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Article #290836Re: PC gamers, know the roots of RTS games: TecnoSoft's HERZOG ZWEI on SEGA GENESIS / MD
From: Knight37
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 13:23
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 13:23
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AirRaid wrote: > everyone who played / plays RTS games, including Dune 2, Command & > Conquer series Red Alert, WarCraft series, Starcraft series, Total > Annihilation, Warzone 2100, > Jagged Alliance series, Tiberian Sun, Conflict Zone, Red Alert 2, > Kohan, Age of Empires series, Homeworld, Warlords: Battlecry, LoTR: > Battle For Middle Earth series, > Star Wars: Empire at War, and countless others Jagged Alliance? You are obviously a n00b. That game is a turn based strategy game, d00f. > you should know the roots of all RTS games: It's really Herzog Zwei, > made & developed by Tecno Soft in Japan. called Tecno Soft *or* Techno Bzzzzzzzzt. Wrong. Ancient Art of War predates Herzog by a long shot. > Herzog Zwei was a real-time strategy game with arcade/shmup elements. Then it really wasn't like those other games you listed above at all, really. > Most PC gamers only acknowledge Dune 2/II as the first RTS game. that > simply is not true. Dune 2 definitely is the first game that defined the gameplay formula we all know as RTS today. While Ancient Art of War was the first strategy game in real-time, Dune 2 is what really defined the genre. Not some stupid arcade/action/strategy hybrid console game that almost no one has played. > It was Herzog Zwei that started the whole RTS genre. Wrong. There was no such thing as an RTS "genre" until after C&C and Warcraft came out. That's why all the games that came out after C&C were called "Clone and Conquers". If you never heard that term before, you're an RTS n00b. > impression on those developers (like Westwood) that would later take > RTS to the PC with games like Dune 2, C&C, Red Alert, and create a > huge genre out of it. Exactly. Westwood and Blizzard created the genre. Not some Japanese developer. > there are almost NO RTS games that match the frantic pace of Herzog > Zwei and the almost totally unique aspect in that you ARE actually a > unit yourself, a transformable mecha / fighter-cargo jet, not just some > mouse cursor / pointer on the screen. Then it's not really an RTS, it's an action game with strategy elements. > looking ahead, I am *so* looking forward to Supreme Commander on the > PC. it is the closest game I have ever, EVER seen to what I had always > imagined a 3D polygonal, map zoomable Herzog Zwei-like game could be > like. Umm, it's Total Annihilation 2. It's basically the same game as TA just with much nicer graphics and more stuff in it. > while Supreme Commander has little in commen with Herzog Zwei Exactly. Very little in common, like all the other RTS games out there. > and more in commen with Total Annihilation because its the same main > person in charge of development (AFAIK), and Supreme Commander is said > to be the spiritual sequel / successor to Total Annihilation. It's spelled COMMON. Get a dictionary. You console kiddies need to learn how to write. > Supreme Commander has to be, now, my most anticipated game for any > platform, after watching both the teaser trailer and the gameplay > demonstration. You are easily impressed. It's pretty easy to make a non-interactive video that looks great. I'll believe it when I can actually play it on my own PC. > i know this cross posted to several off-topic groups, but so be it, because you're a troll. > and, my spelling, grammer, etc is not exactly, great. again, so be it. Understatement of the year. > i wanted to make this a permanent recognition of Herzog Zwei as the > first RTS game of any real value, for all time. You're wrong opinion has been duly noted and filed in the proper place, File 13. > now, bring on Supreme Commander! At least we can agree on this much.
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Path: mbox-mo1.pugleaf.net!g2news2.google.com!postnews.google.com!v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Knight37" <knig...@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg,alt.games.starcraft,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.misc Subject: Re: PC gamers, know the roots of RTS games: TecnoSoft's HERZOG ZWEI on SEGA GENESIS / MD Date: 16 May 2006 06:23:49 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 99 Message-ID: <1147785829.095840.21810@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> References: <1147665409.104690.148660@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.155.32.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Trace: posting.google.com 1147785834 9765 127.0.0.1 (16 May 2006 13:23:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups...@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 13:23:54 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <1147665409.104690.148660@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups...@google.com Injection-Info: v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com; posting-host=12.155.32.5; posting-account=sOuhnQ0AAABhcmuqA6fDlFPvGJm_4om- Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit