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Shot wrote:

>>I don't see how there's even a case.  The name of the game is Wing
>>Commander Secret Ops.  Play the game.  There's no "Prophecy: Secret
>>Ops," it's just Secret Ops.  Also, play the game.  You don't need
>>Prophecy to play, so it's not an addon.  There's just no case as to
>>whether it's a separate game or not.
>>What else would they call Prophecy and Secret Ops packaged together?
>>Prophecy Gold is as good a name as any.
> 
> 
> Add-on: Denotes a commercial package that enhances an existing game
> (additional levels, race tracks, etc.) or requires an existing game to run
> (Quake "total conversions", etc.). Part of the Other Attributes category
> 
> That Moby Games definition for an add on. Moby games is a site that has
> cataloged pretty much every game ever made. It includes things like reviews

So this makes them the definitive, never-wrong source?

> as well as pictures of the actual box. You are partly right, an add on CAN
> require an existing game... but it doesn't have to. It can just enhance a

It typically does.

> game, and it can most definitely NOT require an existing game. I can think
> of add on's that didnt require the game to play. Interstate 76's Nitro Pack
> said right on the label it was an add on but it DID NOT require you to have
> the original game. It was installed and played right from the cd you bought.
> I just installed the game without Interstate 76 on my hard drive to test it
> out and I am right. Also Interstate Nitro Riders. It is called a "stand
> alone add on" at moby.
> http://www.mobygames.com/game/sheet/gameId,2287/

Exception to the rule.

> Here is another one right from Mobys web site, a game that was marketed as
> "stand alone" but they dont seem to think it was. This is relevant just to

Again, the fact that "they dont [sic] seem to think it was" doesn't make 
them correct.

> show you that it is not a "case closed" thing. There IS debate, and your
> attitude of how can anyone possibly believe this is an add on is one cocky
> stupid attitude.

Nevermind that Origin stated clearly that it was a standalone game, right?

> http://www.mobygames.com/game/sheet/gameId,684/
> Thats "Oh No More Lemmings". Marketed as a stand alone game... but it wasn'
> t....
> http://www.mobygames.com/game/sheet/gameId,1822/
> And theres Wing Commander: Secret Ops itself. It "Continues the story of
> Wing Commander Prophecy". "Secret Ops uses essentially the same engine as
> Prophecy. You can fly upgraded versions of the Prophecy fighters equipped
> with some new weapons. The story is no longer told with videos but with cut
> scenes using the game engine. "

By this logic above (with the exception of the videos, which is a moot 
point anyway), WCII was an add-on to WCI and WCIV was an add-on to WCIII.

> Now granted this description can sort of help your case considering they
> dont out and out say "Although marketed as a stand alone product, its still
> an add on". But the language sure speaks it. Yull also notice that for some
> games like Wing Commander Prophecy itself there are alternate tittles for
> them. Wing Commander Prophecies alternate title is "Wing Commander 5".

Wrong. While some people refer to WCP as WCV/WC5, the numerical system 
was officially dropped _by Origin_ after WCIV. WCV/WC5 is not an 
alternate title.

> http://www.mobygames.com/game/sheet/gameId,486/
> Wing Commander: Secret Ops has no such alternate title. And here is the last
> straw http://www.mobygames.com/game/sheet/gameId,2659/
> Right there. For Wing Commander Prophecy Gold. Quote "This "gold" package
> contains Wing Commander Prophecy and the "Secret Ops" expansion pack. The

Again, you assume that a some repository and review site, however 
expansive, is the definitive source. Origin, the company that made the 
WC games, is a far more solid source for their own games.

> Secret Ops pack was previously only available as downloadable missions off
> of the 'Web."

And this supports your point...how? Oh, it doesn't. If anything, the 
completely different means of delivery -- episodic downloads -- supports 
the stand-alone viewpoint.

> It is time that you quit this stupid cocky "I am right and there is no
> debate about it" attitude of yours. THERE IS MOST DEFINITELY DEBATE! IT IS
> OUT THERE!!! People call that game an expansion pack. The only thing that is
> certain is that there IS doubt. It is not a "I cant believe people think
> this". I can believe that you think its a stand alone game, but how dare you
> not see my point. How dare you. There is debate, thank you, and goodnight!

Just about anything can be debated. Doesn't mean there isn't a "right" 
answer. In this case, the simple fact is that one side (for stand-alone) 
has far more viable and official support on its side. Like it or not.

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