🚀 go-pugleaf

Den 03-07-2015 kl. 14:59 skrev Catriona R:

>> Wee!  The blue drake dropped after 50ish attempts. :)
>>
>> Time-out!
>
> Congrats! That was fast, took me months but then I only ran one
> character a day :-)

I know the drill with just one char. :)  But running the same instance 
on 8 chars every day is just tedious...
I consider making the 5 or 6 JC mounts from MoP so I get the 200 mounts 
ach as I have 197 mounts on a single char.  But 160-200K gold is a bit 
expensive.  Especially because we dont have the discount perk anymore.
Anyhoo.  It seems like the JC mounts has gone up in price now.  On DMF 
they're AH'ed for 29-30K.

-- 
Peter T.

Den 05-07-2015 kl. 15:08 skrev Catriona R:
>
> On Sun, 05 Jul 2015 12:04:02 +0200, "Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum>
> wrote:
>
>> Finally Pathfinder.
>>
>> Flying skill should be accessible in PTR in 1-3 weeks.  So 1-1½ month
>>from now?
>
> Congrats! I'll have 2/3 factions done when I do today's dailies, then
> just need to grind the saberstalkers out; could group it but I think
> you get far lower claws droprate and I want those for buying rewards,
> hmm. I really can't solo more than single pulls though so I guess I'll
> have to find a group sometime soon...  should go fairly quickly I
> hope!

When 6.2 went live and I learned about the saberstalkers I decided to do 
the rep and claw farm on my warlock.  The void tank is amazing for the 
job.  And when I hit 660ish in ilvl I was able to solo the prime boss in 
the arena.
Honestly.  Warlocks are simply made for soloing big things.  Even the 4 
rares that drops the mounts.  Today I soloed the first 75-80% percent of 
Terrorfist before other players joined thanks to my void tank. :)

-- 
Peter T.

Den 05-07-2015 kl. 16:19 skrev Lewis:

>>> <http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/18194503905>
>
>> Finally Pathfinder.
>
> I don't understand the comment.

The pathfinder achievement is required for the flying skill in Draenor. 
  You can check your char's progression here:

<http://www.wowhead.com/flying>

>
>> Flying skill should be accessible in PTR in 1-3 weeks.  So 1-1½ month
>> from now?
>
> What's this?

The flying skill is not available at this moment.  But it should be 
accessible with the next minor patch (6.2.1 probably).

-- 
Peter T.

On 5/07/2015 10:59 PM, Catriona R wrote:
>
> On Sun, 05 Jul 2015 15:19:39 +0200, "Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum>
> wrote:
>
>> When 6.2 went live and I learned about the saberstalkers I decided to do
>> the rep and claw farm on my warlock.  The void tank is amazing for the
>> job.  And when I hit 660ish in ilvl I was able to solo the prime boss in
>> the arena.
>> Honestly.  Warlocks are simply made for soloing big things.  Even the 4
>> rares that drops the mounts.  Today I soloed the first 75-80% percent of
>> Terrorfist before other players joined thanks to my void tank. :)
>
> Heh nice one, my lock isn't 100 yet so that's out hehe, disc priest it
> is for me, not bad but slooowww on big stuff :-) Worth remembering
> that when I do lvl my warlock though, should be handy for big stuff!
>
> There's a fair few people overestimate their ability vs the named
> elites in that place lol, whenever I have the weekly quest I just hang
> around and wait for someone to summon them, mostly I then save them by
> healing them as they're getting owned lol ;-) I'm impressed if warlock
> can solo those, even death knights seem to have trouble!
>

They are obliterators  if a bit bursty.
Just keep soulshatter handy. Then at 100 turn on the chaos bolt gatling 
cannon..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Toxxm8kMUKM

not played since patch..so maybe nerfed

Den 05-07-2015 kl. 17:45 skrev | || ||| ||||| || |:

> They are obliterators  if a bit bursty.
> Just keep soulshatter handy. Then at 100 turn on the chaos bolt gatling
> cannon..

