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On 2012-01-12, MetalGuru <someone@email.com> wrote:
> "It's been a dream of ours to recreate X-COM with our unique creative 
> vision. We're huge fans of the original game and it's a once in a lifetime 
> opportunity to re-envision a game that is as beloved as X-COM," said Steve 
> Martin, president of Firaxis Games. "We were careful to keep XCOM: Enemy 
> Unknown true to the elements that made X-COM such a revered game while 
> delivering an entirely new story and gameplay experience for both die-hard 
> X-COM fans and newcomers to the franchise."
>
> Somebody pinch me.
>
> http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2012/01/05/february-cover-r<trunc>
>

ng friedly URL
http://tx0.org/kj

I got all giddy at first - then I saw it was an FPS. I think the same thing
happened to Jagged Alliance. These companies are buying the rights to the old
"names" so we wax nostalgic and simply making "yet another shooter". 
Very disheartening.

-- 
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SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org

On 1/12/2012 7:11 AM, Scott C. Zielinski wrote:
> On 2012-01-12, MetalGuru<someone@email.com>  wrote:
>> "It's been a dream of ours to recreate X-COM with our unique creative
>> vision. We're huge fans of the original game and it's a once in a lifetime
>> opportunity to re-envision a game that is as beloved as X-COM," said Steve
>> Martin, president of Firaxis Games. "We were careful to keep XCOM: Enemy
>> Unknown true to the elements that made X-COM such a revered game while
>> delivering an entirely new story and gameplay experience for both die-hard
>> X-COM fans and newcomers to the franchise."
>>
>> Somebody pinch me.
>>
>> http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2012/01/05/february-cover-r<trunc>
>>
>
> ng friedly URL
> http://tx0.org/kj
>
> I got all giddy at first - then I saw it was an FPS. I think the same thing
> happened to Jagged Alliance. These companies are buying the rights to the old
> "names" so we wax nostalgic and simply making "yet another shooter".
> Very disheartening.
>
This is disappointing.  Especially since I literally just this week 
tried to install and play the original again.  (Couldn't get it to work 
though, some kind of graphics mismatch on my old XP machine. :( )

Scott C. Zielinski <sagacityat> wrote:
>I got all giddy at first - then I saw it was an FPS. 

Nope.  The XCom game Firaxis is developing is a strategy game.  The XCom
FPS game was announced a while ago and is being made by different
developer.

Looks promising so far, all the elements of original game.  Real-time
strategic interface, turn-based tactical interface, destructable
enviroments, research, expendable guys, etc...

					Ross Ridge

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 db  //	  

"Dimensional Traveler" <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote
| On 1/12/2012 7:11 AM, Scott C. Zielinski wrote:
| > On 2012-01-12, MetalGuru<someone@email.com>  wrote:
| >>
| >> Somebody pinch me.
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2012/01/05/february-cover-r<trunc>
| >
| > I got all giddy at first - then I saw it was an FPS. I think the same
| > thing happened to Jagged Alliance. These companies are buying
|> the rights to the old "names" so we wax nostalgic and simply making
|> "yet another shooter". Very disheartening.
| >
| This is disappointing.  Especially since I literally just this week
| tried to install and play the original again.  (Couldn't get it to work
| though, some kind of graphics mismatch on my old XP machine. :( )

Say what? Did you guys even bother to read the article? The FPS is being
developed by another company entirely, Firaxis is planning to keep the
gameplay intact - including the TB combat and all.  So much so they are
calling it a "re-imaging" of the original game.  Some excerpts:

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2012/01/06/first-screens-and-details-of-xcom-enemy-unknown.aspx

* Wasn't there another XCOM game?
Yes, 2K Marin is developing a previously announced first-person shooter,
simply called XCOM. That game was originally scheduled to come out last
year, but has since been delayed out of 2011. [ Note he said 2K Marin, not
Firaxis. This is a different game altogether].

* How do those games relate to each other?
The shooter takes place earlier in the fiction, chronicling the aliens'
first attacks in the United States. The strategy game we're talking about
here deals with the global response to the later full-blown alien invasion
of Earth.

* So this is some kind of RTS?
No, not in the way the term "RTS" typically applies to games like StarCraft.
The real-time element of XCOM is confined to the global view, where the
player keeps track of known UFOs and abductions going on around the world.
Managing research and development at the XCOM organization's secret base can
be done at the player's leisure, and all combat is completely turn-based.

