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On Sun, 16 Nov 2014 20:42:57 +0100, "Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum>
wrote:

>Finally I made it to ilvl 610.  So I wanted to queue for a heroic, but 
>couldnt because I have to do Proving Grounds on silver!!!
>
>FUCK YOU BLIZZARD!
>
>Pardon my french...  But implementing a pvp aspect in the legendary 
>questline in MoP was a huge sign of stupidity.  It's the same with this 
>PG requirement. :(
>
>My arcane mage can barely make it to round 7.  Round 8 is a no-go even 
>if I use hero...

You can just form a group the old-fashioned way, no requirements on
queueing that way. Also surprised you can't clear it, since my bf
managed it at 590, while being a bit of a noob, frankly, I was shocked
he did it, maybe just easier for his class though! Not expecting to
get there easily myself, haven't even bothered trying yet...

Den 16-11-2014 21:01, Catriona R skrev:
>
> On Sun, 16 Nov 2014 20:42:57 +0100, "Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum>
> wrote:
>
>> Finally I made it to ilvl 610.  So I wanted to queue for a heroic, but
>> couldnt because I have to do Proving Grounds on silver!!!
>>
>> FUCK YOU BLIZZARD!
>>
>> Pardon my french...  But implementing a pvp aspect in the legendary
>> questline in MoP was a huge sign of stupidity.  It's the same with this
>> PG requirement. :(
>>
>> My arcane mage can barely make it to round 7.  Round 8 is a no-go even
>> if I use hero...
>
> You can just form a group the old-fashioned way, no requirements on
> queueing that way. Also surprised you can't clear it, since my bf
> managed it at 590, while being a bit of a noob, frankly, I was shocked
> he did it, maybe just easier for his class though! Not expecting to
> get there easily myself, haven't even bothered trying yet...

After 8 attempts I finally did it.  Yes, you are right.  I can form a 
group by the traditional way.  But that limits my gearing progression as 
we will raid as soon as possible.
I remember I seriously struggled with the gold medal in MoP.  Arcane is 
almost forbidden in Proving Grounds so I used my frost spec.  Round 4 
and 7 on gold really tickled my temper.  I couldnt even get past round 4 
on Endless. -.-

I shine in raids on three classes.  But here I have to get past a part 
of the game that has NOTHING to do with dungeons or raids!  And I suck 
at Proving Grounds...

-- 
Peter T.

<https://www.elitedangerous.com/>

On Sun, 16 Nov 2014 21:13:17 +0100, "Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum>
wrote:

>Den 16-11-2014 21:01, Catriona R skrev:
>>
>> On Sun, 16 Nov 2014 20:42:57 +0100, "Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Finally I made it to ilvl 610.  So I wanted to queue for a heroic, but
>>> couldnt because I have to do Proving Grounds on silver!!!
>>>
>>> FUCK YOU BLIZZARD!
>>>
>>> Pardon my french...  But implementing a pvp aspect in the legendary
>>> questline in MoP was a huge sign of stupidity.  It's the same with this
>>> PG requirement. :(
>>>
>>> My arcane mage can barely make it to round 7.  Round 8 is a no-go even
>>> if I use hero...
>>
>> You can just form a group the old-fashioned way, no requirements on
>> queueing that way. Also surprised you can't clear it, since my bf
>> managed it at 590, while being a bit of a noob, frankly, I was shocked
>> he did it, maybe just easier for his class though! Not expecting to
>> get there easily myself, haven't even bothered trying yet...
>
>After 8 attempts I finally did it.  Yes, you are right.  I can form a 
>group by the traditional way.  But that limits my gearing progression as 
>we will raid as soon as possible.
>I remember I seriously struggled with the gold medal in MoP.  Arcane is 
>almost forbidden in Proving Grounds so I used my frost spec.  Round 4 
>and 7 on gold really tickled my temper.  I couldnt even get past round 4 
>on Endless. -.-

I couldn't even do silver in MoP, the ilvl scaling meant I went from
zero problems with mana to just plain zero mana. Absolutely impossible
to get past bronze as a healer, I hope the scaling has been improved
this time out.

>I shine in raids on three classes.  But here I have to get past a part 
>of the game that has NOTHING to do with dungeons or raids!  And I suck 
>at Proving Grounds...

