🚀 go-pugleaf

This on oceanic, about 5 hours into the 10 hour announced downtime.

The blizzard loader updates about 500M, goes into file reorganisation
glitches and restarts a few times, probably not planned.
I didn't time it but probably half an hour of churning.

Then plays a cinematic and then you have the new load screen and V6.0.2

On 14/10/2014 1:23 PM, Catriona R wrote:

> Annoyingly this also means it's not available to warlocks with no
> spec, and that's not a lot of fun for my ironman warlock - thankfully
> you can summon a fresh voidwalker at full health before the old one
> dies but I prefer fighting mobs, not chainsummoning voidwalkers while
> my one and only dot ticks...! Yes, I realise it's an extremely
> minority playstyle ;-)
>
>>     Loot is no longer automatically deposited to the player�s inventory after defeating a boss in personal loot mode. Players eligible to receive loot should now be able to loot the boss to see what they received.
>
> Eep, I forsee this leading to a LOT of people complaining they got no
> loot! Had no idea this one was coming till I read the note, anyone who
> doesn't see this note will wonder where their loot is... not a great
> idea to change it after 3 years of us being trained to get loot
> automatically and wait for the popup to tell us what we got!
>
>>     In the event a character that�s eligible but was unable to loot the boss, contents of what they would have received is automatically mailed to the them.
>
> Ah, ok, that'll reduce the complaints, will still be people shouting
> about it before they check the mailbox though!
Loot drops have been very buggy lately, I keep clicking on the mob, 
nothing happens, a minute later 'you WON'

>>     Provided additional safeguards to prevent accidental PvP flagging.
>>         Non-PvP flagged players are unable to heal or damage PvP flagged players unless they manually flag themselves for PvP combat.
>
> This is awesome, however one word of warning; you still get flagged if
> a pvp-enabled guard attacks you, so be wary of getting too near
> opposite faction towns... other than that, it's great, exactly what
> I've wanted for the last 9+ years!

Oh joy, no more getting flagged by a bit of stray aoe, well a bit less, 
they will probably find a way.
   [ why don't pvp freaks just go to pvp servers? ]
Pity about the high geared people who want to play dragging a few elites 
mob over you
particularly the high aoe timeless ones, then dropping agro or just 
letting the aoe they can handle carve up the lowby alts then grab the 
mobs for themselves.
Horde well, okay, years of pavlovian propaganda , but allies?
'okay, thats the fifth time, are you trying to get me killed?'
'serves you right for stealing my mobs noob &^^% off'
very sadmaking for us noobs

>> Items listed for sale on the Alliance, Horde, and neutral auction houses have now been combined together on a per-realm basis.
>
> My very Horde-heavy realm will benefit from that no end - at least,
> Alliance side will anyway. prices there are very messed up, some
> things are anything up to 10 times as expensive due to lack of supply,
> others are worthless due to no demand!
AH has gone pretty much insane the last weeks anyway, double the items 
at fire sale prices, nobody really knows what it is going to settle down 
to. Yes, larger market will hopefully settle things down, supply and 
demand doesn't really go well with hoarding and speculation.
I know it does a bit but supply works better if things are stable, mess 
it up and you get damaging oscillations.
Add in the prof changes and it could take months for any new model to 
emerge.

AH has 50k items/stacks 1k-2k are mine, I don't think there are actually 
a lot of people playing the AH as a game. Sort of solitaire and virtual 
tetris, or something :-)

Some items are 10% what was normal, some are 1000%. Speculation, 
hope,fear,dice rolling, psychology, nothing reliable.

On 15/10/2014 12:10 AM, | || ||| ||||| || | wrote:
> This on oceanic, about 5 hours into the 10 hour announced downtime.
>
> The blizzard loader updates about 500M, goes into file reorganisation
> glitches and restarts a few times, probably not planned.
> I didn't time it but probably half an hour of churning.
>
> Then plays a cinematic and then you have the new load screen and V6.0.2
>
I am pretty sure my graphics has been set to primary screen 1280x720, 
good and low for most things
  It was HD and settings were high or ultra, apart from a few of the 
things I can't see much difference for a high load anyway

Still no realms yet, so looks like they are using the full 10 hours.

