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"DBD_Sandman" <chris@canddcomputers.com> skrev i en meddelelse
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> Don't it just suck that you will have to pay a monthly subscription fee
just
> to play World of Warcraft on line. I can see where the company is coming
> from since they are providing the servers to play on but why start now
with
> the best game you have come out with. So what does everyone else think? Do
> think WoW should be free and possibly ask for donations to play online or
> should they have a flat monthly fee whether you play the game once a month
> or 24-7?


hmm .. nay ... played UO for 3 years - payed 10 $/month
the money goes to make the game better

Gismo

<snip>
 So what does everyone else think? Do
> think WoW should be free and possibly ask for donations to play online or
> should they have a flat monthly fee whether you play the game once a month
> or 24-7?
<snip>

the most fair solution would be diferent rates for ppl who play different
number of hours, but you didn't mention the price of the monthly fee...

hayman
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"hayman" <holmankevin@hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
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> <snip>
>  So what does everyone else think? Do
> > think WoW should be free and possibly ask for donations to play online
or
> > should they have a flat monthly fee whether you play the game once a
month
> > or 24-7?
> <snip>
>
> the most fair solution would be diferent rates for ppl who play different
> number of hours, but you didn't mention the price of the monthly fee...


if you play little it should cost more or ?? if you play alot it should work
24/7 to pay for it ?

something like 10$ month is ok for me

Gismo

"Gismo" <stivnisse@[XXXX]hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "hayman" <holmankevin@hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:3f44e3bd$0$247$4d4ebb8e@news.nl.uu.net...
> > <snip>
> >  So what does everyone else think? Do
> > > think WoW should be free and possibly ask for donations to play online
> or
> > > should they have a flat monthly fee whether you play the game once a
> month
> > > or 24-7?
> > <snip>
> >
> > the most fair solution would be diferent rates for ppl who play
different
> > number of hours, but you didn't mention the price of the monthly fee...
>
>
> if you play little it should cost more or ?? if you play alot it should
work
> 24/7 to pay for it ?
>
> something like 10$ month is ok for me
>
> Gismo
>
>

If they charge ANY amount of cash montly then the game disk should be free,
I hate paying 30 - 60 dollars for a game and then a monthly fee on TOP of
the game price.

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DBD_Sandman wrote:
> 
> Don't it just suck that you will have to pay a monthly subscription fee just
> to play World of Warcraft on line. I can see where the company is coming
> from since they are providing the servers to play on but why start now with
> the best game you have come out with. So what does everyone else think? Do
> think WoW should be free and possibly ask for donations to play online or
> should they have a flat monthly fee whether you play the game once a month
> or 24-7?

I think that any surprise expressed at the idea that WoW would have a
monthly fee must be disingenuous, given the state of MMORPGs today.

That said, I'll gladly pay the fee if WoW lives up to my expectations.

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"DBD_Sandman" <chris@canddcomputers.com> wrote in message
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> Don't it just suck that you will have to pay a monthly subscription fee
just
> to play World of Warcraft on line. I can see where the company is coming
> from since they are providing the servers to play on but why start now
with
> the best game you have come out with. So what does everyone else think? Do
> think WoW should be free and possibly ask for donations to play online or
> should they have a flat monthly fee whether you play the game once a month
> or 24-7?

That would only promote pirated sites. No one is gonna pay for playing
online. I won't either.
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Its just insane to think someone would make a -free- MMORPG..

Ok, yeah you did buy the disk, thats a one time cash thing for bliz. What
happends 2-3 years down the road when nobody really buys it, server costs
are through the roof? It becomes a drain, you wont see a free MMORPG that
has any scrap of quality anytime soon.

> Its just insane to think someone would make a -free- MMORPG..
>
> Ok, yeah you did buy the disk, thats a one time cash thing for bliz. What
> happends 2-3 years down the road when nobody really buys it, server costs
> are through the roof? It becomes a drain, you wont see a free MMORPG that
> has any scrap of quality anytime soon.
>
not every product they make will be a succes, I think blizz. realizes
that...
but ppl will, like steven said, find ways around the payment.
cause ppl dont expect to pay for something they allready bought unless there
is no other way.(except julie D'aubigny, if it meets up with her
expectations)

$10 a Month is what I call a lot, if you allready payed $40 to $60 for the
game.
so either make the game-cd free(to get a lot of paying ppl playing the game)
or the fee so low that ppl wont think about pirating the site.
neither will ever happen, cause they will never even think about any thing
else than the cash they think they are going to make.
bussines is bussines.


