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On 16/10/2014 4:49 AM, Catriona R wrote:
>
> Curious what others think of them! I've gone over my main server
> characters, two accounts so 22 total. Six weren't affected, leaving
> 16, and the hitrate isn't good, considering Blizzard repeatedly said
> they're supposed to feel like "our characters but better"
> (paraphrasing).
>
> Like a lot: troll male x2, UD male, dwarf male, draenei female
>
> Although draenei female's eyes are wrong, I've got used to those one
> beta by now. Troll and dwarf run animation is a bit bad, too.
>
> Like, but it's not my character: troll female x3, tauren male
>
> Actually, I love the troll female faces, they're awesome, if slightly
> different to before! My favourite hairstyle looks awful now though,
> and while my next favourite is unscathed, it feels wrong at present,
> need to get used to it. Tauren is unrecognisable but a trip to the
> barber shop made him look good, just not "my" character.
>
> Don't like, but can put up with: nelf female, human female
>
> Nelf female looks male now, human female has way too high eyebrows and
> a ditzy look on her face.
>
> Really don't like: Human male x2, dwarf female x2, orc male
>
> A bit surprised by the orc, as they are much improved models, but then
> I've never really liked orcs; I just can't get any face to look right.
> Dwarf females look stoned and very fat-faced, frankly they make me
> think of hozen. Human, urgh, my first main is just so far from what he
> used to be. I had hopes of saving my other human, as he'd always had a
> good moustache/beard which would hide some of the face... well I
> hadn't realised how truly awful the facial hair options look. Bleh.
> All five of these can only be saved by racechanging/rerolling :-(
>
>
> So, only 1/3 live up to "my" characters but "better". Just over 1.2
> are "better", if I take time to get used to them, while 1/3 are so bad
> I just want to bin them. That's a massive letdown, I'd really expected
> better than that, even knowing how had one or two of the models were.
> I'm just glad I didn't have a gnome female, or the hitrate would've
> been even worse...
Human males suck, which means all my characters suck.
We are used to exaggerated cartoon characters, in this game and elsewhere.
The closer they try to get to anything like real human the more they run 
into creepy response.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley

On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 19:19:08 +0100, Catriona R
<catrion...@totalise.co.uk> wrote:

>Like, but it's not my character: troll female x3, tauren male
>
>Actually, I love the troll female faces, they're awesome, if slightly
>different to before! My favourite hairstyle looks awful now though,
>and while my next favourite is unscathed, it feels wrong at present,
>need to get used to it.

Erk, playing one a bit now, they've screwed up the casting animation,
I jerk backwards as the cast ends, like I've just been hit, even when
I'm hitting a harmless target dummy. Hopefully that's an obvious
enough bug that'll it'll get fixed...

I haven't seen all my chars, but my human was dead ugly . She even was 
more butterfaced then before. SO first thing I did was change her 
appearance.  Then I checked my mage. Alas the game died a bit before I 
could change her. When I logged in on my blood elf I was relieved. She 
looks ok
I have to relearn so many new classe, no mana costs atm for druid, but 
also no more innervate, so lets hope they dont nerf mana too  much.
My priest heals, still not that good yet, have to practice. At least my 
dk still rocks, just too bad the animation is bugged.

SF

Catriona R schreef op 15-10-2014 20:19:
>
> Curious what others think of them! I've gone over my main server
> characters, two accounts so 22 total. Six weren't affected, leaving
> 16, and the hitrate isn't good, considering Blizzard repeatedly said
> they're supposed to feel like "our characters but better"
> (paraphrasing).
>
> Like a lot: troll male x2, UD male, dwarf male, draenei female
>
> Although draenei female's eyes are wrong, I've got used to those one
> beta by now. Troll and dwarf run animation is a bit bad, too.
>
> Like, but it's not my character: troll female x3, tauren male
>
> Actually, I love the troll female faces, they're awesome, if slightly
> different to before! My favourite hairstyle looks awful now though,
> and while my next favourite is unscathed, it feels wrong at present,
> need to get used to it. Tauren is unrecognisable but a trip to the
> barber shop made him look good, just not "my" character.
>
> Don't like, but can put up with: nelf female, human female
>
> Nelf female looks male now, human female has way too high eyebrows and
> a ditzy look on her face.
>
> Really don't like: Human male x2, dwarf female x2, orc male
>
> A bit surprised by the orc, as they are much improved models, but then
> I've never really liked orcs; I just can't get any face to look right.
> Dwarf females look stoned and very fat-faced, frankly they make me
> think of hozen. Human, urgh, my first main is just so far from what he
> used to be. I had hopes of saving my other human, as he'd always had a
> good moustache/beard which would hide some of the face... well I
> hadn't realised how truly awful the facial hair options look. Bleh.
> All five of these can only be saved by racechanging/rerolling :-(
>
>
> So, only 1/3 live up to "my" characters but "better". Just over 1.2
> are "better", if I take time to get used to them, while 1/3 are so bad
> I just want to bin them. That's a massive letdown, I'd really expected
> better than that, even knowing how had one or two of the models were.
> I'm just glad I didn't have a gnome female, or the hitrate would've
> been even worse...
>