Soulshatter?  Nah.  The void is an aggro magnet.  So just keep the pet 
alive.  Flames of Xoroth on a button near you.  Especially 4x chaos 
bolts heals the pet massively through the damage spikes.  Its all about 
pet management. :)

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Toxxm8kMUKM
>
> not played since patch..so maybe nerfed

Hehe.  I play with original MoP talent settings here.  Havent bothered 
with talents since I raided in SoO.

-- 
Peter T.

Den 06-07-2015 kl. 06:53 skrev Lewis:

> I looked at that achievement.
>
> Obviously, they really do not want to allow anyone to fly. The
> requirements for it are... well, the phrase "user hostile" comes to
> mind.

I disagree.  The first parts are quite easy.  Casual players should have 
done those months ago.  Then there is some classic rep farming in 
Tanaan.  Two of the factions is done in 9-10 days if you do the dailies 
every day.  That is pretty fast imho.  The third faction - Saberstalkers 
- is pure rep killing with a single weekly quest.
Okay.  The saberstalkers mobs can be tough for some classes while other 
classes eat them for breakfast.  There are loads of saberstalker groups 
in the LFG finder window. :)

According to Blizzard flying is not just by setting a flag in the game. 
  Flying was never intended in this expansion.  So they're preparing the 
environment for the flying part as there are still a few subzones which 
shouldnt be accessible due to the lore and storyline + some other 
in-game obstacles which needs to be cleared.

-- 
Peter T.

On Mon, 6 Jul 2015 04:53:52 +0000 (UTC), Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>Obviously, they really do not want to allow anyone to fly. The
>requirements for it are... well, the phrase "user hostile" comes to
>mind.

Not really, the idea is clearly that they want people to actually
experience the content they've designed, and I think it works great
for that. I completed all the pre-6.2 requirements months ago, and I'm
2/3 of the way through the 6.2 reps now, it's not hard at all. 

Anyone who's actually played the game more than just sitting in
dungeon/raid queues for the last 6 months should be most of the way
there, and anyone who's really nowhere near it doesn't play in the
outside world enough to even need flying...

On Mon, 06 Jul 2015 12:01:14 +0200, "Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum>
wrote:

>I disagree.  The first parts are quite easy.  Casual players should have 
>done those months ago.  Then there is some classic rep farming in 
>Tanaan.  Two of the factions is done in 9-10 days if you do the dailies 
>every day.  That is pretty fast imho.  The third faction - Saberstalkers 
>- is pure rep killing with a single weekly quest.
>Okay.  The saberstalkers mobs can be tough for some classes while other 
>classes eat them for breakfast.  There are loads of saberstalker groups 
>in the LFG finder window. :)

Yep, Saberstalkers is the only one I've not yet done, even that has a
1.5k rep weekly you can do if you're allergic to grouping with randoms
(like me hehe), but even I'll probably get round to joining a group
for a bit of farming. And even I, in healer spec, can kill the
elites... just slowly, and only one at a time lol, if I get adds it
means breaking out every cd I have available ;-)

>According to Blizzard flying is not just by setting a flag in the game. 
>  Flying was never intended in this expansion.  So they're preparing the 
>environment for the flying part as there are still a few subzones which 
>shouldnt be accessible due to the lore and storyline + some other 
>in-game obstacles which needs to be cleared.

I believe they weren't sure if it was intended or not, so it's not
like the old world that was totally not designed for it with holes in
the world and the like, but they do need to sort a few details and
invisible walls out, yep.Frankly I was happy with no flying, got used
to it easily enough, but if it's going to be allowed I like the way
they've chosen to do it, feels kinda like the old-style attunement
quests, only soloable this time, it's fun :-)

On Mon, 6 Jul 2015 18:45:31 +0000 (UTC), Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>In message <mndjl9$r5k$1...@speranza.aioe.org> 
>  Peter T. <pinoc10@hotmail.cum> wrote:
>> Den 06-07-2015 kl. 06:53 skrev Lewis:
>
>>> I looked at that achievement.
>>>
>>> Obviously, they really do not want to allow anyone to fly. The
>>> requirements for it are... well, the phrase "user hostile" comes to
>>> mind.
>
>> I disagree.  The first parts are quite easy.  Casual players should have 
>> done those months ago.  Then there is some classic rep farming in 
>> Tanaan.  Two of the factions is done in 9-10 days if you do the dailies 
>> every day.  That is pretty fast imho.  The third faction - Saberstalkers 
>> - is pure rep killing with a single weekly quest.
>
>How many treasures do you need to find? How many of these involve
>annoyingly idiotic jumping and timing and tightrope walking and other
>bullshit designed to try to make the game a twitch game?