Well if you've got a guild to raid with, you don't need it anyway,
you've got a whole guild full of people to group with and you'll be
outgearing heroics in no time :-) It's people like me who really need
it, since group finder is my endgame...

Catriona R <catrion...@totalise.co.uk> wrote in
news:ccsh...@mid.individual.net: 

> 
> On Sun, 16 Nov 2014 21:13:17 +0100, "Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum>
> wrote:
> 
>>Den 16-11-2014 21:01, Catriona R skrev:
>>>
>>> On Sun, 16 Nov 2014 20:42:57 +0100, "Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Finally I made it to ilvl 610.  So I wanted to queue for a heroic,
>>>> but couldnt because I have to do Proving Grounds on silver!!!
>>>>
>>>> FUCK YOU BLIZZARD!
>>>>
>>>> Pardon my french...  But implementing a pvp aspect in the legendary
>>>> questline in MoP was a huge sign of stupidity.  It's the same with
>>>> this PG requirement. :(
>>>>
>>>> My arcane mage can barely make it to round 7.  Round 8 is a no-go
>>>> even if I use hero...
>>>
>>> You can just form a group the old-fashioned way, no requirements on
>>> queueing that way. Also surprised you can't clear it, since my bf
>>> managed it at 590, while being a bit of a noob, frankly, I was
>>> shocked he did it, maybe just easier for his class though! Not
>>> expecting to get there easily myself, haven't even bothered trying
>>> yet... 
>>
>>After 8 attempts I finally did it.  Yes, you are right.  I can form a 
>>group by the traditional way.  But that limits my gearing progression
>>as we will raid as soon as possible.
>>I remember I seriously struggled with the gold medal in MoP.  Arcane
>>is almost forbidden in Proving Grounds so I used my frost spec.  Round
>>4 and 7 on gold really tickled my temper.  I couldnt even get past
>>round 4 on Endless. -.-
> 
> I couldn't even do silver in MoP, the ilvl scaling meant I went from
> zero problems with mana to just plain zero mana. Absolutely impossible
> to get past bronze as a healer, I hope the scaling has been improved
> this time out.
> 
>>I shine in raids on three classes.  But here I have to get past a part
>>of the game that has NOTHING to do with dungeons or raids!  And I suck
>>at Proving Grounds...
> 
> Well if you've got a guild to raid with, you don't need it anyway,
> you've got a whole guild full of people to group with and you'll be
> outgearing heroics in no time :-) It's people like me who really need
> it, since group finder is my endgame...
> 

Ditto. I'm NOT looking forward to this.

pt

Cryptoengineer <pete...@gmail.com> wrote in 
news:XnsA3E7D19...@216.166.97.131:

> Catriona R <catrion...@totalise.co.uk> wrote in
> news:ccsh...@mid.individual.net: 
> 
>> 
>> On Sun, 16 Nov 2014 21:13:17 +0100, "Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>>Den 16-11-2014 21:01, Catriona R skrev:
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 16 Nov 2014 20:42:57 +0100, "Peter T." <pinoc10
@hotmail.cum>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Finally I made it to ilvl 610.  So I wanted to queue for a heroic,
>>>>> but couldnt because I have to do Proving Grounds on silver!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> FUCK YOU BLIZZARD!
>>>>>
>>>>> Pardon my french...  But implementing a pvp aspect in the 
legendary
>>>>> questline in MoP was a huge sign of stupidity.  It's the same with
>>>>> this PG requirement. :(
>>>>>
>>>>> My arcane mage can barely make it to round 7.  Round 8 is a no-go
>>>>> even if I use hero...
>>>>
>>>> You can just form a group the old-fashioned way, no requirements on
>>>> queueing that way. Also surprised you can't clear it, since my bf
>>>> managed it at 590, while being a bit of a noob, frankly, I was
>>>> shocked he did it, maybe just easier for his class though! Not
>>>> expecting to get there easily myself, haven't even bothered trying
>>>> yet... 
>>>
>>>After 8 attempts I finally did it.  Yes, you are right.  I can form a 
>>>group by the traditional way.  But that limits my gearing progression
>>>as we will raid as soon as possible.
>>>I remember I seriously struggled with the gold medal in MoP.  Arcane
>>>is almost forbidden in Proving Grounds so I used my frost spec.  
Round
>>>4 and 7 on gold really tickled my temper.  I couldnt even get past
>>>round 4 on Endless. -.-
>> 
>> I couldn't even do silver in MoP, the ilvl scaling meant I went from
>> zero problems with mana to just plain zero mana. Absolutely 
impossible
>> to get past bronze as a healer, I hope the scaling has been improved
>> this time out.
>> 
>>>I shine in raids on three classes.  But here I have to get past a 
part
>>>of the game that has NOTHING to do with dungeons or raids!  And I 
suck
>>>at Proving Grounds...
>> 
>> Well if you've got a guild to raid with, you don't need it anyway,
>> you've got a whole guild full of people to group with and you'll be
>> outgearing heroics in no time :-) It's people like me who really need
>> it, since group finder is my endgame...
>> 
> 
> Ditto. I'm NOT looking forward to this.