* You switch between real-time and turn-based?
Yes. When your aerial transport lands at an abduction site, the game
switches to a tactical view and you command your squad of personalized
soldiers in battle against an unknown alien threat.

* Is this a remake of the original?
Kind of. Re-imagining is probably a better term. Firaxis' XCOM: Enemy
Unknown doesn't directly copy the underlying game systems - for instance,
soldiers have different stats than they did in the 1994 original - but the
concepts are still here. Players still have to manage multiple resources and
threats on a global scale in a seemingly hopeless war against
extraterrestrial forces with far better technology and capabilities.

On 2012-01-12, Ross Ridge <rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
> Scott C. Zielinski <sagacityat> wrote:
>>I got all giddy at first - then I saw it was an FPS. 
>
> Nope.  The XCom game Firaxis is developing is a strategy game.  The XCom
> FPS game was announced a while ago and is being made by different
> developer.
>
> Looks promising so far, all the elements of original game.  Real-time
> strategic interface, turn-based tactical interface, destructable
> enviroments, research, expendable guys, etc...
>
> 					Ross Ridge
>

WHOAH! Well, that will learn me for jumping the gun and posting by assuming and
not reading the article!! That's awesome! Now...why does Firaxis sound
familiar?

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SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org

On 2012-01-12, MetalGuru <someone@email.com> wrote:
> "Dimensional Traveler" <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote
>| On 1/12/2012 7:11 AM, Scott C. Zielinski wrote:
>| > On 2012-01-12, MetalGuru<someone@email.com>  wrote:
>| >>
>| >> Somebody pinch me.
> http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2012/01/05/february-cover-r<trunc>
>| >
>| > I got all giddy at first - then I saw it was an FPS. I think the same
>| > thing happened to Jagged Alliance. These companies are buying
>|> the rights to the old "names" so we wax nostalgic and simply making
>|> "yet another shooter". Very disheartening.
>| >
>| This is disappointing.  Especially since I literally just this week
>| tried to install and play the original again.  (Couldn't get it to work
>| though, some kind of graphics mismatch on my old XP machine. :( )
>
> Say what? Did you guys even bother to read the article? The FPS is being
> developed by another company entirely, Firaxis is planning to keep the
> gameplay intact - including the TB combat and all.  So much so they are
> calling it a "re-imaging" of the original game.  Some excerpts:
>
> http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2012/01/06/first-screens-and-details-of-xcom-enemy-unknown.aspx
>
> * Wasn't there another XCOM game?
> Yes, 2K Marin is developing a previously announced first-person shooter,
> simply called XCOM. That game was originally scheduled to come out last
> year, but has since been delayed out of 2011. [ Note he said 2K Marin, not
> Firaxis. This is a different game altogether].
>
> * How do those games relate to each other?
> The shooter takes place earlier in the fiction, chronicling the aliens'
> first attacks in the United States. The strategy game we're talking about
> here deals with the global response to the later full-blown alien invasion
> of Earth.
>
> * So this is some kind of RTS?
> No, not in the way the term "RTS" typically applies to games like StarCraft.
> The real-time element of XCOM is confined to the global view, where the
> player keeps track of known UFOs and abductions going on around the world.
> Managing research and development at the XCOM organization's secret base can
> be done at the player's leisure, and all combat is completely turn-based.
>
> * You switch between real-time and turn-based?
> Yes. When your aerial transport lands at an abduction site, the game
> switches to a tactical view and you command your squad of personalized
> soldiers in battle against an unknown alien threat.
>
> * Is this a remake of the original?
> Kind of. Re-imagining is probably a better term. Firaxis' XCOM: Enemy
> Unknown doesn't directly copy the underlying game systems - for instance,
> soldiers have different stats than they did in the 1994 original - but the
> concepts are still here. Players still have to manage multiple resources and
> threats on a global scale in a seemingly hopeless war against
> extraterrestrial forces with far better technology and capabilities.
>
>

NO! I didn't! Guilty as charged. :( My bad this time. I had literally JUST read
the article re: the FPS and *assumed* that's what it was about!! I posted w/o
reading the article!! Ouch. Never again! Sorry!

