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AirRaid wrote:
> everyone who played / plays RTS games, including Dune 2,  Command &
> Conquer series  Red Alert,  WarCraft series,  Starcraft series,  Total
> Annihilation, Warzone 2100,
> Jagged Alliance series,  Tiberian Sun,   Conflict Zone, Red Alert 2,
> Kohan,  Age of Empires series, Homeworld,  Warlords: Battlecry, LoTR:
> Battle For Middle Earth series,
> Star Wars: Empire at War, and countless others
>
> you should know the roots of all RTS games: It's  really Herzog Zwei,
> made & developed by Tecno Soft in Japan. called Tecno Soft *or* Techno
> Soft in the U.S., sometimes with the space sometimes without ) in 1989,
>  published by SEGA for the SEGA MegaDrive / Genesis console.    Herzog
> Zwei came out in Japan in 1989, and then early 1990 in the United
> States.
>
> http://www.wolfgames.com/mdherzog.JPG
> http://www.discountgames.org/images/Herzog%20Zwei%20BS.jpg
>
>
> Herzog Zwei was a real-time strategy game with arcade/shmup elements.
> when i say shmup i don't mean first-person shooters (i,e, Doom, Quake)
> that everyone on the PC knows, i'm talking about overhead shmups like
> Xevious, Ikari Warriors, Thunder Force II (also by Technosoft /
> Tecnosoft), Aleste, Raiden, Truxton/Tetsujin, Granada, etc.
>
> Herzog Zwei, although it had these arcade/shooter/shmup elements, was
> very much a strategy game, and realtime.
>
> Herzog Zwei came out LONG before Command & Conquer, and even before
> Dune 2 / II.
> Most PC gamers only acknowledge Dune 2/II as the first RTS game. that
> simply is not true.  It was Herzog Zwei that started the whole RTS
> genre.   even though Herzog Zwei was not technically the first RTS game
> ever (Herzog by Tecnosoft came out before on the MSX computer in Japan
> in 1988, before the sequel, Herzog Zwei, and a game called 'Cytron
> Masters' was apparently the very first RTS game, back in the early
> 1980s on one of the Atari machines, i know nothing about it)   but
> Herzog Zwei is where everything launched from, because it was more
> widely available, modern enough / fast enough to make a massive
> impression on those developers (like Westwood) that would later take
> RTS to the PC with games like   Dune 2, C&C, Red Alert, and create a
> huge genre out of it.
>
...

Two good articles on the history and development of RTS's can be found
here:
http://pc.ign.com/articles/700/700747p1.html
   (choosing Broderbund's The Ancient Art of War [DOS, 1984] as the
start)
http://www.gamespot.com/gamespot/features/all/real_time/
   (choosing Herzog Zwei as the starting point)

K

AirRaid wrote:
> everyone who played / plays RTS games, including Dune 2,  Command &
> Conquer series  Red Alert,  WarCraft series,  Starcraft series,  Total
> Annihilation, Warzone 2100,
> Jagged Alliance series,  Tiberian Sun,   Conflict Zone, Red Alert 2,
> Kohan,  Age of Empires series, Homeworld,  Warlords: Battlecry, LoTR:
> Battle For Middle Earth series,
> Star Wars: Empire at War, and countless others

Jagged Alliance? You are obviously a n00b. That game is a turn based
strategy game, d00f.

> you should know the roots of all RTS games: It's  really Herzog Zwei,
> made & developed by Tecno Soft in Japan. called Tecno Soft *or* Techno

Bzzzzzzzzt. Wrong. Ancient Art of War predates Herzog by a long shot.

> Herzog Zwei was a real-time strategy game with arcade/shmup elements.

Then it really wasn't like those other games you listed above at all,
really.

> Most PC gamers only acknowledge Dune 2/II as the first RTS game. that
> simply is not true.

Dune 2 definitely is the first game that defined the gameplay formula
we all know as RTS today. While Ancient Art of War was the first
strategy game in real-time, Dune 2 is what really defined the genre.
Not some stupid arcade/action/strategy hybrid console game that almost
no one has played.

