly, performance is identical but a handful anomalies listed in the resume:
> http://pclab.pl/art63999-130.html
> 
> 
> So again, what is good in W10?


Well all I can say is that on _my_ laptop Windows 8.1 boots considerably 
faster than Win10. That's not even mentioning that the first time I 
booted up the freshly installed and up-to-date Win10 it took 15-20 
minutes before I could use the machine because it deemed it necessary to 
download and install some more updates before I got to see the desktop.

Now if I'd been in the position that I need to get out of the house fast 
and do a quick banking transaction beforehand, I'd've been ever so 
pissed off. 

Still, something to keep in mind. Yes, you can disable the update 
service, but you can no longer choose to do this thorugh the control 
panel interface directly. There are lots of reports that even if you 
don't do the express install and disable all the spyware and backdoors 
they let you tick/untick, it still sends data home about every fsking 
thing you do, even if you open a new spreadsheet (there's  one bloke on 
Tomshardware who was watching volumes on his router and noting the 
difference in traffic between Win10 and another OS.)

So after a very short test run (36 hours) I uninstalled. I don't want 
countless backdoors into my system, and a lot of what I do is none of 
their business at all, even allowing for data mining about 'net 
activities. 

Back to 8.1. Now here's the clincher: ever since, when I turn on the 
computer and let update run, it tries to reinstall Windows 10. It does 
not give me the option, it just tries to do it. 

gee whizz, who would'a thunk.     -P.

On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 05:24:34 GMT, john...@frontier.com (John Lewis)
wrote:

>On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 03:25:05 +0300, "Andrew Rybenkov"
><aryb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>it is in Polish but the charts are understandable.
>>http://pclab.pl/art63999.html
>>
>>Shortly, performance is identical but a handful anomalies listed in the resume:
>>http://pclab.pl/art63999-130.html
>>
>>
>>So again, what is good in W10?
>>
>>-- 
>>Andrew Rybenkov
>
>DX12, which will be of no practical use in gaming for at least a year.

Although DX12 games are starting to emerge now, I wouldn't disagree
with this statement as written.  A year sounds about right.  I would
however add that there is no practical reason to defer an inevitable
upgrade to Windows 10 for a year either.  Nothing is really gained at
this point by staying on Windows 7-8.

>And the other ??good?? thing about Win10 is that it is Microsoft's
>ultimate data-mining tool. 
>The old adage "There is no such thing as a free lunch" rings so true
>here. You did not expect a "free upgrade" from Microsoft without
>$lucrative$ elements embedded (to MS and interested 3rd-parties), did
>you ??

The old adage damned if you do and damned if you don't rings true here
too.  People don't complain much when being data mined by Google (or I
should say the company previously known as Google since they changed
their name to Alphabet Inc.), and continue to use their search engine
and browser.

People extol the virtues of "open-source" without realizing that
pretty much all open source projects eventually end up either getting
purchased by some "evil" profit-seeking entity or fall into the
"data-mining ad-driven" category sooner or later.

Microsoft is modifying their business model to address the complaints
of whining users.

But, there's another adage that rings true:  "wherever you go, there
you are".  The whiners will be whiners no matter what OS they use.  I
try to push as many folks as can toward Linux but I keep seeing them
coming running the other way, crying with wet diapers about their
failed experiment.  The other option is to feed the Apple machine
(literally), and get free OS updates which increasingly make your
existing hardware obsolete, so you can buy more overpriced proprietary
hardware.  None of which play games reasonably well, coincidentally.

