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"Memnoch" <memnoch@nospampleaseimbritish.ntlworld.com> wrote in message 
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>I have a great idea. Let's make space combat where when there is more than 
>one
> opponent its practically impossible.........

I had trouble with this game too, for about an hour.  That first battle
was pissing me off royally.  But after an hour or two of play I started
to get much better at it.

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 21:13:13 -0500, "Jim Vieira" <WhiplashrAT@wiDOT.rrDOT.com>
wrote:

>"Memnoch" <memnoch@nospampleaseimbritish.ntlworld.com> wrote in message 
>news:iddna39ha0281oir2utjqaa55dtukl1cvu@4ax.com...
>>I have a great idea. Let's make space combat where when there is more than 
>>one
>> opponent its practically impossible.........
>
>I had trouble with this game too, for about an hour.  That first battle
>was pissing me off royally.  But after an hour or two of play I started
>to get much better at it.

I spent a lot of time mining to save up for gadgets. Built myself a couple of
level 10 ones which made almost no difference. So sold all the remaining
minerals I had and bought a medium fighter. Had those dual rail guns things on
too. Took on one of those blue chip missions and sniped at the lead target
from as far away as possible. I had a level 10 targetting upgrade installed
which didn't seem to make a lot of difference. 4 ships came after me and blew
me to bits. At this point I un-installed it with extreme prejudice. X3 Reunion
this ain't! I could take a medium to heavy fighter into Xenon space and dual
with a whole boatload of enemies and take loads down. Not here. There is
something deeply wrong with this game. Most reviews I have read of it since
say the same thing. The combat is just borked for want of a beter word. One
review I read said that he and two wingmen fought it out with one enemy for 15
minutes. 

I suggest for those that wish to retain their sanity stay well clear of this
game. There aren't that many alternatives out there but what there are, are
far superior to this slap dash effort.

"Memnoch" <memnoch@nospampleaseimbritish.ntlworld.com> wrote in message 
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> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 21:13:13 -0500, "Jim Vieira" 
> <WhiplashrAT@wiDOT.rrDOT.com>
> wrote:
>
>>"Memnoch" <memnoch@nospampleaseimbritish.ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>>news:iddna39ha0281oir2utjqaa55dtukl1cvu@4ax.com...
>>>I have a great idea. Let's make space combat where when there is more 
>>>than
>>>one
>>> opponent its practically impossible.........
>>
>>I had trouble with this game too, for about an hour.  That first battle
>>was pissing me off royally.  But after an hour or two of play I started
>>to get much better at it.
>
> I spent a lot of time mining to save up for gadgets. Built myself a couple 
> of
> level 10 ones which made almost no difference. So sold all the remaining
> minerals I had and bought a medium fighter. Had those dual rail guns 
> things on
> too. Took on one of those blue chip missions and sniped at the lead target
> from as far away as possible. I had a level 10 targetting upgrade 
> installed
> which didn't seem to make a lot of difference. 4 ships came after me and 
> blew
> me to bits. At this point I un-installed it with extreme prejudice. X3 
> Reunion
> this ain't! I could take a medium to heavy fighter into Xenon space and 
> dual
> with a whole boatload of enemies and take loads down. Not here. There is
> something deeply wrong with this game. Most reviews I have read of it 
> since
> say the same thing. The combat is just borked for want of a beter word. 
> One
> review I read said that he and two wingmen fought it out with one enemy 
> for 15
> minutes.
>
> I suggest for those that wish to retain their sanity stay well clear of 
> this
> game. There aren't that many alternatives out there but what there are, 
> are
> far superior to this slap dash effort.

I played it heavily for about 3 weeks.  The trick is to avoid combat against 
all but single pirates when you're in the starter ship.  Simply mine and 
build upgrades.  The best way to make lots of money is to take "destroy 
building" missions.  These can be done at absolutely no risk and yield 6K 
credits each.  I went directly from the starter fighter to the Dronax heavy 
fighter (one of the best, if not the best, ships in the game).  Once you get 
the Dronax completely pimped out with the best modules and guns, get the 
cloaking and time devices....and acquire 3 Dronax heavy-fighter 
wingmen....things become very manageable.