> It was Herzog Zwei that started the whole RTS genre.

Wrong. There was no such thing as an RTS "genre" until after C&C and
Warcraft came out. That's why all the games that came out after C&C
were called "Clone and Conquers". If you never heard that term before,
you're an RTS n00b.

> impression on those developers (like Westwood) that would later take
> RTS to the PC with games like   Dune 2, C&C, Red Alert, and create a
> huge genre out of it.

Exactly. Westwood and Blizzard created the genre. Not some Japanese
developer.

> there are almost NO RTS games that match the frantic pace of Herzog
> Zwei and the almost totally unique aspect in that you ARE actually a
> unit yourself, a transformable mecha / fighter-cargo jet, not just some
> mouse cursor / pointer on the screen.

Then it's not really an RTS, it's an action game with strategy
elements.

> looking ahead, I am *so* looking forward to Supreme Commander on the
> PC.  it is the closest game I have ever, EVER seen to what I had always
> imagined a 3D polygonal, map zoomable  Herzog Zwei-like game could be
> like.

Umm, it's Total Annihilation 2. It's basically the same game as TA just
with much nicer graphics and more stuff in it.

> while Supreme Commander has little in commen with Herzog Zwei

Exactly. Very little in common, like all the other RTS games out there.

> and more in commen with Total Annihilation because its the same main
> person in charge of development (AFAIK), and Supreme Commander is said
> to be the spiritual sequel / successor to Total Annihilation.

It's spelled COMMON. Get a dictionary. You console kiddies need to
learn how to write.

> Supreme Commander has to be, now, my most anticipated game for any
> platform, after watching both the teaser trailer and the gameplay
> demonstration.

You are easily impressed. It's pretty easy to make a non-interactive
video that looks great. I'll believe it when I can actually play it on
my own PC.

> i know this cross posted to several off-topic groups, but so be it,

because you're a troll.

> and, my spelling, grammer, etc is not exactly, great.  again, so be it.

Understatement of the year.

>   i wanted to make this a permanent recognition of Herzog Zwei as the
> first RTS game of any real value, for all time.

You're wrong opinion has been duly noted and filed in the proper place,
File 13.

> now, bring on Supreme Commander!

At least we can agree on this much.

On 2006-05-17, Zaghadka <zagh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 15 May 2006 08:45:44 GMT, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg, riku wrote: 
>
>>"PC gamers, know the roots of RTS games: TecnoSoft's HERZOG ZWEI on
>>SEGA GENESIS / MD"
>>
>>
>>In the same vein:
>>
>>Most console gamers who play Resident Evil 1-34, Silent Hill 1-9, Dino
>>Crisis etc. etc. etc. mistake Resident Evil as the forefather of all
>>"survival horror" games.
>>
>>It just isn't so, folks. Alone in the Dark is the first such horror
>>game, it came out LONG before any of those other games, and it had
>>several sequels too. Not to mention, it is much better game too (the
>>feel of the game is much more "psychologic horror thriller" than the
>>straight zombie movie clone that RE is), and lacks the horrendous
>>acting and voice acting of Resident Evil.
>>
>>I just wanted everyone to acknowledge this, ok? You shouldn't feel
>>proud at all about Resident Evil or Silent Hill games, because Alone
>>in the Dark appeared before them, ok? Good.
>>
>>
>>
> The Lurking Horror, by Dave Lebling, the first survival horror
> game ever set in the Cthulhu mythos.
>
> Genre: Text adventure.

Why you! I should've thought of that.

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"pigdos" <N...@nowhere.com> wrote in message 
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> Anyone who has ever served in the military of any modern nation.
>
> Aren't you the idiot who stated that games in which you control one unit 
> qualify as RTS's, because of their *strategic* nature?

Aren't you confusing games with real life? 