hayman

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"hayman" <holmankevin@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > Its just insane to think someone would make a -free- MMORPG..
> >
> > Ok, yeah you did buy the disk, thats a one time cash thing for bliz.
What
> > happends 2-3 years down the road when nobody really buys it, server
costs
> > are through the roof? It becomes a drain, you wont see a free MMORPG
that
> > has any scrap of quality anytime soon.
> >
> not every product they make will be a succes, I think blizz. realizes
> that...
> but ppl will, like steven said, find ways around the payment.
> cause ppl dont expect to pay for something they allready bought unless
there
> is no other way.(except julie D'aubigny, if it meets up with her
> expectations)
>
> $10 a Month is what I call a lot, if you allready payed $40 to $60 for the
> game.
> so either make the game-cd free(to get a lot of paying ppl playing the
game)
> or the fee so low that ppl wont think about pirating the site.
> neither will ever happen, cause they will never even think about any thing
> else than the cash they think they are going to make.
> bussines is bussines.
>
Not really. I've seen MMORPG that had the disk either free or about HKD 10
(about USD 2).

<SNIP>
> Not really. I've seen MMORPG that had the disk either free or about HKD 10
> (about USD 2).

thats still not free ;)
although I must admit that its very cheap, how much was the monthly fee?

hayman,
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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Steven Ung wrote:

> "DBD_Sandman" <chris@canddcomputers.com> wrote in message
> news:bi2m9i$qr8$1@news.gate.net...
> > Don't it just suck that you will have to pay a monthly subscription fee
> just
> > to play World of Warcraft on line. I can see where the company is coming
> > from since they are providing the servers to play on but why start now
> with
> > the best game you have come out with. So what does everyone else think? Do
> > think WoW should be free and possibly ask for donations to play online or
> > should they have a flat monthly fee whether you play the game once a month
> > or 24-7?
>
> That would only promote pirated sites. No one is gonna pay for playing
> online. I won't either.
> --
> Steven Ung, ICQ# : 65203722, BattleNet Nick : SuperNuubie
>

I've beta tested some MMORPGs in the past, and never found a single
feature in them that was worth paying a monthly fee for.  I'm going to try
and beta test WoW just so I can have played it, but I flat out refuse to
pay monthly for something like that.  Part of the allure of computer games
is the ability to leave them alone for a while and come back later to play
more, and *not* be charged for the unused time.

I'd be willing to make donations here and there to keep battle.net free,
but I'd only make them when I was actively playing.  The only way I'd pay
for WoW is if it was metered by actual play time, since then I'd get my
money's worth and not waste cash when I've got other concerns.

/end starving college student rant

-pogle

> If they charge ANY amount of cash montly then the game disk should be
free,
> I hate paying 30 - 60 dollars for a game and then a monthly fee on TOP of
> the game price.

Well usualy, you get like 3 free months of playing, so it covers the price
of the game

> That would only promote pirated sites. No one is gonna pay for playing
> online. I won't either.


Have you heard of everquest, sims online ?  People ARE paying to play
online.  Maybe just you will not.

Even if you have a pirated version you still need to have an account that is
paid for to play the game on their servers.

>
> I've beta tested some MMORPGs in the past, and never found a single
> feature in them that was worth paying a monthly fee for.  I'm going to try
> and beta test WoW just so I can have played it, but I flat out refuse to
> pay monthly for something like that.  Part of the allure of computer games
> is the ability to leave them alone for a while and come back later to play
> more, and *not* be charged for the unused time.

wow, is canceling an account that hard?

> I'd be willing to make donations here and there to keep battle.net free,
> but I'd only make them when I was actively playing.  The only way I'd pay
> for WoW is if it was metered by actual play time, since then I'd get my
> money's worth and not waste cash when I've got other concerns.
>
> /end starving college student rant

Maybe you should be studying instead of screwing off playing video games?

Uh, MMORPG emulation servers -are not- that popular at the time. The only
games I can even think of with emulation servers are UO and EQ these are
both old and popular so I doubt you can find a way around the WoW payment,
gl

"Gismo" <stivnisse@[XXXX]hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "DBD_Sandman" <chris@canddcomputers.com> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:bi2m9i$qr8$1@news.gate.net...
> > Don't it just suck that you will have to pay a monthly subscription fee
> just
> > to play World of Warcraft on line. I can see where the company is coming
> > from since they are providing the servers to play on but why start now
> with
> > the best game you have come out with. So what does everyone else think?
Do
> > think WoW should be free and possibly ask for donations to play online
or
> > should they have a flat monthly fee whether you play the game once a
month
> > or 24-7?
>
>
> hmm .. nay ... played UO for 3 years - payed 10 $/month
> the money goes to make the game better
>
> Gismo
>
>