You need to find 100, there are well oer 200 available (I got the 200
achievement with plenty left), and I'm fairly sure it's only about 10%
of those 200+ that are annoying, not 50% ;-)

>Climb up here, and run here on a fast mount and jump precisely here to
>land on that pixel over there and then run across that rope and drop
>down onto that moving platform while waving your left pinky and then
>you'll get a treasure.
>
>OK, I exaggerate, but not as much as you might think. I remember how damn
>annoying the chests on timeless isle were, and many in WoD are much
>worse.

I'm with you there; did them all on my main, not bothering with a lot
on alts till flying is in lol, I suck at precision jumping. Doing them
once was fun though, especially as only a few are that bad, felt like
an achievement to actually get them in the end!

Den 06-07-2015 kl. 15:15 skrev Catriona R:

> Yep, Saberstalkers is the only one I've not yet done, even that has a
> 1.5k rep weekly

3.5K with tradepost rep bonus only.  But if you set up your banner 
before you hand in the weekly you get 4.2K.  I dont know why, but it 
worked for me last wednesday.  The banner trick doesnt work in Lion's 
Watch/Wol'mar.

-- 
Peter T.

On Mon, 6 Jul 2015 18:54:07 +0000 (UTC), Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>In message <cvvd43...@mid.individual.net> 
>  Catriona R <catrion...@totalise.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 6 Jul 2015 04:53:52 +0000 (UTC), Lewis
>> <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>
>>>Obviously, they really do not want to allow anyone to fly. The
>>>requirements for it are... well, the phrase "user hostile" comes to
>>>mind.
>
>> Not really, the idea is clearly that they want people to actually
>> experience the content they've designed,
>
>They want to FORCE players to play a specific way. It is not a way I am
>at all interested in playing.

Well then don't :-) Nobody's forcing you, it's entirely your choice;
either do the requirements, or don't fly, simple enough. Doesn't sound
like you do anything at all where having flying would benefit you, so
what's it matter?

>And yet, up until WoD, I had played for a decade and enjoyed playing
>*my* way. So Blizzard telling me "Hey, you know all those mounts you
>worked to get? If you ever want to use most of them, you have to go play
>like WE WANT, screw how you've played for the last decade."

They still work just fine on the ground, so what's it matter? Uou
apparently don't do any content in the outside world where you'd be
flying anyway...

>> and I think it works great
>> for that. I completed all the pre-6.2 requirements months ago, and I'm
>> 2/3 of the way through the 6.2 reps now, it's not hard at all. 
>
>The treasures are certainly going to be hard because I don't want to do
>them. Wandering around Frost Fire ridge for *no reason* is going to be
>damn annoying, and is pointless.

Your choice, I find getting a whole load of gold, resources, DE'able
items and the like for doing a little exploring to be "fun". If it's
not fun to you, don't do it, nobpdy's holding a gun to your head.

>> should be most of the way
>> there, and anyone who's really nowhere near it doesn't play in the
>> outside world enough to even need flying...
>
>Need? Need has nothing to do with it. No one NEEDS flying. 

That, I agree with, wish they hadn't added it back since all it
acheived is even MORE tantrums... *sigh*.

On Mon, 6 Jul 2015 19:49:30 +0000 (UTC), Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>But the point is that Blizzard has decided that in order to use most of
>my mounts (most of mine are flying mounts) I have to play an *entirely*
>different game than the game I used to play.

Yeah, I wish they'd stuck with their first option of not re-adding it
at all, would be far less hassle, than having to listen to even more
moaning about it...