"riku" <ri...@none.invalid.com> wrote in message 
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> On Wed, 17 May 2006 12:38:20 -0500, Zaghadka <zagh...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>The Lurking Horror, by Dave Lebling, the first survival horror game ever 
>>set in
>>the Cthulhu mythos.
>>
>>Genre: Text adventure.
>
> This just underscores my point about how should these genres (survival
> horror, real-time strategy games etc.) be defined: by the games where
> the term was first used, or by including any game that could be fit
> into the term pedantically?

Survival horror is a bit of a stupid term. One word describes something 
about the game mechanics, and the other word describes content. A genre term 
should never define actual content. An RTS could be set in the stone age, 
WW2, or the future. Same for an FPS. A 'survival horror game' is just a 
ridiculous term for an adventure, or RPG. Name it an RPG or adventure and be 
done with it. 

"Zaghadka" <zagh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
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> On Thu, 18 May 2006 21:05:30 +0200, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg, Frans 
> wrote:
>
>>"riku" <ri...@none.invalid.com> wrote in message
>>news:6v4o621ou99g90gpv3e1mns2156t4v1038@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 17 May 2006 12:38:20 -0500, Zaghadka <zagh...@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>The Lurking Horror, by Dave Lebling, the first survival horror game ever
>>>>set in
>>>>the Cthulhu mythos.
>>>>
>>>>Genre: Text adventure.
>>>
>>> This just underscores my point about how should these genres (survival
>>> horror, real-time strategy games etc.) be defined: by the games where
>>> the term was first used, or by including any game that could be fit
>>> into the term pedantically?
>>
>>Survival horror is a bit of a stupid term. One word describes something
>>about the game mechanics, and the other word describes content. A genre 
>>term
>>should never define actual content. An RTS could be set in the stone age,
>>WW2, or the future. Same for an FPS. A 'survival horror game' is just a
>>ridiculous term for an adventure, or RPG. Name it an RPG or adventure and 
>>be
>>done with it.
>>
> First thing I have to ask: Is English your native language? Please don't 
> be
> insulted, a lot of things can be "lost in translation."
>
> The genre term makes perfect sense to me.
>
> And as far as content, there is a difference between a combat flight sim, 
> and a
> flight sim, and I'm glad the distinction is made.

Me too!  That way I can avoid buying the non combat version

--
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:) 

"Zaghadka" <zagh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
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> On Fri, 19 May 2006 05:12:33 GMT, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg, riku 
> wrote:
>
If you can have a "horror" movie or a "horror" book, then you
> can have a "horror" game.

Right.

So you could theoretically have a

HORROR SURVIVAL ADVENTURE GAME WITH SMALL RTS ELEMENTS IN WHICH YOU AVOID 
GETTING EATING BY GIGANTIC SPIDERS ON WHEELS WITH GREEN EYES AND TOXIC WEBBS 
as a genre. 

"Frans" <phasysn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
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> "Zaghadka" <zagh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
> news:emoq625e6u4dn1d9468l3o4ns30pjks209@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 19 May 2006 05:12:33 GMT, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg, riku 
>> wrote:
>>
> If you can have a "horror" movie or a "horror" book, then you
>> can have a "horror" game.
>
> Right.
>
> So you could theoretically have a
>
> HORROR SURVIVAL ADVENTURE GAME WITH SMALL RTS ELEMENTS IN WHICH YOU AVOID 
> GETTING EATING BY GIGANTIC SPIDERS ON WHEELS WITH GREEN EYES AND TOXIC 
> WEBBS as a genre.

You could . . . but Zaghadka would bitch about it

What we need is a strict legislative body which controls how people describe 
games headed by Zaghadka.   The game descriptors and game genres of course 
will need to be strictly separated.

--
LTP

:) 

"Zaghadka" <zagh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
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> On Fri, 19 May 2006 14:38:11 +0200, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg, Frans 
> wrote:
>
>>"Zaghadka" <zagh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:emoq625e6u4dn1d9468l3o4ns30pjks209@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 19 May 2006 05:12:33 GMT, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg, riku
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>If you can have a "horror" movie or a "horror" book, then you
>>> can have a "horror" game.
>>
>>Right.
>>
>>So you could theoretically have a
>>
>>HORROR SURVIVAL ADVENTURE GAME WITH SMALL RTS ELEMENTS IN WHICH YOU AVOID
>>GETTING EATING BY GIGANTIC SPIDERS ON WHEELS WITH GREEN EYES AND TOXIC 
>>WEBBS
>>as a genre.
>>
> If it was relevant to enough people, yes. Just because "survival horror" 
> isn't
> relevant to YOU doesn't make it irrelevant.
>
> You just named a very silly genre, BTW. ;^)

And I spelled webs wrong. 