Just found something even worse. The Proving Grounds seem to be
glitched. I took my ilvl 592, lvl 99 lock to the White Tiger Temple,
and while he could complete Bronze with little difficulty - it didn't 
stick - he didn't get the achievement, nor was it recorded. Silver
was not offered.

pt

On Sun, 16 Nov 2014 22:48:16 -0600, Cryptoengineer
<pete...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Just found something even worse. The Proving Grounds seem to be
>glitched. I took my ilvl 592, lvl 99 lock to the White Tiger Temple,
>and while he could complete Bronze with little difficulty - it didn't 
>stick - he didn't get the achievement, nor was it recorded. Silver
>was not offered.

Silver isn't available until lvl 100, and you might need to be 100 for
the achievement, maybe? I got achievement for bronze and was offered
silver last night anyway... didn't try silver though as I didn't find
the last wave of bronze at all easy - think I need to improve my gear
a little first, I'm still wearing more than half my old gear from 90
lol, goes to show decent gear does last a while, I guess!

Catriona R <catrion...@totalise.co.uk> wrote in news:cctqt7Fhu2dU1
@mid.individual.net:

> 
> On Sun, 16 Nov 2014 22:48:16 -0600, Cryptoengineer
> <pete...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>Just found something even worse. The Proving Grounds seem to be
>>glitched. I took my ilvl 592, lvl 99 lock to the White Tiger Temple,
>>and while he could complete Bronze with little difficulty - it didn't 
>>stick - he didn't get the achievement, nor was it recorded. Silver
>>was not offered.
> 
> Silver isn't available until lvl 100, and you might need to be 100 for
> the achievement, maybe? I got achievement for bronze and was offered
> silver last night anyway... didn't try silver though as I didn't find
> the last wave of bronze at all easy - think I need to improve my gear
> a little first, I'm still wearing more than half my old gear from 90
> lol, goes to show decent gear does last a while, I guess!
> 

I'm now standing at lvl 100  and ilvl 610, and I'd *really* like to
do the 10th anniversery event. 

I've been trying the Silver DPS PG event all evening. I get through 6/8 
pretty regularly, and have got to the 8th round once. I'm getting better,
and may well be able to do it.

The question is, can I do it in time to run some heroics, get my ilvl up
to 615, and run the anniversary event? Seems unlikely.

pt

Den 22-11-2014 07:03, Cryptoengineer skrev:

> The question is, can I do it in time to run some heroics, get my ilvl up
> to 615, and run the anniversary event? Seems unlikely.

The event lasts until 4/1/15.  Plenty of time. :)

-- 
Peter T.

<https://www.elitedangerous.com/>

On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 00:03:37 -0600, Cryptoengineer
<pete...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Catriona R <catrion...@totalise.co.uk> wrote in news:cctqt7Fhu2dU1
>@mid.individual.net:
>
>> 
>> On Sun, 16 Nov 2014 22:48:16 -0600, Cryptoengineer
>> <pete...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>Just found something even worse. The Proving Grounds seem to be
>>>glitched. I took my ilvl 592, lvl 99 lock to the White Tiger Temple,
>>>and while he could complete Bronze with little difficulty - it didn't 
>>>stick - he didn't get the achievement, nor was it recorded. Silver
>>>was not offered.
>> 
>> Silver isn't available until lvl 100, and you might need to be 100 for
>> the achievement, maybe? I got achievement for bronze and was offered
>> silver last night anyway... didn't try silver though as I didn't find
>> the last wave of bronze at all easy - think I need to improve my gear
>> a little first, I'm still wearing more than half my old gear from 90
>> lol, goes to show decent gear does last a while, I guess!
>> 
>
>I'm now standing at lvl 100  and ilvl 610, and I'd *really* like to
>do the 10th anniversery event. 
>
>I've been trying the Silver DPS PG event all evening. I get through 6/8 
>pretty regularly, and have got to the 8th round once. I'm getting better,
>and may well be able to do it.
>
>The question is, can I do it in time to run some heroics, get my ilvl up
>to 615, and run the anniversary event? Seems unlikely.

