🚀 go-pugleaf

Oh and I forgot... arrive at Headless Horseman fight, no pumpkin there
to summon him, just a dungeon full of lvl 30 mobs. Had that one twice,
amusingly the 2nd time we cleared the dungeon to requeue and got our
Loot-Filled Pumpkins from Whitemane :-P Pretty sure that is NOT
intended but I didn't complain!

Den 23-10-2014 00:42, Catriona R skrev:
>
> Oh and I forgot... arrive at Headless Horseman fight, no pumpkin there
> to summon him, just a dungeon full of lvl 30 mobs. Had that one twice,
> amusingly the 2nd time we cleared the dungeon to requeue and got our
> Loot-Filled Pumpkins from Whitemane :-P Pretty sure that is NOT
> intended but I didn't complain!

Same here. :)

But overall I havent experienced the bugs you mentioned earlier. 
Actually I havent experienced any bugs at all.  A few annoyances, yes. 
Bugs, no. ^^

-- 
Peter T.

<https://www.elitedangerous.com/>

On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 01:04:32 +0200, "Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum>
wrote:

>Den 23-10-2014 00:42, Catriona R skrev:
>>
>> Oh and I forgot... arrive at Headless Horseman fight, no pumpkin there
>> to summon him, just a dungeon full of lvl 30 mobs. Had that one twice,
>> amusingly the 2nd time we cleared the dungeon to requeue and got our
>> Loot-Filled Pumpkins from Whitemane :-P Pretty sure that is NOT
>> intended but I didn't complain!
>
>Same here. :)
>
>But overall I havent experienced the bugs you mentioned earlier. 
>Actually I havent experienced any bugs at all.  A few annoyances, yes. 
>Bugs, no. ^^

You're lucky :-) Usually it's me wondering what everyone's complaining
about, I seem to have hit all the worst ones this time out lol.
Considering Draenor isn't even queued (rather unusual this close to
the expansion, we're normally in 1k queue territory by now), so
rpesumably not under maximum load, it seems to be falling over
repeatedly, in many different ways...

On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 00:18:09 +0100, Catriona R
<catrion...@totalise.co.uk> wrote:

>
>On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 01:04:32 +0200, "Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum>
>wrote:
>
>>Den 23-10-2014 00:42, Catriona R skrev:
>>>
>>> Oh and I forgot... arrive at Headless Horseman fight, no pumpkin there
>>> to summon him, just a dungeon full of lvl 30 mobs. Had that one twice,
>>> amusingly the 2nd time we cleared the dungeon to requeue and got our
>>> Loot-Filled Pumpkins from Whitemane :-P Pretty sure that is NOT
>>> intended but I didn't complain!
>>
>>Same here. :)
>>
>>But overall I havent experienced the bugs you mentioned earlier. 
>>Actually I havent experienced any bugs at all.  A few annoyances, yes. 
>>Bugs, no. ^^
>
>You're lucky :-) Usually it's me wondering what everyone's complaining
>about, I seem to have hit all the worst ones this time out lol.
>Considering Draenor isn't even queued (rather unusual this close to
>the expansion, we're normally in 1k queue territory by now), so
>rpesumably not under maximum load, it seems to be falling over
>repeatedly, in many different ways...


I had one crash last night which blew me past desktop.I'm in the
middle of the pacific so some of the other 'incidents' you mentioned
tend to be common place from time to time and as such I didn't notice
them. -  redvet

On 23/10/2014 9:04 AM, Catriona R wrote:
>
> At least it feels like the buggiest, I tend to not be too affected by
> most bugs with major patches but this one's hitting me constantly!
> Over the last week I've experienced:
>
> - Pandaria crashing every few minutes and rolling you back a few mins,
> at times it's a race to get from your hearth point to a portal before
> you get booted again (one bonus is instarespawns on Timeless isle
> rares, not that they ever dropped anything for me). This has happened
> almost every day at various times.

yep

> - On zoning, getting stuck at 100%, dc'd, and then "Character not
> found on EVERY character across my two accounts for 20 mins to an hour
> afterwards (also occasionally happens without the dc on zoning, just
> try to login normally and "Character not found"). Even more annoying
> is that it doesn't happen to my bf, several times he's been able to
> play fine while I'm locked out, grrr (tried logging him in on my pc at
> one point, his account works even then, so it's on the account end, I
> guess).

   Something like that

> - Instance server going down a couple of times while trying to do old
> raids.
   not done
> - Tonight, the dungeon queue keeps bugging out, get to the end of the
> expected wait and it stick you on pause for no obvious reason, can't
> unpase it without cancelling and starting over. An annoyance on my
> healer with 2 mins queue time, downright infuriating on my dps with a
> 13 minute queue... interestingly I've found it actually can unpause
> itself if you wait long enough, however I was tabbed out when it did
> that, ffs. Only wasted an hour trying to run a 1 minute dungeon so
> far....

  often
>
> Unusually I get irritated when people moan about bugs after a major
> patch, but this one really is close to unplayable at times, every
> single day I've hit problems. Some might be specific to Europe, some
> may even be restricted to my own server (the pandaria crashing thing
> seems a mainly Draenor issue I think), but all are irritating. Kinda
> wish they'd just take the servers down  and fix whatever's wrong, it'd
> be less annoying than playing guessing games, hoping it's working...
Losing tooltips , losing maps, dislike the interface, just could not get 
anything right.
There just doesn't seem to be effective scalability for anybody without 
20/20 vision and a 60 inch monitor. That is purely personal, but it 
doesn't work for me.
Many bad ah and mail bugs, locks, delays, sorting, lost items - blizzard 
mailing you lost items without even raising a ticket is a worry.
Open bank and guild bank and finding every tab empty is a bit of a gulp 
moment.
They were back after relog.
I have tried with addons off, it doesn't seem to make much difference,

It is possible the bare tabs was an addon, but then I would expect it to 
keep happening.



Those and others is why I haven't resubscribed, which isn't a big step 
since I am not subscribed far more than I am subscribed. More like 'do I 
feel lucky?'
I paid for Wod but am really not looking forward to the start since it 
is quite likely to be a frustrating time.

There is a fair chance I will try it again in a couple of weeks for the 
live events , it could be good if it works.
Maybe things will clear up, they did allow a month to sort things out, 
but then there will likely be new problems.
Not really bubbling with anticipation.