    I can't believe that people would quibble over paying $10.00/ month for
this.  I'm by no means rich... lower middle class really, but this is about
what you'd pay for a movie and a coke.  People don't balk at paying $10.00
for 2 hours of entertainment, but complain when they pay the same amount for
something that will likely entertain them for upwards of 20-100 hours a
month?!?  <Boggles>

"DBD_Sandman" <ch...@canddcomputers.com> wrote in message
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> Don't it just suck that you will have to pay a monthly subscription fee
just
> to play World of Warcraft on line. I can see where the company is coming
> from since they are providing the servers to play on but why start now
with
> the best game you have come out with.

 Surely your best game is the right game to start this policy with.

>So what does everyone else think? Do
> think WoW should be free and possibly ask for donations to play online or
> should they have a flat monthly fee whether you play the game once a month
> or 24-7?

 Who cares what we think. Blizzard is a company. They want cash. They'll go
for the best way of getting it.

d


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On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 10:30:49 +0100, "distant"
<distant5939@hottttttmail.com> wrote:

>
>"DBD_Sandman" <chris@canddcomputers.com> wrote in message
>news:bi2m9i$qr8$1@news.gate.net...
>> Don't it just suck that you will have to pay a monthly subscription fee
>just
>> to play World of Warcraft on line. I can see where the company is coming
>> from since they are providing the servers to play on but why start now
>with
>> the best game you have come out with.
>
> Surely your best game is the right game to start this policy with.
>
Sure but first you have to hand over the starting price, 
how do you know it doesnt suck ? Magazins ?? Dont be ridiculous.

>>So what does everyone else think? Do
>> think WoW should be free and possibly ask for donations to play online or
>> should they have a flat monthly fee whether you play the game once a month
>> or 24-7?
>
> Who cares what we think. Blizzard is a company. They want cash. They'll go
>for the best way of getting it.
>
I once saw a friend playing a game.. camelot something.. he waited for
a mana refill or similar for 15 minutes doing nothing. What kind of
game is this ?  As you cant TEST games like this b4, a monthly fee
would be the only way to go.

And YESS, i will never forget Bethesda Software with Daggerfall.
Excellent previews, a rpg game released while anything past
hour 4 wasnt programmed yet. Amazing.

Another isssue is graphics. Ever saw an mmorg with gfx, that doesnt
complety suck ?

I played Diablo 2 for a very long time, so it will be very expensive
even without a package price.. if its good.

tom

"Steven Ung" <127.0.0.1@gtekmy.po.my> wrote in message
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> "DBD_Sandman" <chris@canddcomputers.com> wrote in message
> news:bi2m9i$qr8$1@news.gate.net...
> > Don't it just suck that you will have to pay a monthly subscription fee
> just
> > to play World of Warcraft on line. I can see where the company is coming
> > from since they are providing the servers to play on but why start now
> with
> > the best game you have come out with. So what does everyone else think?
Do
> > think WoW should be free and possibly ask for donations to play online
or
> > should they have a flat monthly fee whether you play the game once a
month
> > or 24-7?
>
> That would only promote pirated sites. No one is gonna pay for playing
> online. I won't either.

Gismo will pay
(but it will be hard for him to find opponents)     :)

tom@no.com wrote:
> 
> And YESS, i will never forget Bethesda Software with Daggerfall.
> Excellent previews, a rpg game released while anything past
> hour 4 wasnt programmed yet. Amazing.

Did you actually play it past hour 4?

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>
> > If they charge ANY amount of cash montly then the game disk should be
> free,
> > I hate paying 30 - 60 dollars for a game and then a monthly fee on TOP
of
> > the game price.
>
> Well usualy, you get like 3 free months of playing, so it covers the price
> of the game


Remember what you get for the money.
Lots of patches - Gm to help you and make quest and lots of other stuff...

Remember what you pay to play foodball, golf of tennis !

Gismo

"Steven Ung" <127.0.0.1@gtekmy.po.my> skrev i en meddelelse
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> "DBD_Sandman" <chris@canddcomputers.com> wrote in message
> news:bi2m9i$qr8$1@news.gate.net...
> > Don't it just suck that you will have to pay a monthly subscription fee
> just
> > to play World of Warcraft on line. I can see where the company is coming
> > from since they are providing the servers to play on but why start now
> with
> > the best game you have come out with. So what does everyone else think?
Do
> > think WoW should be free and possibly ask for donations to play online
or
> > should they have a flat monthly fee whether you play the game once a
month
> > or 24-7?
>
> That would only promote pirated sites. No one is gonna pay for playing
> online. I won't either.