Den 06-07-2015 kl. 22:10 skrev Lewis:

>>> They want to FORCE players to play a specific way. It is not a way I am
>>> at all interested in playing.
>
>> Well then don't :-) Nobody's forcing you, it's entirely your choice;
>
> Yes, play like Blizzard has decided I must play or don't use the mounts
> I've earned and paid for.

Blizzard sets the rules.  If we dont like them we quit.

> No, many of them do not work at all on the ground because they are too
> big. You get stuck on a fence you can't even see, or something equally
> stupid.

Hehe.  There are LOTS of obstacles when riding around.  Pretty annoying.

> The last time I logged in (about 5 weeks ago) the server was a
> wasteland.

Maybe due to multiple phases?  I dont know what Blizzard are doing or 
thinking atm.  But there are several stances of the _same_ phases going 
on on the realms atm.  And this causes some big annoyances for many players.
I can see a rare on the minimap.  When I walk closer it disappears. 
When I walk away it reappears.  If I join a raid I sometimes cant loot 
as CRZ and phases somehow clashes together and fucks up things.

Blizzard are talking about releasing new expansions more frequently. 
Maybe like a new xpac every year.  So we probably get a new expansion 
around Blizzcon in november this year.  What we can and will expect is 
expansions with even more bugs than we see now...

-- 
Peter T.

On Mon, 6 Jul 2015 20:10:05 +0000 (UTC), Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>In message <d004ps...@mid.individual.net> 
>  Catriona R <catrion...@totalise.co.uk> wrote:
>> Well then don't :-) Nobody's forcing you, it's entirely your choice;
>
>Yes, play like Blizzard has decided I must play or don't use the mounts
>I've earned and paid for.

Well that surely beats not having the option at all, right? I'd have
thought the choice being added was a good thing for you, compared with
it being fixed as not available at all...

>1) I like flying. I often do it just because I like doing it. I will fly
>instead of taking a flight-path quite often.
>
>2) I spent a lot of time (and some money) getting those mounts and I
>want to use them.
>
>3) Walking around on a dragon is stupid.
>
>4) Having my dragon dive into the water is stupid. Having my hoverboard
>dive into the water is even stupider.

Haha true :-) I don't like how they look on the ground myself, I just
don't really care, since there's more content in Pandaria and
Northrend than in Draenor anyway, I go to those continents to fly and
use my nice, otherwise unused, ground mounts in Draenor - it's
actually been nice seeing ground mounts again recently after years of
never going near them; there's some really nice ones out there!

>They should never have taken it away in the first place. Their many
>stupid decisions for WoD is why the game is failing and hemorrhaging
>subscribers. They got a little bump with the expansion, but have now
>dropped even lower than before.

They've made a lot of stupid decisions, yes, WoD sucks in comparison
to past expansions. But I don't think flying was one of them; it
really is so unimportant that I don't even see why so many people (on
both sides) throw massive tantrums over it, really, there's far more
important things they've ruined yet all the focus is on stupid flying.

>They had 10 million subscribers at the end of last year. It will be a
>fucking miracle if they have more than 50% of that at the end of this
>year.
>
>Their second quarter earnings report should be next month, and I bet
>that it will be in the 5 million range, if not lower.

Nah, it'll be sitting at around 6.5-7k, same as usual; that's the core
subscriber base who never unsub, didn't quit even after 14 months of
SoO, etc. Especially with Tanaan patch releasing before the end of the
quarter, a few have returned for it, my server's increased in
population the last few weeks, nothing like it was at WoD launch but
that's a good thing, we were stupidly overpopulated then.

I'm totally not impressed with this expansion, but yeah, flying is
such a pointless thing to get hung up on, when the things that
actually are killing the game get overlooked. Things like... no
content outside of raids/pvp for the first 6 months of release. So
much stuff in the garrison that you never had a reason to leave it.
LFR getting nerfed into pointlessness. professions being completely
gutted. Etc etc... being in the air would hardly make up for the
extreme lack of anything to actually do at launch!

Tanaan has helped on the content front, in all fairness, but it needed
to be in 6 months ago. As it is, with this being supposedly the last
major patch, it's a complete failure of an expansion as far as I'm
concerned, and I'm normally a big fan of this game. And if this really
is the last major patch, yet whatever's next isn't even announced, is
it going to be another 14+ months of THIS?? Even the core subscribers
won't hang around if that's the case...