On 23/10/2014 9:48 AM, Catriona R wrote:
>
> On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 01:04:32 +0200, "Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum>

>> But overall I havent experienced the bugs you mentioned earlier.
>> Actually I havent experienced any bugs at all.  A few annoyances, yes.
>> Bugs, no. ^^
>
> You're lucky :-) Usually it's me wondering what everyone's complaining
> about, I seem to have hit all the worst ones this time out lol.
> Considering Draenor isn't even queued (rather unusual this close to
> the expansion, we're normally in 1k queue territory by now), so
> rpesumably not under maximum load, it seems to be falling over
> repeatedly, in many different ways...

When I am playing I do tend to to do 3 or 4 session of 3 or 4 hourd 
flitting around cramming most aspects in on many characters, catching 
up, filling characters out.
If people keep doing much the same as usual they probably run into fewer 
bugs or just anticipate and ignore.
e.g. perhaps some bugs are time related, play long sessions and you will 
find more of them. If that was the case it could be game related, 
frequent reset triggered,  packet loss due to local congestion times.
Or it could just be voodoo.

On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 13:00:25 +1030, | || ||| ||||| || |
<|||||||||||||||||||||> wrote:

>On 23/10/2014 9:48 AM, Catriona R wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 01:04:32 +0200, "Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum>
>
>>> But overall I havent experienced the bugs you mentioned earlier.
>>> Actually I havent experienced any bugs at all.  A few annoyances, yes.
>>> Bugs, no. ^^
>>
>> You're lucky :-) Usually it's me wondering what everyone's complaining
>> about, I seem to have hit all the worst ones this time out lol.
>> Considering Draenor isn't even queued (rather unusual this close to
>> the expansion, we're normally in 1k queue territory by now), so
>> rpesumably not under maximum load, it seems to be falling over
>> repeatedly, in many different ways...
>
>When I am playing I do tend to to do 3 or 4 session of 3 or 4 hourd 
>flitting around cramming most aspects in on many characters, catching 
>up, filling characters out.
>If people keep doing much the same as usual they probably run into fewer 
>bugs or just anticipate and ignore.
>e.g. perhaps some bugs are time related, play long sessions and you will 
>find more of them. If that was the case it could be game related, 
>frequent reset triggered,  packet loss due to local congestion times.
>Or it could just be voodoo.

Most the bugs I've met are server crash related lol, and doing normal
stuff youc ertainly encounter them; I've actually been changing my
habits in order to *avoid* them, as they're mainly on pandaria...
doing stuff on other continents gets me out of that crash zone at
least :-)

On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 12:44:06 +1030, | || ||| ||||| || |
<|||||||||||||||||||||> wrote:

>Losing tooltips , losing maps, dislike the interface, just could not get 
>anything right.

Some of the interface changes can be fixed with addons, I got Classic
Quest Log to bring back the oldstyle questlog, really can't get along
with the new one (and I did use it all the time I've been on beta,
trying to give it a fair chance - I still hate it).

>There just doesn't seem to be effective scalability for anybody without 
>20/20 vision and a 60 inch monitor. That is purely personal, but it 
>doesn't work for me.

Seems exactly the same as before to me, I guess you must've had it
setup differently then!

>Many bad ah and mail bugs, locks, delays, sorting, lost items - blizzard 
>mailing you lost items without even raising a ticket is a worry.

No, that's a good sign - means their automated system actually
recognised that something didn't reach you, much better than having to
argue with a GM over whether the item ever even existed :-)

>Open bank and guild bank and finding every tab empty is a bit of a gulp 
>moment.
>They were back after relog.
>I have tried with addons off, it doesn't seem to make much difference,
>
>It is possible the bare tabs was an addon, but then I would expect it to 
>keep happening.

Eek, that's a bit weird! I first logged on with zero addons and only
enabled updated ones, haven't hit any remotely similar problems,
luckily.

>Those and others is why I haven't resubscribed, which isn't a big step 
>since I am not subscribed far more than I am subscribed. More like 'do I 
>feel lucky?'
>I paid for Wod but am really not looking forward to the start since it 
>is quite likely to be a frustrating time.

It'll be stressful on my server for sure, high pop all trying to do
the same stuff at once (90% Horde so we'll almost all be in the same
zone), sigh. 

>There is a fair chance I will try it again in a couple of weeks for the 
>live events , it could be good if it works.
>Maybe things will clear up, they did allow a month to sort things out, 
>but then there will likely be new problems.
>Not really bubbling with anticipation.

Usually it's fairly ok by launch time, hopefully will be this time
anyway. 

On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 06:19:14 +0000 (UTC), Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>Okay, so one time? In band camp? Catriona R <catrion...@totalise.co.uk> was all, like:
>> - Pandaria crashing every few minutes and rolling you back a few mins,
>> at times it's a race to get from your hearth point to a portal before
>> you get booted again (one bonus is instarespawns on Timeless isle
>> rares, not that they ever dropped anything for me). This has happened
>> almost every day at various times.
>
>I've had the client crash several times, but nothing like every few
>minutes. Not even every few hours.

It's the world server crashing here, all the time. Very very annoying,
there's rumours on our server that someone found an exploit that
reliably crashes it and they're doing it deliberately, don't know
about that but it's gone on for several days (not sure if it's still
happening as I'm now just avoiding Pandaria completely...)

>> - On zoning, getting stuck at 100%, dc'd, and then "Character not
>> found on EVERY character across my two accounts for 20 mins to an hour
>
>Wow. Bummer. Also haven't seen that.

You're lucky, there's numerous threads on EU tech support forum
complaining about it, might not affect the US at all, who knows :-) It
doesn't affect everyone, my experimenting reckons it's
account-related, as my bf doesn't get it, just me (same connection,
network etc), even tried logging him into the game on my PC, still
worked fine for him, while I was still locked out. That's incredibly
frustrating, watching him play while I can't!

>> - Instance server going down a couple of times while trying to do old
>> raids.
>
>I've gotten into the wrong version of the Headelss Horseman instance a
>few times, but nothing else.
>
>I'm glad I'm not having the troubles you are.
>
>Have you tried blowing away your cache and wtf folders?

It's all server related, so far as I can tell, so won't achieve
anything other than screwing up my settings. Since they all happen to
other people as well, and the "Character not found" one I even got my
bf to login on my install with no problems, I'm pretty confident it's
not at my end. Just bad luck I guess.

Den 23-10-2014 14:57, Catriona R skrev:

> It's the world server crashing here, all the time. Very very annoying,
> there's rumours on our server that someone found an exploit that
> reliably crashes it and they're doing it deliberately, don't know
> about that but it's gone on for several days (not sure if it's still
> happening as I'm now just avoiding Pandaria completely...)

No such problems on my realm. :)

-- 
Peter T.

