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On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 8:22:53 AM UTC-5, Peter T. wrote:
> Surprisingly many peeps dont know this old trick... :)
> 
> I placed my warlock on timeless isle last night before the server 
> shutdown.  This morning I still had the VP buff on my lock so I started 
> out with doing the daily and weekly quest on timeless.  

Let me get this straight; Monday night, before reset, you log out. On logging
back in, after the maintenance shutdown, you still have the buff until 
server(?) noon?

I remember getting this once; I was surprised. Sadly, 'before 12 (server?) on
Tuesdays I don't usually have any playtime.

So you do the two quests on TI, then taxi to the mainland Pandaria and 
do dailies?

pt

Den 11-12-2013 19:52, pete...@gmail.com skrev:
> On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 8:22:53 AM UTC-5, Peter T. wrote:
>> Surprisingly many peeps dont know this old trick... :)
>>
>> I placed my warlock on timeless isle last night before the server
>> shutdown.  This morning I still had the VP buff on my lock so I started
>> out with doing the daily and weekly quest on timeless.
>
> Let me get this straight; Monday night, before reset, you log out. On logging
> back in, after the maintenance shutdown, you still have the buff until
> server(?) noon?

It sounds like youre playing on a US realm, no?  Im in europe where the 
realms resets between tues and wed.

And answer to your question: yes

> I remember getting this once; I was surprised. Sadly, 'before 12 (server?) on
> Tuesdays I don't usually have any playtime.
>
> So you do the two quests on TI, then taxi to the mainland Pandaria and
> do dailies?

Exactly.

-- 
Peter T.

<https://elite.frontier.co.uk/>

Den 11-12-2013 14:22, Peter T. skrev:

> Picking up the 50 epoch stones on timeless took me almost 1 hour despite
> I pulled 2-4 elites at a time (void walkers ftw!).  The other dailies
> including flying on the main island took me 45-50 mins.  Its sounds
> nearly impossible, but actually its doable if you plan ahead a little bit.

> 3 hours of intensive playtime including 4 cups of coffee and 5 cigs.
> Funfun.  Now I can relax on my other chars. :)

VP capped.  I logged my warlock 7.15am.  The daily and weekly on 
timeless isle took me silly 30 mins as it was early in the morning == 
zero competition on elites.  But the dailies on the panda mainland was 
done in 1h20m despite I optimized my route a bit.  I may have misread 
the clock last week as I said I only spent 45 mins on those incl. flying.
Anyhoo.  660 VPs after 2 hours just by doing dailies and a single 
weekly.  I went to Thunder Isle (its pretty empty now) and farmed rares. 
  Despite I had lost the vp buff due to the zone change I killed all 11 
rares there and got 165 VPs.  They drop 15 VPs each.
2 heroics (85+40 VPs) and a noob scenario (50 VPs) later and I was 
capped.  I didnt bother with spending time for picking up af group for a 
hc scen as queued heroics are instant every wednesday morning.  4 hours 
+ breaks, listening to girlfriend, making more coffee etc. :)

Time to relax the next 6 days.

-- 
Peter T.

<https://elite.frontier.co.uk/>

On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 6:35:53 AM UTC-5, Peter T. wrote:
> Den 11-12-2013 14:22, Peter T. skrev:
 
>> Picking up the 50 epoch stones on timeless took me almost 1 hour despite
>> I pulled 2-4 elites at a time (void walkers ftw!).  The other dailies
>> including flying on the main island took me 45-50 mins.  Its sounds
>> nearly impossible, but actually its doable if you plan ahead a little bit.
 
>> 3 hours of intensive playtime including 4 cups of coffee and 5 cigs.
>> Funfun.  Now I can relax on my other chars. :)
 
> VP capped.  I logged my warlock 7.15am.  The daily and weekly on
> timeless isle took me silly 30 mins as it was early in the morning ==
> zero competition on elites.  But the dailies on the panda mainland was
> done in 1h20m despite I optimized my route a bit.  I may have misread
> the clock last week as I said I only spent 45 mins on those incl. flying.
> Anyhoo.  660 VPs after 2 hours just by doing dailies and a single
> weekly.  I went to Thunder Isle (its pretty empty now) and farmed rares.
>   Despite I had lost the vp buff due to the zone change I killed all 11
> rares there and got 165 VPs.  They drop 15 VPs each.
> 2 heroics (85+40 VPs) and a noob scenario (50 VPs) later and I was
> capped.  I didnt bother with spending time for picking up af group for a
> hc scen as queued heroics are instant every wednesday morning.  4 hours
> + breaks, listening to girlfriend, making more coffee etc. :)
 
> Time to relax the next 6 days.