Den 06-07-2015 kl. 23:01 skrev Catriona R:

> Tanaan has helped on the content front, in all fairness, but it needed
> to be in 6 months ago. As it is, with this being supposedly the last
> major patch, it's a complete failure of an expansion as far as I'm
> concerned, and I'm normally a big fan of this game. And if this really
> is the last major patch, yet whatever's next isn't even announced, is
> it going to be another 14+ months of THIS?? Even the core subscribers
> won't hang around if that's the case...

It feels like Blizzard is trying to make a template for the upcoming 
expansions.  The Timeless Isle idea is fine at the end of a expansion so 
seasonal and casual players tastes the feeling of wearing superior 
raid'ish gear (timeless and baleful gear).
In my eyes WoD is an experiment.  I have seen some good things and some 
bad things in the xpac.  But Blizzard needs to think outside the box as 
the main concept has become more mainstream and slick than ever before.

-- 
Peter T.

On Mon, 06 Jul 2015 23:20:51 +0200, "Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum>
wrote:

>Den 06-07-2015 kl. 23:01 skrev Catriona R:
>
>> Tanaan has helped on the content front, in all fairness, but it needed
>> to be in 6 months ago. As it is, with this being supposedly the last
>> major patch, it's a complete failure of an expansion as far as I'm
>> concerned, and I'm normally a big fan of this game. And if this really
>> is the last major patch, yet whatever's next isn't even announced, is
>> it going to be another 14+ months of THIS?? Even the core subscribers
>> won't hang around if that's the case...
>
>It feels like Blizzard is trying to make a template for the upcoming 
>expansions.  The Timeless Isle idea is fine at the end of a expansion so 
>seasonal and casual players tastes the feeling of wearing superior 
>raid'ish gear (timeless and baleful gear).
>In my eyes WoD is an experiment.  I have seen some good things and some 
>bad things in the xpac.  But Blizzard needs to think outside the box as 
>the main concept has become more mainstream and slick than ever before.

It does indeed feel experimental, I'm not convinced it's worked. I
agree there are indeed some good things (I actually really like quest
rewards auto upgrading, ability to reroll stats on crafted gear,
treasure all over the place, and the questing experience from 90-100,
for a start), but the overall experience is a big disappointment for
my playstyle, at least. Perhaps it works better for the more
raid/focussed types, but I'm a mainly solo player, who likes story,
questlines, and generally not feeling like my content is an
afterthought shoved in at the last minute with no actual effort given
to making it entertaining... 

It'll be interesting to see where it goes next, if they're actually
making expansions shorter (rather than just emptier for the same
amount of time), perhaps it may work, but this one's been far too
empty, the next one needs more content. I really can't see it coming
that soon though, there's not even been hints of leaks yet, if it was
to launch around Blizzcon time it should be entering alpha by now
(probably beta), yet not even a hint - they won't announce it till
Blizzcon I reckon, so at best we might get it summer 2016 instead of
winter... so, a year of Tanaan jungle then. Hope I'm wrong. 

Also hope they look at the pricing; I paid more for WoD (not sure if
every country got the increased prices?) than any previous expansion,
us in the UK also got a sub price increase on top of that, yet we got
far less content - paying more, more often, and getting less, isn't
going to make customers happy - I've already decided to only upgrade
one of my two accounts to the next expansion, will only follow with
the 2nd account if it seems worth the money this time; if it's another
WoD I'll just transfer my shaman to my main account and close the 2nd
one/maintain it via gold if token prices come down a bit. Not worth
spending RL money on 2 accounts as things stand, and this is coming
from someone who's had 2 accounts continuously subbed for 8 years (10+
years on my main account) and previously bought everything without
question through *knowing* I'd like it just because it was Blizzard...
that trust is now gone :-(

On 7/07/2015 6:31 AM, Catriona R wrote:
>

>> Their second quarter earnings report should be next month, and I bet
>> that it will be in the 5 million range, if not lower.
>
> Nah, it'll be sitting at around 6.5-7k, same as usual; that's the core
> subscriber base who never unsub, didn't quit even after 14 months of
> SoO, etc. Especially with Tanaan patch releasing before the end of the
> quarter, a few have returned for it, my server's increased in
> population the last few weeks, nothing like it was at WoD launch but
> that's a good thing, we were stupidly overpopulated then.

