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On Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 9:51:13 AM UTC-7, Rin Stowleigh wrote:
> On Tue, 4 Oct 2016 09:10:41 -0700, Justisaur <just...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> >Rin Stowleigh wrote:
> >> On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 15:17:58 -0700, Justisaur <just...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Justisaur wrote:
> >>>> Not that I can afford it, but another badly optimized console port (The
> >>>> Crew) has me thinking I need a new CPU (so I'll need a new MB & Memory,
> >>>> and possibly Power Supply.)
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm currently running an E6850 Dual Core @ 3.0 GHz.  I'm looking over
> >>>> the info for CPUs and I see the CPU recommended for GTA V (similar
> >>>> issues) includes an intel i5-3470, AMD FX-8350.  From what I can see the
> >>>> AMD costs close to half the price ($159 w $59 gift card vs. 230  and
> >>>> provides about 25% more power.  Am I missing something?
> >>>>
> >>>> I haven't considered a non-intel CPU in ages because the last one I got
> >>>> was a POS and had tons of heat and compatibility issues, but AMD's been
> >>>> around a long time, so they must be functioning I guess?
> >>>>
> >>>> Any reason I shouldn't buy one?
> >>>>
> >>>> Well, while looking them Up on new-egg I see I can buy a whole computer
> >>>> with an i5-3470 with 8 GB ram for $271.., or oddly one with 4gb for $214
> >>>> which is less than the CPU by itself. I doubt I could assemble something
> >>>> like that for anywhere near that price, although I see an 'upgrade kit'
> >>>> for $294 for the AMD one with 8gb, but free HD loaded with windows,
> >>>> case, PS etc is hard to argue with, especially if I can swap it out to
> >>>> my case or give my son the old computer minus the Graphics card (still
> >>>> have a 270 I can pop in it to make it useable for his lego games, though
> >>>> I'd definately need a new PS if I did that, and that would probably cost
> >>>> as much as the computer).
> >>>>
> >>>> I did just get $200 for my b-day I could just about buy the full
> >>>> computer for that.
> >>>>
> >>>> Or I could forget about buying a CPU to play badly ported console games
> >>>> and just buy the game for about $12 on the XBOX 360.  That'd save me at
> >>>> least $200.
> >>>
> >>> It looks like all those cheap computers are HP Small Form Factor trash
> >>> with proprietary case & motherboards that won't actually work for
> >>> upgrades.
> >>>
> >>> I found this one:
> >>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA8XK4NF8252&cm_re=i7_8gb_refurbished_desktop-_-9SIA8XK4NF8252-_-Product
> >>>
> >>> i7 2600 3.4Gz, with 8 GB ram, 1 TB HD, DVD player for $269.  What I'm
> >>> figuring is buyng that ripping all those parts out and tossing the case,
> >>> Power-supply & motherboard.  Especially since the CPU itself would cost
> >>> over $400 by itself, so all the rest just saves me money.  I'd need a
> >>> new MB, looks like I can get one around $60.  I'd need to buy another
> >>> case too if if I want my old computer for my son.
> >>
> >> Maybe I scanned your post too quickly I can't seem to fully wrap my
> >> head around the approach you're taking here.  For a low-end CPU, just
> >> picking up a i5-4690k would give you better results than the 2600 and
> >> is only about $239.
> >>
> >> http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/287?vs=1261
> >>
> >> I wouldn't mess with some business class refurb just to harvest the
> >> CPU.
> >>
> >
> >CPU and Memory, Also the HD & DVD.  I don't NEED another HD or DVD, but 
> >it's more parts toward another computer for the son.
> >
> >According to passmark the i7-2600 is better, but I'm not sure, I've seen 
> >mentioned GTA & other console ports work better with more cores, which 
> >the 2600 has 2 +2 logical, vs. 4 cores.  I haven't been able to find 
> >comparisons for GTA specifically.
> 
> 
> Not trying to force my opinion here or anything but the memory is
> probably worth thirty bucks probably 1066 DDR3, a used HD 1TB worth
> maybe $10 (a new one is $50) and a HD is the last component I would
> ever want used or refurb, because of the moving parts, and you don't
> know what sort of heat torture its been exposed to in a slim case.
> 

Wow, I assumed the memory would be much more, it's been 8 years since I bought any... I see I can get 8 gb for $20 now going to 16 is quite the price jump to $85 though so probably not worth it, I also assumed the HD would be worth more too.  That does put a damper on the idea of harvesting those.

> I used to have a slim profile machine refurb many years back, and
> every time I put anything greater than a 5400rpm drive in it, the
> drive would last about 8 months.  The system was originally designed
> and tested with the spec parts, and adding anything of greater
> performance added heat that the airflow of the case couldn't properly
> handle.  Added heat tends tol reduce the life of a hard drive, which
> have a limited average lifespan anyway.

Yeah, we've got some at work, they're doing remarkably well, but then they mostly use web apps and I rarely see more than a couple GB used.   I know they wouldn't work out too well for a gaming computer, which is why I was planning on tossing the MB & Case.

> I doubt you'd care about the passmark score as much as the other
> benchmarks I posted with those two processors, but even if so redirect
> attention from the i5-4xxx to the i7-4xxx, and you're into much better
> passmark scores and the hyperthreading you want.

I just did find some GTA V specific CPU benchmarks.

http://pclab.pl/zdjecia/artykuly/chaostheory/2015/04/gtav/charts5/gtav_vhigh_cpu.png

it looks like the AMDs are significantly slower, so that question answered.

from that link, the ones I was looking at 

AMD FX-8350  - 37 fps min $100
i7-2600k     - 57 fps min (base not oc) $400+ ($269 in the refurb)
i5-4690k     - 63 fps min (base not oc) $239

So your recommendation was the best.  I can get a i5-4690 and the memory for less than the refurb with a bit more peace of mind. 

As another option, looking at that chart the best not overclocked (not really into ocing have had enough heat issues in the past) is: 

i7-4790k     - 70 fps min $297

I don't know I'd want to pay an extra $60 for 10% more performance especially at that high of frame rate.  

- Justisaur