Frankly, I got tired of the game; it just seems way too retro.  IMO, it's 
feature suite isn't much better than Wing Commander or Privateer (both 
better games, IMHO).

Speaking of "Retro," I'm currently playing Privateer Remake (based on the 
Vega Strike engine).  This free fan-built puppy is absolutely terrific.  It 
comes with the basic Steltek storyline, the RF storyline, plus a new third 
storyline.  Not only does it give you the original game (with new hi-res 
ship models), but it also adds all those things you wished the original 
Privateer had, i.e., turret AI, multi ship ownership, the ability to buy or 
capture all the ships in the original Privateer, make them part of your 
fleet and fly them (want to fly a Gothri?  Want to make lots of credits, get 
a Paradigm destroyer and capture Kilrathi ships which you can sell for a 
couple of million each.  Oh yes, do you remember that "secret Kilrathi 
asteroid base that the bartenders talked about, but you could never find? 
Well, now......).  Very sweet.

There also a mod which expands the basic game and adds even more ships (I 
think from WC and WC2, but haven't installed it yet, so not sure) and new 
storylines.  Even as I type this, I'm downloading Gemini Gold, the other 
remake of Privateer, based on the Vega Strike engine.  It's supposed to be 
more faithful to the original game, i.e., no turret AI.  There's actually 
all kinds of interesting stuff available out there.....but not from game 
companies. ;) 

DocScorpio wrote:

[...]
> Speaking of "Retro," I'm currently playing Privateer Remake (based on the 
> Vega Strike engine).  This free fan-built puppy is absolutely terrific.  It 
> comes with the basic Steltek storyline, the RF storyline, plus a new third 
[...]

You've just made one bored pilot into a happy chappy.

DLing now.  :)

On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 05:09:30 GMT, "DocScorpio"
<DocScorpio@strupra-spammeros.com> wrote:

>
>"Memnoch" <memnoch@nospampleaseimbritish.ntlworld.com> wrote in message 
>news:vqvoa3l6h3d47s0700jtvskdu58ktrhh1g@4ax.com...
>> I suggest for those that wish to retain their sanity stay well clear of 
>> this
>> game. There aren't that many alternatives out there but what there are, 
>> are
>> far superior to this slap dash effort.
>
>I played it heavily for about 3 weeks.  The trick is to avoid combat against 
>all but single pirates when you're in the starter ship.  Simply mine and 
>build upgrades.  The best way to make lots of money is to take "destroy 
>building" missions.  These can be done at absolutely no risk and yield 6K 
>credits each.  I went directly from the starter fighter to the Dronax heavy 
>fighter (one of the best, if not the best, ships in the game).  Once you get 
>the Dronax completely pimped out with the best modules and guns, get the 
>cloaking and time devices....and acquire 3 Dronax heavy-fighter 
>wingmen....things become very manageable.

Sounds like what you are suggesting is the game is playable once you have all
the top end gear!! ;-)

>Frankly, I got tired of the game; it just seems way too retro.  IMO, it's 
>feature suite isn't much better than Wing Commander or Privateer (both 
>better games, IMHO).
>
>Speaking of "Retro," I'm currently playing Privateer Remake (based on the 
>Vega Strike engine).  This free fan-built puppy is absolutely terrific.  It 
>comes with the basic Steltek storyline, the RF storyline, plus a new third 
>storyline.  Not only does it give you the original game (with new hi-res 
>ship models), but it also adds all those things you wished the original 
>Privateer had, i.e., turret AI, multi ship ownership, the ability to buy or 
>capture all the ships in the original Privateer, make them part of your 
>fleet and fly them (want to fly a Gothri?  Want to make lots of credits, get 
>a Paradigm destroyer and capture Kilrathi ships which you can sell for a 
>couple of million each.  Oh yes, do you remember that "secret Kilrathi 
>asteroid base that the bartenders talked about, but you could never find? 
>Well, now......).  Very sweet.
>
>There also a mod which expands the basic game and adds even more ships (I 
>think from WC and WC2, but haven't installed it yet, so not sure) and new 
>storylines.  Even as I type this, I'm downloading Gemini Gold, the other 
>remake of Privateer, based on the Vega Strike engine.  It's supposed to be 
>more faithful to the original game, i.e., no turret AI.  There's actually 
>all kinds of interesting stuff available out there.....but not from game 
>companies. ;) 