 From the patch notes
'newly boosted characters start on the front line in Blasted lands'
though slightly realistic starting chars on the front with no talents 
set etc will have a high initial attrition rate

Guild levels gone, roll an unguilded alt if you don't have one, maybe 
make a packet for signs. I keep one free for signs, it just holds 
timeless gear ,christmas decorations and fireworks.
Although 4 signs is a lot easier to get anyway, 50 gold a sign , 300 g 
and you have it done. Assuming 50% just take the gold and laugh.
If they stay I usually give more gold and gear anyway to the honourable 
people :-)

| || ||| ||||| || | <|||||||||||||||||||||> wrote in news:543d4a3f$0$20371
$b1db1813$e2fc...@news.astraweb.com:

> On 15/10/2014 12:10 AM, | || ||| ||||| || | wrote:
>> This on oceanic, about 5 hours into the 10 hour announced downtime.
>>
>> The blizzard loader updates about 500M, goes into file reorganisation
>> glitches and restarts a few times, probably not planned.
>> I didn't time it but probably half an hour of churning.
>>
>> Then plays a cinematic and then you have the new load screen and V6.0.2
>>
> I am pretty sure my graphics has been set to primary screen 1280x720, 
> good and low for most things
>   It was HD and settings were high or ultra, apart from a few of the 
> things I can't see much difference for a high load anyway
> 
> Still no realms yet, so looks like they are using the full 10 hours.
> 
>  From the patch notes
> 'newly boosted characters start on the front line in Blasted lands'
> though slightly realistic starting chars on the front with no talents 
> set etc will have a high initial attrition rate
> 
> Guild levels gone, roll an unguilded alt if you don't have one, maybe 
> make a packet for signs. I keep one free for signs, it just holds 
> timeless gear ,christmas decorations and fireworks.
> Although 4 signs is a lot easier to get anyway, 50 gold a sign , 300 g 
> and you have it done. Assuming 50% just take the gold and laugh.
> If they stay I usually give more gold and gear anyway to the honourable 
> people :-)

Patch downloaded for me without issue. The bigger problem is addons. Most
of mine have not updated though DBM has, thank goodness.

Probably won't get to play until the evening.

pt

On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 11:15:52 -0500, Cryptoengineer
<pete...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Patch downloaded for me without issue. The bigger problem is addons. Most
>of mine have not updated though DBM has, thank goodness.
>
>Probably won't get to play until the evening.

Addons are always a headache, I expect to find several of mine dead
and have to hunt for replacements, always happens with major patches,
especially as I tend to use less mainstream addons a lot. On the plus
side, I'm used to playing addon-free on the beta realms now so I'll
just disable the lot and gradually replace them over the next few
days.

I see US realms have a 1 hour extension, wonder how long EU
maintenance will end up being tomorrow... at least any major bugs will
have been found and fixed by that time!

On 15/10/2014 2:45 AM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
> | || ||| ||||| || | <|||||||||||||||||||||> wrote in news:543d4a3f$0$20371
> $b1db1813$e2fc...@news.astraweb.com:
>
>> On 15/10/2014 12:10 AM, | || ||| ||||| || | wrote:
>>> This on oceanic, about 5 hours into the 10 hour announced downtime.
>>>
>>> The blizzard loader updates about 500M, goes into file reorganisation
>>> glitches and restarts a few times, probably not planned.
>>> I didn't time it but probably half an hour of churning.
>>>
>>> Then plays a cinematic and then you have the new load screen and V6.0.2
>>>
>> I am pretty sure my graphics has been set to primary screen 1280x720,
>> good and low for most things
>>    It was HD and settings were high or ultra, apart from a few of the
>> things I can't see much difference for a high load anyway
>>
>> Still no realms yet, so looks like they are using the full 10 hours.
>>
>>   From the patch notes
>> 'newly boosted characters start on the front line in Blasted lands'
>> though slightly realistic starting chars on the front with no talents
>> set etc will have a high initial attrition rate
>>
>> Guild levels gone, roll an unguilded alt if you don't have one, maybe
>> make a packet for signs. I keep one free for signs, it just holds
>> timeless gear ,christmas decorations and fireworks.
>> Although 4 signs is a lot easier to get anyway, 50 gold a sign , 300 g
>> and you have it done. Assuming 50% just take the gold and laugh.
>> If they stay I usually give more gold and gear anyway to the honourable
>> people :-)
>
> Patch downloaded for me without issue. The bigger problem is addons. Most
> of mine have not updated though DBM has, thank goodness.
>
> Probably won't get to play until the evening.

It is up but I have to do some driving :-(
So just a quick try, I can stop anytime :-)

Loader says 6.0.2  live Play
After logging in I have to choose realms again
then I guess 'suggest realm' button? Yes.
See mine, select,  'incompatible'  wtf?
logout of loader.
restart
Ahh..downloading more content. 16MB
Did that, now  'the download program is preparing to start'
nothing, still stuck
stop, restart
Game playable, no downloads
now it goes to login
Tadah! character selection
'you are running a new version and have interface modifications that are 
out of date'
Disable
...Ohh
good
grief
My humans, they look...where is a bucket ?
Okay, 'disable'
Well there it is
Popup of what's changed,request button to start Quests for patch events.