I just tried this - capped VP, had the buff, logged out beside Emperor Shaohao.
Just logged in - no buff. Turned in (pre run) Path of the Mistwalker - 50 VP.

Did I do something wrong, or have they patched this exploit?

pt

Den 24-12-2013 16:02, pete...@gmail.com skrev:

> I just tried this - capped VP, had the buff, logged out beside Emperor Shaohao.
> Just logged in - no buff. Turned in (pre run) Path of the Mistwalker - 50 VP.
>
> Did I do something wrong, or have they patched this exploit?

I doubt its patched (I think I noticed very small hotpatch last friday 
afternoon though).  When did you log in?  You have to be sure your 
logged in before 12am.  And maybe its even earlier before the buff 
disappears.  Anyway.  Its not 100% reliable, but in most cases it works 
fine.

-- 
Peter T.

<https://elite.frontier.co.uk/>

On Tuesday, December 24, 2013 6:33:12 PM UTC-5, Peter T. wrote:
> Den 24-12-2013 16:02, pete...@gmail.com skrev:
 
>> I just tried this - capped VP, had the buff, logged out beside Emperor Shaohao.
>> Just logged in - no buff. Turned in (pre run) Path of the Mistwalker - 50 VP.
 
>> Did I do something wrong, or have they patched this exploit?
 
> I doubt its patched (I think I noticed very small hotpatch last friday
> afternoon though).  When did you log in?  You have to be sure your
> logged in before 12am.  And maybe its even earlier before the buff
> disappears.  Anyway.  Its not 100% reliable, but in most cases it works
> fine.

I play on Misha-US. This is a West Coast server, so its clock
runs 3 hours behind mine (I'm on the East Coast). I logged out 
about 11 PM local time Monday night (8 PM server time). This 
morning I logged at about 10 AM local, 7 AM server, and didn't
have the buff.

pt

Den 25-12-2013 05:47, pete...@gmail.com skrev:

> about 11 PM local time Monday night (8 PM server time). This
> morning I logged at about 10 AM local, 7 AM server, and didn't
> have the buff.

And you didnt log any other chars before you logged your main on 
timeless isle this morning?

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Peter T.

<https://elite.frontier.co.uk/>

On Wednesday, December 25, 2013 4:09:54 AM UTC-5, Peter T. wrote:
> Den 25-12-2013 05:47, pete...@gmail.com skrev:
 
>> about 11 PM local time Monday night (8 PM server time). This
>> morning I logged at about 10 AM local, 7 AM server, and didn't
>> have the buff.
 
> And you didnt log any other chars before you logged your main on
> timeless isle this morning?

No, I did not.

pt

Den 25-12-2013 20:04, pete...@gmail.com skrev:
> On Wednesday, December 25, 2013 4:09:54 AM UTC-5, Peter T. wrote:
>> Den 25-12-2013 05:47, pete...@gmail.com skrev:
>
>>> about 11 PM local time Monday night (8 PM server time). This
>>> morning I logged at about 10 AM local, 7 AM server, and didn't
>>> have the buff.
>
>> And you didnt log any other chars before you logged your main on
>> timeless isle this morning?
>
> No, I did not.

Well.  2 guildies and I used the trick this morning.  So its not fixed 
(yet). :)

-- 
Peter T.

<https://elite.frontier.co.uk/>

Den 25-12-2013 21:04, Peter T. skrev:
> Den 25-12-2013 20:04, pete...@gmail.com skrev:
>> On Wednesday, December 25, 2013 4:09:54 AM UTC-5, Peter T. wrote:
>>> Den 25-12-2013 05:47, pete...@gmail.com skrev:
>>
>>>> about 11 PM local time Monday night (8 PM server time). This
>>>> morning I logged at about 10 AM local, 7 AM server, and didn't
>>>> have the buff.
>>
>>> And you didnt log any other chars before you logged your main on
>>> timeless isle this morning?
>>
>> No, I did not.
>
> Well.  2 guildies and I used the trick this morning.  So its not fixed
> (yet). :)

This morning I didnt have the vp buff.  But I also placed my warlock 
just above the spot where Rattleskew spawns (I have him on farm).  So 
maybe I also have to park my char in an inn or other sanctuary in order 
to keep the vp buff after reset.
Well.  Its a shot.  Because one of my guildies is farming vps with his 
vp buff while I'm typing this.  He placed his main in the tent on 
timeless isle last night which I also normally do. :)

-- 
Peter T.

