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On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 22:50:14 GMT, "Bill Huffman" <bhuffma1@san.rr.com>
wrote:

>Here's an academic fraud in Ireland that is using an old Derek Smart
>technique to try and hide his academic fraud. He says that his dissertation
>is secret. HAHAHAHA
>
>http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2091-1860086,00.html
>
>Note that PWU probably would make Derek's alma mater look like a great
>school in comparison. HAHAHAHAHA
>
It's scary how Derek's claims are almost identical to this guys.
Apparently the only thing these "mill's" teach is how to lie about the
degree they just bought ?

<me@home.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 22:50:14 GMT, "Bill Huffman" <bhuffma1@san.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Here's an academic fraud in Ireland that is using an old Derek Smart
> >technique to try and hide his academic fraud. He says that his
dissertation
> >is secret. HAHAHAHA
> >
> >http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2091-1860086,00.html
> >
> >Note that PWU probably would make Derek's alma mater look like a great
> >school in comparison. HAHAHAHAHA
> >
> It's scary how Derek's claims are almost identical to this guys.
> Apparently the only thing these "mill's" teach is how to lie about the
> degree they just bought ?

yup

PWU has one degree approved in California, their business degree. California
says that it is illegal for them to offer any other kind of degree. They
have a PWU "campus" in Hawaii that offers any degree you possibly might
want. They are both owned and run from the same place. They encourage their
victims/co-conspirators to lie that they earned their non-business degrees
from California approved PWU. If an employer calls either place they reach
the same office and PWU promises not to tell inquirers which "campus" the
degree was earned at. So, our friend was also lying about which campus he
earned his degree at but the reporters haven't figured out that lie, yet.

<me@home.net> wrote in message 
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> On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 22:50:14 GMT, "Bill Huffman" <bhuffma1@san.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Here's an academic fraud in Ireland that is using an old Derek Smart
>>technique to try and hide his academic fraud. He says that his 
>>dissertation
>>is secret. HAHAHAHA
>>
>>http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2091-1860086,00.html
>>
>>Note that PWU probably would make Derek's alma mater look like a great
>>school in comparison. HAHAHAHAHA
>>
> It's scary how Derek's claims are almost identical to this guys.
> Apparently the only thing these "mill's" teach is how to lie about the
> degree they just bought ?

Those who go through diploma mills are probably habitual  liars to begin 
with. 

On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 19:03:16 -0800, "bioderm" <shavolski@ladaviski.com>
wrote:

>
><me@home.net> wrote in message 
>news:i7tum1p5ca4cb04ou5cd7cn76p36u98jou@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 22:50:14 GMT, "Bill Huffman" <bhuffma1@san.rr.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Here's an academic fraud in Ireland that is using an old Derek Smart
>>>technique to try and hide his academic fraud. He says that his 
>>>dissertation
>>>is secret. HAHAHAHA
>>>
>>>http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2091-1860086,00.html
>>>
>>>Note that PWU probably would make Derek's alma mater look like a great
>>>school in comparison. HAHAHAHAHA
>>>
>> It's scary how Derek's claims are almost identical to this guys.
>> Apparently the only thing these "mill's" teach is how to lie about the
>> degree they just bought ?
>
>Those who go through diploma mills are probably habitual  liars to begin 
>with. 
>
Then why go to a DM at all ? 

<me@home.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 19:03:16 -0800, "bioderm" <shavolski@ladaviski.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> ><me@home.net> wrote in message
> >news:i7tum1p5ca4cb04ou5cd7cn76p36u98jou@4ax.com...
> >> On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 22:50:14 GMT, "Bill Huffman" <bhuffma1@san.rr.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Here's an academic fraud in Ireland that is using an old Derek Smart
> >>>technique to try and hide his academic fraud. He says that his
> >>>dissertation
> >>>is secret. HAHAHAHA
> >>>
> >>>http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2091-1860086,00.html
> >>>
> >>>Note that PWU probably would make Derek's alma mater look like a great
> >>>school in comparison. HAHAHAHAHA
> >>>
> >> It's scary how Derek's claims are almost identical to this guys.
> >> Apparently the only thing these "mill's" teach is how to lie about the
> >> degree they just bought ?
> >
> >Those who go through diploma mills are probably habitual  liars to begin
> >with.
> >
> Then why go to a DM at all ?