"pigdos" <N...@nowhere.com> wrote:

>  
> Forces of a thousand units or less aren't commanded by generals.
> There's not much strategizing to be done if your resources are a
> mere battalion and the area involved is a mere 25 square miles (or
> less). It's a tactical situation not a strategic one.

That's what you say when you lose?

Age of Empires Conquerors is strategically extremely deep, with a
maximum unit limit of 200. 

"Zaghadka" <zagh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
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>>You could . . . but Zaghadka would bitch about it
*snip*
>I believe bitching is an unenumerated right covered by the 9th Amendment in 
>my
> country.
>
> If you don't like it, killfile me.

Well you sure showed me

--
LTP

:) 

At least I'm not the retard who's definition of RTS includes Jazz 
Jackrabbit, Super Mario Brothers and Doom (stand up and take a bow Shitty).

-- 
Doug
"John Doe" <jdoe@usenetlove.invalid> wrote in message 
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> "pigdos" <N...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Forces of a thousand units or less aren't commanded by generals.
>> There's not much strategizing to be done if your resources are a
>> mere battalion and the area involved is a mere 25 square miles (or
>> less). It's a tactical situation not a strategic one.
>
> That's what you say when you lose?
>
> Age of Empires Conquerors is strategically extremely deep, with a
> maximum unit limit of 200. 

"pigdos" <N...@nowhere.com> wrote in message 
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> At least I'm not the retard who's definition of RTS includes Jazz 
> Jackrabbit, Super Mario Brothers and Doom (stand up and take a bow 
> Shitty).

Instead, you're a top posting cunt! :-D 

Gee, who nominated you to be the net police? I'm sorry I've offended your 
obviously delicate sensibilities by top-posting. Just remember, it doesn't 
make you a bad person!

-- 
Doug
"Frans" <phasysn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
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> "pigdos" <N...@nowhere.com> wrote in message 
> news:otpcg.21043$Lm5.15952@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
>> At least I'm not the retard who's definition of RTS includes Jazz 
>> Jackrabbit, Super Mario Brothers and Doom (stand up and take a bow 
>> Shitty).
>
> Instead, you're a top posting cunt! :-D
> 

"pigdos" <N...@nowhere.com> wrote in message 
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> Gee, who nominated you to be the net police? I'm sorry I've offended your 
> obviously delicate sensibilities by top-posting. Just remember, it doesn't 
> make you a bad person!

Net police usually refrains from sexual insults.

You are a very confused individual. 

"pigdos" <N...@nowhere.com> wrote in message 
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> Gee, who nominated you to be the net police? I'm sorry I've offended your 
> obviously delicate sensibilities by top-posting. Just remember, it doesn't 
> make you a bad person!


his viability was never in question. (he is a conservative though)

After all you were the one in the wrong from the beginning

-- 
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:) 

Only in your small, completely insignificant and unemployed mind.

-- 
Doug
"Luc The Perverse" <sll_noSpamli...@cc.usu.edu> wrote in message 
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> "pigdos" <N...@nowhere.com> wrote in message 
> news:_R1dg.32872$4L1.2283@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
>> Gee, who nominated you to be the net police? I'm sorry I've offended your 
>> obviously delicate sensibilities by top-posting. Just remember, it 
>> doesn't make you a bad person!
>
>
> his viability was never in question. (he is a conservative though)
>
> After all you were the one in the wrong from the beginning
>
> -- 
> LTP
>
> :)
>
> 

"pigdos" <N...@nowhere.com> wrote in message 
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> Only in your small, completely insignificant and unemployed mind.