I played Ultima Online for 3 years, Daoc for 1 month, tryed some other
mmorpg games - none was as good as UO - That game had something that was
worth paying for

If it want to play football i have to pay some money to a club for using
balls, foodballfield and stuff like that - so whats wrong paying for a game
?

Gismo

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> I've beta tested some MMORPGs in the past, and never found a single
> feature in them that was worth paying a monthly fee for.  I'm going to try
> and beta test WoW just so I can have played it, but I flat out refuse to
> pay monthly for something like that.  Part of the allure of computer games
> is the ability to leave them alone for a while and come back later to play
> more, and *not* be charged for the unused time.

Curse there havent been any good mmorpg games latly ... Last good game was
UO, maby EQ (mean its free to play when you buy it) - SW:G might bee good,
havnt tryed it yet.

> I'd be willing to make donations here and there to keep battle.net free,
> but I'd only make them when I was actively playing.  The only way I'd pay
> for WoW is if it was metered by actual play time, since then I'd get my
> money's worth and not waste cash when I've got other concerns.

Most mmorpg games you can pay some money each month or use gametime to pay
for the time you are online - if you play 2 hours / month youll pay less
than one who play 200 hours :) nice system for those who play little

Gismo

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> "Steven Ung" <127.0.0.1@gtekmy.po.my> wrote in message
> news:bi3nep$4t0ur$1@ID-121643.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > "DBD_Sandman" <chris@canddcomputers.com> wrote in message
> > news:bi2m9i$qr8$1@news.gate.net...
> > > Don't it just suck that you will have to pay a monthly subscription
fee
> > just
> > > to play World of Warcraft on line. I can see where the company is
coming
> > > from since they are providing the servers to play on but why start now
> > with
> > > the best game you have come out with. So what does everyone else
think?
> Do
> > > think WoW should be free and possibly ask for donations to play online
> or
> > > should they have a flat monthly fee whether you play the game once a
> month
> > > or 24-7?
> >
> > That would only promote pirated sites. No one is gonna pay for playing
> > online. I won't either.
>
> Gismo will pay
> (but it will be hard for him to find opponents)     :)

Not really, he could always do a 1 vs 7 CPU games :P
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> > Gismo will pay
> > (but it will be hard for him to find opponents)     :)
>
> Not really, he could always do a 1 vs 7 CPU games :P


Ill create my own little world where im GOD

I might start on SW:G soon ... if its a good game :)

Gismo

> Gismo will pay
> (but it will be hard for him to find opponents)     :)

Are you nutzz??  this game will be a success!!!

"Picture Dots" <webmaster@brimstonedragons.com> a écrit dans le message de
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> Uh, MMORPG emulation servers -are not- that popular at the time. The only
> games I can even think of with emulation servers are UO and EQ these are
> both old and popular so I doubt you can find a way around the WoW payment,

You're right on this one.  Who will want to play on free servers when you
those will be shut down in 1-2 months?  In this game, time will maters, you
will grow stronger, grow alliance, friends and enemies..  It's impossible to
enjoye when you have to start over at 2 months interval.  It would be like
to reborn again without remembering anything...

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>
> > Gismo will pay
> > (but it will be hard for him to find opponents)     :)
>
> Are you nutzz??  this game will be a success!!!

Lots of ppl will pay .. just see how many there are paying for UO, Daoc, Ao
and all the other mmorpg games

Gismo

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> "Bizoune Bizoune" <No__SPAM____tremorchrist@hotmail.com____No___SPAM>
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> >
> > > Gismo will pay
> > > (but it will be hard for him to find opponents)     :)
> >
> > Are you nutzz??  this game will be a success!!!
>
> Lots of ppl will pay .. just see how many there are paying for UO, Daoc,
Ao
> and all the other mmorpg games

Okay now, compare those figures with the number of players playing StarCraft
/ WarCraft on Blizzard servers. What do you see?

An Ant hill vs the sky difference, innit? :P
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Steven Ung wrote:
> 
> "Gismo" <stivnisse@[XXXX]hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Bizoune Bizoune" <No__SPAM____tremorchrist@hotmail.com____No___SPAM>
> skrev
> > i en meddelelse news:gur2b.8700$qA3.740639@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
> > >
> > > > Gismo will pay
> > > > (but it will be hard for him to find opponents)     :)
> > >
> > > Are you nutzz??  this game will be a success!!!
> >
> > Lots of ppl will pay .. just see how many there are paying for UO, Daoc,
> Ao
> > and all the other mmorpg games
> 
> Okay now, compare those figures with the number of players playing StarCraft
> / WarCraft on Blizzard servers. What do you see?
> 
> An Ant hill vs the sky difference, innit? :P

I see that Blizzard should prepare for a massive server slam when WoW is
available.