Accept, just accepts, no location change.

FPS is  higher, I guess the graphics..but it is very jumpy, not smooth.
Talents are intact,but glyphs are messed, some new glyphs, buttons are 
all over the place and missing.
Omg, the numbers, they are so small :-)


This will take a while, so go out and fly around
still very jumpy on the graphics
No , that's it , they have all gone panda yompity
bleeerch

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On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 08:22:08 +1030, | || ||| ||||| || |
<|||||||||||||||||||||> wrote:

>...Ohh
>good
>grief
>My humans, they look...where is a bucket ?

Yeah... not sure if you have male or female humans but that's
certainly my reaction to the male and I'm not impressed by female
either. My original main is a human male, and I feel so upset logging
off him tonight, the last time he'll be as he should be... I'll have
to find a transmog set with a full face-covering helm I think - I've
always left helm off on him until now :-(

>FPS is  higher, I guess the graphics..but it is very jumpy, not smooth.
>Talents are intact,but glyphs are messed, some new glyphs, buttons are 
>all over the place and missing.
>Omg, the numbers, they are so small :-)

I got used to the numbers surprisingly fast on beta, sure feels like
it takes ages to kill stuff though, but maybe that's just an illusion,
or down to be having crap gear compared with my live main.

On 15/10/2014 8:36 AM, Catriona R wrote:
>
> On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 08:22:08 +1030, | || ||| ||||| || |
> <|||||||||||||||||||||> wrote:
>
>> ...Ohh
>> good
>> grief
>> My humans, they look...where is a bucket ?
>
> Yeah... not sure if you have male or female humans but that's
> certainly my reaction to the male and I'm not impressed by female
> either. My original main is a human male, and I feel so upset logging
> off him tonight, the last time he'll be as he should be... I'll have
> to find a transmog set with a full face-covering helm I think - I've
> always left helm off on him until now :-(
All are male
The first character was a human male engineer warrior
I have absolutely no imagination between rl and virtual life.

System->advanced and turn of 'new character models'  makes the chunder 
inducing animations a bit better.
It seems a lot jumpier even though the fps is still high, but it is very 
spiky just in the city.


>> FPS is  higher, I guess the graphics..but it is very jumpy, not smooth.
>> Talents are intact,but glyphs are messed, some new glyphs, buttons are
>> all over the place and missing.
>> Omg, the numbers, they are so small :-)
>
> I got used to the numbers surprisingly fast on beta, sure feels like
> it takes ages to kill stuff though, but maybe that's just an illusion,
> or down to be having crap gear compared with my live main.

All my stats seem to be wrong, like the wrong +stats for what counts
off to reforge..oh ..yeah that's right.
The 450 engineer trinket is better stats than the timeless trinket, good 
think I kept them. My characters don't get much instance based development.
The timeless book etc seem quite op, should make grinding a bit easier.

I will probably get used to it, in time, maybe.

On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 09:24:44 +1030, | || ||| ||||| || |
<|||||||||||||||||||||> wrote:

>On 15/10/2014 8:36 AM, Catriona R wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 08:22:08 +1030, | || ||| ||||| || |
>> <|||||||||||||||||||||> wrote:
>>
>>> ...Ohh
>>> good
>>> grief
>>> My humans, they look...where is a bucket ?
>>
>> Yeah... not sure if you have male or female humans but that's
>> certainly my reaction to the male and I'm not impressed by female
>> either. My original main is a human male, and I feel so upset logging
>> off him tonight, the last time he'll be as he should be... I'll have
>> to find a transmog set with a full face-covering helm I think - I've
>> always left helm off on him until now :-(
>All are male
>The first character was a human male engineer warrior
>I have absolutely no imagination between rl and virtual life.

Mine's a human male rogue... I have to say if Blizz don't come out
before WoD release and say they're still working on improving them,
then I may consider a racechange. I'm so very attached to that
character, had RP backstory and everything for him right from the
beginning, would never have even remotely considered a racechange
until now, but he just is not my character... it'd feel less bad to
add a new chapter to my story involving a horrible ending and a
resurrection by Sylvanas' valkyr... :-/

Would also solve my lockbox issue on Horde side, although create a new
one for alliance lol - however, I've no objection to using my lvl 90
boost on a male dwarf rogue, they actually look good! Playing with
both models on beta, I have a feeling that may be my best solution...
sigh. UD male isn't great (shoulderpads are kinda wonky lol) but it's
better than human by far, while dwarf male is awesome, I really want
one of those!