On 8/15/2015 4:47 AM, Peter Huebner wrote:
> In article <op.x3dvf3qcowpbh0@obscureserver>, aryb...@gmail.com
> says...
>>
>> it is in Polish but the charts are understandable.
>> http://pclab.pl/art63999.html
>>
>> Shortly, performance is identical but a handful anomalies listed in the resume:
>> http://pclab.pl/art63999-130.html
>>
>>
>> So again, what is good in W10?
>
>
> Well all I can say is that on _my_ laptop Windows 8.1 boots considerably
> faster than Win10. That's not even mentioning that the first time I
> booted up the freshly installed and up-to-date Win10 it took 15-20
> minutes before I could use the machine because it deemed it necessary to
> download and install some more updates before I got to see the desktop.
>
> Now if I'd been in the position that I need to get out of the house fast
> and do a quick banking transaction beforehand, I'd've been ever so
> pissed off.
>
> Still, something to keep in mind. Yes, you can disable the update
> service, but you can no longer choose to do this thorugh the control
> panel interface directly. There are lots of reports that even if you
> don't do the express install and disable all the spyware and backdoors
> they let you tick/untick, it still sends data home about every fsking
> thing you do, even if you open a new spreadsheet (there's  one bloke on
> Tomshardware who was watching volumes on his router and noting the
> difference in traffic between Win10 and another OS.)
>
> So after a very short test run (36 hours) I uninstalled. I don't want
> countless backdoors into my system, and a lot of what I do is none of
> their business at all, even allowing for data mining about 'net
> activities.
>
> Back to 8.1. Now here's the clincher: ever since, when I turn on the
> computer and let update run, it tries to reinstall Windows 10. It does
> not give me the option, it just tries to do it.
>
> gee whizz, who would'a thunk.     -P.
>
I've seen one report that Win10 logs every keystroke and that, at least 
so far, no one has been able to figure how to stop that or stop Win10 
sending that log to Microsoft.

As for stopping the automatic Win10 install, there is a specific Windows 
Update that you have to back out.  Sorry, I don't remember the KB number.

-- 
Veni, vidi, snarki.

On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 12:47:26 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:

>I've seen one report that Win10 logs every keystroke and that, at least 
>so far, no one has been able to figure how to stop that or stop Win10 
>sending that log to Microsoft.

lol...  FUD like that should be enough to secure Linux as  ..."the OS
Of Choice For Pedophiles Everywhere".  They can use that as their new
marketing tagline.

The penguin mascot could use an update -- it already looks a bit like
a phallic symbol, but maybe they could portray it molesting a baby
duckling or something.

Dimensional Traveler  <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
>I've seen one report that Win10 logs every keystroke and that, at least 
>so far, no one has been able to figure how to stop that or stop Win10 
>sending that log to Microsoft.

That's obviously untrue. 

Almost all of the privacy complaints about Windows 10 are actually the
result of people assuming that the data collection and relevant licence
terms that applied to the pre-release versions of Windows 10 also applied
to the release version of Windows 10.  Those prerelease versions reported
a bunch of stuff back to Microsoft so they could verify it was working
correctly and fix problems when it didn't.

As near as I can tell the release version of Windows 10 doesn't report
anything to Microsoft that the older versions of Windows do.

					Ross Ridge

-- 
 l/  //	  Ross Ridge -- The Great HTMU
[oo][oo]  rri...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca
-()-/()/  http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~rridge/ 
 db  //	  

On 8/15/2015 3:47 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 8/15/2015 4:47 AM, Peter Huebner wrote:
>> In article <op.x3dvf3qcowpbh0@obscureserver>, aryb...@gmail.com
>> says...
>>>
>>> it is in Polish but the charts are understandable.
>>> http://pclab.pl/art63999.html
>>>
>>> Shortly, performance is identical but a handful anomalies listed in
>>> the resume:
>>> http://pclab.pl/art63999-130.html
>>>
>>>
>>> So again, what is good in W10?
>>
>>
>> Well all I can say is that on _my_ laptop Windows 8.1 boots considerably
>> faster than Win10. That's not even mentioning that the first time I
>> booted up the freshly installed and up-to-date Win10 it took 15-20
>> minutes before I could use the machine because it deemed it necessary to
>> download and install some more updates before I got to see the desktop.
>>
>> Now if I'd been in the position that I need to get out of the house fast
>> and do a quick banking transaction beforehand, I'd've been ever so
>> pissed off.
>>
>> Still, something to keep in mind. Yes, you can disable the update
>> service, but you can no longer choose to do this thorugh the control
>> panel interface directly. There are lots of reports that even if you
>> don't do the express install and disable all the spyware and backdoors
>> they let you tick/untick, it still sends data home about every fsking
>> thing you do, even if you open a new spreadsheet (there's  one bloke on
>> Tomshardware who was watching volumes on his router and noting the
>> difference in traffic between Win10 and another OS.)
>>
>> So after a very short test run (36 hours) I uninstalled. I don't want
>> countless backdoors into my system, and a lot of what I do is none of
>> their business at all, even allowing for data mining about 'net
>> activities.
>>
>> Back to 8.1. Now here's the clincher: ever since, when I turn on the
>> computer and let update run, it tries to reinstall Windows 10. It does
>> not give me the option, it just tries to do it.
>>
>> gee whizz, who would'a thunk.     -P.
>>
> I've seen one report that Win10 logs every keystroke and that, at least
> so far, no one has been able to figure how to stop that or stop Win10
> sending that log to Microsoft.
>
> As for stopping the automatic Win10 install, there is a specific Windows
> Update that you have to back out.  Sorry, I don't remember the KB number.
>
  Its KB3035583..

