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TranMan (b...@cdc3.cdc.net) wrote:
: Does anyone knows how to put Assault Rigs in 640x480 mode?  I have
: tried running vesa driver (uv_config.exe) for my diamond Stealth dram
: 64 and it still does work in that mode.  The manual doesn't even
: mentioned anything about 640x480 but the box does (it says Vesa
: compliant Cards recommended for HI-colour or 24 bit modes).
: Thanks...

HI-colour and 16-bit modes do not imply 640x480, they just refer to the 
number of colours. 16-bit is 64,000 colours.

-- Rich

BAD NEWS!!!

320x200 is as good as it gets!  I know...I know - the box says 640x480
24bit color but the LIE LIE LIE!  I called Psygnosis and after the
customary hour on hold I was told WHAT I SEE IS WHAT I GET to which I
promptly replied - SORRY - YOU JUST LOST A SALE then I proceeded to
return it to Electronics Boutique and bought Cyberia 2 instead (a much
better game anyway)

Up to this point I had been under the impression that PC versions of
PlayStation games were better but NO WAY!!!  That same day I also
bought Destruction Derby and WipeOut.   Now I have all 3 of these
games for PlayStation so I know HOW GOOD they are (can be) so I had
really high hopes for the PC versions.   THEY ALL SUCKED!!!!!!

All were 320x200 blocky graphics - no transparent smoke so when you
fired a missile you lost your vision - CD-Audio music and WORST WORST
of all the MAIN REASON I bought these games were all for MULTI-PLAYER
and come to find out there is NO MODEM support - only serial link and
network play - and Wipeout made you send in for the Multi-Player
upgrade - yeah right!!!   Without modem play - these games are as
worthless for multi-player play as the PSX versions - after all who is
gonna haul their PSX and 27" TV over to your house to play games - the
same people who will bring over their Pentium and 17" monitor to play
serial games - NO ONE!!!!!

My advice to you is to return Rigs and STAY WAY from direct ports of
home video games.  Of course if you do not have a PlayStation THEN GO
BUY ONE because the games cannot be beat or duplicated.  In fact some
PC games are being ported to PSX that are EVEN better than their PC
counterparts - namely DESCENT - CREATURE SHOCK - JOURNEYMAN PROJECT
and many more.  I now wait to find out if a title is scheduled for
release on PSX before I purchase the PC version because it will always
be worth the wait for the PSX version.



On Tue, 16 Apr 1996 21:52:37 GMT, b...@cdc3.cdc.net (TranMan) wrote:

>Does anyone knows how to put Assault Rigs in 640x480 mode?  I have
>tried running vesa driver (uv_config.exe) for my diamond Stealth dram
>64 and it still does work in that mode.  The manual doesn't even
>mentioned anything about 640x480 but the box does (it says Vesa
>compliant Cards recommended for HI-colour or 24 bit modes).
>Thanks...

On 17 Apr 1996 18:31:01 GMT, sjoh...@sable.ox.ac.uk (Richard Wang)
wrote:

>
>TranMan (b...@cdc3.cdc.net) wrote:
>: Does anyone knows how to put Assault Rigs in 640x480 mode?  I have
>: tried running vesa driver (uv_config.exe) for my diamond Stealth dram
>: 64 and it still does work in that mode.  The manual doesn't even
>: mentioned anything about 640x480 but the box does (it says Vesa
>: compliant Cards recommended for HI-colour or 24 bit modes).
>: Thanks...
>
>HI-colour and 16-bit modes do not imply 640x480, they just refer to the 
>number of colours. 16-bit is 64,000 colours.
>
>-- Rich

The box says "640x480 Hicolour" and the pictures shown are svga.   The
vga version sucks as far as color and resolution.  I don't like
wasting my time with games without SVGA.

b...@cdc3.cdc.net (TranMan) wrote:

>On 17 Apr 1996 18:31:01 GMT, sjoh...@sable.ox.ac.uk (Richard Wang)
>wrote:

