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5 total messages Started by Ewa Dacko Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:13
Computer implemented inventions -> PL
#6866
Author: Ewa Dacko
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:13
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Dzień dobry wieczór :)

Chodzi o tytułowe "computer implemented inventions" -
- z długotrwałego guglania wychodzi mi, że jednej jedynej wersji
tłumaczenia tego na polski nie ma, i że od, nomen omen ;), inwencji
tłumaczącego zależy, czy napisze np.

"wynalazki implementowane przy pomocy komputera"
"wynalazki urzeczywistniane za pomocą komputera"
"wynalazki wdrażane komputerowo"
"wynalazki realizowane przy użyciu komputera"

czy wybierze jeszcze jakąś inną kombinację powyższych.

Też mogę sobie jakąś wybrać, oczywiście, ale wcale nie jestem
pewna, która z nich jest najlepsza i dlaczego. "Implementowane"
mi się nie podoba, bo trochę kalkowate, "urzeczywistniane" jest
może i fajne, ale ciut nadęte; "wdrażane" może się niesłusznie
kojarzyć z procesem wdrożenia gotowego oprogramowania, a
"realizowane", hmmm... mam wątpliwości, czy wynalazek można
w ogóle "realizować". I tym sposobem dochodzimy do ściany ;)

Bardzo będę wdzięczna za sugestie, najlepiej uzasadnione głębiej,
niż "BO TAK" i za dyskusję na temat.

Pozdrawiam :)

Evva

PS. Wiem, że po angielsku też jest to pojęcie stosunkowo nowe i
niekoniecznie najszczęśliwsze (całkiem niegłupi komentarz w języku
naszych południowych sąsiadów znalazłam tu:
http://www.zive.cz/h/Byznys/AR.asp?ARI=121840 - cytuję:
"[...] zavádí šikovný newspeak – softwarové patenty už nejsou softwarové
patenty, ale "Computer Implemented Inventions" nebo dokonce a ještě lépe
zkratkou "CII". Softwarové patenty? Ale ne, pro ty jsme přece nikdy
nebyli – software patentovat, to je hloupost. Ale CII, no to jistě
uznáte, to by se patentovat mělo.")

PPS. O to samo pytam też na pl.hum.tlumaczenia.
Re: Computer implemented inventions -> PL
#6868
Author: Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 19:50
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evva@konto.pl (Ewa Dacko) writes:

> Chodzi o tytułowe "computer implemented inventions" -
> - z długotrwałego guglania wychodzi mi, że jednej jedynej wersji
> tłumaczenia tego na polski nie ma, i że od, nomen omen ;), inwencji
> tłumaczącego zależy, czy napisze np.

Problem polega na tym, że to jest nowomowa polityków, którzy chcą pod
tym określeniem przemycić patenty na oprogramowanie. Tak więc pytasz
o znaczenie prawdziwe czy oficjalne?

http://www.nosoftwarepatents.com/en/m/untruths/mother.html
http://elis.ugent.be/~jmaebe/swpat/cii.html

-- 
   __("<         Marcin Kowalczyk
   \__/       qrczak@knm.org.pl
    ^^     http://qrnik.knm.org.pl/~qrczak/
Re: Computer implemented inventions -> PL
#6869
Author: Ewa Dacko
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:28
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Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk wrote:

> Problem polega na tym, że to jest nowomowa polityków, którzy chcą pod
> tym określeniem przemycić patenty na oprogramowanie. Tak więc pytasz
> o znaczenie prawdziwe czy oficjalne?

Pytam w zasadzie, jak to Waszym zdaniem najlepiej tłumaczyć na polski, 
tak żeby było *poprawnie po polsku*, *sensownie* i *wiernie*.

Są sytuacje, w których da się tego uroczego sformułowania uniknąć
i napisać po prostu "patenty na oprogramowanie", ale kiedy na przykład
piszę, że "kwestię patentów na oprogramowanie regulować ma Dyrektywa
o wynalazkach... (CII Directive)", to jakiś rozsądny odpowiednik wybrać
muszę, a w każdym razie zdecydowanie powinnam.

Pozdrawiam,

Evva
Re: Computer implemented inventions -> PL
#6878
Author: Ewa Dacko
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:21
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comes time
to seeing your own churches being bombed and little black girls be
murdered, you haven't got no blood. You bleed when the white man says
bleed; you bite when the white man says bite; and you bark when the
white man says bark. I hate to say this about us, but it's true. How are
you going to be nonviolent in Mississippi, as violent as you were in
Korea? How can you justify being nonviolent in Mississippi and Alabama,
when your churches are being bombed, and your little girls are being
murdered, and at the same time you're going to violent with Hitler, and
Tojo, and somebody else that you don't even know?

If violence is wrong in America, violence is wrong abroad. If it's wrong
to be violent defending black women and black children and black babies
and black men, then it's wrong for America to draft us and make us
violent abroad in defense of her. And if it is right for America to
draft us, and teach us how to be violent in defense of her, then it is
right for you and me to do whatever is necessary to defend our own
people right here in this country.

The Chinese Revolution -- they wanted land. They threw the British out,
along with the Uncle Tom Chinese. Yeah, they did. They set a good
example. When I was in prison, I read an article -- don't be shocked
when I say I was in prison. You're still in prison. That's what America
means: prison. When I was in prison, I read an article in Life magazine
showing a little Chinese girl, nine years old; her father was on his
hands and knees and she was pulling the trigger 'cause he was an Uncle
Tom Chinaman, When they had the revolution over there, they took a whole
generation of
Re: Computer implemented inventions -> PL
#6881
Author: Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:21
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to die; you've got to be ready to die if you try and force
yourself on the white man, because he'll get just as violent as those
crackers in Mississippi, right here in Cleveland. But we will still work
with you on the school boycotts be cause we're against a segregated
school system. A segregated school system produces children who, when
they graduate, graduate with crippled minds. But this does not mean that
a school is segregated because it's all black. A segregated school means
a school that is controlled by people who have no real interest in it
whatsoever.

Let me explain what I mean. A segregated district or community is a
community in which people live, but outsiders control the politics and
the economy of that community. They never refer to the white section as
a segregated community. It's the all-Negro section that's a segregated
community. Why? The white man controls his own school, his own bank, his
own economy, his own politics, his own everything, his own community;
but he also controls yours. When you're under someone else's control,
you're segregated. They'll always give you the lowest or the worst that
there is to offer, but it doesn't mean you're segregated just because
you have your own. You've got to control your own. Just like the white
man has control of his, you need to control yours.

You know the best way to get rid of segregation? The white man is more
afraid of separation than he is of integration. Segregation means that
he puts you away from him, but not far enough for you to be out of his
jurisdiction; separation means you're gone. And the white man will
integrate faster than he'll let you separate. So we will work with you
against the segregated school syst
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