D.

On Sun, 16 Aug 2015 01:16:10 -0400, Ross Ridge
<rri...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:

>Dimensional Traveler  <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
>>I've seen one report that Win10 logs every keystroke and that, at least 
>>so far, no one has been able to figure how to stop that or stop Win10 
>>sending that log to Microsoft.
>
>That's obviously untrue. 
>
>Almost all of the privacy complaints about Windows 10 are actually the
>result of people assuming that the data collection and relevant licence
>terms that applied to the pre-release versions of Windows 10 also applied
>to the release version of Windows 10.  Those prerelease versions reported
>a bunch of stuff back to Microsoft so they could verify it was working
>correctly and fix problems when it didn't.
>
>As near as I can tell the release version of Windows 10 doesn't report
>anything to Microsoft that the older versions of Windows do.

Most of the governmental departments that handle national security for
the USA run on Windows.  Granted they don't all tend to upgrade to the
latest version right away, but can you imagine the actual implications
of Microsoft making "keylogging everything with upload" a mandatory
feature of the OS?  Or the implications to corporate security?

It's amazing some of the shit these tin foil hat theorists come up
with sometimes.

Rin Stowleigh <rstow...@nevrhadgmail.com> looked up from reading the
entrails of the porn spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs
say:

>On Sun, 16 Aug 2015 01:16:10 -0400, Ross Ridge
><rri...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>
>>Dimensional Traveler  <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>I've seen one report that Win10 logs every keystroke and that, at least 
>>>so far, no one has been able to figure how to stop that or stop Win10 
>>>sending that log to Microsoft.
>>
>>That's obviously untrue. 
>>
>>Almost all of the privacy complaints about Windows 10 are actually the
>>result of people assuming that the data collection and relevant licence
>>terms that applied to the pre-release versions of Windows 10 also applied
>>to the release version of Windows 10.  Those prerelease versions reported
>>a bunch of stuff back to Microsoft so they could verify it was working
>>correctly and fix problems when it didn't.
>>
>>As near as I can tell the release version of Windows 10 doesn't report
>>anything to Microsoft that the older versions of Windows do.
>
>Most of the governmental departments that handle national security for
>the USA run on Windows.  Granted they don't all tend to upgrade to the
>latest version right away, but can you imagine the actual implications
>of Microsoft making "keylogging everything with upload" a mandatory
>feature of the OS?  Or the implications to corporate security?

Ah but they would be running the Enterprise edition of windows, not the
home consumer version.

Oh look, the Enterprise edition doesn't have the mandatory, "you will
install every update we push out, with zero control" system either.

Microsoft's been running a version for home and a version for business
for decades now Rin.
It's not a stretch that the home version would have "features" the
business version would not.