>>
>>TranMan (b...@cdc3.cdc.net) wrote:
>>: Does anyone knows how to put Assault Rigs in 640x480 mode?  I have
>>: tried running vesa driver (uv_config.exe) for my diamond Stealth dram
>>: 64 and it still does work in that mode.  The manual doesn't even
>>: mentioned anything about 640x480 but the box does (it says Vesa
>>: compliant Cards recommended for HI-colour or 24 bit modes).
>>: Thanks...
>>
>>HI-colour and 16-bit modes do not imply 640x480, they just refer to the 
>>number of colours. 16-bit is 64,000 colours.
>>
>>-- Rich

>The box says "640x480 Hicolour" and the pictures shown are svga.   The
>vga version sucks as far as color and resolution.  I don't like
>wasting my time with games without SVGA.

 This sucks. I've wanted Assault Rigs for the longest time (ever since
it game out on the PSX) and for some reason, it has yet to show up in
Canada. Wipeout and  Destruction Derby took an extremely long time to
show up here too. All made my Py..... I'm not even going to try and
spell it. I hope this doesn't happen with the PC release of Twisted
Metal. I really want that game too! Or has it already shown up in the
US?

On Wed, 17 Apr 1996 20:04:49 GMT, t...@skyenet.net (Mark Smith) wrote:


>My advice to you is to return Rigs and STAY WAY from direct ports of
>home video games.  Of course if you do not have a PlayStation THEN GO
>BUY ONE because the games cannot be beat or duplicated.  In fact some
>PC games are being ported to PSX that are EVEN better than their PC
>counterparts - namely DESCENT - CREATURE SHOCK - JOURNEYMAN PROJECT
>and many more.  I now wait to find out if a title is scheduled for
>release on PSX before I purchase the PC version because it will always
>be worth the wait for the PSX version.

The PC port of Destruction Derby is quite good, Wipeout and Assault
Rigs are not.  But the games "cannot be beat"?  Wipeout is good, DD
and Assault Rigs are yawn-a-thons.  Staying away from console ports
should be a rule, why get one of those when you can get a game made
specifically for the PC's abilities?  Duke Nukem, Wing Commander IV,
etc.

And Creature Shock and Journeyman Project?!? ROTFL!  Creature Shock is
a streamed-video off of CD game, worthless.  JourneyMan project is
years old, it's a slow moving point and lick adventure you twit.  And
who cares about Descent when PC users are playing Descent _2_ right
now in 640*480? How that modem play coming on the PSX?  How about
editing levels? How's the control with that gamepad?  Yep, always wait
for the PSX version eh?  Idiot.

On Sun, 21 Apr 1996 21:27:44 GMT, dav...@interlog.com (Dave Glue)
wrote:

>On Wed, 17 Apr 1996 20:04:49 GMT, t...@skyenet.net (Mark Smith) wrote:
>
>
>>My advice to you is to return Rigs and STAY WAY from direct ports of
>>home video games.  Of course if you do not have a PlayStation THEN GO
>>BUY ONE because the games cannot be beat or duplicated.  In fact some
>>PC games are being ported to PSX that are EVEN better than their PC
>>counterparts - namely DESCENT - CREATURE SHOCK - JOURNEYMAN PROJECT
>>and many more.  I now wait to find out if a title is scheduled for
>>release on PSX before I purchase the PC version because it will always
>>be worth the wait for the PSX version.
>
>The PC port of Destruction Derby is quite good, Wipeout and Assault
>Rigs are not.  But the games "cannot be beat"?  Wipeout is good, DD
>and Assault Rigs are yawn-a-thons.  Staying away from console ports
>should be a rule, why get one of those when you can get a game made
>specifically for the PC's abilities?  Duke Nukem, Wing Commander IV,
>etc.
>
>And Creature Shock and Journeyman Project?!? ROTFL!  Creature Shock is
>a streamed-video off of CD game, worthless.  JourneyMan project is
>years old, it's a slow moving point and lick adventure you twit.  And
>who cares about Descent when PC users are playing Descent _2_ right
>now in 640*480? How that modem play coming on the PSX?  How about
>editing levels? How's the control with that gamepad?  Yep, always wait
>for the PSX version eh?  Idiot.
>
>
Creature Shock is a totally remade Special Edition for PSX so don't
flame what you don't know.  Journeyman Project is a special Director's
Cut which cannot even compare to the PC version.  If you have Buried
in Time you can see a QuickTime Movie of the PSX version that will
blow you away.  Descent was totally overhauled for PSX and looks tons
better than the PC version - even looks better than Descent II and
Interplay is working on a PSX port for Descent II which will
undoubtable make the PC version pale in comparison. 