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On 2012-01-12, Ross Ridge <rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
> Scott C. Zielinski <sagacityat> wrote:
>>I got all giddy at first - then I saw it was an FPS.
>
> Nope.  The XCom game Firaxis is developing is a strategy game.  The XCom
> FPS game was announced a while ago and is being made by different
> developer.
>
> Looks promising so far, all the elements of original game.  Real-time
> strategic interface, turn-based tactical interface, destructable
> enviroments, research, expendable guys, etc...
>
> Ross Ridge
>

WHOAH! Well, that will learn me for jumping the gun and posting by assuming 
and
not reading the article!! That's awesome! Now...why does Firaxis sound
familiar?

-- 
sagacityat(es)(dee)(ef)dotorg
SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


Civilization series.

On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 01:59:33 -0500, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic,
MetalGuru wrote: 

>"It's been a dream of ours to recreate X-COM with our unique creative 
>vision. We're huge fans of the original game and it's a once in a lifetime 
>opportunity to re-envision a game that is as beloved as X-COM," said Steve 
>Martin, president of Firaxis Games. "We were careful to keep XCOM: Enemy 
>Unknown true to the elements that made X-COM such a revered game while 
>delivering an entirely new story and gameplay experience for both die-hard 
>X-COM fans and newcomers to the franchise."
>
>Somebody pinch me.
>
>http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2012/01/05/february-cover-revealed-xcom-enemy-unknown.aspx 

No kidding! Thanks for drawing my attention to this one. I've been sinking so
much time into Civ lately that I didn't even see it coming.

Looks like computer gaming is coming back to its roots. There's a Jagged
Alliance strategy game coming out too, and I'm told Frozen Synapse is not to be
missed. (http://www.frozensynapse.com/ if you have missed it)

-- 
Zag

No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

In article <4f0f277d$0$1708$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, dtravel@sonic.net 
says...
> 
> >
> This is disappointing.  Especially since I literally just this week 
> tried to install and play the original again.  (Couldn't get it to work 
> though, some kind of graphics mismatch on my old XP machine. :( )

I'm an Amiga guy, so I would say this... but you could run the Amiga 
version pretty easily through WinUAE on an XP system. The AGA Amiga 
version was pretty cool, but I don't think it had night missions.

"Zaghadka" <zaghadka@hotmail.com> wrote
| MetalGuru wrote:
| >
| >Somebody pinch me.
|
| No kidding! Thanks for drawing my attention to this one. I've been sinking
| so much time into Civ lately that I didn't even see it coming.
|
| Looks like computer gaming is coming back to its roots. There's a Jagged
| Alliance strategy game coming out too, and I'm told Frozen Synapse is not
| to be missed. (http://www.frozensynapse.com/ if you have missed it)

Don't forget there's also www.xenonauts.com coming out soon.

JA3 is looking sick (as in freaking awesome), I just hope I'll be able to 
play the game without having to upgrade my ancient gear first.

On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 17:20:21 -0500, "MetalGuru" <someone@email.com>
wrote:

>JA3 is looking sick (as in freaking awesome), I just hope I'll be able to 
>play the game without having to upgrade my ancient gear first.

Ooooh are you going to start a 'Why Are the Graphics So High End It Is
Just A Strategy Game!' kind of thread if your computer can't handle
it??? We haven't seen one of those in awhile!

"Mike S." <Mike@nowhere.com> wrote
|  "MetalGuru" <someone@email.com> wrote:
|
| >JA3 is looking sick (as in freaking awesome), I just hope I'll be able
| >to play the game without having to upgrade my ancient gear first.
|
| Ooooh are you going to start a 'Why Are the Graphics So High End It
| Is Just A Strategy Game!' kind of thread if your computer can't handle
| it??? We haven't seen one of those in awhile!

It never entered my mind, but if you ask me nicely I'll see what I can do 
for you. 

On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 00:16:12 -0500, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic,
MetalGuru wrote: 

>"Mike S." <Mike@nowhere.com> wrote
>|  "MetalGuru" <someone@email.com> wrote:
>|
>| >JA3 is looking sick (as in freaking awesome), I just hope I'll be able
>| >to play the game without having to upgrade my ancient gear first.
>|
>| Ooooh are you going to start a 'Why Are the Graphics So High End It
>| Is Just A Strategy Game!' kind of thread if your computer can't handle
>| it??? We haven't seen one of those in awhile!
>
>It never entered my mind, but if you ask me nicely I'll see what I can do 
>for you. 