Xocyll
-- 

I don't particularly want you to FOAD, myself. You'll be more of 
a cautionary example if you'll FO And Get Chronically, Incurably, 
Painfully, Progressively, Expensively, Debilitatingly Ill. So 
FOAGCIPPEDI. -- Mike Andrews responding to an idiot in asr 

On 8/15/2015 10:16 PM, Ross Ridge wrote:
> Dimensional Traveler  <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
>> I've seen one report that Win10 logs every keystroke and that, at least
>> so far, no one has been able to figure how to stop that or stop Win10
>> sending that log to Microsoft.
>
> That's obviously untrue.
>
> Almost all of the privacy complaints about Windows 10 are actually the
> result of people assuming that the data collection and relevant licence
> terms that applied to the pre-release versions of Windows 10 also applied
> to the release version of Windows 10.  Those prerelease versions reported
> a bunch of stuff back to Microsoft so they could verify it was working
> correctly and fix problems when it didn't.
>
> As near as I can tell the release version of Windows 10 doesn't report
> anything to Microsoft that the older versions of Windows do.
>
> 					Ross Ridge
>
Links to a couple of articles on this.

http://localghost.org/posts/a-traffic-analysis-of-windows-10

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/even-when-told-not-to-windows-10-just-cant-stop-talking-to-microsoft/


-- 
Veni, vidi, snarki.

On 8/14/2015 5:25 PM, Andrew Rybenkov wrote:
>
> it is in Polish but the charts are understandable.
> http://pclab.pl/art63999.html
>
> Shortly, performance is identical but a handful anomalies listed in the
> resume:
> http://pclab.pl/art63999-130.html
>
>
> So again, what is good in W10?
>
Those of you who have had to resort to a "cracked" version of a game 
that you legally bought may be interested in this article about how 
"Microsoft has changed the terms of its License Agreement on Windows 10 
to allow it to sniff around and disable illegally obtained software or 
hardware."

http://www.fudzilla.com/news/38470-windows-10-sniffs-for-piracy

-- 
Veni, vidi, snarki.

Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote in news:55d20a20$0$1699
$742e...@news.sonic.net:

> On 8/14/2015 5:25 PM, Andrew Rybenkov wrote:
>>
>> it is in Polish but the charts are understandable.
>> http://pclab.pl/art63999.html
>>
>> Shortly, performance is identical but a handful anomalies listed in the
>> resume:
>> http://pclab.pl/art63999-130.html
>>
>>
>> So again, what is good in W10?
>>
> Those of you who have had to resort to a "cracked" version of a game 
> that you legally bought may be interested in this article about how 
> "Microsoft has changed the terms of its License Agreement on Windows 10 
> to allow it to sniff around and disable illegally obtained software or 
> hardware."
> 
> http://www.fudzilla.com/news/38470-windows-10-sniffs-for-piracy

Col. Meyers: What your assessment of this [OS]?

Gunny Highway: It's a clusterfuck.

Col. Meyers: Say again?

Gunny Highway: [People deserve user-friendliness], sir. They shouldn't be 
sitting around on their sorry asses and filling out request forms for 
equipment they should already have.

Col. Meyers: Intersting observation, Gunny. Carry on, Major.

-- Heartbrack Ridge

(What more is there to say?) ^_^

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 09:22:04 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:

>On 8/14/2015 5:25 PM, Andrew Rybenkov wrote:
>>
>> it is in Polish but the charts are understandable.
>> http://pclab.pl/art63999.html
>>
>> Shortly, performance is identical but a handful anomalies listed in the
>> resume:
>> http://pclab.pl/art63999-130.html
>>
>>
>> So again, what is good in W10?
>>
>Those of you who have had to resort to a "cracked" version of a game 
>that you legally bought may be interested in this article about how 
>"Microsoft has changed the terms of its License Agreement on Windows 10 
>to allow it to sniff around and disable illegally obtained software or 
>hardware."
>
>http://www.fudzilla.com/news/38470-windows-10-sniffs-for-piracy

The notion that anyone thinks MS cares about "cracked" games (not that
there is a legitimate reason for running any cracked title these days
anyway) is something you could only find on a site called FUDzilla.

Fear. Uncertainty. Doubt.