My control with the gamepad is just fine thank you - I have something
called manual-dexterity - apparently something you lack.  Modem
Play....level editing.....hmmm...got me there but then who really
cares....

As I recall the PSX -> PC ports so far do not have modem play - ONLY
shitty link-up cable support - yeah right!   My same friends who will
lug their TV and PSX over to my house are just liable to haul their PC
setup over too.   Level Editing - big deal - I'm usually burned out on
a game by the time I finish the built-in levels.  Why prolong the
agony when I can move on to something bigger and better.

My original post was only warning consumers about PSX ports to PC and
informing them of some cool upcoming titles for the PSX.  Speaking of
cool upcoming titles - DUKE Nukem 3D is officially announced as a PSX
conversion of late 96/early 97 release.  If the PSX version is as good
as the PSX DOOM version then it should crush the PC version.

I'm not cutting down the PC or PC Games - I have over 700 PC games
including 220+ CDROM titles.  I only have 18 PSX games - the numbers
speak for themselves.

In article <DqBM...@iquest.net>, Mark Smith <t...@skyenet.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 21 Apr 1996 21:27:44 GMT, dav...@interlog.com (Dave Glue)
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 17 Apr 1996 20:04:49 GMT, t...@skyenet.net (Mark Smith) wrote:
>>
>>
>cool upcoming titles - DUKE Nukem 3D is officially announced as a PSX
>conversion of late 96/early 97 release.  If the PSX version is as good
>as the PSX DOOM version then it should crush the PC version.

Duke 3D for PSX ain't gonna be that great.  Duke 3D Reg'd will be out in 
1-2 weeks for PC, and we'll probably getting a lot of good user hacked 
levels.  Where will those be on the PSX?  Sure the PSX may have some 
graphic improvements but the replaybility value will be 
nil..besides...anyone really wanting Duke3D will be getting it for their PC..



>
>I'm not cutting down the PC or PC Games - I have over 700 PC games
>including 220+ CDROM titles.  I only have 18 PSX games - the numbers
>speak for themselves.
>
>

t...@skyenet.net (Mark Smith) wrote:

>My original post was only warning consumers about PSX ports to PC and
>informing them of some cool upcoming titles for the PSX.  Speaking of
>cool upcoming titles - DUKE Nukem 3D is officially announced as a PSX
>conversion of late 96/early 97 release.  If the PSX version is as good
>as the PSX DOOM version then it should crush the PC version.

Yeah... right... sadly consoles do not have enough memory to make
games like DooM as good as the PC version. DooM for PSX was good but
came nowhere near the original version. I have played Descent for PSX
and franckly it doesn't even come close to Descent 2 on a Pentium. As
for Duke... Duke on PSX will have a LOT less textures and by that time
most of the PC gamers will be playing Quake anyway. Buy a PSX or a
Saturn for games that are not available on PC like Tekken of Virtua
Fighter!