<https://www.elitedangerous.com/>

On 23/10/2014 11:21 PM, Catriona R wrote:
>
> On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 12:44:06 +1030, | || ||| ||||| || |
> <|||||||||||||||||||||> wrote:
>
>> Losing tooltips , losing maps, dislike the interface, just could not get
>> anything right.
>
> Some of the interface changes can be fixed with addons, I got Classic
> Quest Log to bring back the oldstyle questlog, really can't get along
> with the new one (and I did use it all the time I've been on beta,
> trying to give it a fair chance - I still hate it).
>
>> There just doesn't seem to be effective scalability for anybody without
>> 20/20 vision and a 60 inch monitor. That is purely personal, but it
>> doesn't work for me.
>
> Seems exactly the same as before to me, I guess you must've had it
> setup differently then!
  I did have a lot of changes, mostly rescaling. It was fairly laborious 
to redo them all but now things don't adjust properly with the standard 
UI elements.
The new windowing and frames just don't scale they way they did before.
They used to adjust position properly with the standard elements, now 
everything just overlaps and hides other panels.
  Adjusting UI and rewriting lua is not fun, thats all.

>
>> Many bad ah and mail bugs, locks, delays, sorting, lost items - blizzard
>> mailing you lost items without even raising a ticket is a worry.
>
> No, that's a good sign - means their automated system actually
> recognised that something didn't reach you, much better than having to
> argue with a GM over whether the item ever even existed :-)
   Yes, I appreciated that part, no ticket no fuss.
BUT it should not happen and since I often have hundred of mails I have 
to wonder if anything went really missing.
  Also it messes up the accounting, what sold for what recorded.
  Hmmm I put up a 553 tailor hood, not on auction , not in mailbox, not 
in bags, check all characters maybe I put it on another banker?, nope.
I DID make it , didn't I? maybe I dreamed it.
A day later 8k and 3k turns up in amongst all the rest.
Cancelled auctions before final logout I think I should have had 150 
spirits of harmony as well not 70,  they didn't turn up.

    Not really a huge worry given the automatic recovery, they will 
probably be there in a couple of weeks, just a large niggling doubt that 
what is on the screen is accurate..


>
>> Open bank and guild bank and finding every tab empty is a bit of a gulp
>> moment.
>> They were back after relog.
>> I have tried with addons off, it doesn't seem to make much difference,
>>
>> It is possible the bare tabs was an addon, but then I would expect it to
>> keep happening.
>
> Eek, that's a bit weird! I first logged on with zero addons and only
> enabled updated ones, haven't hit any remotely similar problems,
> luckily.
  I keep bouncing addons on and off, most times I run into a new or old 
bug. Sometimes the AH shows no items and I post, then the very next 
update shows a fully populated price range so  a few dozen gold down the 
drain.
Not a huge problem, I just spend more time double checking now.
Actually the double probably evens out, in an active market the number 
of time I have seen an undercut seconds before posting..
Again it is more the doubt rather than monumentally deal breaking.
I am sure others were having similar problems, either addons or not.

Why were people buying my 50g spirit of harmony single stacks when there 
is now good supply at 40? Not a bid, a buyout.
Why buy 10 singles when there is a 10 stack right there at 40, and a 
bunch of singles at 40-45?
Giving me 100g extra just because they are generous?  or broken numbers?
   Given that people will go for 1 copper less I am pretty sure what 
they are seeing is wrong, so I have to think what I am seeing could be 
wrong.
   I freaks me out and makes me nervous , way too much stress
:-)

On Fri, 24 Oct 2014 01:05:25 +1030, | || ||| ||||| || |
<|||||||||||||||||||||> wrote:

>On 23/10/2014 11:21 PM, Catriona R wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 12:44:06 +1030, | || ||| ||||| || |
>> <|||||||||||||||||||||> wrote:

>>> Many bad ah and mail bugs, locks, delays, sorting, lost items - blizzard
>>> mailing you lost items without even raising a ticket is a worry.
>>
>> No, that's a good sign - means their automated system actually
>> recognised that something didn't reach you, much better than having to
>> argue with a GM over whether the item ever even existed :-)
>   Yes, I appreciated that part, no ticket no fuss.
>BUT it should not happen and since I often have hundred of mails I have 
>to wonder if anything went really missing.
>  Also it messes up the accounting, what sold for what recorded.
>  Hmmm I put up a 553 tailor hood, not on auction , not in mailbox, not 
>in bags, check all characters maybe I put it on another banker?, nope.
>I DID make it , didn't I? maybe I dreamed it.
>A day later 8k and 3k turns up in amongst all the rest.
>Cancelled auctions before final logout I think I should have had 150 
>spirits of harmony as well not 70,  they didn't turn up.
>
>    Not really a huge worry given the automatic recovery, they will 
>probably be there in a couple of weeks, just a large niggling doubt that 
>what is on the screen is accurate..

Yikes, haven't noticed any of that but then I don't keep detailed
accounts, I just accept what shows up in the mail, so I wouldn't even
notice if stuff went missing!

>>> Open bank and guild bank and finding every tab empty is a bit of a gulp
>>> moment.
>>> They were back after relog.
>>> I have tried with addons off, it doesn't seem to make much difference,
>>>
>>> It is possible the bare tabs was an addon, but then I would expect it to
>>> keep happening.
>>
>> Eek, that's a bit weird! I first logged on with zero addons and only
>> enabled updated ones, haven't hit any remotely similar problems,
>> luckily.
>  I keep bouncing addons on and off, most times I run into a new or old 
>bug. Sometimes the AH shows no items and I post, then the very next 
>update shows a fully populated price range so  a few dozen gold down the 
>drain.
>Not a huge problem, I just spend more time double checking now.
>Actually the double probably evens out, in an active market the number 
>of time I have seen an undercut seconds before posting..
>Again it is more the doubt rather than monumentally deal breaking.
>I am sure others were having similar problems, either addons or not.

Again, not seeing it, doesn't mean it's not happening though, since I
don't seriously farm the AH, just put stuff up when I'm passing
by.Most of those sound like addon bugs to me, maybe worth pruning the
addons down to very basic ones for a bit, if possible, may not be
though. 

I just use Auctionator and TradeSkillMaster, which both seem ok (and I
don't buy with TSM, only sell; tbh I wish I could get it with JUST the
simple stuff it was a couple of expansions back, when it was enough to
show me what crafts would be profitable to make and autopost them, but
not the complicated mess it is now, it's an absolute nightmare setting
up all those stupid groups but there's no simpler option)

>Why were people buying my 50g spirit of harmony single stacks when there 
>is now good supply at 40? Not a bid, a buyout.
>Why buy 10 singles when there is a 10 stack right there at 40, and a 
>bunch of singles at 40-45?
>Giving me 100g extra just because they are generous?  or broken numbers?