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"Steven Ung" <127.0.0.1@gtekmy.po.my> skrev i en meddelelse
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> > Lots of ppl will pay .. just see how many there are paying for UO, Daoc,
> Ao
> > and all the other mmorpg games
>
> Okay now, compare those figures with the number of players playing
StarCraft
> / WarCraft on Blizzard servers. What do you see?

d2, sc, bw, wc3 .... if you got 1 hour / week you can play those games. Hard
to play a mmorpg games if you only put few hours into it.

 I know theres alot who still play d2, sc .... still, alot will pay for
other net games like WoW .. :)

Gismo

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> "Steven Ung" <127.0.0.1@gtekmy.po.my> skrev i en meddelelse
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>
> > > Lots of ppl will pay .. just see how many there are paying for UO,
Daoc,
> > Ao
> > > and all the other mmorpg games
> >
> > Okay now, compare those figures with the number of players playing
> StarCraft
> > / WarCraft on Blizzard servers. What do you see?
>
> d2, sc, bw, wc3 .... if you got 1 hour / week you can play those games.
Hard
> to play a mmorpg games if you only put few hours into it.

Precisely. The only people I know that fits that criteria (time) is college
students (who flunk :P). That said, most of them would prefer to spend their
money on more important things (such as girls, booze other inanely
unimportant stuffs) rather than on games.

>  I know theres alot who still play d2, sc .... still, alot will pay for
> other net games like WoW .. :)

Like I've said, they're like a drop of water into the Pacific ocean. :=)
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> > d2, sc, bw, wc3 .... if you got 1 hour / week you can play those games.
> Hard
> > to play a mmorpg games if you only put few hours into it.
>
> Precisely. The only people I know that fits that criteria (time) is
college
> students (who flunk :P). That said, most of them would prefer to spend
their
> money on more important things (such as girls, booze other inanely
> unimportant stuffs) rather than on games.

I know lots of ppl from 10 to 50 who plays mmorpg games and spent lots of
time on it ... Allso ppl who are maried and have kids !

> >  I know theres alot who still play d2, sc .... still, alot will pay for
> > other net games like WoW .. :)
>
> Like I've said, they're like a drop of water into the Pacific ocean. :=)

See how big UO was, how many who plays EQ ... There are lots of ppl who
wants to pay for it.

online games like d2, wc, bw are a dif kind of game than mmorpg games ...
Not sure how to explan it, you just have to try it hehe

Gismo

On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 21:02:54 GMT, Julie d'Aubigny
<kalimagdalene@comcast.net> wrote:

>tom@no.com wrote:
>> 
>> And YESS, i will never forget Bethesda Software with Daggerfall.
>> Excellent previews, a rpg game released while anything past
>> hour 4 wasnt programmed yet. Amazing.
>
>Did you actually play it past hour 4?

yes. it was the 2nd big quest i think at hour 10 or 20, dont know
anymore. it was impossible to get a puzzle straight. luckily i had
an internet connection and could get the patch some days
later, but.. there were lots of patches coming and each readme
detailed lots of bugs affecting the possible progress of the
storyline.

so it was basically like playing a game that was still in development,
while constantly getting patches from the net.

i know blizzard wont do such a crap, but i am still reluctant to pay
for an online surprise in advance.

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> >
> > "Bizoune Bizoune" <No__SPAM____tremorchrist@hotmail.com____No___SPAM>
> skrev
> > i en meddelelse news:gur2b.8700$qA3.740639@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
> > >
> > > > Gismo will pay
> > > > (but it will be hard for him to find opponents)     :)
> > >
> > > Are you nutzz??  this game will be a success!!!
> >
> > Lots of ppl will pay .. just see how many there are paying for UO, Daoc,
> Ao
> > and all the other mmorpg games
>
> Okay now, compare those figures with the number of players playing
StarCraft
> / WarCraft on Blizzard servers. What do you see?
>
> An Ant hill vs the sky difference, innit? :P

X million people playing BNet times no monthly payment = Zero income
(X/10) million people playing WoW times $10/month = X million dollars income
a month.

