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On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 22:34:12 +0300, "Andrew Rybenkov"
<aryb...@gmail.com> wrote:

>http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/08/05/windows-10-charging/


The "Hindu Shuffle" DLC addon for Solitaire should be out before
Christmas. ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylifviUQHrI

Seriously though, I think I'll take a free OS with the option to not
pay for shit I won't use any day.

On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 23:11:20 +0300, Rin Stowleigh <rstow...@nevrhadgmail.com> wrote:

> Seriously though, I think I'll take a free OS with the option to not
> pay for shit I won't use any day.

We will see in an year what hides behind the "free".

Anyway I will stick with W7. I really do not see any advantages in W10.

(If they said - yes we made a stable OS at last, it cannot be BSOD'ed by some
insignificant driver anymore, then it would be different case. But I am pretty sure
they are incapable of it.)

-- 
Andrew Rybenkov

On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 01:41:56 +0300, "Andrew Rybenkov"
<aryb...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 23:11:20 +0300, Rin Stowleigh <rstow...@nevrhadgmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Seriously though, I think I'll take a free OS with the option to not
>> pay for shit I won't use any day.
>
>We will see in an year what hides behind the "free".
>
>Anyway I will stick with W7. I really do not see any advantages in W10.
>
>(If they said - yes we made a stable OS at last, it cannot be BSOD'ed by some
>insignificant driver anymore, then it would be different case. But I am pretty sure
>they are incapable of it.)

I don't know why anyone looks at new OS releases as "what can it do
for me"?  

Software upgrades are a necessary part of life.  People don't really
like to change when something works as-is, but upgrades are necessary
and inevitable to advance technology.  

One of the primary advantages of Windows for gaming (DirectX 12) is
not going to be an advantage right now because games aren't written to
take advantage of it yet.  But, we can read enough to know the
performance benefits of DX12 are substantial, and know from history
that there will come a time when games will not work on anything less.

So, since Windows 10 is in your future anyway, what's the advantage to
waiting?  It is in a perfectly stable state right now.

I could understand waiting if it's a buggy mess.  I could understand
waiting if there were a reason to believe the cost would drop.

But, there is no cost, and it's not a buggy mess.  It's probably their
most stable OS to date and gives me far less trouble than OSX or
Ubuntu do.

The only people who really seem to be bad mouthing it are the people
who don't use it.

On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 19:20:31 -0400, Rin Stowleigh
<rstow...@nevrhadgmail.com> wrote:


>The only people who really seem to be bad mouthing it are the people
>who don't use it.

That's a ridiculously trite statement. Of course the people who aren't
using it are "badmouthing" it; they aren't using it are because they
don't like what it offers. Most of the people who /are/ using it are
doing so because they actively made a choice to upgrade because they
presumably like what they saw. But even that isn't true, because there
are a number of people who have made the upgrade who find the OS
unsatisfactory and are vocal about it as well. The number of people
"forced" onto Windows 10 (because that is what came with their new
computer) is vanishingly small at this point.

I've been running Win10 Preview on a VM and on an older laptop since
February and I have no intention of upgrading my primary machine to
the new version (and the laptop is now back to Win7). Between the loss
of control over my PC, the advertising, the spyware, the awful
interface and the uncertain future of Windows becoming "software as a
service" I've no intention of switching anytime soon. 

The lure of Dx12 just isn't enough to tempt me. In fact, Microsoft's
antics with their OS might be enough to give up on the Windows upgrade
path entirely. I'll just stick with Win7 until its no longer viable
and then find a new alternative (be it desktop Linux, SteamOS,
Android, MacOSX or whatever). My computer gaming library is rich
enough already and my non-gaming needs do not have any particularly
strenuous requirements. Moreso since there is a diminishing reward as
graphics improve; it is becoming increasingly apparent that the
graphical appeal of games has less to do with the number of polygons
you can throw at the screen and more to do with the artistry of the
developer. 

You like Windows 10, great. But to dismiss the concerns people have as
simply "badmouthing" the OS is unfair. There are valid complaints
about the system and the advantages of upgrading are few and - to many
- do little to counterbalance these issues.

On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 11:55:16 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson
<spallsh...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 19:20:31 -0400, Rin Stowleigh
><rstow...@nevrhadgmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>The only people who really seem to be bad mouthing it are the people
>>who don't use it.
>
>That's a ridiculously trite statement. Of course the people who aren't
>using it are "badmouthing" it; they aren't using it are because they
>don't like what it offers.

Then they are talking straight out of their asses.  They are making
decisions based on what hype-driven journalists have said, without
realizing that a journalists primary goal these days is to create
controversy and draw traffic to their click bait.

> Most of the people who /are/ using it are
>doing so because they actively made a choice to upgrade because they
>presumably like what they saw. 