>System->advanced and turn of 'new character models'  makes the chunder 
>inducing animations a bit better.
>It seems a lot jumpier even though the fps is still high, but it is very 
>spiky just in the city.

Yeah, dwarf run is on the bouncy side lol, hadn't noticed it too much
on beta as I'm mainly playing female draenei who seem alright, human
run was horrible last time I looked though, felt like they'd got the
old female orc run...

>> I got used to the numbers surprisingly fast on beta, sure feels like
>> it takes ages to kill stuff though, but maybe that's just an illusion,
>> or down to be having crap gear compared with my live main.
>
>All my stats seem to be wrong, like the wrong +stats for what counts
>off to reforge..oh ..yeah that's right.
>The 450 engineer trinket is better stats than the timeless trinket, good 
>think I kept them. My characters don't get much instance based development.
>The timeless book etc seem quite op, should make grinding a bit easier.
>
>I will probably get used to it, in time, maybe.

Yeah, the stats are a bit annoying, it's kinda random what your gear
got turned into, at least you've got plenty ways to change it,
timeless items, valor gear is now for gold (one run of ToT should give
the needed rep) plus UBRS runs should help.

On 15/10/2014 10:23 AM, Lewis wrote:
> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Catriona R <catrion...@totalise.co.uk> was all, like:
>
>> On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 11:15:52 -0500, Cryptoengineer
>> <pete...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> Patch downloaded for me without issue. The bigger problem is addons. Most
>>> of mine have not updated though DBM has, thank goodness.
>>>
>>> Probably won't get to play until the evening.
>
>> Addons are always a headache, I expect to find several of mine dead
>> and have to hunt for replacements, always happens with major patches,
>> especially as I tend to use less mainstream addons a lot. On the plus
>> side, I'm used to playing addon-free on the beta realms now so I'll
>> just disable the lot and gradually replace them over the next few
>> days.
>
> A lot of addons have been supplanted by the game, but I absolutely
> require a bar mod. I played very little of the beta before addons were
> allowed because of the lack of bar mods.
What sort of bar mods?
I need big buttons, the standard ones are too tiny in any configuration. 
I don't have the dexterity or eyesight to see or hit them.
I just could not get a decent layout with window sizes or fullscreen.
One addon that may not be the best I just got and works is
MoveAnything
A steep learning curve but it allows action bars resize and position, 
turn off the gryphons
bag resizing. Bank resize, bank bag resize. Guild resize - not needed.
The bags don't autosort though, position is fixed on all characters.
Not really a problem since the bag market has probably collapsed and I 
can standardise on decent but not huge bags.
Once you mod the bank or guild bank close and reopen , otherwise opening 
the net tab and seeing it empty is a bit of a heart stopper :-)

I managed to collapse an entire 6 guildbank tabs for one character, plus 
bank bags and on-character down to just on-character and a few of the 
basic bank slots. It does mats, gear and single stack items would take 
more. I know I could run a single bag addon but that would be later if ever.

That is without the reagent tab, not much use for selling.
A few of my most used addons are broken.

Some things I really like, others I am not liking much   at all
I haven't even started on the 90s yet, apart from checking their bags.

On 15/10/2014 3:18 PM, | || ||| ||||| || | wrote:
> On 15/10/2014 10:23 AM, Lewis wrote:
>> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Catriona R
>> <catrion...@totalise.co.uk> was all, like:
>>
>>> On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 11:15:52 -0500, Cryptoengineer
>>> <pete...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Patch downloaded for me without issue. The bigger problem is addons.
>>>> Most
>>>> of mine have not updated though DBM has, thank goodness.
>>>>
>>>> Probably won't get to play until the evening.
>>
>>> Addons are always a headache, I expect to find several of mine dead
>>> and have to hunt for replacements, always happens with major patches,
>>> especially as I tend to use less mainstream addons a lot. On the plus
>>> side, I'm used to playing addon-free on the beta realms now so I'll
>>> just disable the lot and gradually replace them over the next few
>>> days.
>>
>> A lot of addons have been supplanted by the game, but I absolutely
>> require a bar mod. I played very little of the beta before addons were
>> allowed because of the lack of bar mods.
> What sort of bar mods?
> I need big buttons, the standard ones are too tiny in any configuration.
> I don't have the dexterity or eyesight to see or hit them.
> I just could not get a decent layout with window sizes or fullscreen.
> One addon that may not be the best I just got and works is
> MoveAnything
> A steep learning curve but it allows action bars resize and position,
> turn off the gryphons
> bag resizing. Bank resize, bank bag resize. Guild resize - not needed.
> The bags don't autosort though, position is fixed on all characters.
> Not really a problem since the bag market has probably collapsed and I
> can standardise on decent but not huge bags.
> Once you mod the bank or guild bank close and reopen , otherwise opening
> the net tab and seeing it empty is a bit of a heart stopper :-)

  not so good if you mod the character pane, it doesn't get moved out of 
the way with npc panels,professions etc :-(