I don't have to take that kind of shit from  a top poster!

--
LTP

:) 

Only a real loser cares about top-posting vis-a-vis bottom-posting. 99% of 
the real world couldn't care less... It must be rough not having a job and 
all.

-- 
Doug
"Luc The Perverse" <sll_noSpamli...@cc.usu.edu> wrote in message 
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> "pigdos" <N...@nowhere.com> wrote in message 
> news:7M6eg.34515$4L1.18987@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
>> Only in your small, completely insignificant and unemployed mind.
>
> I don't have to take that kind of shit from  a top poster!
>
> --
> LTP
>
> :)
> 

"pigdos" <N...@nowhere.com> wrote in message 
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> Only a real loser cares about top-posting vis-a-vis bottom-posting. 99% of 
> the real world couldn't care less... It must be rough not having a job and 
> all.

Only a total loser would complain about a top-posting vis-a-vis 
bottom-poster
complainer complaining about top-posting. 

In article <CiReg.88281$H71....@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>, but only
after serious contemplation, pigdos <N...@nowhere.com> put finger to
keyboard and produced the following;
>Only a real loser cares about top-posting vis-a-vis bottom-posting. 99% of 
>the real world couldn't care less... It must be rough not having a job and 
>all.

Perhaps we should start reading from right to left as well.

Moron.

-- 
Cheers,

Chas.

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet?

The Arcane Chas <Ch...@the-arcane.demon.co.uk> writes:

> In article <CiReg.88281$H71....@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>, but only
> after serious contemplation, pigdos <N...@nowhere.com> put finger to
> keyboard and produced the following;
>>Only a real loser cares about top-posting vis-a-vis bottom-posting. 99% of 
>>the real world couldn't care less... It must be rough not having a job and 
>>all.
>
> Perhaps we should start reading from right to left as well.
>
> Moron.

My!

Be careful you don't keel over from such a venting.

(:

"The Arcane Chas" <Ch...@the-arcane.demon.co.uk> wrote in message 
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> In article <CiReg.88281$H71....@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>, but only
> after serious contemplation, pigdos <N...@nowhere.com> put finger to
> keyboard and produced the following;
>>Only a real loser cares about top-posting vis-a-vis bottom-posting. 99% of
>>the real world couldn't care less... It must be rough not having a job and
>>all.
>
> Perhaps we should start reading from right to left as well.
>
> Moron.
>
> -- 
> Cheers,
>
> Chas.

Fucking hell. I remember you. Another oldskooler. 

"Frans" <phasysn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
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>> Perhaps we should start reading from right to left as well.
>> Moron.
> Fucking hell. I remember you. Another oldskooler.

Be careful.  He will plonk you for that kind of language.

--
LTP

:) 

"Luc The Perverse" <sll_noSpamli...@cc.usu.edu> wrote in message 
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> "Frans" <phasysn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
> news:127pjoojrdo2f3a@corp.supernews.com...
>>> Perhaps we should start reading from right to left as well.
>>> Moron.
>> Fucking hell. I remember you. Another oldskooler.
>
> Be careful.  He will plonk you for that kind of language.

He won't. Not when I tell him that I'm actually DJSystem. 

"pigdos" <N...@nowhere.com> writes:

> Only a real loser cares about top-posting vis-a-vis bottom-posting. 99% of 
> the real world couldn't care less... It must be rough not having a job and 
> all.

Do you also drive on the wrong side of the road to assert your individuality?

BTW, I think you will find that in the real world 99% of the posters do
care : would you like for example, answers written before the question
in a quiz?

"Walter Mitty" <mitt...@gmail.com> schreef in bericht 
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> "pigdos" <N...@nowhere.com> writes:
>
> BTW, I think you will find that in the real world 99% of the posters do
> care : would you like for example, answers written before the question
> in a quiz?

If it could win me 64 million dollars, you bet!

And by the way, Jeopardy would not even exist! 