The event goes on until January, in any case you don't need to do any
heroics to reach 615, I'm 617 and not even done any normals since
Auchindoun, there's other ways to get gear :-) Craft a 640, buy a 630
from Apexis Crystals, get the first part of legendary ring which only
needs normal dungeons, etc :-)

Catriona R <catrion...@totalise.co.uk> wrote in news:cdbkf5F65veU1
@mid.individual.net:

> 
> On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 00:03:37 -0600, Cryptoengineer
> <pete...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>Catriona R <catrion...@totalise.co.uk> wrote in 
news:cctqt7Fhu2dU1
>>@mid.individual.net:
>>
>>> 
>>> On Sun, 16 Nov 2014 22:48:16 -0600, Cryptoengineer
>>> <pete...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>Just found something even worse. The Proving Grounds seem to be
>>>>glitched. I took my ilvl 592, lvl 99 lock to the White Tiger Temple,
>>>>and while he could complete Bronze with little difficulty - it 
didn't 
>>>>stick - he didn't get the achievement, nor was it recorded. Silver
>>>>was not offered.
>>> 
>>> Silver isn't available until lvl 100, and you might need to be 100 
for
>>> the achievement, maybe? I got achievement for bronze and was offered
>>> silver last night anyway... didn't try silver though as I didn't 
find
>>> the last wave of bronze at all easy - think I need to improve my 
gear
>>> a little first, I'm still wearing more than half my old gear from 90
>>> lol, goes to show decent gear does last a while, I guess!
>>> 
>>
>>I'm now standing at lvl 100  and ilvl 610, and I'd *really* like to
>>do the 10th anniversery event. 
>>
>>I've been trying the Silver DPS PG event all evening. I get through 
6/8 
>>pretty regularly, and have got to the 8th round once. I'm getting 
better,
>>and may well be able to do it.
>>
>>The question is, can I do it in time to run some heroics, get my ilvl 
up
>>to 615, and run the anniversary event? Seems unlikely.
> 
> The event goes on until January, in any case you don't need to do any
> heroics to reach 615, I'm 617 and not even done any normals since
> Auchindoun, there's other ways to get gear :-) Craft a 640, buy a 630
> from Apexis Crystals, get the first part of legendary ring which only
> needs normal dungeons, etc :-)
> 

That's a relief - I thought it ended Sunday night.

I really need to do the Silver PG anyway - it's a gating issue to
most of the end game content.

I wonder why Bliz decided to put this in - did they feel that too
many toons were being 'carried' in LFR? Since they normalize ilvl
etc in the PG, they're a pure LTP barrier; unskilled toons can't
get through regardless of their gear.

This is a problem for me, since I've generally been a bit low
on my dps, and relied on grinding gear to keep up.

pt

On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 13:11:07 -0600, Cryptoengineer
<pete...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Catriona R <catrion...@totalise.co.uk> wrote in news:cdbkf5F65veU1
>@mid.individual.net:
>> The event goes on until January, in any case you don't need to do any
>> heroics to reach 615, I'm 617 and not even done any normals since
>> Auchindoun, there's other ways to get gear :-) Craft a 640, buy a 630
>> from Apexis Crystals, get the first part of legendary ring which only
>> needs normal dungeons, etc :-)
>
>That's a relief - I thought it ended Sunday night.
>
>I really need to do the Silver PG anyway - it's a gating issue to
>most of the end game content.
>
>I wonder why Bliz decided to put this in - did they feel that too
>many toons were being 'carried' in LFR? Since they normalize ilvl
>etc in the PG, they're a pure LTP barrier; unskilled toons can't
>get through regardless of their gear.