It need not matter anyway.  I am not playing but have gold-bought tokens 
sufficient to play well into next year.
Somebody paid $ for them.

=IF= the core are happy to pay more $ NOT to play grinding then the sub 
numbers don't matter as much to the all important bottom line.
  As F2P knows people will often pay a lot more $ if they feel it is 
their choice to spend and get something NOW.
  We token buyers are just F2P background noise AI mobs for the paying 
clients :-)

On Mon, 6 Jul 2015 18:54:07 +0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote:
>  Catriona R <catrion...@totalise.co.uk> wrote:
> > On Mon, 6 Jul 2015 04:53:52 +0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote:
> 
> >>Obviously, they really do not want to allow anyone to fly. The
> >>requirements for it are... well, the phrase "user hostile" comes to
> >>mind.
> 
> > Not really, the idea is clearly that they want people to actually
> > experience the content they've designed,
> 
>  They want to FORCE players to play a specific way. It is not a way I am
>  at all interested in playing. No, I do not want to wander around
>  looking for chests. No, i do not care about exploring every corner of
>  the map after hitting level 100. No, I don not give a damn about
>  building faction rep with factions that are entirely meaningless to me.
> 
>  I also don't care about lore, and never have.

I think that is what it comes down to in the end.

There have always been two types of players. On the one hand those who
really like the immersion, enjoy the lore and see it as a story of which
they are part. On the other hand there are the people who don't care much
about the lore/immersion part but just enjoy the challenges of the multi
player game and the various things you can do in the world regardless of how
it inegrates into the story line.

It seems that Blizzard is taking the stance of "we spent so much time
creating all this content, we want our players to experience it fully" and
feel that players would miss out on a lot if the had flying from the start.

To the first group of players (Catriona and I certainly belong to that) this
decision makes sense and fulfilling the requirements for flying are probably
something we would have completed as part of our normal play anyway.

To the second group (Lewis belongs to it), this decision must appear as
Lewis describes it: An unfriendly attempt to force them into playing the
game in a way they don't enjoy.

While to me, this isn't the case, I can fully understand how annoying this
must be.

Ever since flying had been introduced, there had been complaints about it
being gated and those complaints became even louder with WotLK where
something we had grown used to was taken away.

Personally, I thought the requirement to get to max level and paying a hefty
fee (like in BC and WotLK) was ok. I also think it is enough to "force" the
first character to walk to max level and let alts fly from the start would
be the sensible compromise. This would allow the second group to reach max
level any way they like (e.g. by running dungeons exclusively) and then get
access to flying. And the first group - levelling by questing - would get it
the same way, by playing the game the way they play it.

Forcing people to play the game in "group 1" mode is certainly unfriendly to
group 2.

As to the dropping subscriptions, I think it might also be the case that the
novelty of WoW has just run its course. I played the game for over five
years and still enjoyed it (mostly by satisfying my completionist streak)
but in the end, it was just "more of the same" and I imagine at one point
this gets boring for everyone. Adding a new expansion to a game that should
integrate with it enough to be the same game but be new enough to attract
people for a prolonged time is no mean feat and I am impressed that Blizzard
has pulled it off so many times, I guess failing with WoD is just something
that had to happen...

Cheers
Urbin
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On 7 Jul 2015 06:34:40 GMT, Urbin <urbin@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>There have always been two types of players. 

<snip a whole lot of good stuff>

This is one of those times when I wish Usenet had a Facebook-esque
"like" feature, as that's what your post deserves ;-) Thanks, that
explained the two sides well, as I was really only understanding my
own viewpoint, and couldn't really understand Lewis's side well; your
explanation was clear enough for me to "get" it a bit better! 