Because all too frequently it works. For example. Dumb Dan bought Derek's
fraud. All too many people are only 3 or 4 times smarter than Dan so they
believe those silly lies from frauds. Or perhaps you meant something
slightly different, in which case you're absolutely correct. Why pay money
to fraud so that you can become a fraud? Save your maoney and become a fraud
on your own. The most common kind of academic fraud is probably one that
claims a degree from a real school that was never received. We've had a
couple of those type of frauds slip through the cracks at work. They also
lied about other stuff besides their academic fraud. Just like Derek.

Bill Huffman schrieb:

> The most common kind of academic fraud is probably one that
> claims a degree from a real school that was never received.

I beg to differ. The most common academic fraud is plagiarism.

"me@home.com" <jan.deinhard@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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> Bill Huffman schrieb:
>
> > The most common kind of academic fraud is probably one that
> > claims a degree from a real school that was never received.
>
> I beg to differ. The most common academic fraud is plagiarism.

You're probably right. Let me rephrase that then.

People claiming a degree from a real school that was never received is
probably more common than Derek Smart's kind of academic fraud where he
claims a degree that was apparently purchased from a diploma mill.

Bill Huffman wrote:

> People claiming a degree from a real school that was never received is
> probably more common than Derek Smart's kind of academic fraud where he
> claims a degree that was apparently purchased from a diploma mill.

Well, is it legal to purchase a degree in the US? I'm pretty sure it is
illegal in germany. It is real fraud here. Not just an immoral act.
Same with plagiarism.

"me@home.com" <jan.deinhard@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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> Bill Huffman wrote:
>
> > People claiming a degree from a real school that was never received is
> > probably more common than Derek Smart's kind of academic fraud where he
> > claims a degree that was apparently purchased from a diploma mill.
>
> Well, is it legal to purchase a degree in the US? I'm pretty sure it is
> illegal in germany. It is real fraud here. Not just an immoral act.
> Same with plagiarism.

I don't think that it is illegal to purchase or print up a bogus diploma
anyplace in the USA. It is illegal to use a bogus degree to defraud someone
anywhere in the USA. However, that is covered under the general fraudulent
behavior laws, which are much more difficult to enforce. It is illegal to
use  unaccredited  degrees in about nine states. This number is growing. For
example seven years ago it was illegal to use an unaccredited degree in only
one state, Florida. The residental state of my favorite fraud, Derek.
>

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 02:56:09 GMT, "Bill Huffman" <bhuffma1@san.rr.com>
wrote:

>
>"me@home.com" <jan.deinhard@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>news:1131563304.371934.186430@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> Bill Huffman wrote:
>>
>> > People claiming a degree from a real school that was never received is
>> > probably more common than Derek Smart's kind of academic fraud where he
>> > claims a degree that was apparently purchased from a diploma mill.
>>
>> Well, is it legal to purchase a degree in the US? I'm pretty sure it is
>> illegal in germany. It is real fraud here. Not just an immoral act.
>> Same with plagiarism.
>
>I don't think that it is illegal to purchase or print up a bogus diploma
>anyplace in the USA. It is illegal to use a bogus degree to defraud someone
>anywhere in the USA. However, that is covered under the general fraudulent
>behavior laws, which are much more difficult to enforce. It is illegal to
>use  unaccredited  degrees in about nine states. This number is growing. For
>example seven years ago it was illegal to use an unaccredited degree in only
>one state, Florida. The residental state of my favorite fraud, Derek.

I'm thinking of starting a University in the USA specialising in
Intelligent Design.  Two year course, run over two one-week semesters
which abler students may, if they wish, combine into one year.  I
might even offer a correspondence version if there is enough demand.

Basically the syllabus will consist of teaching thee students to say
"Stephen J Gould believed in Intelligent Design" without laughing.  I
think it's a winner;  all my market research suggests that the kind of
people who would want such a certificate are exactly the who would be
prepared pay for it.

Lemming
-- 
Curiosity *may* have killed Schrodinger's cat.

