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On 29 Jun 1995, Joseph Robert Moran wrote:

> Hi All,
> 	I've been following the recent threads on which 
> joystick/controller is the best, and many people have brought out good 
> points on cost,progammability,fragile hats, etc.  But I've only seen 
> pictures of thrustmaster sticks and guess what...
> They're all for righties! :)
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Yep!  And so were all the sticks used in real fighter jets, and
since TM sticks are patterned after the real fighter planes' sticks,
well...  And the U.S. Air Force and U.S. Navy's policy to lefties is, 
learn to fly with your right hand, or look for another line of work!  (g)

	They do have an ambidexterous stick-- The Action Controller XL. 
No right-hand throttles though... 

	You can also try the CH sticks--  They are all ambi too.

TRH Sends
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> > 	I've been following the recent threads on which 
> > joystick/controller is the best, and many people have brought out good 
> > points on cost,progammability,fragile hats, etc.  But I've only seen 
> > pictures of thrustmaster sticks and guess what...
> > They're all for righties! :)

I have a Kraft Thunderstick and it looks like it would work for both 
North and South Paw people, Though the extra throttle controll would be 
on the wring side.

                                         

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In article <3suo7a$b...@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> jose...@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Joseph Robert Moran) writes:
>From: jose...@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Joseph Robert Moran)
>Subject: Left-handed joystick?
>Date: 29 Jun 1995 13:34:34 -0400


>They're all for righties! :)

>So here's my question for alll those left-handed flyers out there--what 
>do you use?  Are there controllers designed for either hand to fit?  Or 
>is there some obscure company out there that makes joysticks with lefties 
>specifically in mind?

>I appreciate the feedback :)

>Joseph

>-- 
>--I use two different joysticks.  One is a gravis mark iv, the other is a 
Suncom 2000.  The gravis, I hold left and have to cross my right over the 
front to use the buttons on the side!  The Suncom is a universal one and fits 
equally well with either hand.  Another good one to use if you do flying, is 
perhaps a yoke.  That should be universal also.  J.K.

Yep 

  -- most of the good joysticks are "northpaw only".  Two exceptions are 
the CH Products FlightStick and FlightStick Pro.  I have a FlightStick 
(2-button) and have the numeric keypad set up so that I can do any 
move that a Thrustmaster user can do -- such as turning left while 
pointing down, sliding right and up while rolling left, firing both 
primary and secondary weapons and tossing my cookies from motion 
sickness (while playing Descent).  As far as the FS Pro goes, it gets 
mixed reviews from gamers since (apparently) the hat switch and 
buttons use the same wiring (BTW it's got 4 buttons).  Lots of people like 
it, though....

One more thing:  If there is a company that makes a lefty-only joystick,

			 I WANT TO KNOW. 


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On 29 Jun 1995, Joseph Robert Moran wrote:

> 
> Hi All,
> 
> 	I've been following the recent threads on which 
> joystick/controller is the best, and many people have brought out good 
> points on cost,progammability,fragile hats, etc.  But I've only seen 
> pictures of thrustmaster sticks and guess what...
> 
> They're all for righties! :)
> 
> So here's my question for alll those left-handed flyers out there--what 
> do you use?  Are there controllers designed for either hand to fit?  Or 
> is there some obscure company out there that makes joysticks with lefties 
> specifically in mind?
> 
> I appreciate the feedback :)
> 
> Joseph
> 
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> 
> 

In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.950629...@aloha.cc.columbia.edu> Thomas Russell Hong <th...@columbia.edu> writes:
>> Hi All,
>> 	I've been following the recent threads on which 
>> joystick/controller is the best, and many people have brought out good 
>> points on cost,progammability,fragile hats, etc.  But I've only seen 
>> pictures of thrustmaster sticks and guess what...
>> They're all for righties! :)
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>	Yep!  And so were all the sticks used in real fighter jets, and
>since TM sticks are patterned after the real fighter planes' sticks,
>well...  And the U.S. Air Force and U.S. Navy's policy to lefties is, 
>learn to fly with your right hand, or look for another line of work!  (g)

In the civilian sector, you learn to fly with your left hand.  If you
become a flight instructor, you fly with your right hand.  If you become
an airline pilot, you fly with your left hand, as a first officer.  When
you become a captain, you fly with your left hand.  If you become a train-
ing captain, you fly with either hand, since you can switch seats every
other day.