In article <m3zmgz1...@loki.cmears.id.au>, but only after serious
contemplation, Chris Mears <ch...@cmears.id.au> put finger to keyboard
and produced the following;
>The Arcane Chas <Ch...@the-arcane.demon.co.uk> writes:
>
>> Perhaps we should start reading from right to left as well.
>
>(:

Classic. :-}

-- 
Cheers,

Chas.

"Reality leaves a lot to the imagination".

In article <127pme8...@corp.supernews.com>, but only after serious
contemplation, Frans <phasysn...@yahoo.com> put finger to keyboard
and produced the following;
>"Luc The Perverse" <sll_noSpamli...@cc.usu.edu> wrote in message 
>news:fe1vk3xucp.ln2@loki.cmears.id.au...
>> "Frans" <phasysn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
>> news:127pjoojrdo2f3a@corp.supernews.com...

>>> Fucking hell. I remember you. Another oldskooler.
>>
>> Be careful.  He will plonk you for that kind of language.
>
>He won't. Not when I tell him that I'm actually DJSystem. 

<plonk>

;-}

-- 
Cheers,

Chas.

"Reality leaves a lot to the imagination".

"The Arcane Chas" <Ch...@the-arcane.demon.co.uk> wrote in message 
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> In article <127pme8...@corp.supernews.com>, but only after serious
> contemplation, Frans <phasysn...@yahoo.com> put finger to keyboard
> and produced the following;
>>"Luc The Perverse" <sll_noSpamli...@cc.usu.edu> wrote in message
>>news:fe1vk3xucp.ln2@loki.cmears.id.au...
>>> "Frans" <phasysn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:127pjoojrdo2f3a@corp.supernews.com...
>
>>>> Fucking hell. I remember you. Another oldskooler.
>>>
>>> Be careful.  He will plonk you for that kind of language.
>>
>>He won't. Not when I tell him that I'm actually DJSystem.
>
> <plonk>
>
> ;-}

Lol, good one Chas. LTNS 

"Frans" <phasysn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
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>>>>> Fucking hell. I remember you. Another oldskooler.
>>>>
>>>> Be careful.  He will plonk you for that kind of language.
>>>
>>>He won't. Not when I tell him that I'm actually DJSystem.
>>
>> <plonk>
>>
>> ;-}
>
> Lol, good one Chas. LTNS

LTNS?

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:) 

Luc The Perverse wrote:
> "Frans" <phasysn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
> news:127s0dlkmne8n0c@corp.supernews.com...
>>>>>> Fucking hell. I remember you. Another oldskooler.
>>>>> Be careful.  He will plonk you for that kind of language.
>>>> He won't. Not when I tell him that I'm actually DJSystem.
>>> <plonk>
>>>
>>> ;-}
>> Lol, good one Chas. LTNS
> 
> LTNS?
> 
Long Time, No See - I'm sure you have the brains to figure that one out.
--
Marsh Lion
Crazy man

"Marsh_lion" <marsh...@SPAMparadise.net.nz> wrote in message 
news:447fb51f$1@clear.net.nz...
> Luc The Perverse wrote:
>> "Frans" <phasysn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
>> news:127s0dlkmne8n0c@corp.supernews.com...
>>>>>>> Fucking hell. I remember you. Another oldskooler.
>>>>>> Be careful.  He will plonk you for that kind of language.
>>>>> He won't. Not when I tell him that I'm actually DJSystem.
>>>> <plonk>
>>>>
>>>> ;-}
>>> Lol, good one Chas. LTNS
>>
>> LTNS?
>>
> Long Time, No See - I'm sure you have the brains to figure that one out.

No

--
LTP

:) 

In article <447fb51f$1...@clear.net.nz>, but only after serious
contemplation, Marsh_lion <marsh...@SPAMparadise.net.nz> put finger to
keyboard and produced the following;
>Luc The Perverse wrote:
>> "Frans" <phasysn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
>> news:127s0dlkmne8n0c@corp.supernews.com...

>>> Lol, good one Chas. LTNS
>> 
>> LTNS?
>> 
>Long Time, No See - I'm sure you have the brains to figure that one out.