On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 19:23:19 +0000, Lemming wrote:

> On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 02:56:09 GMT, "Bill Huffman" <bhuffma1@san.rr.com>
> wrote:
> 
>>
>>"me@home.com" <jan.deinhard@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>>news:1131563304.371934.186430@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>> Bill Huffman wrote:
>>>
>>> > People claiming a degree from a real school that was never received is
>>> > probably more common than Derek Smart's kind of academic fraud where he
>>> > claims a degree that was apparently purchased from a diploma mill.
>>>
>>> Well, is it legal to purchase a degree in the US? I'm pretty sure it is
>>> illegal in germany. It is real fraud here. Not just an immoral act.
>>> Same with plagiarism.
>>
>>I don't think that it is illegal to purchase or print up a bogus diploma
>>anyplace in the USA. It is illegal to use a bogus degree to defraud someone
>>anywhere in the USA. However, that is covered under the general fraudulent
>>behavior laws, which are much more difficult to enforce. It is illegal to
>>use  unaccredited  degrees in about nine states. This number is growing. For
>>example seven years ago it was illegal to use an unaccredited degree in only
>>one state, Florida. The residental state of my favorite fraud, Derek.
> 
> I'm thinking of starting a University in the USA specialising in
> Intelligent Design.  Two year course, run over two one-week semesters
> which abler students may, if they wish, combine into one year.  I
> might even offer a correspondence version if there is enough demand.
> 
> Basically the syllabus will consist of teaching thee students to say
> "Stephen J Gould believed in Intelligent Design" without laughing.  I
> think it's a winner;  all my market research suggests that the kind of
> people who would want such a certificate are exactly the who would be
> prepared pay for it.

Sounds like a winner.  However, you'll probably want to avoid Dover,
Pennsylvania.

"DOVER, Pa. - Voters came down hard Tuesday on school board members who
backed a statement on intelligent design being read in biology class,
ousting eight Republicans and replacing them with Democrats who want the
concept stripped from the science curriculum."

http://www.freenewmexican.com/news/34828.html

I guess we're not completely beyond hope.  Yet.

Bret

"Lemming" <thiswillbounce@bumblbee.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 02:56:09 GMT, "Bill Huffman" <bhuffma1@san.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"me@home.com" <jan.deinhard@googlemail.com> wrote in message
> >news:1131563304.371934.186430@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >> Bill Huffman wrote:
> >>
> >> > People claiming a degree from a real school that was never received
is
> >> > probably more common than Derek Smart's kind of academic fraud where
he
> >> > claims a degree that was apparently purchased from a diploma mill.
> >>
> >> Well, is it legal to purchase a degree in the US? I'm pretty sure it is
> >> illegal in germany. It is real fraud here. Not just an immoral act.
> >> Same with plagiarism.
> >
> >I don't think that it is illegal to purchase or print up a bogus diploma
> >anyplace in the USA. It is illegal to use a bogus degree to defraud
someone
> >anywhere in the USA. However, that is covered under the general
fraudulent
> >behavior laws, which are much more difficult to enforce. It is illegal to
> >use  unaccredited  degrees in about nine states. This number is growing.
For
> >example seven years ago it was illegal to use an unaccredited degree in
only
> >one state, Florida. The residental state of my favorite fraud, Derek.
>
> I'm thinking of starting a University in the USA specialising in
> Intelligent Design.  Two year course, run over two one-week semesters
> which abler students may, if they wish, combine into one year.  I
> might even offer a correspondence version if there is enough demand.
>
> Basically the syllabus will consist of teaching thee students to say
> "Stephen J Gould believed in Intelligent Design" without laughing.  I
> think it's a winner;  all my market research suggests that the kind of
> people who would want such a certificate are exactly the who would be
> prepared pay for it.

It sounds like a brilliant idea to me. I love it.