Or they don't run auction addons, not everyone does (and some people
may not have updated/replaced their old one). So the first thing they
see on the search page is the one they'll buy: on less common items
not having an addon doesn't matter since you can compare prices
easily, but if you're selling stuff there's lots of on the AH, then if
someone's looking to buy some and hasn't got an addon which translates
the prices, it's pot luck if they get the best value one or not :-) 

>   Given that people will go for 1 copper less I am pretty sure what 
>they are seeing is wrong, so I have to think what I am seeing could be 
>wrong.
>   I freaks me out and makes me nervous , way too much stress
>:-)

Hehe I prefer to just take what i see on face value, much easier ;-)

Den 23-10-2014 15:29, Peter T. skrev:
> Den 23-10-2014 14:57, Catriona R skrev:
>
>> It's the world server crashing here, all the time. Very very annoying,
>> there's rumours on our server that someone found an exploit that
>> reliably crashes it and they're doing it deliberately, don't know
>> about that but it's gone on for several days (not sure if it's still
>> happening as I'm now just avoiding Pandaria completely...)
>
> No such problems on my realm. :)

Well.  Talking about bugs.

Last night I looted Cape of the Alpha in a SoO hc run.  It wasnt 
upgradable so it was a simple 553 cloak.  This morning it was 
upgradable.  Odd.
I logged my tailor/scriber and went to Wez'Rass (or what that island is 
named) in townlong Steppes and farmed windwool cloth.  Pretty good spot 
for this as I farmed around +400 clothes in 40 mins.  This glyph 
technique <http://www.wowhead.com/item=104211> dropped, but I couldnt 
learn it.

-- 
Peter T.

<https://www.elitedangerous.com/>

"Catriona R" <catrion...@totalise.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:caqpogF9sa0U1@mid.individual.net...
>
> At least it feels like the buggiest, I tend to not be too affected by
> most bugs with major patches but this one's hitting me constantly!
> Over the last week I've experienced:


I went bug report mad this week.

Flying from Icecrown to the basin got kicked off my flying mount (yay flying 
broom can be used while moving!)

Kawai the Gorger in pet battles continues to shoot mothballs, killing pet 
AFTER he has died

When I logged off on my horde mage I had 48 minutes of the +300% XP buff 
from Elxir of Ancient Knowledge .. logged back in it was gone (grrr) 
ticketted and got a new Elixir (yay)

Applied Slow Fall to myself and teleported to Ancient Dalaran only to have 
the buff disappear as I zoned - not such a big deal as I could reapply Slow 
Fall but hey.  Bad enough that buff doesn't work on other players now..

"your items do not suffer duability damage when you are killed by another 
player" - no, I a compulsive repairer and whenever I sell junk I repair.. so 
when I got ganked doing the dousing the Horde flames I was furious to see a 
118g repair bill - I dont have one that high after a night of raiding!

My mammoth mount, dragged to my toolbar has the tooltip 'you are the wrong 
faction to use this mount'.   It still works though..  it was alliance 
bought not that it matters, I was on an alliance toon at the time.

Step briefly into the pools of green goop in Shadowmoon valley on my mage, 
ice shielded and my life dropped to about 5%.. suggesting some ground 
effects were not squished

On my 90 priest I used an engineer bomb to open a couple of ghost iron lock 
boxes, took over 50% HP drop on the first one.. helaed and shielded and the 
second one one-shotted me.  the next two required substantial heals after 
each one.

Low level gems having higher stats than high level gems

so many, many things wrong



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Den 26-10-2014 07:01, Lewis skrev:

>> ---
>> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.
>> http://www.avast.com
>
> Your (useless) signature has the wrong delimiter. The proper delimiter is
> exactly dash dash space end of line. Just like this one:

The message can be disabled in Avast.  Even in the free version which I 
also use.

-- 
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<https://www.elitedangerous.com/>

On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 06:01:27 +0000 (UTC), Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>Okay, so one time? In band camp? k <PI...@felafel.com> was all, like:
>
>> "Catriona R" <catrion...@totalise.co.uk> wrote in message 
>> news:caqpogF9sa0U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>
>>> At least it feels like the buggiest, I tend to not be too affected by
>>> most bugs with major patches but this one's hitting me constantly!
>>> Over the last week I've experienced:
>
>> I went bug report mad this week.
>
>> Flying from Icecrown to the basin got kicked off my flying mount (yay flying 
>> broom can be used while moving!)
>
>I reported a shitton of bugs in the Lich King beta. Hundreds. Not a
>single one was fixed, nit even the horrible glaring typos in quest
>text. Since then, I've decided blizzard doesn't give a damn about bugs.
>The fact that there was basically *NO* bug reporting mechanism in the
>latest beta only server to confirm this.

Yes there was, the same one that's on live. Main menu > Help > Submit
Bug. 

Not that they actually fixed all the bugs, indeed, I reported a
graphical one several times over at least 2 months, still went live.

On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 10:34:06 +0800, "k" <PI...@felafel.com> wrote:


>I went bug report mad this week.
>
>Flying from Icecrown to the basin got kicked off my flying mount (yay flying 
>broom can be used while moving!)

Did you happen to cross into Wintergrasp? That's always dismounted you
while the battle is going on, otherwise, sounds like the usual one
that's been around since crossrealmz ones were introduced, should've
been fixed by now, you'd hope... *sigh*

>Kawai the Gorger in pet battles continues to shoot mothballs, killing pet 
>AFTER he has died

This *might* be an animation issue where it takes a while to finish
the animation after the pet dies, and the processing of stuff takes a
second or two toc atch up, so he and your pet could have died at the
same time, but it just didn't show it.  I had that in reverse, where
my pet got killed by Xuen, and then he despawned and I had credit,
apparently it just didn't show the animations of the bit where he died
too!

>"your items do not suffer duability damage when you are killed by another 
>player" - no, I a compulsive repairer and whenever I sell junk I repair.. so 
>when I got ganked doing the dousing the Horde flames I was furious to see a 
>118g repair bill - I dont have one that high after a night of raiding!

Eep. You should get *some* repairs, as you still take dura loss from
taking damage, but that sounds a bit high!

>Step briefly into the pools of green goop in Shadowmoon valley on my mage, 
>ice shielded and my life dropped to about 5%.. suggesting some ground 
>effects were not squished

Lava is supposed to hurt more now, not sure about that much more
though!