<https://elite.frontier.co.uk/>

On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 3:26:06 AM UTC-5, Peter T. wrote:
> Den 25-12-2013 21:04, Peter T. skrev:
>> Den 25-12-2013 20:04, pete...@gmail.com skrev:
>>> On Wednesday, December 25, 2013 4:09:54 AM UTC-5, Peter T. wrote:
>>>> Den 25-12-2013 05:47, pete...@gmail.com skrev:
>>>
>>>>> about 11 PM local time Monday night (8 PM server time). This
>>>>> morning I logged at about 10 AM local, 7 AM server, and didn't
>>>>> have the buff.
>>>
>>>> And you didnt log any other chars before you logged your main on
>>>> timeless isle this morning?
>>>
>>> No, I did not.
>>
>> Well.  2 guildies and I used the trick this morning.  So its not fixed
>> (yet). :)
> 
> This morning I didnt have the vp buff.  But I also placed my warlock 
> just above the spot where Rattleskew spawns (I have him on farm).  So 
> maybe I also have to park my char in an inn or other sanctuary in order 
> to keep the vp buff after reset.
> Well.  Its a shot.  Because one of my guildies is farming vps with his 
> vp buff while I'm typing this.  He placed his main in the tent on 
> timeless isle last night which I also normally do. :)

My work schedule doesn't really let me test this most of the time. So,
we think the schedule is.

1. Obtain VP buff.
2. Evening before reset, logout in an inn.
3. Log back in after reset, but before realm time noon.
4. Don't do anything that generates a loading screen - no portals, deaths,
scenarios, dungeons, raids, or hearths.
5. Profit

pt

Den 08-01-2014 09:26, Peter T. skrev:

> This morning I didnt have the vp buff.  But I also placed my warlock
> just above the spot where Rattleskew spawns (I have him on farm).  So
> maybe I also have to park my char in an inn or other sanctuary in order
> to keep the vp buff after reset.
> Well.  Its a shot.  Because one of my guildies is farming vps with his
> vp buff while I'm typing this.  He placed his main in the tent on

I almost forgot the weekly update here.

Yesterday morning I had the vp buff again.  Woohoo!

I normally always farm VPs until cap on my lock due to my void tank and 
nice aoe spells.  But since I had 2300 VPs on him (no new gear recently) 
I decided to use my mage for it.  He was low on VPs anyway.

Tuesday night I realized my mage was capped even before I handed in the 
weekly timeless quest (300 VPs).  So I decided NOT to hand in the weekly 
quest and then do lots of dailies without handing them in until my quest 
log was filled up.  That would give me a nice boost wednesday morning. 
So 30 minutes of flying around and handing in dailies wednesday morning 
gave me easy 510 VPs.  That was fast. :)
But there was a neat surprise too.  Tuesday night I did the dailies at 
the shado-pan garrison and lion's landing.  When I returned wednesday 
morning I got new dailies with different quests at those factions 
despite I hadnt handed in the dailies from the night before.  So 
normally I would make 37-38 VPs at Lion's landing.  But yesterday I made 
75 VPs.

Wednesday morning's result; ~730 VPs with buff in 45 mins.

3 heroics, a few rares on Thunder and one of the three daily fishing 
quests for Nat Pagle later and I was capped again.  2h50m.  I guess I 
could have hit the vp cap in around 2 hours this time.  But i decided 
not to bother with a hc scen this morning as I had bread in the owen and 
also I had to do some laundry. :)

-- 
Peter T.

