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s...@netcom.com (Steve A. Feinstein) writes:
>I've been playing Wolfenstein 3-D for the past few days, and have
>noticed that if I play for more than about a half of an hour I start
>to get real nauseous and start to sweat.  Very much like sea-sickness.
>Is this a Nazi plot to take over the minds of computer game players
>everwhere?  

>Has anyone ever experienced this phenomenon with other 3-D games?
>Flight simulators? 

It's been noted in virtual reality literature that when you have
either: a convincing view of motion without the motion (such as VR) or
the feeling of motion without a view of it (on a large ship or plane
in turbulence) you get nauseous.


>I remember back in my Atari 800 days there was a maze game called
>Wayout that was similar in perspective to that of Wolf3D but it never
>made me nauseous?

I played it too, but it wasn't nearly as fast or convincing.


>I wonder if there's ever been a study of this phenomenon in and
>medical litterature?

Check out the virtual reality literature.  Some people even get
nauseous when they "push" stuff around in the VR world, because their
hand doesn't feel anything, and their brains expect that it would.
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s...@netcom.com (Steve A. Feinstein) writes:

>I've been playing Wolfenstein 3-D for the past few days, and have
>noticed that if I play for more than about a half of an hour I start
>to get real nauseous and start to sweat.  Very much like sea-sickness.
>Is this a Nazi plot to take over the minds of computer game players
>everwhere?  

Sunday, I played for about an hour.  I felt like I was going to throw up.
I had been wondering if it was the game or I was getting ill.  Guess I'll
keep myself to 15 minutes at a time.  Too bad cause the game is so addicting.

I do miss the grendes and other features of the original games.

Billy Barron
bi...@unt.edu

In article <s+nk2...@netcom.com> s...@netcom.com (Steve A. Feinstein) writes:
>I've been playing Wolfenstein 3-D for the past few days, and have
>noticed that if I play for more than about a half of an hour I start
>to get real nauseous and start to sweat.  Very much like sea-sickness.
>Has anyone ever experienced this phenomenon with other 3-D games?
>Flight simulators? 
>I wonder if there's ever been a study of this phenomenon in and
>medical litterature?

Steve,
This is a fairly well-recognized phenomena known to the human factors
community as simulator sickness. Its source is the conflict between
visual cues and vestibular (motion and/or orientation) cues. When I
worked at McAir in St. Louis, I frequently used the F/A-18 flight
simulator for evaluations, and experienced the same problems; in fact,
there was nearly a direct correlation between the amount of actual flying
an individual had done and the degree to which they were afflicted with simulator sickness. The services have done quite a bit of research in this
area, but I'm sorry to say there's nothing you can do about it except stop
playing when you get adverse symptoms.
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Principal Engineer, 777 Displays
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In article <s+nk2...@netcom.com>, s...@netcom.com (Steve A. Feinstein) writes...
>I've been playing Wolfenstein 3-D for the past few days, and have
>noticed that if I play for more than about a half of an hour I start
>to get real nauseous and start to sweat.  Very much like sea-sickness.
>Is this a Nazi plot to take over the minds of computer game players
>everwhere?  

There has been (and still is) an extensive discussion of the motion-
sickness phenom from Wolf-3d on one of the comp.binaries.ibm groups 
(where it was originally posted).

Please dont start one here!!!!

Greg Ennis (93G...@VAX.CC.WILLIAMS.EDU) 

I got really dizzy after playing "Red Baron" for an hour. But I don't
have any problem with "Wing Commander 2".
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>(comments about wolf3d and seasickness deleted...)

I've had the same problem with wolf3d.  I've worked up to playing it
for about 15 minutes a day. I've played a lot of video games in my
time (i used to play red baron for hours), but i've never had this
problem before.

Larry

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> area, but I'm sorry to say there's nothing you can do about it except stop
> playing when you get adverse symptoms.

Ok folks, here is the solution to your Wolf 3D sickness problems! All you need
to do is make the view smaller. I did that yesterday and played for hours and
no sickness!!! Give it a try!!

JAcque Bussey

jabu...@ualr.edu

P.S. if it doesnt work for you, please don't tell me cause I have my 
mind fooled that it works. 

In article <s+nk2...@netcom.com> s...@netcom.com (Steve A. Feinstein) writes:
>I've been playing Wolfenstein 3-D for the past few days, and have
>noticed that if I play for more than about a half of an hour I start
>to get real nauseous and start to sweat.  Very much like sea-sickness.
>Is this a Nazi plot to take over the minds of computer game players
>everwhere?  