Get it yet? =)

-- 
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"I ask for so little. Just fear me, love me, do as I say and I will be your
slave." - Jarerth the Goblin King, Labyrinth

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> X million people playing BNet times no monthly payment = Zero income
> (X/10) million people playing WoW times $10/month = X million dollars
income
> a month.
>
> Get it yet? =)
>


Blizz have to spent more to have a mmorpg game running than a game like d2
...
lets just hope wow is worth paying and waiting for

Gismo

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>
> "Steven Ung" <127.0.0.1@gtekmy.po.my> wrote in message
> news:biecom$8ffts$1@ID-121643.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > "Gismo" <stivnisse@[XXXX]hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:3f4a6721$0$97192$edfadb0f@dread12.news.tele.dk...
> > >
> > > "Bizoune Bizoune" <No__SPAM____tremorchrist@hotmail.com____No___SPAM>
> > skrev
> > > i en meddelelse news:gur2b.8700$qA3.740639@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
> > > >
> > > > > Gismo will pay
> > > > > (but it will be hard for him to find opponents)     :)
> > > >
> > > > Are you nutzz??  this game will be a success!!!
> > >
> > > Lots of ppl will pay .. just see how many there are paying for UO,
Daoc,
> > Ao
> > > and all the other mmorpg games
> >
> > Okay now, compare those figures with the number of players playing
> StarCraft
> > / WarCraft on Blizzard servers. What do you see?
> >
> > An Ant hill vs the sky difference, innit? :P
>
> X million people playing BNet times no monthly payment = Zero income
> (X/10) million people playing WoW times $10/month = X million dollars
income
> a month.

> Get it yet? =)

Of course, that was the point of charging people. Blizzard is not a charity
organization, you know ;-)

The main point here is that will you pay to play online even though you had
bought the game.

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> "Simond" <simond@.boredofspamnow.apocalypsecow.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Steven Ung" <127.0.0.1@gtekmy.po.my> wrote in message
> > news:biecom$8ffts$1@ID-121643.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > "Gismo" <stivnisse@[XXXX]hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:3f4a6721$0$97192$edfadb0f@dread12.news.tele.dk...
> > > >
> > > > "Bizoune Bizoune" <No__SPAM____tremorchrist@hotmail.com____No___SPAM>
>  skrev
> > > > i en meddelelse news:gur2b.8700$qA3.740639@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
> > > > >
> > > > > > Gismo will pay
> > > > > > (but it will be hard for him to find opponents)     :)
> > > > >
> > > > > Are you nutzz??  this game will be a success!!!
> > > >
> > > > Lots of ppl will pay .. just see how many there are paying for UO,
>  Daoc,
>  Ao
> > > > and all the other mmorpg games
> > >
> > > Okay now, compare those figures with the number of players playing
>  StarCraft
> > > / WarCraft on Blizzard servers. What do you see?
> > >
> > > An Ant hill vs the sky difference, innit? :P
> >
> > X million people playing BNet times no monthly payment = Zero income
> > (X/10) million people playing WoW times $10/month = X million dollars
>  income
> > a month.
>  
> > Get it yet? =)
> 
> Of course, that was the point of charging people. Blizzard is not a charity
> organization, you know ;-)
> 
> The main point here is that will you pay to play online even though you had
> bought the game.

Well, you should ask this question to the 400 thousand EQ subscribers
who have no only bought the original EQ, but have also paid for the 6
(or 7?) expansion packs that followed. Not to mention that the
subscription fee has been increased from US8 to US12 recently.
Blizzard is not publishing WoW for those who don't want to pay a
monthly fee. They are doing it for those who will and the market
proved that there ARE people who are willing to pay. If you don't want
to pay, don't play. The end of the story.

Can't believe that people are still arguing over this. Not as if
MMORPG was born yesterday.

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> > >
> > > "Steven Ung" <127.0.0.1@gtekmy.po.my> wrote in message
> > > news:biecom$8ffts$1@ID-121643.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > > "Gismo" <stivnisse@[XXXX]hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:3f4a6721$0$97192$edfadb0f@dread12.news.tele.dk...
> > > > >
> > > > > "Bizoune Bizoune"
<No__SPAM____tremorchrist@hotmail.com____No___SPAM>
> >  skrev
> > > > > i en meddelelse
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> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Gismo will pay
> > > > > > > (but it will be hard for him to find opponents)     :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Are you nutzz??  this game will be a success!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > Lots of ppl will pay .. just see how many there are paying for UO,
> >  Daoc,
> >  Ao
> > > > > and all the other mmorpg games
> > > >
> > > > Okay now, compare those figures with the number of players playing
> >  StarCraft
> > > > / WarCraft on Blizzard servers. What do you see?
> > > >
> > > > An Ant hill vs the sky difference, innit? :P
> > >
> > > X million people playing BNet times no monthly payment = Zero income
> > > (X/10) million people playing WoW times $10/month = X million dollars
> >  income
> > > a month.
> >
> > > Get it yet? =)
> >
> > Of course, that was the point of charging people. Blizzard is not a
charity
> > organization, you know ;-)
> >
> > The main point here is that will you pay to play online even though you
had
> > bought the game.
>
> Well, you should ask this question to the 400 thousand EQ subscribers
> who have no only bought the original EQ, but have also paid for the 6
> (or 7?) expansion packs that followed. Not to mention that the
> subscription fee has been increased from US8 to US12 recently.