SF schreef op 16-10-2014 12:29:
> I haven't seen all my chars, but my human was dead ugly . She even was
> more butterfaced then before. SO first thing I did was change her
> appearance.  Then I checked my mage. Alas the game died a bit before I
> could change her. When I logged in on my blood elf I was relieved. She
> looks ok
> I have to relearn so many new classe, no mana costs atm for druid, but
> also no more innervate, so lets hope they dont nerf mana too  much.
> My priest heals, still not that good yet, have to practice. At least my
> dk still rocks, just too bad the animation is bugged.
>
> SF
oops i meant my mage is a gnome. she looks really different.Just checked 
my orc, she looks a bit meaner. The dwarf face is also messed up. But 
humans are the worst of it imo

On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 12:45:22 +0200, SF <S...@example.nl> wrote:

>SF schreef op 16-10-2014 12:29:
>> I haven't seen all my chars, but my human was dead ugly . She even was
>> more butterfaced then before. SO first thing I did was change her
>> appearance.  Then I checked my mage. Alas the game died a bit before I
>> could change her. When I logged in on my blood elf I was relieved. She
>> looks ok

Blood elves weren't changed :-) You have to worry about what happens
to them when they do get done though, they're supposed to come in a
future patch; as a result if I racechange anything it won't be to a
blood elf, as the same problems may happen to them too :-/

>> I have to relearn so many new classe, no mana costs atm for druid, but
>> also no more innervate, so lets hope they dont nerf mana too  much.
>> My priest heals, still not that good yet, have to practice. At least my
>> dk still rocks, just too bad the animation is bugged.

I just died for the first time in a long time on Ordos - not sure if
there weren't many healers in the raid, or we were all crap, but I
usually get healed up instantly when I get hit with anything, this
time I only noticed I was low on health as I was falling to my death
:-) Looks like I have to get used to aoe/smart heals being rather less
common than before and not just spam dps!

>oops i meant my mage is a gnome. she looks really different.Just checked 
>my orc, she looks a bit meaner. The dwarf face is also messed up. But 
>humans are the worst of it imo

Ouch, female gnomes and dwarves are among the worst for me, not good.
The female human is just about tolerable, I don't like it but it's
less bad than some, they all look surprised and a bit ditzy, but
that's better than the stoned dwarves and depressed gnomes! Alliance
females really came out of this one badly, only the draenei actually
looks nice imo, and even she doesn't look the same as before. 

It's really disappointing to me that the models I think look great are
really a minority: dwarf male/draenei female is all that worked on
alliance for me, while on Horde troll m/f, UD male, orc female all
look good, tauren male is pretty cool too, though not too similar to
the old model. If I played mainly alliance I'd be turning the new
models off, as it is I think most of my alliance alts will be
gathering dust for a while.