Cool. I'll just be trying to crucify myself while you do that. Any idea how to
drive in the last nail? ;^)

-- 
Zag

No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

On 16/01/2012 5:26 PM, Zaghadka wrote:
> Cool. I'll just be trying to crucify myself while you do that. Any idea how to
> drive in the last nail? ;^)

Place a giant electromagnet behind your main hand on the opposite side 
of the cross, with the "on" switch to be gripped by your teeth...

On 16.1.2012. 23:26, Zaghadka wrote:
>
> Cool. I'll just be trying to crucify myself while you do that. Any idea how to
> drive in the last nail? ;^)

You have to fall on your nose with the cross. And the nail has to be 
longer than your nose. ;--) The rest is gravity... :^)

On 17.1.2012. 2:17, Iguana wrote:
> On 16.1.2012. 23:26, Zaghadka wrote:
>>
>> Cool. I'll just be trying to crucify myself while you do that. Any
>> idea how to
>> drive in the last nail? ;^)
>
> You have to fall on your nose with the cross. And the nail has to be
> longer than your nose. ;--) The rest is gravity... :^)

Oh, and you might wanna check up these other useful guidelines... ;))

http://www.religionnews.com/index.php?/rnsblog/how_to_crucify_yourself/

"Zaghadka" <zaghadka@hotmail.com> wrote
| MetalGuru wrote:
| >"Mike S." <Mike@nowhere.com> wrote
| >|  "MetalGuru" <someone@email.com> wrote:
| >|
| >| >JA3 is looking sick (as in freaking awesome), I just hope I'll be able
| >| >to play the game without having to upgrade my ancient gear first.
| >|
| >| Ooooh are you going to start a 'Why Are the Graphics So High End It
| >| Is Just A Strategy Game!' kind of thread if your computer can't handle
| >| it??? We haven't seen one of those in awhile!
| >
| >It never entered my mind, but if you ask me nicely I'll see what I can do
| >for you.
|
| Cool. I'll just be trying to crucify myself while you do that. Any idea
| how to drive in the last nail? ;^)

Ask the wife, she'll be happy to oblige.

But we've all been there and done that, I hear this is the new thing and I 
just can't wait to try it out myself [NSFW]:

http://imgur.com/2zYWL

On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 06:21:38 -0500, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic,
MetalGuru wrote: 

>"Zaghadka" <zaghadka@hotmail.com> wrote
>| MetalGuru wrote:
>| >"Mike S." <Mike@nowhere.com> wrote
>| >|  "MetalGuru" <someone@email.com> wrote:
>| >|
>| >| >JA3 is looking sick (as in freaking awesome), I just hope I'll be able
>| >| >to play the game without having to upgrade my ancient gear first.
>| >|
>| >| Ooooh are you going to start a 'Why Are the Graphics So High End It
>| >| Is Just A Strategy Game!' kind of thread if your computer can't handle
>| >| it??? We haven't seen one of those in awhile!
>| >
>| >It never entered my mind, but if you ask me nicely I'll see what I can do
>| >for you.
>|
>| Cool. I'll just be trying to crucify myself while you do that. Any idea
>| how to drive in the last nail? ;^)
>
>Ask the wife, she'll be happy to oblige.
>
No. Fscking. Kidding. ;^(

>But we've all been there and done that, I hear this is the new thing and I 
>just can't wait to try it out myself [NSFW]:
>
>http://imgur.com/2zYWL

[NSFA] Not Safe for Anyone. LOL.

But seriously, anything but a "Why do they use power of current equipment for
games that I could play on my trusty Osborne 1?" threads. Hanging by your balls
may have benefits, I haven't tried it, but that sort of thread would definitely
just be a lot of pointless pain-and-suffering.

