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On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 18:07:07 +0100, Werner Punz <we...@gmx.at> wrote:

>Am 14.11.15 um 17:23 schrieb Rin Stowleigh:
>> One big problem with Apple, it applies to OSX and iOS -- they just
>> completely disregard backward compatibility.  They invest nothing to
>> keep backlevel versions of anything operable.  They make money by
>> selling hardware so their business model depends on keeping the
>> consumer always buying the latest and greatest every couple of years.
>> This is a nightmare for certain types of software, including gaming,
>> hardware drivers etc.
>>
>Actually the situation on OSX has been relatively stable for the last 10 
>years. Besides that backwards compatibility never really was an issue 
>for console manufacturers (Sony being the prime example).

I would sharply disagree here.  I use software called Cubase.  The
Windows version sometimes gets screwed slightly by an OS upgrade (as
it did recently with Windows 10), introducing some minor breaking
change that screws up the application, but it's a common occurance
that Cubase gets fucked by subsequent OS X versions (and audio
processing is one of Apples strongest communities for OS X).  They
have done similar things with Logic Pro and Final Cut at the
application level that rendered projects created in previous versions
completely obsolete, no upgrade path.

And since one of the things I do as part of my career is write
Objective C and Swift code using XCode, I can't tell you how many
times they have broken shit.  Even the Swift language itself is kind
of an ongoing joke.  Each minor update breaks something with existing
Swift code -- it's an extremely poorly thought out language that they
seem to be figuring out as they go along.


>The cut on the Mac was severe when they switched from OS9 to OSX.
>Sure they break a little bit from time to time, but overall the APIs on 
>OSX are pretty stable. IOS is a different beast in this regard but that 
>did not stop it from becoming a major gaming platform.
>
>> Some people don't realize what a fantastic technological feat is that
>> Windows can still run software that is 10, 20, 30 years old.
>Microsoft just killed certain drm schemes of the 2000s basically 
>rendering hundreds of old games useless, which never will run on Windows 
>10. Most of them over time will probably run decently again in VMs 
>running older Windows versions but for now they are basically locked out 
>of Windows.
>Also most of the old dos games nowadays are not playable natively 
>anymore, you have to use emulators like dosbox.
>
>In my opinion backwards compatibility is overrated and does not work 
>that well on windows. VMs are probably a better way to keep backwards 
>compatibility in the long run.

VMs come with a brutal performance penalty that is intolerable if
you're fast at what you do.  We'll have to agree to disagree about the
importance of backward compatibility.

I don't know if you've ever written C# code, but it's infinitely
better thought-out than Swift and ObjC.  The language designers and
developers at Apple are not even worthy of doing yardwork for some of
the programming minds that are still at Microsoft.