That sounds quite interesting. Personally I think the only game out there
worth playing in this genre is X3 but I've become rather bored with that too.
I hoped that they would have got over the idea that each sector would be a
flat plane with jumpgates at NESW and most of the stations inside that grid.
Imaging a combination of I-War2 and it's flight model, Frontiers solar systems
with orbiting planets and moons you can land on and the scope of X3. Some day
it might happen. If Egosoft release a 4th game and its the same layout they
can get stuffed!

In article <46b2e7a8$0$1462$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>, 
devnull@lukewarmmail.com says...
> 
> You've just made one bored pilot into a happy chappy.
> 
> DLing now.  :)
> 

Lucky person. I couldn't get the download to start. Probably sourceforge mirror 
messing with my spam filters :-\
I think that sucks rocks through a straw. Came across another page t'other day 
that wouldn't let me look at content unless I look at the ads, also. NOT. I get 
migraines triggered by animated banner ads (can't play Pong, either). Grrrr.

-P.

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"Lazarus" <devnull@lukewarmmail.com> wrote in message 
news:46b2e7a8$0$1462$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> DocScorpio wrote:
>
> [...]
>> Speaking of "Retro," I'm currently playing Privateer Remake (based on the 
>> Vega Strike engine).  This free fan-built puppy is absolutely terrific. 
>> It comes with the basic Steltek storyline, the RF storyline, plus a new 
>> third
> [...]
>
> You've just made one bored pilot into a happy chappy.
>
> DLing now.  :)

Since my original post, I've given Privateer Gemini Gold a try.  What can I 
say?  The graphics and game interfaces are absolutely identical to those in 
the original game....but in much higher res.  Down side:  Max res is only 
800x600 (but there may be a patch gives all the current res's).

The contrasts between Privateer Remake and Privateer Gold are interesting. 
Both have much higher res ships and space objects than the original game. 
PR has all the current standard res's, while the current release version of 
PG has only 800x600.  PR uses the original game's base graphics overlaid on 
the Vega Strike menu system.  PG has all new high-res graphics for the bases 
and original Privateer menu system.  Essentially, PG is an exact copy of the 
original game....no more, no less.  OTOH, PR adds all sorts of new features 
made possible by the Vega Strike engine (i.e., multiple ship ownership, new 
storylines, new ships, planet locations, turret AI).

The guys who developed the two versions all seem to know one-another and 
participate on each others forums.  I'm not sure, but I think they started 
as one group, had philosophical differences about where the remake should go 
and split into two groups, each doing its own remake version.  In any case, 
both versions represent tremendous devotion on the parts of both teams.

"Memnoch" <memnoch@nospampleaseimbritish.ntlworld.com> wrote in message 
news:1uq6b39k3tar104a4km42a8e3hjbc1u8o0@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 05:09:30 GMT, "DocScorpio"
> <DocScorpio@strupra-spammeros.com> wrote:
>
[snip]
>
> Sounds like what you are suggesting is the game is playable once you have 
> all
> the top end gear!! ;-)

Heh, heh, Yeah, I guess you could say that.  Also, there were lots of ways 
to "game" the game in v. 1.00.  All sorts of little flaws that could be 
exploited to the cheesy max. :)

[snip]
>
> That sounds quite interesting. Personally I think the only game out there
> worth playing in this genre is X3 but I've become rather bored with that 
> too.
> I hoped that they would have got over the idea that each sector would be a
> flat plane with jumpgates at NESW and most of the stations inside that 
> grid.
> Imaging a combination of I-War2 and it's flight model, Frontiers solar 
> systems
> with orbiting planets and moons you can land on and the scope of X3. Some 
> day
> it might happen. If Egosoft release a 4th game and its the same layout 
> they
> can get stuffed!

I hear ya on the X series.  I was a big fan of X-BTF and X-T, but I ran out 
of steam on X2 and X3.

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