On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 03:53:47 +0100, Catriona R
<catrion...@totalise.co.uk> wrote:

>>    Outline Mode is a new setting that places an outline around important NPCs and objects without having to look at nameplates or tooltips.
>
>If you'd rather WoW didn't look like Diablo, you can disable *most* of
>it in options, but it's fixed on for quest items/things to gather,
>basically anything that used to have sparkles now has an ugly outline
>instead. At least I got rid of it on everything else, it looks
>horrendous with it all enabled...

Oh wow, it has a disable option on live - that was never there on
beta! Thank goodness! *clicks Disable* :-P

Den 14-10-2014 04:53, Catriona R skrev:
>
> Too long to copy_paste the lot, see here for final patchnotes:

Neat surprises here and there. :)

Druid; there is only one transport form now which changes depending what 
you do.  So if youre in the water you will have the fishform.  Do you 
press Jump you automatically change to flightform.  NICE!

I've started doing the daily faction quests in Scholazar basin and today 
I had to kill the miniboss east of the oracles again.  Before I had to 
be naked so I didnt oneshot him.  Now he goes straight to 1 HP so you 
can kill one of the 2 smaller adds/helpers/whatever before the miniboss 
dies.

The devi... I mean... the angel lies in the detail.  Good work so far, 
Blizzard! :)

Im sure more will come!

-- 
Peter T.

<https://www.elitedangerous.com/>

Den 15-10-2014 10:45, Peter T. skrev:
> Den 14-10-2014 04:53, Catriona R skrev:
>>
>> Too long to copy_paste the lot, see here for final patchnotes:
>
> Neat surprises here and there. :)
>
> Druid; there is only one transport form now which changes depending what
> you do.  So if youre in the water you will have the fishform.  Do you
> press Jump you automatically change to flightform.  NICE!

But now you cant mount my flying dish mount when my non-druid char is in 
the water...  Annoying.

> Im sure more will come!

Mage (arcane);

Mana gems are gone.  I was a little scary about that as they were a 
major part of my arcane rotation.  But I've realized that its impossible 
to go oom unless I simply spam arcane blast.  I guess this will change a 
little when I start leveling in WoD.
Mirror is now a talent?!  DAMMIT!  I dont see any reason to make this 
ability to a talent.  Also it was a fantastic lifesaver/aggro pump if I 
got in troubles.  I will definitely gonna miss that :(

Shammy (resto);

Greater healing wave is gone.  That is fine for me as Healing surge 
seems to use relatively lesser mana than before and still do some fine 
healing.  So this is just a simple replacement.  Less buttons to press. 
  Woohoo!
I did a few garrosh attempts on HC (formerly known as normal) with an 
experienced semi-pug raid last night.  Garry is nerfed big-time until we 
got to the very last part of the fight where we kept wiping.  Kinda odd 
as the 14man raid were an experienced raid with loads of garry kills.
We used the stack strategy in the first and second phase so the 
desecrated weapon got nuked asap.  There were a few situations here 
where I decided to use my emergency healing tide totem.  But that totem 
doesnt do as much healing as before!  So here it was all about timing 
healing rain and healing stream totem when the weapon lands in the 
middle of the group and thereafter spamming chain healing.
Besides that there arent many changes here.  So business as usual as 
long as I keep the nerf of my healing tide totem in mind.
Btw.  Mana tide totem is also gone.  But that is not a problem as it 
seems spellcasters and healers cant oom now.

Everything else;

Leveling a char seems to be much tougher now.  The stats squish has been 
done very well.  But some pve mobs hits like a truck so Blizzard 
definitely needs to do some more fine-tuning here.  A guildie told me he 
did a lowlvl dungeon where they wiped like 10 times.

I tested my mage on Timeless Isle yesterday.  Almost all mobs are down 
to 30-50k hp now so theyre even easier to kill than before.  But some of 
the rares has become really lethal now!  I cant remember the last time I 
have died to a timeless rare.  But yesterday I died 2 times even with 
all possible buffs + the chi'ji buff!  HMMM!?!

The only real annoyance is that flex has become normal, normal has 
become heroic and heroic has become mythic.  This confuses a lot of 
people.  Only blizzard can answer this...

-- 
Peter T.