LFR isn't affected by it, only 5-man heroics - the idea is two paths:
normals > LFR and heroics > higher end raiding. So if you only plan to
LFR, don't bother, nothing important is gated behind it, except the
legendary ring, and whatever, that can wait anyway, no way I plan to
try heroic 5-mans till I'm way better geared.

>This is a problem for me, since I've generally been a bit low
>on my dps, and relied on grinding gear to keep up.

I'm similar, but it's better than it was, at least, in that mobs scale
up to your gear, instead of gear scaling down to the mobs - that made
the healer one just plain impossible in moP. Haven't tried it now and
frankly, won't bother till my stats are better optimised, at present
they're all over the place, but I imagine I won't find it that easy
anyway, I prefer to outgear things slightly.

On Mon, 17 Nov 2014 08:45:26 +0000, Catriona R
<catrion...@totalise.co.uk> wrote:

>Silver isn't available until lvl 100, and you might need to be 100 for
>the achievement, maybe? I got achievement for bronze and was offered
>silver last night anyway... didn't try silver though as I didn't find
>the last wave of bronze at all easy - think I need to improve my gear
>a little first, I'm still wearing more than half my old gear from 90
>lol, goes to show decent gear does last a while, I guess!

So I finally tried silver, heh, that was a lot less hard than I
expected, mana was running rather low by the end (no chance to drink
between waves) but still, down first time. Didn't think it worth
trying gold yet, but may give it a shot when I get my stats better
sorted, my gear is a long way from optimal at present!

Den 22-11-2014 20:11, Cryptoengineer skrev:

> I wonder why Bliz decided to put this in - did they feel that too
> many toons were being 'carried' in LFR? Since they normalize ilvl
> etc in the PG, they're a pure LTP barrier; unskilled toons can't
> get through regardless of their gear.

I wonder why too as PG has nothing to do with dungeons and raids.
I can see only one reason to put this in and that is forcing unskilled 
players to learn using interrupts, CCs, silence, stuns etc. which is 
pretty vital in heroics atm.

In most heroics you have two options; nuke mobs and bosses (prolly a 
fail option) or control the fights.  If you decide to use the nuke 
strategy you need well-geared peeps with super-high dps and brains as 
your healer will either oom asap or struggle with enough healing.
I personally prefer controlling the HC fights with interrupts and CCs. 
And if everybody knows how to do this it will be a painless run as the 
dps literally wont be a matter here.

-- 
Peter T.

<https://www.elitedangerous.com/>

On Sun, 23 Nov 2014 05:19:13 +0100, "Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum>
wrote:

>I wonder why too as PG has nothing to do with dungeons and raids.

The dps one might not but the healer one is exactly like a 5-man
dungeon (with a chainpulling tank who doesn't let me drink lol), very
useful for practicing with actually, I'll make much more use of it now
it doesn't scale me down and change the feel of playing my character.
Been reading up on holy priests and how they've changed, apparently
glyphed Binding Heal is ideal for 5-mans, and that's one spell I
usually forget exists, so I spent my whole run reminding myself to use
it as much as possible and get that keybind memorised!

I must say that Proving Grounds is unrealistic in one way though: the
NPCs actually move out of the fire without waiting for several ticks
first ;-)

>I can see only one reason to put this in and that is forcing unskilled 
>players to learn using interrupts, CCs, silence, stuns etc. which is 
>pretty vital in heroics atm.
>
>In most heroics you have two options; nuke mobs and bosses (prolly a 
>fail option) or control the fights.  If you decide to use the nuke 
>strategy you need well-geared peeps with super-high dps and brains as 
>your healer will either oom asap or struggle with enough healing.
>I personally prefer controlling the HC fights with interrupts and CCs. 
>And if everybody knows how to do this it will be a painless run as the 
>dps literally wont be a matter here.

Yep, I think they wanted to make heroics a little more challenging
this time, and wanted to gate it in some way that involved proving the
player has some degree of capability of playing their class, so they
don't end up with pugs being wipefests, which is the usual result of
any level of difficulty. I actually don't mind it, the healer one was
alright, made me think a bit, but it was certainly possible enough,
and quite interesting to do. 

it has everything to do with raids,dungeons and pvp...pg teaches/forces you to learn all aspects of the character you are playing.