It's no big deal.  What's wrong here is the assumption, probably instilled
through a life of conditioning and prejudice, that it *should* make a 
difference. But in this case, flying requires gross motor movements, nothing 
fine.  And although focusing on the "wrong" hand may feel odd at first,
it really makes no difference in the long run.

Me?  I keep the joystick on the side of the desk with the least clutter. :-)

And to answer the man's question, CH produces the FlightStick Pro, which
does not have contours that would offend in either direction.  And which,
in my opinion, is *far* superior, both in craftsmanship and performance, 
to the Thrustmaster stuff.  The Thrustmaster setup merely looks "cooler."





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On Fri, 30 Jun 1995, Robert Dorsett wrote to Thomas Russell Hong:

> >	Yep!  And so were all the sticks used in real fighter jets, and
> >since TM sticks are patterned after the real fighter planes' sticks,
> >well...  And the U.S. Air Force and U.S. Navy's policy to lefties is, 
> >learn to fly with your right hand, or look for another line of work!  (g)
> 
> In the civilian sector, you learn to fly with your left hand.  If you
> become a flight instructor, you fly with your right hand.  If you become
> an airline pilot, you fly with your left hand, as a first officer.  When
> you become a captain, you fly with your left hand.  If you become a train-
> ing captain, you fly with either hand, since you can switch seats every
> other day.

	And I was merely pointing out why the TM stuff is biased toward
righties in answer to the original poster's observations.

> And to answer the man's question, CH produces the FlightStick Pro, which
> does not have contours that would offend in either direction.  And which,
> in my opinion, is *far* superior, both in craftsmanship and performance, 
> to the Thrustmaster stuff.  The Thrustmaster setup merely looks "cooler."

	Not only do they merely look cooler, they are replicas of the real 
sticks in military jets.  IMHO I like TM much better than the CH sticks 
because the PFCS got more resistance and I can actually feel the stick's 
position because of it.

TRH Sends
________________________________________________________________
Thomas Russell Hong
Columbia University in the City of New York
Department of Biological Sciences
email: th...@columbia.edu
The W3 USNF Graphical Landing Tutorial on my WWW homepage:  
http://www.columbia.edu/~th34

In article <rddDAy...@netcom.com>, Robert Dorsett <r...@netcom.com> wrote:

>And to answer the man's question, CH produces the FlightStick Pro, which
>does not have contours that would offend in either direction.  And which,
>in my opinion, is *far* superior, both in craftsmanship and performance, 
>to the Thrustmaster stuff.  The Thrustmaster setup merely looks "cooler."

What...?  They both use similar pots, although I think TM went for the\ones
with fancier components.  CH uses an integrated throttle knob, which is
unrealistic and prevents the stick from being moved too far left while you
are using it.

CH does have an ambidextrous design, but TM has the benefit of years of
research and millions spent to fit sticks to the hand (by the military).
CH does allow some programmability, but to compare the Pro to the FLCS
or the WCS/FCS combo in that regard is foolish.

However, I would not use the TM for action games at all.  The CH is
perfect for that sort of thing - I even have one for that purpose, and
I love it.

So I guess what I would say is, they both make excellent sticks - for
different niches.  They are both superior in craftsmanship and
performance, but for different tasks.  As you can guess from the above,
I prefer TM for flight sims, and CH for rapid action games.

Then again, I may be taking this way too seriously.

David Pipes

>Robert Dorsett                         Moderator, sci.aeronautics.simulation
>r...@netcom.com                         aero-si...@wilbur.pr.erau.edu
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I use a Konix Speedking -- but the right-handed version!

It just seemed natural to hold the joystick in my left-hand, using my 
first finger for the fire button, but using my right-hand to move the 
actual stick.

When this stick first came out, they did also make left-handed versions, 
but I haven't even seen adverts for the company for years, so I doubt 
they still make the left-handed version. They do still make the normal 
sticks, as well as PC, SNES, MegaDrive (Genesis in US <?>) versions though.

Another possible one to try would be Cheetah's The Bug, which is also a 
hand held, but with a fire button under the first finger and thumb. The 
whole stick is symmetrical in build, so should be good for lefties as 
well as righties.

Note all these sticks are of the digital, rather than the analogue kind.

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Here is what I did with my gravis:  I took it apart, and put it together 
backwards so the buttons were on the right side and the stick could be used 
with my left.

>One more thing:  If there is a company that makes a lefty-only joystick,

>                         I WANT TO KNOW. 


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>University of Washington       \\\\|////
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Hi, Joseph!

I'm left-handed, but for me it's no problem. I have a Gravis Analog pro
I got used to that, another: I use the mouse with my right hand, too.