<https://www.elitedangerous.com/>

Den 16-10-2014 13:04, Peter T. skrev:

> But now you cant mount my flying dish mount

But now _I_ cant...

-- 
Peter T.

<https://www.elitedangerous.com/>

Den 16-10-2014 13:04, Peter T. skrev:

> Everything else;

Oh yes.  Many battle pet tamers and battle pets has been buffed/nerfed 
too.  Not much.  But there are some minor differences here and there.

So if you level a char by doing specific battle pet dailies like I am 
you will see the small changes though.  Fx the anubisath Idol which is a 
very versatile battle pet for many fights there is a few changes here. 
higher hit chance, lower damage etc..

I'm leveling a horde mage by doing 5 specific pet battle dailies which 
you can hand in straight from the quest log.  With the 300% exp pot 
dropped from Krol the Blade you can level a char 1-3 levels every day 
just by logging your leveling char for 20 secs. :)
Strategy here: <http://www.wowhead.com/item=86574#comments:id=1887536>

-- 
Peter T.

<https://www.elitedangerous.com/>

On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 13:04:59 +0200, "Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum>
wrote:

>Greater healing wave is gone.  That is fine for me as Healing surge 
>seems to use relatively lesser mana than before and still do some fine 
>healing.  So this is just a simple replacement.  Less buttons to press. 
>  Woohoo!

Feels weird as a priest actually having fewer buttons now, I always
used to have about double any other healer class! Still got more than
most, but a couple were pruned, anyway, no more Greater Heal, and
renew got taken off my Disc spec (not a change I like, I keep trying
to use it...)

>I did a few garrosh attempts on HC (formerly known as normal) with an 
>experienced semi-pug raid last night.  Garry is nerfed big-time until we 
>got to the very last part of the fight where we kept wiping.  Kinda odd 
>as the 14man raid were an experienced raid with loads of garry kills.
>We used the stack strategy in the first and second phase so the 
>desecrated weapon got nuked asap.  There were a few situations here 
>where I decided to use my emergency healing tide totem.  But that totem 
>doesnt do as much healing as before!  So here it was all about timing 
>healing rain and healing stream totem when the weapon lands in the 
>middle of the group and thereafter spamming chain healing.
>Besides that there arent many changes here.  So business as usual as 
>long as I keep the nerf of my healing tide totem in mind.

Based on my Ordos kill just now, a lot of healers aren't used to their
new specs, most of the raid died! Never usually see that now, but
there just wasn't much aoe healing happening, think everyone had it
nerfed quite a lot. I probably shouldn't have done my usual "just dps
and let Atonement handle everything" healing style, it's worked all
expansion for worldbosses, so I never bother switching to Holy (which
I greatly prefer for actual healing), maybe I should do now!

>Btw.  Mana tide totem is also gone.  But that is not a problem as it 
>seems spellcasters and healers cant oom now.

Yeah, they changed base regen so you're not so utterly useless in crap
gear at the start of an expansion, then overpowered when you gear up -
now you start with decent enough regen, and it improves more slowly
with better gear. Good change imo, I used to hate healing anything
soon after hitting max lvl.

>Everything else;
>
>Leveling a char seems to be much tougher now.  The stats squish has been 
>done very well.  But some pve mobs hits like a truck so Blizzard 
>definitely needs to do some more fine-tuning here.  A guildie told me he 
>did a lowlvl dungeon where they wiped like 10 times.

Yeah, been reading about that on the forums, I at first thought it was
just normal complaining, but mobs oneshotting people in full
heirlooms, fair enough, that's a bug ;-) Hopefully will be fixed soon,
not all mobs do it but apparently some are lethal.

>I tested my mage on Timeless Isle yesterday.  Almost all mobs are down 
>to 30-50k hp now so theyre even easier to kill than before.  But some of 
>the rares has become really lethal now!  I cant remember the last time I 
>have died to a timeless rare.  But yesterday I died 2 times even with 
>all possible buffs + the chi'ji buff!  HMMM!?!

Yikes! I haven't really tried anything yet, will have a shot later,
I'm going to have to be careful of the frogs though, my root which
used to hold them off me the whole time, so I could forget that
stacking dot, now breaks in about 1 second if I'm dpsing the rooted
mob... bit useless that!

Den 16-10-2014 13:27, Catriona R skrev:

> Based on my Ordos kill just now, a lot of healers aren't used to their
> new specs, most of the raid died! Never usually see that now, but
> there just wasn't much aoe healing happening, think everyone had it
> nerfed quite a lot. I probably shouldn't have done my usual "just dps
> and let Atonement handle everything" healing style, it's worked all
> expansion for worldbosses, so I never bother switching to Holy (which
> I greatly prefer for actual healing), maybe I should do now!