On 24/10/2014 2:06 AM, Catriona R wrote:
>
> On Fri, 24 Oct 2014 01:05:25 +1030, | || ||| ||||| || |
> <|||||||||||||||||||||> wrote:
>
>> On 23/10/2014 11:21 PM, Catriona R wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 12:44:06 +1030, | || ||| ||||| || |
>>> <|||||||||||||||||||||> wrote:
>
>>>> Many bad ah and mail bugs, locks, delays, sorting, lost items - blizzard
>>>> mailing you lost items without even raising a ticket is a worry.
>>>
>>> No, that's a good sign - means their automated system actually
>>> recognised that something didn't reach you, much better than having to
>>> argue with a GM over whether the item ever even existed :-)
>>    Yes, I appreciated that part, no ticket no fuss.
>> BUT it should not happen and since I often have hundred of mails I have
>> to wonder if anything went really missing.
>>   Also it messes up the accounting, what sold for what recorded.
>>   Hmmm I put up a 553 tailor hood, not on auction , not in mailbox, not
>> in bags, check all characters maybe I put it on another banker?, nope.
>> I DID make it , didn't I? maybe I dreamed it.
>> A day later 8k and 3k turns up in amongst all the rest.
>> Cancelled auctions before final logout I think I should have had 150
>> spirits of harmony as well not 70,  they didn't turn up.
>>
>>     Not really a huge worry given the automatic recovery, they will
>> probably be there in a couple of weeks, just a large niggling doubt that
>> what is on the screen is accurate..
>
> Yikes, haven't noticed any of that but then I don't keep detailed
> accounts, I just accept what shows up in the mail, so I wouldn't even
> notice if stuff went missing!

Blizzard must really want to get their stats up.
Only unsubbed for 2 weeks and they give 7 free days.
Before stopping I cleaned out all auctions
then waited a couple of hours then logged in for one last check, all okay.
What do the bankers find? AH mails, one had a full inbox, about 50 items 
and about 12k gold waiting.

Also I find they have moved servers to OZ, whoohoo.
Some people are getting 5ms not 300, I get 80 because I am nowhere near 
Sydney but still a lot better than a highly variable 250-1000.

My worst 90 is just strolling around timeless. It could never survive 
long enough to get over the catch-22, you need the buffs to farm and get 
more buffs, but it died before the buffs got more than 10 or 20 minutes 
use. No buffs no loot no advancement, no fun, not played much.

Now it is like the slow-mo scenes from matrix.
Oh look, mob is casting, I think I shall
INTERRUPT
and hit it
Oh it is casting a cone of damage
I think I shall
STEP OUT OF THE FIRE =before= it spontaneously appears without warning.
and hit it a few times
Oh look, it is trying to hit me again
I think I shall
STUN it
And build up some combos,
hit
hit
hit
And ...Oh it is dead.
LOOT
It is destroying 91-92 elites it had little chance of surviving two 
weeks ago.

On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 23:24:07 +1030, | || ||| ||||| || |
<|||||||||||||||||||||> wrote:

>Blizzard must really want to get their stats up.
>Only unsubbed for 2 weeks and they give 7 free days.
>Before stopping I cleaned out all auctions
>then waited a couple of hours then logged in for one last check, all okay.
>What do the bankers find? AH mails, one had a full inbox, about 50 items 
>and about 12k gold waiting.

Lol, weird, all my mail appears to be behaving normally, maybe just a
thing with the servers you play on then, else I've been lucky!

>Also I find they have moved servers to OZ, whoohoo.
>Some people are getting 5ms not 300, I get 80 because I am nowhere near 
>Sydney but still a lot better than a highly variable 250-1000.
>
>My worst 90 is just strolling around timeless. It could never survive 
>long enough to get over the catch-22, you need the buffs to farm and get 
>more buffs, but it died before the buffs got more than 10 or 20 minutes 
>use. No buffs no loot no advancement, no fun, not played much.
>
>Now it is like the slow-mo scenes from matrix.
>Oh look, mob is casting, I think I shall
>INTERRUPT
>and hit it
>Oh it is casting a cone of damage
>I think I shall
>STEP OUT OF THE FIRE =before= it spontaneously appears without warning.
>and hit it a few times
>Oh look, it is trying to hit me again
>I think I shall
>STUN it
>And build up some combos,
>hit
>hit
>hit
>And ...Oh it is dead.
>LOOT
>It is destroying 91-92 elites it had little chance of surviving two 
>weeks ago.

Hehe nice! Must feel a whole lot better that way, I've always hated it
when I get lag, but that's very rare (and usually at my end, last time
I had a noticeable problem it turned out a filter had gone dodgy;
changed it and bam, connection back to normal), even playing on US
servers it's never noticeable for me, despite being a different
continent; I guess the connection between America and Europe is rather
better than that between Australia and America! 

On 10/31/2014 8:54 AM, | || ||| ||||| || | wrote:
> Blizzard must really want to get their stats up.
> Only unsubbed for 2 weeks and they give 7 free days.

I only popped in here as I heard the new expansion is due to come out, 
so I was reading up a bit.  I've quit cold turkey almost exactly 1 year 
ago, and have not looked back or missed it enough, and from reading up 
on the new expansion, nothing is really drawing me back in, so I'm not 
buying the new expansion or renewing.  IMy only reason for commenting 
was on the above remark,  and wanted to make aware that it wasn't 
limited to just you.  They must have just sent a mass mail to all e-mail 
addy's they have on record for cancelled accounts.  I got the message:

Korgra,
The Iron Horde invasion has begun! Rush to the defence of Azeroth today 
with 7 days of FREE* game time, and prepare for the arrival of Warlords 
of Draenor™ on November 13, 2014. Act fast, this offer expires on Nov 5th!

on the 23rd of October....

You all enjoy yourselves.   :)

IYM

Den 31-10-2014 16:37, IYM skrev:
> On 10/31/2014 8:54 AM, | || ||| ||||| || | wrote:
>> Blizzard must really want to get their stats up.
>> Only unsubbed for 2 weeks and they give 7 free days.
>
> I only popped in here as I heard the new expansion is due to come out,
> so I was reading up a bit.  I've quit cold turkey almost exactly 1 year
> ago, and have not looked back or missed it enough, and from reading up
> on the new expansion, nothing is really drawing me back in, so I'm not
> buying the new expansion or renewing.  IMy only reason for commenting
> was on the above remark,  and wanted to make aware that it wasn't
> limited to just you.  They must have just sent a mass mail to all e-mail
> addy's they have on record for cancelled accounts.  I got the message:
>
> Korgra,
> The Iron Horde invasion has begun! Rush to the defence of Azeroth today
> with 7 days of FREE* game time, and prepare for the arrival of Warlords
> of Draenor™ on November 13, 2014. Act fast, this offer expires on Nov 5th!
>
> on the 23rd of October....
>
> You all enjoy yourselves.   :)
>
> IYM

Since you peek inhere now and then something may pull you.  Use your 7 
days, pug a garry kill and get your heirloom weapon.  IF you return and 
want to go to 100 you'll be happy with this loom. ;)

-- 
Peter T.