But, if you want a left-handed joystick, the Gravis GamePad has a switch,
so you can the buttons have on your left or right, to what you prefer.
But I haven't seen analog-joysticks with a similar switch.

Tim

	I use the Thrustmaster Right-handed stick... I started several years
ago with the FCS, and the only games I played with Joystick were Falcon 3.0
and it's like... I have a friend who uses a Logitech Wingman, and he likes it.
He got my old FCS, but couldn't deal with using it in his right hand...  I think
it has alot to do with what you "train" yourself to use...  I'm clumsier using
a joystick in my left hand because I'm not used to the movements (It normally
only goes forward/backward, not left/right also).  
	I also use a mouse in my right hand, because of my desk setup, and the
fact that I like to be able to type/write with my left hand while mousing
with my right.

	-Tash

jose...@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Joseph Robert Moran) wrote:
>
>Hi All,
>
>	I've been following the recent threads on which 
>joystick/controller is the best, and many people have brought out good 
>points on cost,progammability,fragile hats, etc.  But I've only seen 
>pictures of thrustmaster sticks and guess what...
>
>They're all for righties! :)
>
>So here's my question for alll those left-handed flyers out there--what 
>do you use?  Are there controllers designed for either hand to fit?  Or 
>is there some obscure company out there that makes joysticks with lefties 
>specifically in mind?
>
>I appreciate the feedback :)
>
The CH Flightstick plus can be used in either hand, since it is
symetrically designed, but due to it's design, you can't use the hat and 
fire a button at the same time...

I personally use a QuickShot 4 button stick, and it's just fine for me.  If
you want a good stick with a hat, i dunno how to help you tho.  

Ad

In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.950629...@aloha.cc.columbia.edu>, Thomas Russell Hong <th...@columbia.edu> writes:

|> 	Yep!  And so were all the sticks used in real fighter jets, and
|> since TM sticks are patterned after the real fighter planes' sticks,
|> well...  And the U.S. Air Force and U.S. Navy's policy to lefties is, 
|> learn to fly with your right hand, or look for another line of work!  (g)

Unfortunatly there is good reason for having RH only cockpits. If there
were LH and RH cockpits, pilots would end up being better at flying in
one cockpit than the other. In combat you cannot be sure about the loss
rates and would end up with LH experienced pilots in RH cockpits and
vice versa. A good way to get shot down.
   
Guy
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In article <3t388s$r...@dearg.cuillin.org.uk> g...@cuillin.demon.co.uk (Guy Dawson) writes:
>From: g...@cuillin.demon.co.uk (Guy Dawson)
>Subject: Re: Left-handed joystick?
>Date: 1 Jul 1995 10:32:59 GMT

>I was at Best Buy ( a local computer store) yesterday, and say a totally 
left-handed controller.  It wasn't a joystick, not a mouse, not a trackball, 
but something inbetween.  It fit in my hand (fingers closed around it), had 
all the buttons (about 6-8) around the thumb.  I guess you could describe it 
as being close to the shift knob in a car  (not a ball, not a tee).  It was 
roundish, but not a ball.  Smaller on the left end, bigger on the right.  It 
was very nice.  $99.  Can't remember the name right now.  

J.K.

I'm right-handed, but still prefer to use my left hand on the joystick. 
It feels more natural for those of us who fly full-size "analog" aircraft 
with a yoke, and also leaves the right hand free for the mouse. 

One of the great things about Yeager Air Combat, btw, is the alternate 
keys for view control, supporting both left and right-hand joystick 
locations. In fact that's my main complaint right now with FU: the view 
control interface is dismal. 
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Lefty sticks should be a hot commodity, as the current trend in controls
looks like it'll be left handed JS to free up panel space.  I'd have already
bought a TM set were it not that my next aircraft will have a lefty stick. 
(want to get the the hang of haning on my left)  Sounds like a real
opportunity for some one.

David O'Neill


Joseph Robert Moran (jose...@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu) wrote:

: Hi All,

: 	I've been following the recent threads on which 
: joystick/controller is the best, and many people have brought out good 
: points on cost,progammability,fragile hats, etc.  But I've only seen 
: pictures of thrustmaster sticks and guess what...

: They're all for righties! :)

: So here's my question for alll those left-handed flyers out there--what 
: do you use?  Are there controllers designed for either hand to fit?  Or 
: is there some obscure company out there that makes joysticks with lefties 
: specifically in mind?

: I appreciate the feedback :)

: Joseph

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