Hmm you have a point there!  My shammy's chain healing still rocks 
though.  I have to read the tooltips a bit closer when I log my shammy 
again.
I know that 2 well-geared shammy healers could aoe-heal a full Ordos 
raid while picking their noses.  But this seems to have changed now.  I 
felt so OP when I did that with another resto shammy 2 months ago. :]

>> Btw.  Mana tide totem is also gone.  But that is not a problem as it
>> seems spellcasters and healers cant oom now.
>
> Yeah, they changed base regen so you're not so utterly useless in crap
> gear at the start of an expansion, then overpowered when you gear up -
> now you start with decent enough regen, and it improves more slowly
> with better gear. Good change imo, I used to hate healing anything
> soon after hitting max lvl.

That explains why I could reforge almost all my spirit down to silly 11k 
and still do great healing in SoO normal without oom'ing.

>> Leveling a char seems to be much tougher now.  The stats squish has been
>> done very well.  But some pve mobs hits like a truck so Blizzard
>> definitely needs to do some more fine-tuning here.  A guildie told me he
>> did a lowlvl dungeon where they wiped like 10 times.
>
> Yeah, been reading about that on the forums, I at first thought it was
> just normal complaining, but mobs oneshotting people in full
> heirlooms, fair enough, that's a bug ;-)

When I leveled my elemental shammy in full heirlooms and panda enchants 
earlier this year I picked up 3-5 mobs and oneshotted them just by 
pressing my chain lightning a single time. =)  It was totally crazy.

-- 
Peter T.

<https://www.elitedangerous.com/>

On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 13:51:26 +0200, "Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum>
wrote:

>Den 16-10-2014 13:27, Catriona R skrev:
>
>> Based on my Ordos kill just now, a lot of healers aren't used to their
>> new specs, most of the raid died! Never usually see that now, but
>> there just wasn't much aoe healing happening, think everyone had it
>> nerfed quite a lot. I probably shouldn't have done my usual "just dps
>> and let Atonement handle everything" healing style, it's worked all
>> expansion for worldbosses, so I never bother switching to Holy (which
>> I greatly prefer for actual healing), maybe I should do now!
>
>Hmm you have a point there!  My shammy's chain healing still rocks 
>though.  I have to read the tooltips a bit closer when I log my shammy 
>again.
>I know that 2 well-geared shammy healers could aoe-heal a full Ordos 
>raid while picking their noses.  But this seems to have changed now.  I 
>felt so OP when I did that with another resto shammy 2 months ago. :]

Hehe I bet :-D I have to say I have no idea how many healers there
actually were, should've counted, but I was a bit shellshocked when I
realised we were all dying, very different to normal!

>>> Btw.  Mana tide totem is also gone.  But that is not a problem as it
>>> seems spellcasters and healers cant oom now.
>>
>> Yeah, they changed base regen so you're not so utterly useless in crap
>> gear at the start of an expansion, then overpowered when you gear up -
>> now you start with decent enough regen, and it improves more slowly
>> with better gear. Good change imo, I used to hate healing anything
>> soon after hitting max lvl.
>
>That explains why I could reforge almost all my spirit down to silly 11k 
>and still do great healing in SoO normal without oom'ing.

Hah, yeah, but you may remember how it was newly dinged with 4k...
very very painful (my draenei priest was at that stage last week, oh
the memories, not ;-)) This should improve it, certainly mana seems no
issue to me on beta, always used to be that while levelling I'd
struggle for mana while questing in the last few levels, but not this
time - I struggled for dps and keeping my own health up, but not for
mana!

>>> Leveling a char seems to be much tougher now.  The stats squish has been
>>> done very well.  But some pve mobs hits like a truck so Blizzard
>>> definitely needs to do some more fine-tuning here.  A guildie told me he
>>> did a lowlvl dungeon where they wiped like 10 times.
>>
>> Yeah, been reading about that on the forums, I at first thought it was
>> just normal complaining, but mobs oneshotting people in full
>> heirlooms, fair enough, that's a bug ;-)
>
>When I leveled my elemental shammy in full heirlooms and panda enchants 
>earlier this year I picked up 3-5 mobs and oneshotted them just by 
>pressing my chain lightning a single time. =)  It was totally crazy.

That's insane :-) None of my alts have been like that, but then I've
never levelled full heirlooms, I level more often in full greys/no
spec, more challenge :-P

On 16/10/2014 9:34 PM, Peter T. wrote:

> I tested my mage on Timeless Isle yesterday.  Almost all mobs are down
> to 30-50k hp now so theyre even easier to kill than before.  But some of
> the rares has become really lethal now!  I cant remember the last time I
> have died to a timeless rare.  But yesterday I died 2 times even with
> all possible buffs + the chi'ji buff!  HMMM!?!