Catriona R schreef op 16-10-2014 13:00:

>
> Ouch, female gnomes and dwarves are among the worst for me, not good.
> The female human is just about tolerable, I don't like it but it's
> less bad than some, they all look surprised and a bit ditzy, but
> that's better than the stoned dwarves and depressed gnomes! Alliance
> females really came out of this one badly, only the draenei actually
> looks nice imo, and even she doesn't look the same as before.
haha depressed gnomes. I did notice that they don't smile. Perhaps cause 
they are so small

>
> It's really disappointing to me that the models I think look great are
> really a minority: dwarf male/draenei female is all that worked on
> alliance for me, while on Horde troll m/f, UD male, orc female all
> look good, tauren male is pretty cool too, though not too similar to
> the old model. If I played mainly alliance I'd be turning the new
> models off, as it is I think most of my alliance alts will be
> gathering dust for a while.
>
its just that my guild on alliance is more active.
SF

Den 15-10-2014 20:19, Catriona R skrev:
>
> Curious what others think of them! I've gone over my main server
> characters, two accounts so 22 total. Six weren't affected, leaving
> 16, and the hitrate isn't good, considering Blizzard repeatedly said
> they're supposed to feel like "our characters but better"
> (paraphrasing).

I really dont care.  Well.  I see my chars very close on the char 
selection screen.  But in the game I'm always zoomed out at max range so 
my own char (which I always see from behind!) and other chars are just 
grouped pixels.  Better or worse models dont affect my gameplay or 
experience.
Honestly.  I dont see any reason for the new models.  Its like Blizzard 
says "hey!  We can make a detailed moustache because we can!!!".  you 
cant see all the details anyway unless you play the game from a 
first-person point.  But I'm sure there are loads of peeps around who 
needs to upgrade their video card just because the moustache has become 
more detailed and therefore demand more powah due to the new gfx engine.

When that is said; my gnome lock's new face looks pretty dumb.  I 
wouldnt allow my gnome in any raid because he looks like a dizzy 
neanderthal on a heroine trip. :)

-- 
Peter T.

<https://www.elitedangerous.com/>

On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 15:21:59 +0200, SF <S...@example.nl> wrote:

>Catriona R schreef op 16-10-2014 13:00:
>
>>
>> Ouch, female gnomes and dwarves are among the worst for me, not good.
>> The female human is just about tolerable, I don't like it but it's
>> less bad than some, they all look surprised and a bit ditzy, but
>> that's better than the stoned dwarves and depressed gnomes! Alliance
>> females really came out of this one badly, only the draenei actually
>> looks nice imo, and even she doesn't look the same as before.
>haha depressed gnomes. I did notice that they don't smile. Perhaps cause 
>they are so small

When the model first came out they smiled too much, it was incredibly
creepy, these huge eyes and massive fixed smile, seriously scary
looking. So Blizz being Blizz, instead of toning it down to a neutral
expression, they went to the other extreme and made them all miserable
or angry. Sigh.

>> It's really disappointing to me that the models I think look great are
>> really a minority: dwarf male/draenei female is all that worked on
>> alliance for me, while on Horde troll m/f, UD male, orc female all
>> look good, tauren male is pretty cool too, though not too similar to
>> the old model. If I played mainly alliance I'd be turning the new
>> models off, as it is I think most of my alliance alts will be
>> gathering dust for a while.
>>
>its just that my guild on alliance is more active.

I'm rather glad I shifted my bias to Horde some time back, when I had
more friends active over thee (both sides are equally dead now), up
until yesterday, I always felt Alliance had the better looking races,
and the whole feel of the faction suited me better... now I'm kinda
glad I'm on horde, I've only got one horde alt that I seriously
dislike his looks and as an orc deathknight, I can just find some
suitably menacing helm to hide his face, anyway! I've only got two
alliance alts left that I even like... :-/

On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 15:29:47 +0200, "Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum>
wrote:

>Den 15-10-2014 20:19, Catriona R skrev:
>>
>> Curious what others think of them! I've gone over my main server
>> characters, two accounts so 22 total. Six weren't affected, leaving
>> 16, and the hitrate isn't good, considering Blizzard repeatedly said
>> they're supposed to feel like "our characters but better"
>> (paraphrasing).
>
>I really dont care.  Well.  I see my chars very close on the char 
>selection screen.  But in the game I'm always zoomed out at max range so 
>my own char (which I always see from behind!) and other chars are just 
>grouped pixels.  Better or worse models dont affect my gameplay or 
>experience.

You're lucky then! I zoom out while playing, sure, but I like to make
my charcters look good, transmog, and my own choice of face, hair etc,
I always pick a race/class/gender/face/hair combo that I like as a
unit. Only, a lot of my characters no longer look like my characters.

>Honestly.  I dont see any reason for the new models.  Its like Blizzard 
>says "hey!  We can make a detailed moustache because we can!!!".  you 
>cant see all the details anyway unless you play the game from a 
>first-person point.  But I'm sure there are loads of peeps around who 
>needs to upgrade their video card just because the moustache has become 
>more detailed and therefore demand more powah due to the new gfx engine.

Well, it's done because when you look at a pandaren, and then look at
the worst of the old models (tauren and human male come to mind), the
difference is enormous, and a lot of us wanted our older races to look
as good as the pandaren. Just a shame a lot of them don't; a key part
of the process was supposed to be keeping the look and feel of our old
characters, and they just plain failed at that in a lot of cases.

>When that is said; my gnome lock's new face looks pretty dumb.  I 
>wouldnt allow my gnome in any raid because he looks like a dizzy 
>neanderthal on a heroine trip. :)

Haha :-) 

On 16/10/2014 11:59 PM, Peter T. wrote:
> Den 15-10-2014 20:19, Catriona R skrev:
>>
>> Curious what others think of them! I've gone over my main server
>> characters, two accounts so 22 total. Six weren't affected, leaving
>> 16, and the hitrate isn't good, considering Blizzard repeatedly said
>> they're supposed to feel like "our characters but better"
>> (paraphrasing).
>
> I really dont care.  Well.  I see my chars very close on the char
> selection screen.  But in the game I'm always zoomed out at max range so
> my own char (which I always see from behind!) and other chars are just
> grouped pixels.  Better or worse models dont affect my gameplay or
> experience.
> Honestly.  I dont see any reason for the new models.  Its like Blizzard
> says "hey!  We can make a detailed moustache because we can!!!".  you
> cant see all the details anyway unless you play the game from a
> first-person point.  But I'm sure there are loads of peeps around who
> needs to upgrade their video card just because the moustache has become
> more detailed and therefore demand more powah due to the new gfx engine.

Games seem to do that to improve and enhance and update.
double density, more rendering depth, 8 times the load because it is 
hardware , mostly not their cost and happening year on year.

  But little extra in game play crafting

Something else is wrong.
I am running much the same fps, cpu is at about 35 percent on one core, 
less on the others. Yet it seems like wandering around in an old style 
flicker film. or on drunk potion.
  It is not animating smoothly but jumping.

Those 4? columns in timeless you jump to get to a chest.
Just last week I did them, pretty easy, maybe a miss but often straight 
through.
Now I tried about 10 times, never once able to get past the third.
Usually not even getting the first. I ride, I jump and it just does not 
jump in time. Tried going early, still nothing.
Ping is normal, cpu is normal.
It is like there is a half second gate on actions, do something and it 
may delay half or 1/4 or be instant, depending how close the gate was.
Simple delay I am used to, this is random within limits.

Den 16-10-2014 16:36, Catriona R skrev:

> You're lucky then! I zoom out while playing, sure, but I like to make
> my charcters look good, transmog, and my own choice of face, hair etc,
> I always pick a race/class/gender/face/hair combo that I like as a
> unit. Only, a lot of my characters no longer look like my characters.

Me too.  I've started mogging 2-3 months ago.  But I cant care about 
details you cant see unless youre really really really close to another 
player's big nose.  Just go 3-4 steps away and its all are covered by a 
few pixels.  Even on a high-resolution monitor.

>
>> Honestly.  I dont see any reason for the new models.  Its like Blizzard
>> says "hey!  We can make a detailed moustache because we can!!!".  you
>> cant see all the details anyway unless you play the game from a
>> first-person point.  But I'm sure there are loads of peeps around who
>> needs to upgrade their video card just because the moustache has become
>> more detailed and therefore demand more powah due to the new gfx engine.
>
> Well, it's done because when you look at a pandaren, and then look at
> the worst of the old models (tauren and human male come to mind), the
> difference is enormous, and a lot of us wanted our older races to look
> as good as the pandaren. Just a shame a lot of them don't; a key part
> of the process was supposed to be keeping the look and feel of our old
> characters, and they just plain failed at that in a lot of cases.

I prefer the cartoon style.  Wild Star has it.  But like everything else 
in the game also the models goes more real, dull and boring. :)
There is a reason why I still farm vanilla raid mogs.

-- 
Peter T.

<https://www.elitedangerous.com/>

Den 16-10-2014 18:24, | || ||| ||||| || | skrev:

> It is like there is a half second gate on actions, do something and it
> may delay half or 1/4 or be instant, depending how close the gate was.
> Simple delay I am used to, this is random within limits.

When second wing with the Elegon boss in MSV went live many computers 
went down to 2-5 fps due to the heavy gfx usage in that fight.  Luckily 
Blizzard went one step backwards and stopped using that glass-effect in 
other bossfights.  But it WAS a pretty bossfight!  No doubt about that. 
  The WAUW!!-factor was pretty high there. :)

-- 
Peter T.

<https://www.elitedangerous.com/>

On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 18:25:24 +0200, "Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum>
wrote:

>Den 16-10-2014 16:36, Catriona R skrev:
>
>> You're lucky then! I zoom out while playing, sure, but I like to make
>> my charcters look good, transmog, and my own choice of face, hair etc,
>> I always pick a race/class/gender/face/hair combo that I like as a
>> unit. Only, a lot of my characters no longer look like my characters.
>
>Me too.  I've started mogging 2-3 months ago.  But I cant care about 
>details you cant see unless youre really really really close to another 
>player's big nose.  Just go 3-4 steps away and its all are covered by a 
>few pixels.  Even on a high-resolution monitor.

I guess you don't run a standard UI then, because I see my face in the
portrait all the time :-P Plus I *like* to zoom in and look at my
character when I'm not doing anything much, waiting for a rare,
sitting on a flightpath, etc :-)

I've fixed my orc DK now, transmogged a fullface helm on him, luckily
orcs and deathknights look suit that kind of helm. Normally I never
show helm, or only show ones which barely cover the face, hate having
my character's face covered, but right now... it's a more attractive
option lol. I'm just waiting to see if Blizz plan to do anything more
with these models, frankly I don't really want to give them my money
right now, after such a poor display, but equally I've got 5
characters I really want to change. 

On 17/10/2014 3:08 AM, Peter T. wrote:
> Den 16-10-2014 18:24, | || ||| ||||| || | skrev:
>
>> It is like there is a half second gate on actions, do something and it
>> may delay half or 1/4 or be instant, depending how close the gate was.
>> Simple delay I am used to, this is random within limits.
>
> When second wing with the Elegon boss in MSV went live many computers
> went down to 2-5 fps due to the heavy gfx usage in that fight.  Luckily
> Blizzard went one step backwards and stopped using that glass-effect in
> other bossfights.  But it WAS a pretty bossfight!  No doubt about that.
>   The WAUW!!-factor was pretty high there. :)
>
The stuttering has been adjusted to what for now is a tolerable level.
The graphics were changed with the patch.
Various adjustments for buffering, frame rates, input lag, ping 
optimisation, resolution , most of which affect others.
Even though the ctrl-r rate would hardly change the effects could be 
very great.
It was running in HD 1920x1080 50-80fps depending on what was ultra and 
what details I was happy to do without. Now it is in 1280x?? 30fps.
I don't actually need high res, mostly I am looking at large icons and 
text anyway but it used to comfortably handle it so I left it at 
whatever options I had worked out.
  I know I don't have the latest top level graphics, I only have end of 
2013, but it was quite peachy for my needs last week. I can't see any 
justification to pay $1000 a year for new cards and another $200 a year 
in power to keep up with a $180 a year game.
  I do run multiple monitors and often have streams, remote log screens, 
tv etc running while wow is on. That may have given it the wobblies, but 
it WAS fine last week and I am not going to run wow standalone.

   A bit happier. But much faffing about just for a hairy moustache 
graphic that isn't being rendered now anyway.

Ok, what I really don't get: my human male rogue's stealth animation
looks much like it always did, they got that right. So why on earth
does his run look so absolutely awful? They're clearly capable of
making animations look much the same, as stealth is fine! 

Most races now have runs which just look wrong, all bouncy or just
plain weird, it's so bad that I misidentify some races when I just see
a shape running along in the distance because it looks so far off what
I expect; I thought a male tauren was a draenei the other day... :-/

Funny how robes disguise the feel of a run, too, my UD priest seems
much the same, I only realised it's not when I got halloween costumes
with no robe lol, skeleton costume uses old animation, pirate uses
new... ok, they're different hehe. Doesn't look too bad, which is
probably why I didn't notice, but it is different!