Dizzy




* Sig under construction *

Dave Glue wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 17 Apr 1996 20:04:49 GMT, t...@skyenet.net (Mark Smith) wrote:
> 
> >My advice to you is to return Rigs and STAY WAY from direct ports of
> >home video games.  Of course if you do not have a PlayStation THEN GO
> >BUY ONE because the games cannot be beat or duplicated.  In fact some
> >PC games are being ported to PSX that are EVEN better than their PC
> >counterparts - namely DESCENT - CREATURE SHOCK - JOURNEYMAN PROJECT
> >and many more.  I now wait to find out if a title is scheduled for
> >release on PSX before I purchase the PC version because it will always
> >be worth the wait for the PSX version.
> 
> The PC port of Destruction Derby is quite good, Wipeout and Assault
> Rigs are not.  But the games "cannot be beat"?  Wipeout is good, DD
> and Assault Rigs are yawn-a-thons.  Staying away from console ports
> should be a rule, why get one of those when you can get a game made
> specifically for the PC's abilities?  Duke Nukem, Wing Commander IV,
> etc.
> 
> And Creature Shock and Journeyman Project?!? ROTFL!  Creature Shock is
> a streamed-video off of CD game, worthless.  JourneyMan project is
> years old, it's a slow moving point and lick adventure you twit.  And
> who cares about Descent when PC users are playing Descent _2_ right
> now in 640*480? How that modem play coming on the PSX?  How about
> editing levels? How's the control with that gamepad?  Yep, always wait
> for the PSX version eh?  Idiot.


	WOO HOOO strike one up for the PC! You said it dude, these 
console players always doggin the PC. When a console system comes out 
with some type of storage and expandability then it would be worth 
playing some games.

Bobby Krimen wrote:

> 
> Duke 3D for PSX ain't gonna be that great.  Duke 3D Reg'd will be out in
> 1-2 weeks for PC, and we'll probably getting a lot of good user hacked
> levels.  Where will those be on the PSX?  Sure the PSX may have some
> graphic improvements but the replaybility value will be
> nil..besides...anyone really wanting Duke3D will be getting it for their PC..
> 

Not to mention the fact that Duke runs really well in 800x600 mode (on 
a P133 or P166). I'd like to see a Play-station do that.

I can't believe people are so brainwashed by slick PSX adverts. The 
games (all of them) on the PSX are so _shallow_ in their concepts and 
ideas that their replay value, for anyone with a brain, is virtually 
nil.

I recently tried Assault Rigs on the PC -- while it looked nice, sounded 
nice, etc., the conept behind it was so silly, so pointless (collect the 
jewels before you get blown up) it amounts to nothing more than a VR 
version of Pac Man. Who needs that?

J.

Who care about replay - by the time I blast through 28 levels by
myself and then with various opponents in Deathmatch I will be ready
for INTO THE SHADOWS or PREY or maybe an ALPHA of QUAKE!!


On 24 Apr 1996 16:09:04 -0700, h...@crl.com (Bobby Krimen) wrote:

>In article <DqBM...@iquest.net>, Mark Smith <t...@skyenet.net> wrote:
>>On Sun, 21 Apr 1996 21:27:44 GMT, dav...@interlog.com (Dave Glue)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 17 Apr 1996 20:04:49 GMT, t...@skyenet.net (Mark Smith) wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>cool upcoming titles - DUKE Nukem 3D is officially announced as a PSX
>>conversion of late 96/early 97 release.  If the PSX version is as good
>>as the PSX DOOM version then it should crush the PC version.
>
>Duke 3D for PSX ain't gonna be that great.  Duke 3D Reg'd will be out in 
>1-2 weeks for PC, and we'll probably getting a lot of good user hacked 
>levels.  Where will those be on the PSX?  Sure the PSX may have some 
>graphic improvements but the replaybility value will be 
>nil..besides...anyone really wanting Duke3D will be getting it for their PC..
>
>
>
>>
>>I'm not cutting down the PC or PC Games - I have over 700 PC games
>>including 220+ CDROM titles.  I only have 18 PSX games - the numbers
>>speak for themselves.
>>
>>
>
>

	I just have a quick question for the console-crowd:
many of the games I'm gettin for my PC these days have memory
requirements like 8MB's minimum, 16MB recommended, yet I hear
consoles have only something like 4MB or RAM? How can consoles
run games like Mechwarrior w/only 4MB of memory? DOS doesn't use
up THAT much memory!