Perhaps you should also offer classes in a rather similar new study. This is
the theory that an intelligent being is changing scientific measurements to
make it appear that evolution might be real. This intelligent being is known
as the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

http://www.venganza.org/

"Bret Ripley" <ripley@gotsky.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 19:23:19 +0000, Lemming wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 02:56:09 GMT, "Bill Huffman" <bhuffma1@san.rr.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>"me@home.com" <jan.deinhard@googlemail.com> wrote in message
> >>news:1131563304.371934.186430@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >>> Bill Huffman wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > People claiming a degree from a real school that was never received
is
> >>> > probably more common than Derek Smart's kind of academic fraud where
he
> >>> > claims a degree that was apparently purchased from a diploma mill.
> >>>
> >>> Well, is it legal to purchase a degree in the US? I'm pretty sure it
is
> >>> illegal in germany. It is real fraud here. Not just an immoral act.
> >>> Same with plagiarism.
> >>
> >>I don't think that it is illegal to purchase or print up a bogus diploma
> >>anyplace in the USA. It is illegal to use a bogus degree to defraud
someone
> >>anywhere in the USA. However, that is covered under the general
fraudulent
> >>behavior laws, which are much more difficult to enforce. It is illegal
to
> >>use  unaccredited  degrees in about nine states. This number is growing.
For
> >>example seven years ago it was illegal to use an unaccredited degree in
only
> >>one state, Florida. The residental state of my favorite fraud, Derek.
> >
> > I'm thinking of starting a University in the USA specialising in
> > Intelligent Design.  Two year course, run over two one-week semesters
> > which abler students may, if they wish, combine into one year.  I
> > might even offer a correspondence version if there is enough demand.
> >
> > Basically the syllabus will consist of teaching thee students to say
> > "Stephen J Gould believed in Intelligent Design" without laughing.  I
> > think it's a winner;  all my market research suggests that the kind of
> > people who would want such a certificate are exactly the who would be
> > prepared pay for it.
>
> Sounds like a winner.  However, you'll probably want to avoid Dover,
> Pennsylvania.
>
> "DOVER, Pa. - Voters came down hard Tuesday on school board members who
> backed a statement on intelligent design being read in biology class,
> ousting eight Republicans and replacing them with Democrats who want the
> concept stripped from the science curriculum."
>
> http://www.freenewmexican.com/news/34828.html
>
> I guess we're not completely beyond hope.  Yet.

I'm stunned. Bret showing hope in his fellow Americans. I must say, Bret,
such an outlandish position being taken would seem to indicate that I've
misread your post. I've reread it multiple times but still can't understand
what I'm misunderstanding?

On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 19:31:40 GMT, Bill Huffman wrote:

> "Bret Ripley" <ripley@gotsky.net> wrote in message
> news:fczx4qigr560.183d6yslt4tsh$.dlg@40tude.net...
>> On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 19:23:19 +0000, Lemming wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 02:56:09 GMT, "Bill Huffman" <bhuffma1@san.rr.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"me@home.com" <jan.deinhard@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:1131563304.371934.186430@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> Bill Huffman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > People claiming a degree from a real school that was never received
> is
>>>>> > probably more common than Derek Smart's kind of academic fraud where
> he
>>>>> > claims a degree that was apparently purchased from a diploma mill.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, is it legal to purchase a degree in the US? I'm pretty sure it
> is
>>>>> illegal in germany. It is real fraud here. Not just an immoral act.
>>>>> Same with plagiarism.
>>>>
>>>>I don't think that it is illegal to purchase or print up a bogus diploma
>>>>anyplace in the USA. It is illegal to use a bogus degree to defraud
> someone
>>>>anywhere in the USA. However, that is covered under the general
> fraudulent
>>>>behavior laws, which are much more difficult to enforce. It is illegal
> to
>>>>use  unaccredited  degrees in about nine states. This number is growing.
> For
>>>>example seven years ago it was illegal to use an unaccredited degree in
> only
>>>>one state, Florida. The residental state of my favorite fraud, Derek.
>>>
>>> I'm thinking of starting a University in the USA specialising in
>>> Intelligent Design.  Two year course, run over two one-week semesters
>>> which abler students may, if they wish, combine into one year.  I
>>> might even offer a correspondence version if there is enough demand.
>>>
>>> Basically the syllabus will consist of teaching thee students to say
>>> "Stephen J Gould believed in Intelligent Design" without laughing.  I
>>> think it's a winner;  all my market research suggests that the kind of
>>> people who would want such a certificate are exactly the who would be
>>> prepared pay for it.
>>
>> Sounds like a winner.  However, you'll probably want to avoid Dover,
>> Pennsylvania.
>>
>> "DOVER, Pa. - Voters came down hard Tuesday on school board members who
>> backed a statement on intelligent design being read in biology class,
>> ousting eight Republicans and replacing them with Democrats who want the
>> concept stripped from the science curriculum."
>>
>> http://www.freenewmexican.com/news/34828.html
>>
>> I guess we're not completely beyond hope.  Yet.
> 
> I'm stunned. Bret showing hope in his fellow Americans.