You aren't alone.  I played Wolfenstein 3-D for several hours
yesterday morning.  I was so dizzy the rest of the day that I had to
go home early.

Maybe this is why we haven't seen this kind of fast-action 3-D game
before.  Bad ergonomics.

Paul



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I was so curious about everyone getting motion sickness from
Castle Wolfenstein, I had to go and get the game to check it out.

 
I haven't experienced any sickness, but I usually find my self trying
to peek around corners by leaning to the right or left in hopes
of getting a better view.

Very well done game!

--- Bob Bourdeau
--- Department of Computer Science
--- Michigan State University
--- bo...@cps.msu.edu

>There has been (and still is) an extensive discussion of the motion-
>sickness phenom from Wolf-3d on one of the comp.binaries.ibm groups 
>(where it was originally posted).
>
>Please dont start one here!!!!
>
Why not? Isn't this an appropriate place for such a discussion? I don't want
to wade through a lot of comp.binaries stuff to read about games.
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Principal Engineer, 777 Displays
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I'm looking for a copy of Balance of Power, the 1990 edition.
It's a game by Chris Crawford, I think while he was still with
Electronic Arts....
If someone has it and is willing to let me copy it or sell it to
me, please e-mail

Thanx,
N8

Nathan C. Crowell
Worcester Polytechnic Institute
bi...@wpi.wpi.edu

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                                                       Folklore

In article <rdippold.705794360@cancun> rdip...@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
|s...@netcom.com (Steve A. Feinstein) writes:
|>I've been playing Wolfenstein 3-D for the past few days, and have
|>noticed that if I play for more than about a half of an hour I start
|>to get real nauseous and start to sweat.  Very much like sea-sickness.
|>Is this a Nazi plot to take over the minds of computer game players
|>everwhere?  

Did you see the movie "Bullit"?  During the car chase scene in San Francisco
they were going down these hills.  Due to the way it was filmed a lot
of people felt thier "stomach drop out" everytime they went down another
hill.  It was the same feeling one has when riding a roller coaster.  You're
experiencing the same thing in Wolf3d.
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In article <s+nk2...@netcom.com> s...@netcom.com (Steve A. Feinstein) writes:
>I've been playing Wolfenstein 3-D for the past few days, and have
>noticed that if I play for more than about a half of an hour I start
>to get real nauseous and start to sweat.  Very much like sea-sickness.
>Is this a Nazi plot to take over the minds of computer game players
>everwhere?  
>
>Has anyone ever experienced this phenomenon with other 3-D games?
>Flight simulators? 
>
I've felt somewhat dizzy after playing microsoft flight simulator and falcon3.0.
Maybe and little nauseous its kind of like I start to feel like I'm actually
during loops and doing nosedives ...



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Department of Chemical Engineering      
University of Michigan
Email   Fli...@caen.engin.umich.edu

fli...@caen.engin.umich.edu (Scott Gregory Flicker) writes:

# I've felt somewhat dizzy after playing microsoft flight simulator
# and falcon3.0.

I frequently vomit while using MS-DOS. And it's one-dimensional.

John

In article <1992May14...@ualr.edu> jabu...@ualr.edu writes:

>> area, but I'm sorry to say there's nothing you can do about it except stop
>> playing when you get adverse symptoms.


Geez, throw up on your own time (and bandwidth).
:)

Debjoti

In article <13MAY199...@vax.cc.williams.edu>, 93g...@vax.cc.williams.edu (Greg) writes:
> There has been (and still is) an extensive discussion of the motion-
> sickness phenom from Wolf-3d on one of the comp.binaries.ibm groups 
> (where it was originally posted).
> 
> Please dont start one here!!!!
> 
> Greg Ennis (93G...@VAX.CC.WILLIAMS.EDU) 

Uh, isn't this a more appropriate place to move that discussion about Wolf-3d?
Afterall, it is a game and this is the game group.  :)

Ken

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....Discussing getting motion sickness from Wolfenstein3d...
>
>Steve,
>This is a fairly well-recognized phenomena known to the human factors
>community as simulator sickness. Its source is the conflict between
...
>... but I'm sorry to say there's nothing you can do about it except stop
>playing when you get adverse symptoms.
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Mark Shanks
>Principal Engineer, 777 Displays
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------


It may help to reduce the size of the viewing window using the 
'change view' menu command. By reducing the visual area, your peripheral
vision compensates for the motion effects.

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What are the best joysticks on the market?
Can I install 2 joysticks on a standard game card with a simple splitter
adapter cable?
Will I have a problem with most joystick cards on a 386/40, since it runs too
fast?

Thanks.
Email appreciated!
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