<https://www.elitedangerous.com/>

On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 11:37:35 -0400, IYM <nor...@whitehouse.gov>
wrote:

>On 10/31/2014 8:54 AM, | || ||| ||||| || | wrote:
>> Blizzard must really want to get their stats up.
>> Only unsubbed for 2 weeks and they give 7 free days.
>
>I only popped in here as I heard the new expansion is due to come out, 
>so I was reading up a bit.  I've quit cold turkey almost exactly 1 year 
>ago, and have not looked back or missed it enough, and from reading up 
>on the new expansion, nothing is really drawing me back in, so I'm not 
>buying the new expansion or renewing. 

Shame, I used to like reading your comments on here! But if it doesn't
interest you, then it's not worth subbing, indeed - I've got doubts
about a few aspects myself, just I know a fair bit does interest me so
I'll give it a go :-)

> IMy only reason for commenting 
>was on the above remark,  and wanted to make aware that it wasn't 
>limited to just you.  They must have just sent a mass mail to all e-mail 
>addy's they have on record for cancelled accounts.  I got the message:
>
>Korgra,
>The Iron Horde invasion has begun! Rush to the defence of Azeroth today 
>with 7 days of FREE* game time, and prepare for the arrival of Warlords 
>of Draenor™ on November 13, 2014. Act fast, this offer expires on Nov 5th!
>
>on the 23rd of October....
>
>You all enjoy yourselves.   :)

I got that on an account which has never even been subbed (starter
account) lol, so yeah, it's fairly universal. Makes sense tbh, get
people in to see the changes and see if it interests them enough to
get the expansion!

On 1/11/2014 2:17 AM, Peter T. wrote:
> Den 31-10-2014 16:37, IYM skrev:
>> On 10/31/2014 8:54 AM, | || ||| ||||| || | wrote:
>>> Blizzard must really want to get their stats up.
>>> Only unsubbed for 2 weeks and they give 7 free days.
>>
>> I only popped in here as I heard the new expansion is due to come out,
>> so I was reading up a bit.  I've quit cold turkey almost exactly 1 year
>> ago, and have not looked back or missed it enough, and from reading up
>> on the new expansion, nothing is really drawing me back in, so I'm not
>> buying the new expansion or renewing.  IMy only reason for commenting
>> was on the above remark,  and wanted to make aware that it wasn't
>> limited to just you.  They must have just sent a mass mail to all e-mail
>> addy's they have on record for cancelled accounts.  I got the message:
>>
>> Korgra,
>> The Iron Horde invasion has begun! Rush to the defence of Azeroth today
>> with 7 days of FREE* game time, and prepare for the arrival of Warlords
>> of Draenor™ on November 13, 2014. Act fast, this offer expires on Nov
>> 5th!
>>
>> on the 23rd of October....
>>
>> You all enjoy yourselves.   :)
>>
>> IYM
>
> Since you peek inhere now and then something may pull you.  Use your 7
> days, pug a garry kill and get your heirloom weapon.  IF you return and
> want to go to 100 you'll be happy with this loom. ;)

  Plus enjoy burning tens of gig of download, and spend days trying to 
reconfigure addons, finding ones that work, changed graphics, talents, 
changed spells :-)

YAyyyyyy,  I have the UI scaler back, and tooltips don't seem to be 
disappearing
I didn't have the scaler  in patch 6.02 but now with 6.03 it is back, 
now I can dump a  lot of the UI scaling that doesn't work with standard 
UI.


I don't play all that much but still hang around. Parts of the game are 
enjoyable, hanging around you remember the fun parts, and forget all the 
  trying to tunnel to magnificence with a teaspoon.

On 10/31/2014 11:47 AM, Peter T. wrote:
> Den 31-10-2014 16:37, IYM skrev:
>> On 10/31/2014 8:54 AM, | || ||| ||||| || | wrote:
>>> Blizzard must really want to get their stats up.
>>> Only unsubbed for 2 weeks and they give 7 free days.
>>
>> I only popped in here as I heard the new expansion is due to come out,
>> so I was reading up a bit.  I've quit cold turkey almost exactly 1 year
>> ago, and have not looked back or missed it enough, and from reading up
>> on the new expansion, nothing is really drawing me back in, so I'm not
>> buying the new expansion or renewing.  IMy only reason for commenting
>> was on the above remark,  and wanted to make aware that it wasn't
>> limited to just you.  They must have just sent a mass mail to all e-mail
>> addy's they have on record for cancelled accounts.  I got the message:
>>
>> Korgra,
>> The Iron Horde invasion has begun! Rush to the defence of Azeroth today
>> with 7 days of FREE* game time, and prepare for the arrival of Warlords
>> of Draenor™ on November 13, 2014. Act fast, this offer expires on Nov
>> 5th!
>>
>> on the 23rd of October....
>>
>> You all enjoy yourselves.   :)
>>
>> IYM
>
> Since you peek inhere now and then something may pull you.  Use your 7
> days, pug a garry kill and get your heirloom weapon.  IF you return and
> want to go to 100 you'll be happy with this loom. ;)
>

What "pulled" me is that my friend still plays occasionally (but not 
like he did), and told me about the patch drop and release date during a 
conversation.  As it was such a large part of my free time for years, of 
course curiosity would get me to wonder...I'm only human....so I read up 
on it, and it's just not generating enough pull to give up the things 
that I filled in that free time with, that's all.  I hope all enjoy!  I 
do miss the conversations in this group, but also miss the people long 
silent from here....I know Catronia was been here forever so mentioning 
names like Polarhound, neithskye, Shammy, ToolPakinMama, Orion Ryder, 
Steve Kaye, CJ Campbell, and Ashen Shugar as well as a host of others 
should bring back some memories...heh..  I just can't remember the name 
of the guy that played the warlock who shall we say was, ahem - very 
opinionated...lol

Den 31-10-2014 19:47, IYM skrev:
> I know Catronia was been here forever so mentioning
> names like Polarhound, neithskye, Shammy, ToolPakinMama, Orion Ryder,
> Steve Kaye, CJ Campbell, and Ashen Shugar as well as a host of others
> should bring back some memories...heh..  I just can't remember the name
> of the guy that played the warlock who shall we say was, ahem - very
> opinionated...lol

I remember them all too + the one who trolled a bit.  I havent seen him 
in months.. :)

-- 
Peter T.