I thought it might have been "Like The New Sig". :-}

-- 
Cheers,

Chas.

"Reality leaves a lot to the imagination".

Most of the world doesn't even know or care what usenet is. Do you have a 
job?

-- 
Doug
"Walter Mitty" <mitt...@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:871wubq7if.fsf@news.europe.ch...
> "pigdos" <N...@nowhere.com> writes:
>
>> Only a real loser cares about top-posting vis-a-vis bottom-posting. 99% 
>> of
>> the real world couldn't care less... It must be rough not having a job 
>> and
>> all.
>
> Do you also drive on the wrong side of the road to assert your 
> individuality?
>
> BTW, I think you will find that in the real world 99% of the posters do
> care : would you like for example, answers written before the question
> in a quiz? 

"pigdos" <N...@nowhere.com> wrote in message 
news:fK1gg.106314$dW3.65345@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
> Most of the world doesn't even know or care what usenet is.

No you are right.    That is why we are not asking you to walk down the 
street and inquire of random individuals about posting etiquette.  Long time 
Usenet regulars though - they might know something about it.

> Do you have a job?

WTF is your obsession with this?

--
LTP

:) 

The Arcane Chas wrote:
> In article <447fb51f$1...@clear.net.nz>, but only after serious
> contemplation, Marsh_lion <marsh...@SPAMparadise.net.nz> put finger to
> keyboard and produced the following;
>> Luc The Perverse wrote:
>>> "Frans" <phasysn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
>>> news:127s0dlkmne8n0c@corp.supernews.com...
> 
>>>> Lol, good one Chas. LTNS
>>> LTNS?
>>>
>> Long Time, No See - I'm sure you have the brains to figure that one out.
> 
> I thought it might have been "Like The New Sig". :-}
> 
:-p

Isn't your sig as old as I am?
--
Marsh Lion
Inconsistent

It parallels your obsession w/cock rings, but in a far less homosexual way.

-- 
Doug
"Luc The Perverse" <sll_noSpamli...@cc.usu.edu> wrote in message 
news:gor6l3xv5o.ln2@loki.cmears.id.au...
> "pigdos" <N...@nowhere.com> wrote in message 
> news:fK1gg.106314$dW3.65345@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
>> Most of the world doesn't even know or care what usenet is.
>
> No you are right.    That is why we are not asking you to walk down the 
> street and inquire of random individuals about posting etiquette.  Long 
> time Usenet regulars though - they might know something about it.
>
>> Do you have a job?
>
> WTF is your obsession with this?
>
> --
> LTP
>
> :)
> 

"pigdos" <N...@nowhere.com> wrote in message 
news:jN5gg.45308$Lm5.18375@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
> It parallels your obsession w/cock rings, but in a far less homosexual 
> way.

I do not have time for you

--
LTP

:) 

"pigdos" <N...@nowhere.com> wrote in message 
news:fK1gg.106314$dW3.65345@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
> Most of the world doesn't even know or care what usenet is. Do you have a 
> job?

Does your mother have a moustache? 

"Luc The Perverse" <sll_noSpamli...@cc.usu.edu> wrote in message 
news:gor6l3xv5o.ln2@loki.cmears.id.au...
> "pigdos" <N...@nowhere.com> wrote in message 
> news:fK1gg.106314$dW3.65345@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
>> Most of the world doesn't even know or care what usenet is.
>
> No you are right.    That is why we are not asking you to walk down the 
> street and inquire of random individuals about posting etiquette.  Long 
> time Usenet regulars though - they might know something about it.
>
>> Do you have a job?
>
> WTF is your obsession with this?

Oh come on, he's just happy that he finally nailed that burger flipping 
occupation. 

"pigdos" <N...@nowhere.com> wrote in message 
news:jN5gg.45308$Lm5.18375@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
> It parallels your obsession w/cock rings, but in a far less homosexual 
> way.

So you admit that your job DOES have something to do with
homosexuality. Hmmmm.. I wonder what the special sauce
is on those burgers, and how it is prepared. 