<https://elite.frontier.co.uk/>

On Thursday, January 16, 2014 4:04:30 AM UTC-5, Peter T. wrote:
> Den 08-01-2014 09:26, Peter T. skrev:
> 
>> This morning I didnt have the vp buff.  But I also placed my warlock
>> just above the spot where Rattleskew spawns (I have him on farm).  So
>> maybe I also have to park my char in an inn or other sanctuary in order
>> to keep the vp buff after reset.
>> Well.  Its a shot.  Because one of my guildies is farming vps with his
>> vp buff while I'm typing this.  He placed his main in the tent on
> 
> I almost forgot the weekly update here.
> 
> Yesterday morning I had the vp buff again.  Woohoo!
> 
> I normally always farm VPs until cap on my lock due to my void tank and 
> nice aoe spells.  But since I had 2300 VPs on him (no new gear recently) 
> I decided to use my mage for it.  He was low on VPs anyway.
> 
> Tuesday night I realized my mage was capped even before I handed in the 
> weekly timeless quest (300 VPs).  So I decided NOT to hand in the weekly 
> quest and then do lots of dailies without handing them in until my quest 
> log was filled up.  That would give me a nice boost wednesday morning. 
> So 30 minutes of flying around and handing in dailies wednesday morning 
> gave me easy 510 VPs.  That was fast. :)
> But there was a neat surprise too.  Tuesday night I did the dailies at 
> the shado-pan garrison and lion's landing.  When I returned wednesday 
> morning I got new dailies with different quests at those factions 
> despite I hadnt handed in the dailies from the night before.  So 
> normally I would make 37-38 VPs at Lion's landing.  But yesterday I made 
> 75 VPs.
> 
> Wednesday morning's result; ~730 VPs with buff in 45 mins.
> 
> 3 heroics, a few rares on Thunder and one of the three daily fishing 
> quests for Nat Pagle later and I was capped again.  2h50m.  I guess I 
> could have hit the vp cap in around 2 hours this time.  But i decided 
> not to bother with a hc scen this morning as I had bread in the owen and 
> also I had to do some laundry. :)

My problem is the Justice points - I easily cap VPs each week, and use them,
but I've run out of stuff to spend JPs on.

There's no useful gear I can buy with it. 

Converting it to HP doesn't help. I have a two full PvP JP sets, even
though I don't PvP (well, hardly ever).

I have *all* the Heirloom gear; I bought it a long time ago (WotLK? Cata?),
and it hasn't been upgraded. 

The other 'legacy' items I can buy are now low level mats, not worth bothering
with.

At the moment, I'm capped on JP, capped on HP, and just destroying any new
JP I get.

pt

pt

On Thu, 16 Jan 2014 06:42:43 -0800 (PST), pete...@gmail.com wrote:

>My problem is the Justice points - I easily cap VPs each week, and use them,
>but I've run out of stuff to spend JPs on.
>
>There's no useful gear I can buy with it. 
>
>Converting it to HP doesn't help. I have a two full PvP JP sets, even
>though I don't PvP (well, hardly ever).
>
>I have *all* the Heirloom gear; I bought it a long time ago (WotLK? Cata?),
>and it hasn't been upgraded. 

Have you bought the upgrades to the old heirlooms? Pretty sure you can
convert them to higher lvl ones with justice points now, unless I've
got totally muddled.

>The other 'legacy' items I can buy are now low level mats, not worth bothering
>with.
>
>At the moment, I'm capped on JP, capped on HP, and just destroying any new
>JP I get.

Maybe worth a look at the models of some of the old JP gear for
potential transmog pieces, some of the Sunwell era gear is really nice
(my warlock bought a staff for transmog, looks fantastic with lock
tier 1), and the Wrath cloaks are pretty good as well, bought a few of
those on various alts.

Den 16-01-2014 15:42, pete...@gmail.com skrev:

> At the moment, I'm capped on JP, capped on HP, and just destroying any new
> JP I get.

<http://www.wowhead.com/currency=395/justice-points#comments>

:)

I have been JP capped on 5 toons for several months now.  Dunno what to 
do with them.  Maybe I should buy some pvp gear...

-- 
Peter T.

<https://elite.frontier.co.uk/>

On Thursday, January 16, 2014 10:00:43 AM UTC-5, Catriona R wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Jan 2014 06:42:43 -0800 (PST), pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
>>My problem is the Justice points - I easily cap VPs each week, and use them,
>>but I've run out of stuff to spend JPs on.
>>
>>There's no useful gear I can buy with it. 
>>
>>Converting it to HP doesn't help. I have a two full PvP JP sets, even
>>though I don't PvP (well, hardly ever).
>>
>>I have *all* the Heirloom gear; I bought it a long time ago (WotLK? Cata?),
>>and it hasn't been upgraded. 
> 
> Have you bought the upgrades to the old heirlooms? Pretty sure you can
> convert them to higher lvl ones with justice points now, unless I've
> got totally muddled.

If that's available, I'll certainly do it. 

>>The other 'legacy' items I can buy are now low level mats, not worth bothering
>>with.
>>
>>At the moment, I'm capped on JP, capped on HP, and just destroying any new
>>JP I get.
> 
> Maybe worth a look at the models of some of the old JP gear for
> potential transmog pieces, some of the Sunwell era gear is really nice
> (my warlock bought a staff for transmog, looks fantastic with lock
> tier 1), and the Wrath cloaks are pretty good as well, bought a few of
> those on various alts.