<https://www.elitedangerous.com/>

On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 14:47:04 -0400, IYM <nor...@whitehouse.gov>
wrote:

>  I 
>do miss the conversations in this group, but also miss the people long 
>silent from here....I know Catronia was been here forever so mentioning 
>names like Polarhound, neithskye, Shammy, ToolPakinMama, Orion Ryder, 
>Steve Kaye, CJ Campbell, and Ashen Shugar as well as a host of others 
>should bring back some memories...heh..  I just can't remember the name 
>of the guy that played the warlock who shall we say was, ahem - very 
>opinionated...lol

Ooh those names take me back, yep! I miss how active this group used
to be, now it feels like there's maybe half a dozen of us here, lots
of old names are gone, whether from WoW entirely or just Usenet, who
knows. One of two of the names you list I've seen on the Diablo 2
newsgroup more recently than here, but even then, most were a year or
two back (and I can't really say much there now since they only talk
about D2 which I've not played; I joined it when D3 came out as I
enjoy that one!)

Who knows, maybe someone will reappear for the expansion, seen 2 old
friends return to WoW post-patch at least, unfortunately neither is
very active and both I expect to disappear again very fast... oh well.
It's still a big improvement on seeing zero friends for about the last
6 months, which was how it was before this patch!

On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 20:05:45 +0100, "Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum>
wrote:

>Den 31-10-2014 19:47, IYM skrev:
>> I know Catronia was been here forever so mentioning
>> names like Polarhound, neithskye, Shammy, ToolPakinMama, Orion Ryder,
>> Steve Kaye, CJ Campbell, and Ashen Shugar as well as a host of others
>> should bring back some memories...heh..  I just can't remember the name
>> of the guy that played the warlock who shall we say was, ahem - very
>> opinionated...lol
>
>I remember them all too + the one who trolled a bit.  I havent seen him 
>in months.. :)

Scratching my head trying to remember... finally got it, josephus? I
was never sure if he was for real or not, but I think he was a warlock
anyway, and certainly rather stood out a bit.... 

Den 31-10-2014 20:09, Catriona R skrev:
>
> On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 20:05:45 +0100, "Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum>
> wrote:
>
>> Den 31-10-2014 19:47, IYM skrev:
>>> I know Catronia was been here forever so mentioning
>>> names like Polarhound, neithskye, Shammy, ToolPakinMama, Orion Ryder,
>>> Steve Kaye, CJ Campbell, and Ashen Shugar as well as a host of others
>>> should bring back some memories...heh..  I just can't remember the name
>>> of the guy that played the warlock who shall we say was, ahem - very
>>> opinionated...lol
>>
>> I remember them all too + the one who trolled a bit.  I havent seen him
>> in months.. :)
>
> Scratching my head trying to remember... finally got it, josephus? I
> was never sure if he was for real or not, but I think he was a warlock
> anyway, and certainly rather stood out a bit....

Nah.  His name was something with Black Hand or something like that.  He 
was a true jerk. :)

-- 
Peter T.

<https://www.elitedangerous.com/>

On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 20:13:49 +0100, "Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum>
wrote:

>Den 31-10-2014 20:09, Catriona R skrev:
>>
>> On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 20:05:45 +0100, "Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Den 31-10-2014 19:47, IYM skrev:
>>>> I know Catronia was been here forever so mentioning
>>>> names like Polarhound, neithskye, Shammy, ToolPakinMama, Orion Ryder,
>>>> Steve Kaye, CJ Campbell, and Ashen Shugar as well as a host of others
>>>> should bring back some memories...heh..  I just can't remember the name
>>>> of the guy that played the warlock who shall we say was, ahem - very
>>>> opinionated...lol
>>>
>>> I remember them all too + the one who trolled a bit.  I havent seen him
>>> in months.. :)
>>
>> Scratching my head trying to remember... finally got it, josephus? I
>> was never sure if he was for real or not, but I think he was a warlock
>> anyway, and certainly rather stood out a bit....
>
>Nah.  His name was something with Black Hand or something like that.  He 
>was a true jerk. :)

Ohhhh, him, I've had him on ignore for about 8 years, no wonder I
forgot him, only ever saw his posts when someone quoted him :-)

On 1/11/2014 5:43 AM, Peter T. wrote:
> Den 31-10-2014 20:09, Catriona R skrev:
>>
>> On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 20:05:45 +0100, "Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Den 31-10-2014 19:47, IYM skrev:
>>>> I know Catronia was been here forever so mentioning
>>>> names like Polarhound, neithskye, Shammy, ToolPakinMama, Orion Ryder,
>>>> Steve Kaye, CJ Campbell, and Ashen Shugar as well as a host of others
>>>> should bring back some memories...heh..  I just can't remember the name
>>>> of the guy that played the warlock who shall we say was, ahem - very
>>>> opinionated...lol
>>>
>>> I remember them all too + the one who trolled a bit.  I havent seen him
>>> in months.. :)
>>
>> Scratching my head trying to remember... finally got it, josephus? I
>> was never sure if he was for real or not, but I think he was a warlock
>> anyway, and certainly rather stood out a bit....
>
> Nah.  His name was something with Black Hand or something like that.  He
> was a true jerk. :)

Blackheart-US-PVP ?  That is from an old downrate list

what is that rumbling and shaking?
will it be friendly??
      They have a cave troll...

On 1/11/2014 1:01 AM, Catriona R wrote:
>
> On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 23:24:07 +1030, | || ||| ||||| || |
> <|||||||||||||||||||||> wrote:
>
>> Blizzard must really want to get their stats up.
>> Only unsubbed for 2 weeks and they give 7 free days.
>> Before stopping I cleaned out all auctions
>> then waited a couple of hours then logged in for one last check, all okay.
>> What do the bankers find? AH mails, one had a full inbox, about 50 items
>> and about 12k gold waiting.
>
> Lol, weird, all my mail appears to be behaving normally, maybe just a
> thing with the servers you play on then, else I've been lucky!

Probably more that I have hundreds of items so messages backed up, then 
halt the cycle.
If I was on all the time and ran one of the automatic mail scanners I 
wouldn't notice if 1% took 12 or 24 hours to turn up.
  I don't gouge , much, more making margins on smoothing out extremes vs 
ah cut and loss of deposit costs so there is a lot of buy/sell churn 
which increases the number of exchanges.


700 or so on AH atm and only logged in last night, a lot of those are 
1,2 5 stacks , ore,leather,cloth,gems, herbs,pets etc etc 5 or 6 types 
each adds up quickly.

