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On 6/28/2013 8:24 AM, Tanzen wrote:
> Does anyone know if Elder Scrolls Online is going to have ridiculously
> complex graphics so that most video cards overheat running it?
>
> I noticed that this is the new trend in gaming and am wondering if
> Bethesda is going to follow suit.
>
> For those who don't know about this, the sign of a modern video game is
> the video card fan spinning at full blast.  I have an NVidia GeForce 450
> silent card, yet still the rest of the fans in my computer go crazy
> spinning to cool things down.
>
> I remember the days when there used to be the occasional elegant video
> game which decided that instead of decimating the envelope of polygon
> technology, to work from within what is possible on a computer.
> Basically a game which prized performance over bleeding edge.  I think
> this kind of thing is extinct now, because developers know gamers would
> prefer to hear a full blast video card fan than a quality video game
> soundtrack.
>
> Julian
>

 From a leaked vid it seems like the graphics were kind of retro.  That 
is, the character looked almost painted and a bit crude - but in a good 
way.  I dont think you will have a problem except when there are maximum 
characters onscreen maybe.

Tanzen  <waldby...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Does anyone know if Elder Scrolls Online is going to have ridiculously 
>complex graphics so that most video cards overheat running it?

If your video card actually overheats, that is it excedes its maximum
operating temperature, then there's something wrong with your system,
not the game.

>I noticed that this is the new trend in gaming and am wondering if 
>Bethesda is going to follow suit.

In general, games have always tried to exploit available CPU and GPU
resources to the maximum extent possible.  What's new is that modern
video cards, and to a lesser extent CPUs, can use much more power and
generate much more heat than they used to.  They're also much better
at not using as much power when it isn't necessary, so when they're not
being exploited to their full potential they generate less heat.

Or to put it another way, what's changed is that it used to be that video
cards and CPUs had fans that always ran at 100% speed, but because they
were small never generated that much noise.  Now CPUs and video cards
come with much bigger and noisier fans, but don't since they don't run
at 100% unless necessary they're much quieter when idle.

In most cases, having your fans running at 100% when playing game isn't
a bad thing.  If your fans never run at 100% then you're likely never
fully exploiting your system, and you've wasted your money buying a more
powerful computer than you actually need.

That said, the Elder Scrolls Online, like most MMORPGs will likely be
targeted at a wide range of PCs.  You should be able to turn down the
graphics to the minimum, enable vsync or a frame limiter and keep it
from using more than fraction on your computer's capabilities.

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On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 08:24:00 -0600, Tanzen <waldby...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Does anyone know if Elder Scrolls Online is going to have ridiculously 
>complex graphics so that most video cards overheat running it?
>
>I noticed that this is the new trend in gaming and am wondering if 
>Bethesda is going to follow suit.
>
>For those who don't know about this, the sign of a modern video game is 
>the video card fan spinning at full blast.  I have an NVidia GeForce 450 
>silent card, yet still the rest of the fans in my computer go crazy 
>spinning to cool things down.
>
>I remember the days when there used to be the occasional elegant video 
>game which decided that instead of decimating the envelope of polygon 
>technology, to work from within what is possible on a computer. 
>Basically a game which prized performance over bleeding edge.  I think 
>this kind of thing is extinct now, because developers know gamers would 
>prefer to hear a full blast video card fan than a quality video game 
>soundtrack.
>
>Julian

If your CPU is overheating and you're not overclocking, you need to do
something about your airflow or perhaps look into a dust issue.  In
many of my systems I've seen the CPU start getting to 90-100C in
games, then I get out the compressed air and get the dust off the
heatsink and it drops to 60C.

If your GPU is overheating and you're not overclocking, the above
could apply but you might just look into getting a better video card.

My current GTX690 is the fastest single card nVidia solution you can
buy, yet there's probably nothing you can throw at it to push it much
past 55C even with moderate air cooling.

Modern systems run cooler than ever yet do much more.  If you have a
heat problem its your PC and not the games.

I would expect any Online MMO Game to have fairly modest demands.
They need to satisfy a wide range of users systems.
Ideally the games graphics should be adjustable over a wide range.

Graphic cards seem to push the heat up for performance whilst
keeping the Fan speed down to avoid noise more than any other part of the 
system.

There are utilities that will set the Fan at a higher (cooler) level.
Also there are Frame Limiters in such utilities so the max frame rate
can be set lower (cooler).
There are some games e.g.- Civilization V - Adventures Of Van Helsing -
that push up a really excessive & unnecessarily high (hot) frame rate .
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>Does anyone know if Elder Scrolls Online is going to have ridiculously 
>complex graphics so that most video cards overheat running it?
>
>I noticed that this is the new trend in gaming and am wondering if 
>Bethesda is going to follow suit.

Unlikely.

>For those who don't know about this, the sign of a modern video game is 
>the video card fan spinning at full blast.  I have an NVidia GeForce 450 
>silent card, yet still the rest of the fans in my computer go crazy 
>spinning to cool things down.

So you have a card that was a midrange card almost 3 years ago and you
wonder why it struggles a bit with new games?

Is it actually the video card producing the heat or the CPU(s)?  
Modern games use a lot of both.

>I remember the days when there used to be the occasional elegant video 
>game which decided that instead of decimating the envelope of polygon 
>technology, to work from within what is possible on a computer. 
>Basically a game which prized performance over bleeding edge.  I think 
>this kind of thing is extinct now, because developers know gamers would 
>prefer to hear a full blast video card fan than a quality video game 
>soundtrack.

You don't have to crank all the graphics up or all the other settings.
There aren't that many games which don't let YOU tweak the settings you
play with, so if you CHOOSE to max out everything, then there's only one
source of blame for the noise.

I can't remember the last time I heard my Video cards fan (not sure I
ever have actually.)


Not knowing your system or the environment in which you play, there's
many reasons why you might get noise:

Small fans instead of large fans so they have to spin faster to move the
same amount of air.
Small case with less airflow potential and more heat buildup.
Hot environment where the temp outside the computer isn't that different
from the temp inside meaning a lot more air has to be moved to provide
adequate cooling.

Variable speed fans instead of fixed rate.
Yes a variable speed fan at idle is quieter than a fixed rate fan, BUT
you can never get used to it.  The drone of a fixed rate fan, even a
loudish one gets filtered out by your ears after a while and you stop
noticing it - a variable rate fan is always changing pitch and is thus
always intrusive at anything but idle (and sometimes even at idle.)

If noise bothers you that much, ditch the fans altogether and go water
cooled or get a full tower case that holds a lot of large fans (120mm
minimum)and fill it with fairly quiet fixed rate fans for maximum
cooling.

Xocyll