I don't do transmog. While I've seen some beautiful sets, it just isn't me.

pt

On Thursday, January 16, 2014 1:13:41 PM UTC-5, pet...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, January 16, 2014 10:00:43 AM UTC-5, Catriona R wrote:
>> On Thu, 16 Jan 2014 06:42:43 -0800 (PST), pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>>>My problem is the Justice points - I easily cap VPs each week, and use them,
>>>but I've run out of stuff to spend JPs on.
>>>
>>>There's no useful gear I can buy with it. 
>>>
>>>Converting it to HP doesn't help. I have a two full PvP JP sets, even
>>>though I don't PvP (well, hardly ever).
>>>
>>>I have *all* the Heirloom gear; I bought it a long time ago (WotLK? Cata?),
>>>and it hasn't been upgraded. 
>> 
>> Have you bought the upgrades to the old heirlooms? Pretty sure you can
>> convert them to higher lvl ones with justice points now, unless I've
>> got totally muddled.
> 
> If that's available, I'll certainly do it. 

I'll have to research where the 'higher lvl ones' are sold - the only vendor
I'm aware of is in SW, near the VP vendor there.

Followup question: Does this make them soulbound, rather than account-bound?

pt

Just another datapoint.

I just logged in (server time 6:23 PM, and found I had the buff
Sadly, I was in Stormwind, so couldn't take advantage of it; zoning
through to Pandaria removed it.

pt

On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 9:24:58 PM UTC-5, pet...@gmail.com wrote:
> Just another datapoint.
 
> I just logged in (server time 6:23 PM, and found I had the buff
> Sadly, I was in Stormwind, so couldn't take advantage of it; zoning
> through to Pandaria removed it.
 
I wasn't working today, so I decided to experiment with the glitch. I logged 
out last night in the inn on Timeless Isle. This morning, I went through the 
daily and the weekly there (375 VP), then moved to the Pandarian mainland and 
did as many dailies as possible. I wound up doing 40, which seemed to cover 
pretty much every one available which granted VP, winding up with 675 VP
gained with the buff. At that point I lost the buff porting to Isle of Thunder (saved till last).

Two points I noticed:
1. Death did not remove the buff.
2. The loading screen for the daily where you roll along the wall didn't either.

pt

Den 29-01-2014 02:10, pete...@gmail.com skrev:

> Two points I noticed:
> 1. Death did not remove the buff.
> 2. The loading screen for the daily where you roll along the wall didn't either.

Good!  I just did Dark Skies (one of the flying quests in dread wastes) 
and I still have the buff.
Btw.  I have started doing the dailies the night before.  So last night 
I did shado-pan garrison and operation: shieldwall + many others.  I 
handed in the completed quests this morning and got new dailies from 
those two factions.  So completing those faction quests two times today 
== double up on VPs.
It seems its not possible to complete the daily temple quests two times.

758 VPs from vp buff just on dailies.  New record. :)

-- 
Peter T.

<https://elite.frontier.co.uk/>

On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 4:21:53 AM UTC-5, Peter T. wrote:
> Den 29-01-2014 02:10, pete...@gmail.com skrev:
 
>> Two points I noticed:
>> 1. Death did not remove the buff.
>> 2. The loading screen for the daily where you roll along the wall didn't either.
 
> Good!  I just did Dark Skies (one of the flying quests in dread wastes)
> and I still have the buff.
> Btw.  I have started doing the dailies the night before.  So last night
> I did shado-pan garrison and operation: shieldwall + many others.  I
> handed in the completed quests this morning and got new dailies from
> those two factions.  So completing those faction quests two times today
> == double up on VPs.
> It seems its not possible to complete the daily temple quests two times.
 
> 758 VPs from vp buff just on dailies.  New record. :)

So let me get this straight - you can double up dailies, but only those where
you get different ones different days. Is that correct? Thinking about it, 
I think *all* the dailies are like that.

pt

Den 30-01-2014 16:49, pete...@gmail.com skrev:
> On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 4:21:53 AM UTC-5, Peter T. wrote:
>> Den 29-01-2014 02:10, pete...@gmail.com skrev:
>
>>> Two points I noticed:
>>> 1. Death did not remove the buff.
>>> 2. The loading screen for the daily where you roll along the wall didn't either.
>
>> Good!  I just did Dark Skies (one of the flying quests in dread wastes)
>> and I still have the buff.
>> Btw.  I have started doing the dailies the night before.  So last night
>> I did shado-pan garrison and operation: shieldwall + many others.  I
>> handed in the completed quests this morning and got new dailies from
>> those two factions.  So completing those faction quests two times today
>> == double up on VPs.
>> It seems its not possible to complete the daily temple quests two times.
>
>> 758 VPs from vp buff just on dailies.  New record. :)
>
> So let me get this straight - you can double up dailies, but only those where
> you get different ones different days. Is that correct? Thinking about it,
> I think *all* the dailies are like that.