Even Homer nods.

> I must say, Bret,
> such an outlandish position being taken would seem to indicate that I've
> misread your post. I've reread it multiple times but still can't understand
> what I'm misunderstanding?

Understanding that you misunderstand is the essence of wisdom.
Misunderstanding what you understand is a registered trademark of "Project
for the New American Century".

http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm

(If you haven't seen this before it is worth a look.  Check out the names
at the bottom, keeping in mind that this was drafted in 1997.)

Bret

"Bret Ripley" <ripley@gotsky.com> wrote in message
news:9y9m51v0et7t$.13awdnb9wxik$.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 19:31:40 GMT, Bill Huffman wrote:
>
> > "Bret Ripley" <ripley@gotsky.net> wrote in message
> > news:fczx4qigr560.183d6yslt4tsh$.dlg@40tude.net...
> >> On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 19:23:19 +0000, Lemming wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 02:56:09 GMT, "Bill Huffman" <bhuffma1@san.rr.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>"me@home.com" <jan.deinhard@googlemail.com> wrote in message
> >>>>news:1131563304.371934.186430@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>> Bill Huffman wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> > People claiming a degree from a real school that was never
received
> > is
> >>>>> > probably more common than Derek Smart's kind of academic fraud
where
> > he
> >>>>> > claims a degree that was apparently purchased from a diploma mill.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Well, is it legal to purchase a degree in the US? I'm pretty sure it
> > is
> >>>>> illegal in germany. It is real fraud here. Not just an immoral act.
> >>>>> Same with plagiarism.
> >>>>
> >>>>I don't think that it is illegal to purchase or print up a bogus
diploma
> >>>>anyplace in the USA. It is illegal to use a bogus degree to defraud
> > someone
> >>>>anywhere in the USA. However, that is covered under the general
> > fraudulent
> >>>>behavior laws, which are much more difficult to enforce. It is illegal
> > to
> >>>>use  unaccredited  degrees in about nine states. This number is
growing.
> > For
> >>>>example seven years ago it was illegal to use an unaccredited degree
in
> > only
> >>>>one state, Florida. The residental state of my favorite fraud, Derek.
> >>>
> >>> I'm thinking of starting a University in the USA specialising in
> >>> Intelligent Design.  Two year course, run over two one-week semesters
> >>> which abler students may, if they wish, combine into one year.  I
> >>> might even offer a correspondence version if there is enough demand.
> >>>
> >>> Basically the syllabus will consist of teaching thee students to say
> >>> "Stephen J Gould believed in Intelligent Design" without laughing.  I
> >>> think it's a winner;  all my market research suggests that the kind of
> >>> people who would want such a certificate are exactly the who would be
> >>> prepared pay for it.
> >>
> >> Sounds like a winner.  However, you'll probably want to avoid Dover,
> >> Pennsylvania.
> >>
> >> "DOVER, Pa. - Voters came down hard Tuesday on school board members who
> >> backed a statement on intelligent design being read in biology class,
> >> ousting eight Republicans and replacing them with Democrats who want
the
> >> concept stripped from the science curriculum."
> >>
> >> http://www.freenewmexican.com/news/34828.html
> >>
> >> I guess we're not completely beyond hope.  Yet.
> >
> > I'm stunned. Bret showing hope in his fellow Americans.
>
> Even Homer nods.
>
> > I must say, Bret,
> > such an outlandish position being taken would seem to indicate that I've
> > misread your post. I've reread it multiple times but still can't
understand
> > what I'm misunderstanding?
>
> Understanding that you misunderstand is the essence of wisdom.
> Misunderstanding what you understand is a registered trademark of "Project
> for the New American Century".
>
> http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm
>
> (If you haven't seen this before it is worth a look.  Check out the names
> at the bottom, keeping in mind that this was drafted in 1997.)
>
> Bret

"Bill Huffman" <bhuffma1@san.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Bret Ripley" <ripley@gotsky.com> wrote in message
> news:9y9m51v0et7t$.13awdnb9wxik$.dlg@40tude.net...
> > On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 19:31:40 GMT, Bill Huffman wrote:
> >
> > > "Bret Ripley" <ripley@gotsky.net> wrote in message
> > > news:fczx4qigr560.183d6yslt4tsh$.dlg@40tude.net...
> > >> On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 19:23:19 +0000, Lemming wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 02:56:09 GMT, "Bill Huffman"
<bhuffma1@san.rr.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>"me@home.com" <jan.deinhard@googlemail.com> wrote in message
> > >>>>news:1131563304.371934.186430@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > >>>>> Bill Huffman wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> > People claiming a degree from a real school that was never
> received
> > > is
> > >>>>> > probably more common than Derek Smart's kind of academic fraud
> where
> > > he
> > >>>>> > claims a degree that was apparently purchased from a diploma
mill.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Well, is it legal to purchase a degree in the US? I'm pretty sure
it
> > > is
> > >>>>> illegal in germany. It is real fraud here. Not just an immoral
act.
> > >>>>> Same with plagiarism.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>I don't think that it is illegal to purchase or print up a bogus
> diploma
> > >>>>anyplace in the USA. It is illegal to use a bogus degree to defraud
> > > someone
> > >>>>anywhere in the USA. However, that is covered under the general
> > > fraudulent
> > >>>>behavior laws, which are much more difficult to enforce. It is
illegal
> > > to
> > >>>>use  unaccredited  degrees in about nine states. This number is
> growing.
> > > For
> > >>>>example seven years ago it was illegal to use an unaccredited degree
> in
> > > only
> > >>>>one state, Florida. The residental state of my favorite fraud,
Derek.
> > >>>
> > >>> I'm thinking of starting a University in the USA specialising in
> > >>> Intelligent Design.  Two year course, run over two one-week
semesters
> > >>> which abler students may, if they wish, combine into one year.  I
> > >>> might even offer a correspondence version if there is enough demand.
> > >>>
> > >>> Basically the syllabus will consist of teaching thee students to say
> > >>> "Stephen J Gould believed in Intelligent Design" without laughing.
I
> > >>> think it's a winner;  all my market research suggests that the kind
of
> > >>> people who would want such a certificate are exactly the who would
be
> > >>> prepared pay for it.
> > >>
> > >> Sounds like a winner.  However, you'll probably want to avoid Dover,
> > >> Pennsylvania.
> > >>
> > >> "DOVER, Pa. - Voters came down hard Tuesday on school board members
who
> > >> backed a statement on intelligent design being read in biology class,
> > >> ousting eight Republicans and replacing them with Democrats who want
> the
> > >> concept stripped from the science curriculum."
> > >>
> > >> http://www.freenewmexican.com/news/34828.html
> > >>
> > >> I guess we're not completely beyond hope.  Yet.
> > >
> > > I'm stunned. Bret showing hope in his fellow Americans.
> >
> > Even Homer nods.
> >
> > > I must say, Bret,
> > > such an outlandish position being taken would seem to indicate that
I've
> > > misread your post. I've reread it multiple times but still can't
> understand
> > > what I'm misunderstanding?
> >
> > Understanding that you misunderstand is the essence of wisdom.
> > Misunderstanding what you understand is a registered trademark of
"Project
> > for the New American Century".
> >
> > http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm
> >
> > (If you haven't seen this before it is worth a look.  Check out the
names
> > at the bottom, keeping in mind that this was drafted in 1997.)

I'll have to reply to my own post. (Which might be the best post I ever
made.)

A very scary webpage, Bret. So these boneheads were really planning to be
the schoolyard bully of the world as a goal!! Thank goodness that public
opinion appears to finally be turning against these war mongering SOBs. It's
a good thing because otherwise the whole world will hate us and every moslem
in the world will be willing to commit suicide just to mess up a few
americans.

On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 04:12:53 GMT, Bill Huffman wrote:

> "Bill Huffman" <bhuffma1@san.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:v1Udf.5425$Hs.2270@tornado.socal.rr.com...
>>
>> "Bret Ripley" <ripley@gotsky.com> wrote in message
>> news:9y9m51v0et7t$.13awdnb9wxik$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>> On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 19:31:40 GMT, Bill Huffman wrote:
>>>
>>> > "Bret Ripley" <ripley@gotsky.net> wrote in message
>>> > news:fczx4qigr560.183d6yslt4tsh$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>> >> On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 19:23:19 +0000, Lemming wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 02:56:09 GMT, "Bill Huffman"
> <bhuffma1@san.rr.com>
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>"me@home.com" <jan.deinhard@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>>> >>>>news:1131563304.371934.186430@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>> >>>>> Bill Huffman wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> > People claiming a degree from a real school that was never
>> received
>>> > is
>>> >>>>> > probably more common than Derek Smart's kind of academic fraud
>> where
>>> > he
>>> >>>>> > claims a degree that was apparently purchased from a diploma
> mill.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Well, is it legal to purchase a degree in the US? I'm pretty sure
> it
>>> > is
>>> >>>>> illegal in germany. It is real fraud here. Not just an immoral
> act.
>>> >>>>> Same with plagiarism.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>I don't think that it is illegal to purchase or print up a bogus
>> diploma
>>> >>>>anyplace in the USA. It is illegal to use a bogus degree to defraud
>>> > someone
>>> >>>>anywhere in the USA. However, that is covered under the general
>>> > fraudulent
>>> >>>>behavior laws, which are much more difficult to enforce. It is
> illegal
>>> > to
>>> >>>>use  unaccredited  degrees in about nine states. This number is
>> growing.
>>> > For
>>> >>>>example seven years ago it was illegal to use an unaccredited degree
>> in
>>> > only
>>> >>>>one state, Florida. The residental state of my favorite fraud,
> Derek.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I'm thinking of starting a University in the USA specialising in
>>> >>> Intelligent Design.  Two year course, run over two one-week
> semesters
>>> >>> which abler students may, if they wish, combine into one year.  I
>>> >>> might even offer a correspondence version if there is enough demand.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Basically the syllabus will consist of teaching thee students to say
>>> >>> "Stephen J Gould believed in Intelligent Design" without laughing.
> I
>>> >>> think it's a winner;  all my market research suggests that the kind
> of
>>> >>> people who would want such a certificate are exactly the who would
> be
>>> >>> prepared pay for it.
>>> >>
>>> >> Sounds like a winner.  However, you'll probably want to avoid Dover,
>>> >> Pennsylvania.
>>> >>
>>> >> "DOVER, Pa. - Voters came down hard Tuesday on school board members
> who
>>> >> backed a statement on intelligent design being read in biology class,
>>> >> ousting eight Republicans and replacing them with Democrats who want
>> the
>>> >> concept stripped from the science curriculum."
>>> >>
>>> >> http://www.freenewmexican.com/news/34828.html
>>> >>
>>> >> I guess we're not completely beyond hope.  Yet.
>>> >
>>> > I'm stunned. Bret showing hope in his fellow Americans.
>>>
>>> Even Homer nods.
>>>
>>> > I must say, Bret,
>>> > such an outlandish position being taken would seem to indicate that
> I've
>>> > misread your post. I've reread it multiple times but still can't
>> understand
>>> > what I'm misunderstanding?
>>>
>>> Understanding that you misunderstand is the essence of wisdom.
>>> Misunderstanding what you understand is a registered trademark of
> "Project
>>> for the New American Century".
>>>
>>> http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm
>>>
>>> (If you haven't seen this before it is worth a look.  Check out the
> names
>>> at the bottom, keeping in mind that this was drafted in 1997.)
> 
> I'll have to reply to my own post. (Which might be the best post I ever
> made.)
> 
> A very scary webpage, Bret. So these boneheads were really planning to be
> the schoolyard bully of the world as a goal!! 

Not only that, they don't mind advertising the fact.  "What part of 'I'm
evil, don't trust me!', did you not understand?" (Bitter Stevil, "Knights
of the Dinner Table")

Bret