Or they are just smart enough to realize that Win7 or whatever they'd
prefer to stick with is not going to be supported forever, and they
realize that it's better to upgrade while it's free than to
procrastinate, sit on their asses and hope Win10 goes away somehow.

>But even that isn't true, because there
>are a number of people who have made the upgrade who find the OS
>unsatisfactory and are vocal about it as well. 

And they certainly have a right to their opinion, but they fall
outside of the category of people described at the top of this post,
so that's a different story.

>The number of people
>"forced" onto Windows 10 (because that is what came with their new
>computer) is vanishingly small at this point.

>I've been running Win10 Preview on a VM and on an older laptop since
>February and I have no intention of upgrading my primary machine to
>the new version (and the laptop is now back to Win7). Between the loss
>of control over my PC, the advertising, the spyware, the awful
>interface and the uncertain future of Windows becoming "software as a
>service" I've no intention of switching anytime soon. 

The "spyware" is a myth.  As far as advertising, MS is trying a
business model that folks seem to respond positively to when Google is
offering it.  If that's what customers seem to want, then why not make
it an option?

>The lure of Dx12 just isn't enough to tempt me. 

It doesn't matter.  Unless you want to be forever shackled to playing
DX11 games, which will taper off in probably less than a year, and be
forever forbidden from playing new games, then I'd say you're kind of
screwed if your long-term plan is to avoid DX12.

>In fact, Microsoft's
>antics with their OS might be enough to give up on the Windows upgrade
>path entirely. 

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.  I'm sure you'll
find good company among the other folks that have been waiting 25
years or so for Linux or Mac to become a valid gaming platform.

I know I for one would like to see MS do as much as they can to filter
whiners away from the platform.  I'd love to see all the sniveling
complainers rounded up, thrown on an island with Linux to fend with.

>I'll just stick with Win7 until its no longer viable
>and then find a new alternative (be it desktop Linux, SteamOS,
>Android, MacOSX or whatever). 

 Good luck with that.  I'm going to hold you to this promise :)

On 8/6/2015 8:55 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 19:20:31 -0400, Rin Stowleigh
> <rstow...@nevrhadgmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> The only people who really seem to be bad mouthing it are the people
>> who don't use it.
>
> That's a ridiculously trite statement. Of course the people who aren't
> using it are "badmouthing" it; they aren't using it are because they
> don't like what it offers. Most of the people who /are/ using it are
> doing so because they actively made a choice to upgrade because they
> presumably like what they saw. But even that isn't true, because there
> are a number of people who have made the upgrade who find the OS
> unsatisfactory and are vocal about it as well. The number of people
> "forced" onto Windows 10 (because that is what came with their new
> computer) is vanishingly small at this point.
>
But growing quickly.  The latest news is that SysAdmins are complaining 
that even after MS told them they would control if/when all their 
Enterprise installations upgraded their networks are being slowed to a 
crawl by automatic downloads of the Win10 upgrade files.  Apparently all 
the pre-install files come to some 2 or 3 gigabytes for each and every 
machine.  When these are being pushed by MS to a LAN of 100+ 
workstations, even the fastest network is brought to a standstill for 
anything else.

-- 
Veni, vidi, snarki.

On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 17:40:59 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:

>On 8/6/2015 8:55 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
>> On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 19:20:31 -0400, Rin Stowleigh
>> <rstow...@nevrhadgmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> The only people who really seem to be bad mouthing it are the people
>>> who don't use it.
>>
>> That's a ridiculously trite statement. Of course the people who aren't
>> using it are "badmouthing" it; they aren't using it are because they
>> don't like what it offers. Most of the people who /are/ using it are
>> doing so because they actively made a choice to upgrade because they
>> presumably like what they saw. But even that isn't true, because there
>> are a number of people who have made the upgrade who find the OS
>> unsatisfactory and are vocal about it as well. The number of people
>> "forced" onto Windows 10 (because that is what came with their new
>> computer) is vanishingly small at this point.
>>
>But growing quickly.  The latest news is that SysAdmins are complaining 
>that even after MS told them they would control if/when all their 
>Enterprise installations upgraded their networks are being slowed to a 
>crawl by automatic downloads of the Win10 upgrade files.  Apparently all 
>the pre-install files come to some 2 or 3 gigabytes for each and every 
>machine.  When these are being pushed by MS to a LAN of 100+ 
>workstations, even the fastest network is brought to a standstill for 
>anything else.

Haven't they been doing that a bit at a time for many months though?
And I believe it is only where the sysadmins have left the update
policy to default on those machines.  I'm sure there are a lot of
organizations with way more than 100 workstations being upgraded.

But yes, Windows 10 adoption will be much faster than prior versions.

There are always going to be some folks standing in the train tracks
demanding that the oncoming train come to a halt, but that's why they
call them technology roadkill.