-- 
Zag

No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 02:31:59 +0100, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic, Iguana
wrote: 

>On 17.1.2012. 2:17, Iguana wrote:
>> On 16.1.2012. 23:26, Zaghadka wrote:
>>>
>>> Cool. I'll just be trying to crucify myself while you do that. Any
>>> idea how to
>>> drive in the last nail? ;^)
>>
>> You have to fall on your nose with the cross. And the nail has to be
>> longer than your nose. ;--) The rest is gravity... :^)
>
>Oh, and you might wanna check up these other useful guidelines... ;))
>
>http://www.religionnews.com/index.php?/rnsblog/how_to_crucify_yourself/

Usenet is just awesome. Really. I can't say enough about how great these
responses are. ;^)

-- 
Zag

No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

On 17.1.2012. 17:13, Zaghadka wrote:
>
> But seriously, anything but a "Why do they use power of current equipment for
> games that I could play on my trusty Osborne 1?" threads. Hanging by your balls
> may have benefits, I haven't tried it, but that sort of thread would definitely
> just be a lot of pointless pain-and-suffering.

Oh come on, admit you secretly lust for such a thread... already. ;)

On Wed, 18 Jan 2012 01:52:58 +0100, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic, Iguana
wrote: 

>On 17.1.2012. 17:13, Zaghadka wrote:
>>
>> But seriously, anything but a "Why do they use power of current equipment for
>> games that I could play on my trusty Osborne 1?" threads. Hanging by your balls
>> may have benefits, I haven't tried it, but that sort of thread would definitely
>> just be a lot of pointless pain-and-suffering.
>
>Oh come on, admit you secretly lust for such a thread... already. ;)

Okay. Sure. (Sent from my Osborne 1)

-- 
Zag

No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

"Zaghadka" <zaghadka@hotmail.com> wrote
| Iguana wrote:
| >
| >Oh come on, admit you secretly lust for such a thread... already. ;)
|
| Okay. Sure. (Sent from my Osborne 1)

HOLY SHIT!!! I've just found out that XCOM: EU and Jagged Alliance 3 are
both going to be...

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...seriously upsetting but we shall wait and see.

On Jan 12, 8:11 am, "Scott C. Zielinski" <sagac...@esdeefdot.org>
wrote:
> On 2012-01-12, MetalGuru <some...@email.com> wrote:
>
> > "It's been a dream of ours to recreate X-COM with our unique creative
> > vision. We're huge fans of the original game and it's a once in a lifetime
> > opportunity to re-envision a game that is as beloved as X-COM," said Steve
> > Martin, president of Firaxis Games. "We were careful to keep XCOM: Enemy
> > Unknown true to the elements that made X-COM such a revered game while
> > delivering an entirely new story and gameplay experience for both die-hard
> > X-COM fans and newcomers to the franchise."
>
> > Somebody pinch me.
>
> >http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2012/01/05/february-cover-r<trunc>
>
> ng friedly URLhttp://tx0.org/kj
>
> I got all giddy at first - then I saw it was an FPS. I think the same thing
> happened to Jagged Alliance. These companies are buying the rights to the old
> "names" so we wax nostalgic and simply making "yet another shooter".
> Very disheartening.
>
> --
> sagacityat(es)(dee)(ef)dotorg
> SDF Public Access UNIX System -http://sdf.lonestar.org

Did not System Shock break new ground? It was a deep shooter.

On Jan 13, 10:15 am, "rochrist" <rochr...@charter.net> wrote:
> "Scott C. Zielinski"  wrote in messagenews:slrn3vfsjgvpm9.i2b.sagacity@sdf.lonestar.org...
>
> On 2012-01-12, Ross Ridge <rri...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>
> > Scott C. Zielinski <sagacityat> wrote:
> >>I got all giddy at first - then I saw it was an FPS.
>
> > Nope.  The XCom game Firaxis is developing is a strategy game.  The XCom
> > FPS game was announced a while ago and is being made by different
> > developer.
>
> > Looks promising so far, all the elements of original game.  Real-time
> > strategic interface, turn-based tactical interface, destructable
> > enviroments, research, expendable guys, etc...
>
> > Ross Ridge
>
> WHOAH! Well, that will learn me for jumping the gun and posting by assuming
> and
> not reading the article!! That's awesome! Now...why does Firaxis sound
> familiar?
>
> --
> sagacityat(es)(dee)(ef)dotorg
> SDF Public Access UNIX System -http://sdf.lonestar.org
>
>
>
> Civilization series.

Also, SMAC.  I think that was their first game.