On 26 Apr 1996, William Lane wrote:

> 	I just have a quick question for the console-crowd:
> many of the games I'm gettin for my PC these days have memory
> requirements like 8MB's minimum, 16MB recommended, yet I hear
> consoles have only something like 4MB or RAM? How can consoles
> run games like Mechwarrior w/only 4MB of memory? DOS doesn't use
> up THAT much memory!
> 
> 
>Actually the console only have about 2megs of ram.


	Mash 

On 26 Apr 1996 00:44:51 GMT, wl...@csulb.edu (William Lane) wrote:

>	I just have a quick question for the console-crowd:
>many of the games I'm gettin for my PC these days have memory
>requirements like 8MB's minimum, 16MB recommended, yet I hear
>consoles have only something like 4MB or RAM? How can consoles
>run games like Mechwarrior w/only 4MB of memory? DOS doesn't use
>up THAT much memory!

Depends on the game.  Doom for example, didn't have any arch-viles in
the PSX version because there likely wasn't enough memory to allow for
the ressurection of characters and it had fewer overall textures as
well.  TopGun on the PSX, while  being a somewhat-simplistic
simulation on the PC, is basically an Afterburner-clone shoot-em-up on
the PSX.

It's not the same as a PC having 2 megs of memory (which is what these
consoles really have, 2 megs for main, 1.5 for video, 512k for sound)
as many graphic routines are in ROM's, there's a very minimal OS, most
(99%)  games are in low-res (320*224/240), and programmers simply work
harder.  But it does restrict the type of game you can get, which is
why they are usually tailored for arcade-style experiences.  One PSX
user was boasting that Duke was coming to the PSX (eventually-
whatever that means), you will bet it will have quite a few features
missing from the PC version- no matter how good the programmers are,
There simply isn't enough ram to duplicate all the texures and
animation in Duke, which is plenty.  The PSX is a fine machine, but
neither console nor PC can completely replace each other at this
point.

Mark Smith wrote:
> 
> Who care about replay - by the time I blast through 28 levels by
> myself and then with various opponents in Deathmatch I will be ready
> for INTO THE SHADOWS or PREY or maybe an ALPHA of QUAKE!!
> 

Well in that case, Richie Rich, why not snail-mail me all this software 
you so masterfully complete in no time? Since you obviously don't care 
about money, and all...

t...@skyenet.net (Mark Smith) wrote:

->blow you away.  Descent was totally overhauled for PSX and looks tons
->better than the PC version - even looks better than Descent II and

"Totally overhauled"? It has some more lightning effects, and that's
about it.

->Interplay is working on a PSX port for Descent II which will
->undoubtable make the PC version pale in comparison. 

Unless, of course, the PSX version runs only in lores. 640x480 Descent 2
runs quite smoothly on my machine (I was a bit suprised it did, as the
original Descent (in hires) did not). The graphics are superb.

->My control with the gamepad is just fine thank you - I have something
->called manual-dexterity - apparently something you lack.  Modem

I recall I couldn't go up/down (without moving the nose of the ship)
in PSX Descent. IMO makes the game unplayable.

->informing them of some cool upcoming titles for the PSX.  Speaking of
->cool upcoming titles - DUKE Nukem 3D is officially announced as a PSX
->conversion of late 96/early 97 release.  If the PSX version is as good
->as the PSX DOOM version then it should crush the PC version.

Again: unless, of course, PSX only runs it in lores. And how does
the PSX version of Doom "crush" the years-old PC Doom?

-- 
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Any news on the hd remake that's been independently developed by fans since 2010?

On Wed, 8 Feb 2017 01:56:20 -0800 (PST), zan...@gmail.com wrote:

>Any news on the hd remake that's been independently developed by fans since 2010?

Well, I just learned that some fans are making a remake of Assault
Rigs. That's about all I know about the project. ;-)

You might be better off going to the developer's website for more
information. http://rigsdevelopment.wordpress.com 

As much as I love Usenet, even I am reluctantly forced to admit that
c.s.i.p.g.a is not the place to go for /news/ about games anymore.

It's still an awesome place to /discuss/ those games, however.