In article <4480c1c3$1...@clear.net.nz>, but only after serious
contemplation, Marsh_lion <marsh...@SPAMparadise.net.nz> put finger to
keyboard and produced the following;
>The Arcane Chas wrote:
>> 
>> I thought it might have been "Like The New Sig". :-}
>> 
>:-p
>
>Isn't your sig as old as I am?

Yes, but the previous one was even older. :-}

-- 
Cheers,

Chas.

"Reality leaves a lot to the imagination".

"Frans" <phasysn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:1282sf4t3bel4a7@corp.supernews.com...
> "Luc The Perverse" <sll_noSpamli...@cc.usu.edu> wrote in message 
> news:gor6l3xv5o.ln2@loki.cmears.id.au...
>> "pigdos" <N...@nowhere.com> wrote in message 
>> news:fK1gg.106314$dW3.65345@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
>>> Most of the world doesn't even know or care what usenet is.
>>
>> No you are right.    That is why we are not asking you to walk down the 
>> street and inquire of random individuals about posting etiquette.  Long 
>> time Usenet regulars though - they might know something about it.
>>
>>> Do you have a job?
>>
>> WTF is your obsession with this?
>
> Oh come on, he's just happy that he finally nailed that burger flipping 
> occupation.

So he is pretty good at top posting, pretty good at burger flipping and 
likes to make fun of people by saying they don't have a job (And doesn't 
really care if they do)

I wanna be like . . . wait, what's his name . . pigdos?

--
LTP

:) 

No, and you obviously don't work for a living. Still living off your parents 
eh?

-- 
Doug
"Frans" <phasysn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:1282se4mma1o9a6@corp.supernews.com...
> "pigdos" <N...@nowhere.com> wrote in message 
> news:fK1gg.106314$dW3.65345@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
>> Most of the world doesn't even know or care what usenet is. Do you have a 
>> job?
>
> Does your mother have a moustache?
>
> 

The only thing I admit is that you and Luc are homosexual butt buddies who 
both don't have jobs.

-- 
Doug
"Frans" <phasysn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:1282sgg9svq8oa8@corp.supernews.com...
> "pigdos" <N...@nowhere.com> wrote in message 
> news:jN5gg.45308$Lm5.18375@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
>> It parallels your obsession w/cock rings, but in a far less homosexual 
>> way.
>
> So you admit that your job DOES have something to do with
> homosexuality. Hmmmm.. I wonder what the special sauce
> is on those burgers, and how it is prepared.
>
> 

"pigdos" <N...@nowhere.com> writes:

> The only thing I admit is that you and Luc are homosexual butt buddies who 
> both don't have jobs.
>

You do know that many news readers chop off anything marked under the
signature? So many of us have no idea what you are replying to since
you are top posting again? I know it might seem like freedom of speech
to top post, but there really are a lot of well established news tools
out there which dont cope with it very well at all. I used to be a young
wild "do as I please" type too until I realised that it was rather silly
and discourteous to the type of people who setup usenet in the first place.

"pigdos" <N...@nowhere.com> wrote in message 
news:pgWjg.97284$H71.77992@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
> The only thing I admit is that you and Luc are homosexual butt buddies who 
> both don't have jobs.

Oh shutup you

--
LTP

:) 

"Luc The Perverse" <sll_noSpamli...@cc.usu.edu> wrote in
news:irp8...@loki.cmears.id.au: 

> "pigdos" <N...@nowhere.com> wrote in message 
> news:pgWjg.97284$H71.77992@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>> The only thing I admit is that you and Luc are homosexual butt
>> buddies who both don't have jobs.
> 
> Oh shutup you


Um, hate to break up the name calling, but I remember playing a strategic 
game on the Intelivision (spelling), which I lost (the whole machine) WAY 
before the Sega Genesis ever came out.



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"pigdos" <N...@nowhere.com> wrote in message 
news:reWjg.97283$H71.78452@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
> No, and you obviously don't work for a living. Still living off your 
> parents eh?

Why should I work, when I have idiots like you who pay taxes to mooch off?