>As to the dropping subscriptions, I think it might also be the case that the
>novelty of WoW has just run its course. I played the game for over five
>years and still enjoyed it (mostly by satisfying my completionist streak)
>but in the end, it was just "more of the same" and I imagine at one point
>this gets boring for everyone. Adding a new expansion to a game that should
>integrate with it enough to be the same game but be new enough to attract
>people for a prolonged time is no mean feat and I am impressed that Blizzard
>has pulled it off so many times, I guess failing with WoD is just something
>that had to happen...

>From my viewpoint it feels as though the problem with WoD is that it's
*not* "more of the same", actually - they removed/gutted most of what
I enjoyed in the past, and what little remains wasn't substantial
enough to satisfy my playstyle. If we'd had more Isle of
Thunder/Molten Front/Pandaria 5.1 storylines type content, my interest
would've held up a lot better than it has done.

Now the "more of the same" argument would I imagine be more applicable
to pvp and raiding, as I don't think there's much new in either of
them, but not a lot got removed either (unless LFR was your raiding of
choice, as it was mine...), but my playstyle would've very much liked
more of the same! ;-)

In <slrnmpmso0...@stinky-local.trash.net> Urbin <urbin@invalid.invalid> writes:

> There have always been two types of players. On the one hand those who

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartle_Test

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On Tue, 7 Jul 2015 18:18:29 +0000 (UTC), Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>> From my viewpoint it feels as though the problem with WoD is that it's
>> *not* "more of the same", actually - they removed/gutted most of what
>> I enjoyed in the past, and what little remains wasn't substantial
>> enough to satisfy my playstyle.
>
>You want to know the real problem with MoD?
>
>I agree with everything you said there. So they missed wildly on both of
>their player types. For me, WoD was dull *and* annoying.

Yeah, you and I have almost zero in common in how we play the game so
who knows who they were trying to aim it at, if it's failed this badly
for us both :-)

>> If we'd had more Isle of
>> Thunder/Molten Front/Pandaria 5.1 storylines type content, my interest
>> would've held up a lot better than it has done.
>
>TBC was clearly the best expansion, and WoD is clearly the worst since
>they gutted the game.

Hehe now that's where we differ; MoP was by far the best for my
playstyle. That's not to say I don't have the most nostalgia for TBC;
I do, but it didn't have close to as much compelling content for my
preferred playstyle - at that time I did group more and so loved it,
but going back to it now, as a far more solo-orientated person than I
was then, I'd be rather bored. It'd still beat WoD though...

>> but not a lot got removed either (unless LFR was your raiding of
>> choice, as it was mine...), but my playstyle would've very much liked
>> more of the same! ;-)
>
>The removal of LFR was certainly a huge detriment to me. Blizzard keeps
>making abig deal out of things and then crippling them or removing them.

Yep. I could understand (though disagree with) some nerfing to LFR, in
at least giving less powerful sets to stop the raiders moaning that
they "had" to do it to get their set bonuses. No excuse for making it
so easy you can ignore all mechanics though, nor for making the gear
look worse than quest greens - I'd have thought that having *nice* yet
different looks would be a positive, as transmog fans might run LFR
for fun then! As it stands, I've not killed Blackhand yet, nor found
any enthusiasm for Hellfire Citadel, I suppose I should do it but it
feels so pointless; the 4 difficulties means the gear's really crap
too, I've got equal or better in half my slots already...

>LFR: gone
>Being able to improve toon through PVP and Raid: gone
>Any level of difficulty: gone
>Guild perks and leveling: gone
>Garrisons: not gone yet, but already announced as a dead end
>Leveling toons: pretty much dead and gone

Yep. Also scenarios: gone, professions: gutted, ongoing storyline at
endgame: nonexistent...

>As for difficulty, Blizzard seems to be very confused and considers that
>making something tedious and repetitive is "difficult" whereas I
>consider "difficult" to be something that requires mental effort.

Yeah, I look for my own challenges now; duoing lvl 100 dungeons is
kinda fun ;-) Ironman levelling is fun as well, just a shame there's
not so much challenge in the main game!