Sign right up and we'll serve ya some clickbait ads (which
coincidentally are tracking you) while giving you all the paranoia you
can handle :)

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 09:11:41 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:

>On 8/15/2015 10:16 PM, Ross Ridge wrote:
>> Dimensional Traveler  <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
>>> I've seen one report that Win10 logs every keystroke and that, at least
>>> so far, no one has been able to figure how to stop that or stop Win10
>>> sending that log to Microsoft.
>>
>> That's obviously untrue.
>>
>> Almost all of the privacy complaints about Windows 10 are actually the
>> result of people assuming that the data collection and relevant licence
>> terms that applied to the pre-release versions of Windows 10 also applied
>> to the release version of Windows 10.  Those prerelease versions reported
>> a bunch of stuff back to Microsoft so they could verify it was working
>> correctly and fix problems when it didn't.
>>
>> As near as I can tell the release version of Windows 10 doesn't report
>> anything to Microsoft that the older versions of Windows do.
>>
>> 					Ross Ridge
>>
>Links to a couple of articles on this.
>
>http://localghost.org/posts/a-traffic-analysis-of-windows-10

Do ya ever wonder about articles that start off with "Note: Some
readers have commented that the original source for the article is of
questionably validity"

and then... "Some Czech guy" ??

>http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/even-when-told-not-to-windows-10-just-cant-stop-talking-to-microsoft/

Peter Bright is a perfectly credible journalist and software developer
but he's not talking about keylogging all entry and phoning home with
it here.

>On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 03:25:05 +0300, "Andrew Rybenkov"
><aryb...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>So again, what is good in W10?


Unless you own an Xbox One, it's your only option for playing this!  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wexnjZ7fs8

(initially at least.  Look for it with pathetic control options on
your iPad in a year or two).

On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 08:00:05 +0300, Rin Stowleigh <rstow...@nevrhadgmail.com> wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wexnjZ7fs8

junk

-- 
Andrew Rybenkov

On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 13:31:32 +0300, "Andrew Rybenkov"
<aryb...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 08:00:05 +0300, Rin Stowleigh <rstow...@nevrhadgmail.com> wrote:
>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wexnjZ7fs8
>
>junk

Yeah?  What didn't you like about it when you played that made your
opinion so contrary to everyone else who has had their hands on it?

On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 18:20:25 +0300, Rin Stowleigh <rstow...@nevrhadgmail.com> wrote:

> What didn't you like about it when you played

I do not play trash. All that arcade crap was OK in 80s, not any more.


> that made your
> opinion so contrary to everyone else who has had their hands on it?

I do not care of everyone else opinion, I am far far away from teen age.


Of course if someone fall in childhood he might like Win10, or Angry Birds, or
Apple* diarrhea. Well it is a disease after all.

Sorry, Rin, I am unaffected by your trolling.


*Apple had interesting, innovative OS back there until they moved to Intel/Unix.

-- 
Andrew Rybenkov

On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 19:09:04 +0300, "Andrew Rybenkov"
<aryb...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 18:20:25 +0300, Rin Stowleigh <rstow...@nevrhadgmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What didn't you like about it when you played
>
>I do not play trash. All that arcade crap was OK in 80s, not any more.
>
>
>> that made your
>> opinion so contrary to everyone else who has had their hands on it?
>
>I do not care of everyone else opinion, I am far far away from teen age.
>
>
>Of course if someone fall in childhood he might like Win10, or Angry Birds, or
>Apple* diarrhea. Well it is a disease after all.
>
>Sorry, Rin, I am unaffected by your trolling.

Heh.  Sometimes I'm not sure if the things you say are unintentional
cases of kettle black or some comedy material Yakov Smirnov deemed as
not good enough for media and released into the public domain.

Ya know, some would say labeling games you've never played "junk" and
any game genre you don't like as "teen age" to be trolling.

Not to mention the assertion that only those with "failed childhoods"
will install Windows 10.  At least I think that's what you were trying
to say...

On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 20:07:19 +0300, Rin Stowleigh <rstow...@nevrhadgmail.com> wrote:

> Not to mention the assertion that only those with "failed childhoods"
> will install Windows 10.  At least I think that's what you were trying
> to say...

"falling in childhood" is a form of senile dementia.

-- 
Andrew Rybenkov

On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 00:00:06 +0300, "Andrew Rybenkov"
<aryb...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 20:07:19 +0300, Rin Stowleigh <rstow...@nevrhadgmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Not to mention the assertion that only those with "failed childhoods"
>> will install Windows 10.  At least I think that's what you were trying
>> to say...
>
>"falling in childhood" is a form of senile dementia.

Like a return to childhood due to old age?  Hmm..this must mean that
Angry Birds is a big hit in senior living homes.