400K isn't that much as compared to 8 million copies sold for StarCraft
(last I recall) :)

However, since it had so many releases, revenue wise, it may surpasses what
Starcraft had made. With that, the game may improve further with new
releases, patches etc.

> Blizzard is not publishing WoW for those who don't want to pay a
> monthly fee. They are doing it for those who will and the market
> proved that there ARE people who are willing to pay. If you don't want
> to pay, don't play. The end of the story.

True. Since I won't be paying, I won't be playing. :-)

> Can't believe that people are still arguing over this. Not as if
> MMORPG was born yesterday.

We're not arguing, just trying to know whether anyone would be willing to
pay.

>>From the facts gathered, there are mixed reactions. Some are willing to pay,
whilst some thinks that its a rip-off. Its just an opinion.
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> "Steven Ung" <127....@gtekmy.po.my> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:biguac$955ah$1@ID-121643.news.uni-berlin.de...
>
>
> > The main point here is that will you pay to play online even though you
> had
> > bought the game.
>
>
> You still forget you get something for your money you dont get with a
> normaly game !
> 10 $might seems as alot money if you havent played a game like that before
> ... !

If that is in USD, convert it to Ringgit Malaysia 38, but the answer is
still a big flat no :-)
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> The main point here is that will you pay to play online even though you
had
> bought the game.


You still forget you get something for your money you dont get with a
normaly game !
10 $might seems as alot money if you havent played a game like that before
... !

Gismo

"hayman" <holmankevin@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > Of course, that was the point of charging people. Blizzard is not a
> charity
> > > organization, you know ;-)
> > >
> > > The main point here is that will you pay to play online even though
you
> had
> > > bought the game.
> >
> > Well, you should ask this question to the 400 thousand EQ subscribers
> > who have no only bought the original EQ, but have also paid for the 6
> > (or 7?) expansion packs that followed. Not to mention that the
> > subscription fee has been increased from US8 to US12 recently.
> > Blizzard is not publishing WoW for those who don't want to pay a
> > monthly fee. They are doing it for those who will and the market
> > proved that there ARE people who are willing to pay. If you don't want
> > to pay, don't play. The end of the story.
> >
> > Can't believe that people are still arguing over this. Not as if
> > MMORPG was born yesterday.
>
> ppl need to complain about things, or complain about the complaining, its
> natural...
> like suggested in matrix ppl can't life in a perfect society, I think
thats
> more correct than we want it to be. satisfaction only last as long as we
> don't have other wishes.

Yeah, something like that. People are never contempted. That's why them
animals categorized us as "humans" :p

> back to the subject however, I will buy the game and play, and if it
doesn't
> match or surpass my expectations I will stop playing.
> the trailer looked good, so I hope the rest of the game is also.

I think its a matter of preference on what type of games one like to play.

Some like RPG/RTS etc, whilst some don't. I'm one of them that falls into
the "I don't like the MMORPG" category, I'd say.
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> > Of course, that was the point of charging people. Blizzard is not a
charity
> > organization, you know ;-)
> >
> > The main point here is that will you pay to play online even though you
had
> > bought the game.
>
> Well, you should ask this question to the 400 thousand EQ subscribers
> who have no only bought the original EQ, but have also paid for the 6
> (or 7?) expansion packs that followed. Not to mention that the
> subscription fee has been increased from US8 to US12 recently.
> Blizzard is not publishing WoW for those who don't want to pay a
> monthly fee. They are doing it for those who will and the market
> proved that there ARE people who are willing to pay. If you don't want
> to pay, don't play. The end of the story.
>
> Can't believe that people are still arguing over this. Not as if
> MMORPG was born yesterday.

ppl need to complain about things, or complain about the complaining, its
natural...
like suggested in matrix ppl can't life in a perfect society, I think thats
more correct than we want it to be. satisfaction only last as long as we
don't have other wishes.

back to the subject however, I will buy the game and play, and if it doesn't
match or surpass my expectations I will stop playing.
the trailer looked good, so I hope the rest of the game is also.

hayman.