>For example, collecting dinosaur bones on the island north of Panderia
>is by no means difficult. it is a mindless bot-able task that you have
>to grind tghrough, mindlessly, for 10,000 bones if you want the mount.
>
>There is no challenge involved in doing the same thing over and over
>again, but Blizzard thinks that repition is the same as challenging.

Well in fairness, that's not new, thing is we had for a while moved
away from endless grinding for reputation and the like. I know not all
(including you, I think :-)) were fans of dailies for reputation, but
I for one liked them infinitely better than grinding mobs at 5 rep per
kill, which is what we got for the 6.0 factions... felt like we'd gone
back in time 10 years, and not in a good way.

On Tue, 7 Jul 2015 14:03:38 +0000 (UTC), John Gordon wrote:
>  In <slrnmpmso0...@stinky-local.trash.net> Urbin <urbin@invalid.invalid> writes:
> 
> > There have always been two types of players. On the one hand those who
> 
>  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartle_Test

Thanks, never heard of it but it sums things up pretty well.

Cheers
Urbin

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Den 06-07-2015 kl. 21:27 skrev Peter T.:
> Den 06-07-2015 kl. 15:15 skrev Catriona R:
>
>> Yep, Saberstalkers is the only one I've not yet done, even that has a
>> 1.5k rep weekly
>
> 3.5K with tradepost rep bonus only.  But if you set up your banner
> before you hand in the weekly you get 4.2K.  I dont know why, but it
> worked for me last wednesday.  The banner trick doesnt work in Lion's
> Watch/Wol'mar.

Oh well.  Seems Blizzard has buffed the weekly rep from 3500 to 4200. 
So its unaffacted by the rep banner.

-- 
Peter T.

On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 13:02:47 +0200, "Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum>
wrote:

>Den 06-07-2015 kl. 21:27 skrev Peter T.:
>> Den 06-07-2015 kl. 15:15 skrev Catriona R:
>>
>>> Yep, Saberstalkers is the only one I've not yet done, even that has a
>>> 1.5k rep weekly
>>
>> 3.5K with tradepost rep bonus only.  But if you set up your banner
>> before you hand in the weekly you get 4.2K.  I dont know why, but it
>> worked for me last wednesday.  The banner trick doesnt work in Lion's
>> Watch/Wol'mar.
>
>Oh well.  Seems Blizzard has buffed the weekly rep from 3500 to 4200. 
>So its unaffacted by the rep banner.

700 on top of 3500, that's 20% - sounds like the trading post 20% buff
wasn't working and they fixed it :-) Just got that myself, nice bonus!
Even if I don't bother farming saberon I'll be revered and ready for
flying in 2 weeks then, and I do kill the odd one as I pass by
anyway...

Den 09-07-2015 kl. 03:18 skrev Lewis:
> In message <slrnmpppiv...@stinky-local.trash.net>
>    Urbin <urbin@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On Tue, 7 Jul 2015 14:03:38 +0000 (UTC), John Gordon wrote:
>>>   In <slrnmpmso0...@stinky-local.trash.net> Urbin <urbin@invalid.invalid> writes:
>>>
>>>> There have always been two types of players. On the one hand those who
>>>
>>>   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartle_Test
>
>> Thanks, never heard of it but it sums things up pretty well.
>
> I wish there was an online test for that.
>

Gamerdna.com is down atm.  But the site has an online test.

<www.gamerdna.com/quizzes/bartle-test-of-gamer-psychology>

-- 
Peter T.

On Sun, 05 Jul 2015 12:04:02 +0200, "Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum>
wrote:

>Den 24-06-2015 kl. 06:52 skrev Peter T.:
>> <http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/18194503905>
>
>Finally Pathfinder.
>
>Flying skill should be accessible in PTR in 1-3 weeks.  So 1-1½ month 
>from now?

Just finished mine, got lucky with a couple spawns of the daily that
gives Saberstalkers rep last week, so great. Current rate of progress
via weekly suggests I'll hit exalted a long time before I have enough
claws to buy anything I want lol... oh well, I can go back and farm
those next expansion like I've been doing with the dino isle bones
from MoP this expansion ;-)