  The fun is worrying about every precious pixel and byte :-)

Also fun is watching a bunch of monkeys play russian roulette
http://asx.netquote.com.au/charts.asp?code=XAO
( australian stock market chart)
woohoo  closed friday at 5505, predicted/hoped/gambled 5500
can we say 'bubble' ?

   It was a friends superannuation closeout, thats 1/3 of a cheapish car 
every year extra, or many coffee shops, or a couple of around the world 
tickets a year extra, every year forever, or until the monkeys find the 
safety catch.
  Feeling chuffed, lets play wow ah for pixels :-)

Den 01-11-2014 00:53, | || ||| ||||| || | skrev:

> Blackheart-US-PVP ?  That is from an old downrate list
>
> what is that rumbling and shaking?
> will it be friendly??
>       They have a cave troll...

I bet he still lurks here now and then. :)

-- 
Peter T.

<https://www.elitedangerous.com/>

Today's new bug: go to Firelands with my bf, enter raid, he's a bit
behind me so I start clearing trash... he enters, trash not cleared,
no sign of me. Yep, different instance. No reason for it, neither of
us have been in there this week, both exiting and resetting fixed it
at least.

Later on, took two of my characters into SoO entrance (haven't been
near the place on any difficulty for months) for easy farming of kills
for the Day of the Dead achievements, they entered about 5 seconds
apart... different instances. Exited, reset, entered at the same
time... different instances. Eventually got there after a lot of
messing around, changing raid sizes, anything I could think of to
force a reset. Hope this one doesn't persist for long, it's a pain!

On 2/11/2014 9:22 AM, Catriona R wrote:
>
> Today's new bug: go to Firelands with my bf, enter raid, he's a bit
> behind me so I start clearing trash... he enters, trash not cleared,
> no sign of me. Yep, different instance. No reason for it, neither of
> us have been in there this week, both exiting and resetting fixed it
> at least.
>
> Later on, took two of my characters into SoO entrance (haven't been
> near the place on any difficulty for months) for easy farming of kills
> for the Day of the Dead achievements, they entered about 5 seconds
> apart... different instances. Exited, reset, entered at the same
> time... different instances. Eventually got there after a lot of
> messing around, changing raid sizes, anything I could think of to
> force a reset. Hope this one doesn't persist for long, it's a pain!

Wow is full of bugs but since most can be worked around they become part 
of the 'making wow work properly' minigame and sink below attention.

I was grinding and went to Timeless to show a godson the graphics and 
gameplay. Not a lot of interest when told the download requirements and 
the huge upfront time demand to actually get to endgame,whatever that is.
The sky, the waves, the giant wing shadows all the way to the horizon, 
destroys the illusion and makes all the wave rendering GPU power pretty 
useless, I usually ignore that.
Showing them the atmospheric light, the sun on the tiles, the shadows, 
quite pretty.
Grinding on a tiger, ummmm, it is halfway up a hill and half in it , it 
is stuck and can't move.

I don't usually notice but when someone points it out for a while it 
gives a new perspective, a 10 year old game demanding 20 times the 
processing/rendering power of the original has sunk it all into 
atmospheric graphics but has so many other bugs.

   I don't mind sprite graphics, I can quite happily ignore it and don't 
need the HD animations.
I still play old games that use nothing but text block graphics.
Most of the time I am just looking at text or bar graph countdowns, 
health, cast time etc.
I quite like the standout border on mouseover, makes it look rubbish but 
is helpful and can be turned off.

All these bug-lets are around, -everywhere-, we just don't notice or we 
work around them because mostly they aren't roadblocks.
The objective today is to change [800 neutral] to [1 friendly]
every thing else is just a blur of HD 100hz rendered pixels.

I think it was IYM <nor...@whitehouse.gov> that wrote something
like...

>On 10/31/2014 11:47 AM, Peter T. wrote:
>> Den 31-10-2014 16:37, IYM skrev:
>>> On 10/31/2014 8:54 AM, | || ||| ||||| || | wrote:
>>>> Blizzard must really want to get their stats up.
>>>> Only unsubbed for 2 weeks and they give 7 free days.
>>>
>>> I only popped in here as I heard the new expansion is due to come out,
>>> so I was reading up a bit.  I've quit cold turkey almost exactly 1 year
>>> ago, and have not looked back or missed it enough, and from reading up
>>> on the new expansion, nothing is really drawing me back in, so I'm not
>>> buying the new expansion or renewing.  IMy only reason for commenting
>>> was on the above remark,  and wanted to make aware that it wasn't
>>> limited to just you.  They must have just sent a mass mail to all e-mail
>>> addy's they have on record for cancelled accounts.  I got the message:
>>>
>>> Korgra,
>>> The Iron Horde invasion has begun! Rush to the defence of Azeroth today
>>> with 7 days of FREE* game time, and prepare for the arrival of Warlords
>>> of Draenor? on November 13, 2014. Act fast, this offer expires on Nov
>>> 5th!
>>>
>>> on the 23rd of October....
>>>
>>> You all enjoy yourselves.   :)
>>>
>>> IYM
>>
>> Since you peek inhere now and then something may pull you.  Use your 7
>> days, pug a garry kill and get your heirloom weapon.  IF you return and
>> want to go to 100 you'll be happy with this loom. ;)
>>
>
>What "pulled" me is that my friend still plays occasionally (but not 
>like he did), and told me about the patch drop and release date during a 
>conversation.  As it was such a large part of my free time for years, of 
>course curiosity would get me to wonder...I'm only human....so I read up 
>on it, and it's just not generating enough pull to give up the things 
>that I filled in that free time with, that's all.  I hope all enjoy!  I 
>do miss the conversations in this group, but also miss the people long 
>silent from here....I know Catronia was been here forever so mentioning 
>names like Polarhound, neithskye, Shammy, ToolPakinMama, Orion Ryder, 
>Steve Kaye, CJ Campbell, and Ashen Shugar as well as a host of others 
>should bring back some memories...heh..  I just can't remember the name 
>of the guy that played the warlock who shall we say was, ahem - very 
>opinionated...lol

I still keep an eye open in here, but since I quit playing mid MoP, I
don't really have anything particularly relevant to say.

I do sometimes miss going drunken tanking but most of the rest of what
I hear about what's new to the game doesn't really inspire me.  Not
that I've seen any email about 7 free days or the like.

Even so, I may yet return, if my life changes to give me regular
blocks of time to play. :)

Ashen Shugar
-- 
The lions sing and the hills take flight.
The moon by day, and the sun by night.
Blind woman, deaf man, jackdaw fool.
Let the Lord of Chaos rule!