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> news:3f4c6330$0$97234$edfadb0f@dread12.news.tele.dk...
> >
> > "Steven Ung" <127....@gtekmy.po.my> skrev i en meddelelse
> > news:biguac$955ah$1@ID-121643.news.uni-berlin.de...
> >
> >
> > > The main point here is that will you pay to play online even though
you
> > had
> > > bought the game.
> >
> >
> > You still forget you get something for your money you dont get with a
> > normaly game !
> > 10 $might seems as alot money if you havent played a game like that
before
> > ... !
>
> If that is in USD, convert it to Ringgit Malaysia 38, but the answer is
> still a big flat no :-)


its about 75 ddk

All i can say, i had a great time while i played UO - meet some cool ppl and
i still see lots of them in RL

Gismo

"Steven Ung" <127....@gtekmy.po.my> skrev i en meddelelse
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> > Well, you should ask this question to the 400 thousand EQ subscribers
> > who have no only bought the original EQ, but have also paid for the 6
> > (or 7?) expansion packs that followed. Not to mention that the
> > subscription fee has been increased from US8 to US12 recently.
>
> 400K isn't that much as compared to 8 million copies sold for StarCraft
> (last I recall) :)

How many games sell that good ?
FEW - if you look total 400k sold copies is quiet good

How much did warcraft 1 sold ?
c&c ?
fifa 2002 ?

none of those sold over 8 mills

> However, since it had so many releases, revenue wise, it may surpasses
what
> Starcraft had made. With that, the game may improve further with new
> releases, patches etc.

When i played UO they released patch 200 i mean !


>
> > Blizzard is not publishing WoW for those who don't want to pay a
> > monthly fee. They are doing it for those who will and the market
> > proved that there ARE people who are willing to pay. If you don't want
> > to pay, don't play. The end of the story.
>
> True. Since I won't be paying, I won't be playing. :-)

You dont know what you miss ... ;)

> > Can't believe that people are still arguing over this. Not as if
> > MMORPG was born yesterday.
>
> We're not arguing, just trying to know whether anyone would be willing to
> pay.

I will, and i know lots who will too ... eaven if they say now they wount ..
when they see the game they probaly start .. if they like that kind of game
!

Gismo

Steven Ung wrote:
> 
> Of course, that was the point of charging people. Blizzard is not a charity
> organization, you know ;-)
> 
> The main point here is that will you pay to play online even though you had
> bought the game.

I actually first played in a massively multiplayer game back in 1994. It
cost about $20 a year to participate, plus I had to buy the game. Of
course, it was not a computer game, but that's beside the point.

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> I actually first played in a massively multiplayer game back in 1994. It
> cost about $20 a year to participate, plus I had to buy the game. Of
> course, it was not a computer game, but that's beside the point.
>

I dont think I understand what you mean, could you elaborate plz?
multi player console game??

hayman

hayman wrote:
> 
> > I actually first played in a massively multiplayer game back in 1994. It
> > cost about $20 a year to participate, plus I had to buy the game. Of
> > course, it was not a computer game, but that's beside the point.
> >
> 
> I dont think I understand what you mean, could you elaborate plz?
> multi player console game??

No, it was live action. 

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"Julie d'Aubigny" <kalimagdalene@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> hayman wrote:
> >
> > > I actually first played in a massively multiplayer game back in 1994.
It
> > > cost about $20 a year to participate, plus I had to buy the game. Of
> > > course, it was not a computer game, but that's beside the point.
> > >
> >
> > I dont think I understand what you mean, could you elaborate plz?
> > multi player console game??
>
> No, it was live action.

I play a MMPORPG called Runescape.  They have a "Free server" and a "pay to
play" server. .. lets you get a feel for the game and decide if its worth
the 5 a month. . . which I DO pay


>
> -- 
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> Listowner: Aberrants_Worldwide, Fading_Suns_Games, TrinityRPG
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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Paradox wrote:

> wow, is canceling an account that hard?

If I want to keep playing with the same character, well, yeah, maybe
cancelling the account for a month or two and losing said character would
be rather hard to do.

> Maybe you should be studying instead of screwing off playing video games?


Maybe you should think before spewing nonsense back at me.  School hadn't
started when this post was written, and studying has absolutely nothing to
do with a college budget.  Thank you for your pointless and idiotic
comments, have a nice day.