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Am 20.02.2017 um 00:44 schrieb andal:
> On Sun, 19 Feb 2017 10:03:31 -0800, bogbrunner wrote:
>
>> W dniu czwartek, 26 stycznia 2017 21:06:15 UTC+1 użytkownik Magdalena
>> Wójcik napisał:
>>> Proszę o pomoc w tłumaczeniu cytatu Platona:
>>>
>>> He who is ofcalm and happy nature will hardly feel the pressure of age,
>>> but to him who is of an opposite disposition youth and age are equally
>>> a burden.
>>>
>>> W internecie znalazłam tłumaczenie tylko do połowy, Więc sama
>>> przetłumaczyłam to tak:
>>> Ten, kto ma spokojne i pogodne usposobienie, łatwiej przyjmuje starość,
>>> lecz ten o odwrotnym usposobieniu odczuje tak samo brzemię starości jak
>>> i młodości.
>>>
>>> Ale wydaje mi się, że nieco koślawo to brzmi.
>>
>> W tłumaczeniu Witwickiego z greki, cytat ten brzmi: „Jak się człowiek
>> trafi porządny i łagodny, to i starość mu tylko w miarę dokucza. A jak
>> nie, to i starość takiemu nieznośna i młodość.”
>>
>> Pozdrawiam!
>
> imho Witwicki uzywa tutaj licentia poetica
>

Tłumaczenie angielskie też ;-). Nie znam niestety greki, ale "ofcalm and 
happy" jest w oryginale (transliterowane) kosmioi kai eukoloi. Tu 
komentarz do tego:

Reading in Plato's Politeia: "he who is of a calm and happy nature will 
hardly feel the pressure of age, but to him who is of an opposite 
disposition youth and age are equally a burden".

'Calm and happy' make the text opaque, while the original (κόσμιοι καὶ 
εὔκολοι) explains the reason of calm and happiness.

Kosmios (κόσμιος), an adjective coming from the word kosmos (the 
universe as shaped in beauty) is he, whose life is formed harmoniously, 
immersed in meaning, and eukolos (εὔκολος) is he who easily abandons his 
desires.

This explains why to the opposite disposition (alienated, desirous and 
resentful) youth and age are equally a burden.

Instead of 'calm and happy' maybe it's better to translate 'graced and 
easy'.

Jowett made this mistake because he didn’t pay enough attention to the 
roots of the words and the whole nature of Greek. This is clear from 
what follows in the text.

Plato writes: “they [people in general] think that old age sits lightly 
upon you, not because of your disposition, but because you are rich, and 
wealth is well known to be a great comforter”, etc. – and Jowett 
translates: “they think that old age sits lightly upon you, not because 
of your happy disposition, but because you are rich”, etc.

What happened here? Although the two kinds of disposition are mentioned 
just before, Jowett thought it was not proper to connect disposition in 
general with a light old age, but to remind what sort of disposition we 
are talking about, to emphasize it, this way making two mistakes.