Mine are mostly low. The worrier(sic:-) is about 510 and could handle 
the lower timeless elites and some of the higher level ordos.
   Some of the rares it could not or barely handle are now easy.
   Usually a pack of players would add on, now it is sometimes solo.
    It does -seem- burdens drop a little more often, or maybe there are 
just more rares alive longer to drop their RNG.

It can now eat elite turtles,cranes,ox and large mobs of the non-elites 
but the elite tigers it could handle wipe it if they land a paw, 4 bleed 
ticks and it is death even after you certainly kill it.
I could usually ride them out with a bandage.

Health drops rapidly, damage out is higher, it is mostly a matter of 
attack macro,stun, blow all cooldowns, then spam filler, wait for 
cooldowns, heal at every opportunity.
Very much faster but little time to anticipate any tactics.
A spike in damage, a couple of crits and either they or me are down.
Buffs gone, so I just keep grinding without buffs which works maybe 
50/50 when it wasn't an option before. Of course I then steer clear of 
the hardest ones anyway.

Most of my chars are popping health potions almost as part of their 
rotation. 40 elite kills farming lesser charms, and a 20 stack of 
potions gone. I almost never used them before, just topped up with 
berries and whatever.

  I haven't actually died all that much but it keeps being close, all 
the time and pretty frenetic. The actual farming took almost no time 
partly because there are so many elites and rares still alive.


On a side note since a lot fewer higher levels are there some, obviously 
geared ,horde* have now taken to luring molten guardians into the 
inn/tent and npc area, login, sea of flame, dead as soon as the screen 
shows.  Annoying when you have quick-logged out there for a break to 
preserve full buffs.
  * there are the same annoyances on alliance, these just happen to be 
horde characters, they kill horde with this as well I suppose.

On 16/10/2014 10:21 PM, Peter T. wrote:

> Hmm you have a point there!  My shammy's chain healing still rocks
> though.  I have to read the tooltips a bit closer when I log my shammy
> again.

Sigh, I keep losing tooltips, npc description text,map.
Addons on or off doesn't seem to help.
Sometimes it just hangs at character loading, with or without addons 
maybe addons trigger it but I really need the resize addons because the 
standard graphics are useless to me.
Did they design it all on 60 inch screens or something?
I just cannot get a good graphics setting that doesn't require resizing, 
for me.

That being said having the capability in the game to resize things makes 
it fairly tolerable, if it works properly :-)

On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 10:45:52 +0200, "Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum>
wrote:

>Neat surprises here and there. :)
>
>Druid; there is only one transport form now which changes depending what 
>you do.  So if youre in the water you will have the fishform.  Do you 
>press Jump you automatically change to flightform.  NICE!
>
>I've started doing the daily faction quests in Scholazar basin and today 
>I had to kill the miniboss east of the oracles again.  Before I had to 
>be naked so I didnt oneshot him.  Now he goes straight to 1 HP so you 
>can kill one of the 2 smaller adds/helpers/whatever before the miniboss 
>dies.
>
>The devi... I mean... the angel lies in the detail.  Good work so far, 
>Blizzard! :)

The little things are indeed fun, have just discovered my rogue has a
heap of stacked up movement bonuses now that have him doing 145% speed
when stealthed, making my already quick Anzu runs even faster, 2 mins
8 sec from entering to leaving tonight (that includes loadscreen time
on exit as I work it based on chatlog times from entering new chat
channel), wonder if I can break the 2 min barrier sometime!

Currently trying to find a decent looking full-face helm transmog for
him so I don't hate the sight of him lol, although if Blizz don't fix
that truly awful run animation I'll have to racechange anyway, I can't
stand that for too long, and can't always be stealthed (I really don't
understand how they've managed to get stealth movement animations
looking exactly like the old ones, and run animation looking nothing
like? Was just the same when I tried a dwarf rogue out too, dodgy run,
stealth fine...)

Another nice change I've found; with the new properly disabled PVP,
when you do the stink bombing quest over SW, you do indeed get
flagged, but it unflags you again when you arrive back in UC - no more
waiting out the 5 minutes! Think it might've been hotfixed in tbh, as
I'm sure I had to wait the 5 mins the first time I did it this year,
but it's certainly fixed now :-)

Also noticed it's impossible to right-click the max lvl guards in a
lot of neutral towns, which is also a nice bonus, I guess because
they're pvp-flagged. I've never accidentally attacked one anyway, but
they did always make me rather nervous... :-P