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Article #290835Re: PC gamers, know the roots of RTS games: TecnoSoft's HERZOG ZWEI on SEGA GENESIS / MD
From: klg...
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 02:27
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 02:27
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AirRaid wrote: > everyone who played / plays RTS games, including Dune 2, Command & > Conquer series Red Alert, WarCraft series, Starcraft series, Total > Annihilation, Warzone 2100, > Jagged Alliance series, Tiberian Sun, Conflict Zone, Red Alert 2, > Kohan, Age of Empires series, Homeworld, Warlords: Battlecry, LoTR: > Battle For Middle Earth series, > Star Wars: Empire at War, and countless others > > you should know the roots of all RTS games: It's really Herzog Zwei, > made & developed by Tecno Soft in Japan. called Tecno Soft *or* Techno > Soft in the U.S., sometimes with the space sometimes without ) in 1989, > published by SEGA for the SEGA MegaDrive / Genesis console. Herzog > Zwei came out in Japan in 1989, and then early 1990 in the United > States. > > http://www.wolfgames.com/mdherzog.JPG > http://www.discountgames.org/images/Herzog%20Zwei%20BS.jpg > > > Herzog Zwei was a real-time strategy game with arcade/shmup elements. > when i say shmup i don't mean first-person shooters (i,e, Doom, Quake) > that everyone on the PC knows, i'm talking about overhead shmups like > Xevious, Ikari Warriors, Thunder Force II (also by Technosoft / > Tecnosoft), Aleste, Raiden, Truxton/Tetsujin, Granada, etc. > > Herzog Zwei, although it had these arcade/shooter/shmup elements, was > very much a strategy game, and realtime. > > Herzog Zwei came out LONG before Command & Conquer, and even before > Dune 2 / II. > Most PC gamers only acknowledge Dune 2/II as the first RTS game. that > simply is not true. It was Herzog Zwei that started the whole RTS > genre. even though Herzog Zwei was not technically the first RTS game > ever (Herzog by Tecnosoft came out before on the MSX computer in Japan > in 1988, before the sequel, Herzog Zwei, and a game called 'Cytron > Masters' was apparently the very first RTS game, back in the early > 1980s on one of the Atari machines, i know nothing about it) but > Herzog Zwei is where everything launched from, because it was more > widely available, modern enough / fast enough to make a massive > impression on those developers (like Westwood) that would later take > RTS to the PC with games like Dune 2, C&C, Red Alert, and create a > huge genre out of it. > ... Two good articles on the history and development of RTS's can be found here: http://pc.ign.com/articles/700/700747p1.html (choosing Broderbund's The Ancient Art of War [DOS, 1984] as the start) http://www.gamespot.com/gamespot/features/all/real_time/ (choosing Herzog Zwei as the starting point) K
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Path: mbox-mo1.pugleaf.net!g2news2.google.com!postnews.google.com!i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: klg...@mailinator.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg,alt.games.starcraft,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.misc Subject: Re: PC gamers, know the roots of RTS games: TecnoSoft's HERZOG ZWEI on SEGA GENESIS / MD Date: 15 May 2006 19:27:59 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 56 Message-ID: <1147746478.939150.269240@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1147665409.104690.148660@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.253.49.211 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Trace: posting.google.com 1147746483 27771 127.0.0.1 (16 May 2006 02:28:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups...@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 02:28:03 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <1147665409.104690.148660@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8) Gecko/20051111 Firefox/1.5,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups...@google.com Injection-Info: i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com; posting-host=128.253.49.211; posting-account=PwZQeQwAAACobfD14JxeG5zd4PubIVWT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit