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On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 10:22:51 -0700 (PDT), Justisaur
<just...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 9:51:13 AM UTC-7, Rin Stowleigh wrote:
>> On Tue, 4 Oct 2016 09:10:41 -0700, Justisaur <just...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >Rin Stowleigh wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 15:17:58 -0700, Justisaur <just...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Justisaur wrote:
>> >>>> Not that I can afford it, but another badly optimized console port (The
>> >>>> Crew) has me thinking I need a new CPU (so I'll need a new MB & Memory,
>> >>>> and possibly Power Supply.)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I'm currently running an E6850 Dual Core @ 3.0 GHz.  I'm looking over
>> >>>> the info for CPUs and I see the CPU recommended for GTA V (similar
>> >>>> issues) includes an intel i5-3470, AMD FX-8350.  From what I can see the
>> >>>> AMD costs close to half the price ($159 w $59 gift card vs. 230  and
>> >>>> provides about 25% more power.  Am I missing something?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I haven't considered a non-intel CPU in ages because the last one I got
>> >>>> was a POS and had tons of heat and compatibility issues, but AMD's been
>> >>>> around a long time, so they must be functioning I guess?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Any reason I shouldn't buy one?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Well, while looking them Up on new-egg I see I can buy a whole computer
>> >>>> with an i5-3470 with 8 GB ram for $271.., or oddly one with 4gb for $214
>> >>>> which is less than the CPU by itself. I doubt I could assemble something
>> >>>> like that for anywhere near that price, although I see an 'upgrade kit'
>> >>>> for $294 for the AMD one with 8gb, but free HD loaded with windows,
>> >>>> case, PS etc is hard to argue with, especially if I can swap it out to
>> >>>> my case or give my son the old computer minus the Graphics card (still
>> >>>> have a 270 I can pop in it to make it useable for his lego games, though
>> >>>> I'd definately need a new PS if I did that, and that would probably cost
>> >>>> as much as the computer).
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I did just get $200 for my b-day I could just about buy the full
>> >>>> computer for that.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Or I could forget about buying a CPU to play badly ported console games
>> >>>> and just buy the game for about $12 on the XBOX 360.  That'd save me at
>> >>>> least $200.
>> >>>
>> >>> It looks like all those cheap computers are HP Small Form Factor trash
>> >>> with proprietary case & motherboards that won't actually work for
>> >>> upgrades.
>> >>>
>> >>> I found this one:
>> >>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA8XK4NF8252&cm_re=i7_8gb_refurbished_desktop-_-9SIA8XK4NF8252-_-Product
>> >>>
>> >>> i7 2600 3.4Gz, with 8 GB ram, 1 TB HD, DVD player for $269.  What I'm
>> >>> figuring is buyng that ripping all those parts out and tossing the case,
>> >>> Power-supply & motherboard.  Especially since the CPU itself would cost
>> >>> over $400 by itself, so all the rest just saves me money.  I'd need a
>> >>> new MB, looks like I can get one around $60.  I'd need to buy another
>> >>> case too if if I want my old computer for my son.
>> >>
>> >> Maybe I scanned your post too quickly I can't seem to fully wrap my
>> >> head around the approach you're taking here.  For a low-end CPU, just
>> >> picking up a i5-4690k would give you better results than the 2600 and
>> >> is only about $239.
>> >>
>> >> http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/287?vs=1261
>> >>
>> >> I wouldn't mess with some business class refurb just to harvest the
>> >> CPU.
>> >>
>> >
>> >CPU and Memory, Also the HD & DVD.  I don't NEED another HD or DVD, but 
>> >it's more parts toward another computer for the son.
>> >
>> >According to passmark the i7-2600 is better, but I'm not sure, I've seen 
>> >mentioned GTA & other console ports work better with more cores, which 
>> >the 2600 has 2 +2 logical, vs. 4 cores.  I haven't been able to find 
>> >comparisons for GTA specifically.
>> 
>> 
>> Not trying to force my opinion here or anything but the memory is
>> probably worth thirty bucks probably 1066 DDR3, a used HD 1TB worth
>> maybe $10 (a new one is $50) and a HD is the last component I would
>> ever want used or refurb, because of the moving parts, and you don't
>> know what sort of heat torture its been exposed to in a slim case.
>> 
>
>Wow, I assumed the memory would be much more, it's been 8 years since I bought any... I see I can get 8 gb for $20 now going to 16 is quite the price jump to $85 though so probably not worth it, I also assumed the HD would be worth more too.  That does put a damper on the idea of harvesting those.
>
>> I used to have a slim profile machine refurb many years back, and
>> every time I put anything greater than a 5400rpm drive in it, the
>> drive would last about 8 months.  The system was originally designed
>> and tested with the spec parts, and adding anything of greater
>> performance added heat that the airflow of the case couldn't properly
>> handle.  Added heat tends tol reduce the life of a hard drive, which
>> have a limited average lifespan anyway.
>
>Yeah, we've got some at work, they're doing remarkably well, but then they mostly use web apps and I rarely see more than a couple GB used.   I know they wouldn't work out too well for a gaming computer, which is why I was planning on tossing the MB & Case.
>
>> I doubt you'd care about the passmark score as much as the other
>> benchmarks I posted with those two processors, but even if so redirect
>> attention from the i5-4xxx to the i7-4xxx, and you're into much better
>> passmark scores and the hyperthreading you want.
>
>I just did find some GTA V specific CPU benchmarks.
>
>http://pclab.pl/zdjecia/artykuly/chaostheory/2015/04/gtav/charts5/gtav_vhigh_cpu.png
>
>it looks like the AMDs are significantly slower, so that question answered.
>
>from that link, the ones I was looking at 
>
>AMD FX-8350  - 37 fps min $100
>i7-2600k     - 57 fps min (base not oc) $400+ ($269 in the refurb)
>i5-4690k     - 63 fps min (base not oc) $239
>
>So your recommendation was the best.  I can get a i5-4690 and the memory for less than the refurb with a bit more peace of mind. 
>
>As another option, looking at that chart the best not overclocked (not really into ocing have had enough heat issues in the past) is: 
>
>i7-4790k     - 70 fps min $297
>
>I don't know I'd want to pay an extra $60 for 10% more performance especially at that high of frame rate.  

In games the difference will be somewhat negligible on most games, but
actually 10% in performance gain coming from the CPU versus the GPU is
significant these days, because faster GPUs (i.e. maybe not the one
you have today as much as the one you want in the future) experience a
bottlenecking effect on slower CPUs, so that extra $60 or so might buy
you a lot of future proofing, because a future GPU might hit a wall on
the i5 that it wouldn't hit on the i7.

Also if you look at things line 7Zip and WinRAR performance on the i5
versus the i7 you can sometimes see 100% increases give or take,
making it a much better processor for non gaming use in addition to
lower power draw.

It's usually a get what you pay for scenario with Intel, it just comes
down to whether you will use the stuff you pay for or not.  Given the
10% in the games you want to play plus massive gains in many
multithreaded apps, I'd go for the extra $60 without blinking,
personally.