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Adam Karpierz <karpierz@_NOSPAM_python.pl> napisał(a): 

> Użytkownik "Aleksander Galicki" <tretete@WYTNIJ.gazeta.pl> napisał:
> 
> > Weryfikowalnosc _czego_?
> 
> No chyba jasne czego ?
> To nie jest trudne zgadnac.

Np tego czy system jest deadlock-free, albo ze sie zatrzyma kiedys? :-)

> > No wiec prosze nam opowiedziec: co to sa, *konkretnie*, za mechanizmy?
> > To pytanie pada po raz trzeci, mam nadzieje, ze nie zostanie tym
> > razem zignorowane.
> 
> Zostanie.
> Nie mam czasu na darmnowe konsultacje
> Odsylam wiec do Pythona.
> Tego jest za duzo a ja nie mam tyle czasu.

Ach, tego jest _tak_ duzo, ze nawet jednej rzeczy sie nie wymieni :-) A
konsultacje? No coz, ja nie place swoim adwersarzom by udowodnili ze maja
racje. Wole nie zaplacic i pokazac, ze adwersarz tych argumentow nie ma.

> > Prosze zauwazyc, ze jezyki beztypowe (czyli dynamiczne) sa 
> > charakterestyczne
> > wlasnie dlatego, ze nie maja cechy ktora sie zwie statyczny system typow.
> > Jakiekolwiek dobrodziejstwa, ktore ktore maja jezyki dynamiczne a ktorych 
> > nie
> > moze miec statycznie typowany jezyk, musza zatem wynikac z cechy braku
> > statycznego systemu typow.
> 
> Panie Galicki, prosze nie tworzyc nowej logiki :).
> 

Slucham?

> Nie zauwazylem  natomiast gdzie uwidacznia rozniece :
> Sklec sam : w jakim jezyku ?
> Uzyj gotowego: w jakim jezyku ?

"While Python is more powerful as a language, Java beats the crap out of it in
the area of standards and specifications like JDBC, JNDI, and OSGi, to name
just a few."

"
Of course, individual Python developers can and do pilfer from Java specs. I
myself make it a particular point to examine the state-of-the-art in Java
before undertaking the design of any complex facility for Python."

"Individually, perhaps, we are all productive, but our collective productivity
is lower in the Python community, because we are all forced to reinvent
'IWheel', up until there's a 'Wheel' implementation in the standard library."

"Maybe the fact that Java forces you to think about interfaces (at least a
little), encourages Java architects to design better frameworks? More to the
point, is there any way we can leverage this characteristic in Python, such
that we're not always begging scraps from Java's table?"

Te wlasnie rzeczy to i nakladaja sie na to, ze Python przez przemysl jest
przewaznie ignorowany. Przypadek Nuxeo - pamieta ktos? 
http://www.nuxeo.com/en/java-switch/about-nuxeo5/

"When evaluating products and technologies for the next generation of our
software, the main criteria were:

    * Flexible and proven technology
    * Industry standard support
    * Large community of providers and developers
    * Efficient development tools
    * Robust and scalable infrastructure
    * Not limited to web-based applications
    * Friendly to open source and community-driven improvement process 

We had a look at other Python web frameworks, but quickly figured out that
they were behind Zope in terms of enterprise-readiness and features that we
needed to support our ECM developments.
We started to evaluate the Java Platform. We already had some experience in
this area, since we have chosen Eclipse RCP as the framework for our rich
client developments. Discovering the recent evolutions of the Java Platform
was exciting and interesting. First, we found that innovations brought by Java
5 (SE and EE) to the language provided a lot of value and flexibility for
developers (annotations, EJB3, etc.). Moreover, enterprise-related
technologies (EJB3, JPA, JMS, JSF, etc.) were really compelling and we started
to dig in the Java&#8217;s world to found pieces we would need.
We wanted to be sure that the flexibility Python had given us would not be
lost, and that our development speed would be as fast as with Python, if not
faster. Powerful IDEs are available (Eclipse, NetBeans, IDEA...) and great new
technologies like AOP, EL, OSGi, EJB3 or JVM Scripting confirmed our choice.
Moreover, the huge library of excellent open source software available for the
Java platform made us even more confident. To be honest, even if the hard-core
Python fans in our team were a bit skeptical at first, they were all quickly
convinced by the quality of the Java platform and related technologies/products. "


Biblioteki, standardy, community...

Przypadek Google jest szczegolny - tamci moga sobie web aplikacje to nawet w
assemblerze pisac (co de facto i robia - w C++) - taka maja kure znoszaca
zlote jaja (ad-sense), ze im to nie przeszkadza.

A.

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