Yes.

-- 
Peter T.

<https://elite.frontier.co.uk/>

On Thursday, January 30, 2014 4:25:18 PM UTC-5, Peter T. wrote:
> Den 30-01-2014 16:49, pete...@gmail.com skrev:


>> So let me get this straight - you can double up dailies, but only those where
>> you get different ones different days. Is that correct? Thinking about it,
>> I think *all* the dailies are like that.
 
> Yes.

I guess I'll have to try to load up my quest log with completed dailies the night before reset - doing it early runs the risk that you'd get the same set
after reset, and couldn't turn it in that week (can you get the same set of
(for example) Tiller dailies two days in a row?).

Lets see - 25 slots in quest log - 187.5 VP. 375 from Timeless weekly and 
daily. 41 normal dailies, 307.5 VP. That's a total of 870 VP with the buff, 
which I think is about the maximum possible.

In practice, my quest log is not empty, so I can't quite hit that.

pt

Den 31-01-2014 04:48, pete...@gmail.com skrev:

> I guess I'll have to try to load up my quest log with completed
> dailies the night before reset - doing it early runs the risk that
> you'd get the same set after reset, and couldn't turn it in that week
> (can you get the same set of (for example) Tiller dailies two days in
> a row?).

I got the same shadopan dailies tuesday night and wednesday morning. 
When I handed in the completed dailies from the night before a new blue 
exclamation mark popped on the main questgiver and I got the same 
dailies again.  I think this also can happen with operation: shieldwall. 
  At least I'm able to hand in shieldwall dailies 2 times wednesday morning.

But if I have 4 completed dailies with august celestials from the night 
before and I pick up the new daily quest at the shrine the old dailies 
from the night before gets overwritten/deleted.  So august celestials 
cant be done two times like those above.

Its practially the same issue with klaxxi, tiller and order of the cloud 
serpent.  Once you hand in their faction dailies from the night before 
you wont get new dailies.
Im unsure about the dailies at the anglers.

Golden lotus is a little odd.  I got the daily where I had to kill Milau 
tuesday night.  When I handed in that daily wednesday morning I got a 
new daily quest inside the ruins (the daily where you have to deactivate 
a wall and pick up an artifact from the final room).  I think its 
because the daily ruin quest is the only daily quest which is random at 
this faction.

> Lets see - 25 slots in quest log - 187.5 VP. 375 from Timeless weekly
> and daily. 41 normal dailies, 307.5 VP. That's a total of 870 VP with
> the buff, which I think is about the maximum possible.
>
> In practice, my quest log is not empty, so I can't quite hit that.

Same here.  But if I have quests in the quest log I can reacquire I just 
abandon those and pick them up later.

-- 
Peter T.

<https://elite.frontier.co.uk/>

On Friday, January 31, 2014 3:45:29 AM UTC-5, Peter T. wrote:
> Den 31-01-2014 04:48, pete...@gmail.com skrev:
 
>> I guess I'll have to try to load up my quest log with completed
>> dailies the night before reset - doing it early runs the risk that
>> you'd get the same set after reset, and couldn't turn it in that week
>> (can you get the same set of (for example) Tiller dailies two days in
>> a row?).
 
> I got the same shadopan dailies tuesday night and wednesday morning.
> When I handed in the completed dailies from the night before a new blue
> exclamation mark popped on the main questgiver and I got the same
> dailies again.  I think this also can happen with operation: shieldwall.
>   At least I'm able to hand in shieldwall dailies 2 times wednesday morning.
 
> But if I have 4 completed dailies with august celestials from the night
> before and I pick up the new daily quest at the shrine the old dailies
> from the night before gets overwritten/deleted.  So august celestials
> cant be done two times like those above.
 
> Its practially the same issue with klaxxi, tiller and order of the cloud
> serpent.  Once you hand in their faction dailies from the night before
> you wont get new dailies.
> Im unsure about the dailies at the anglers.
 
> Golden lotus is a little odd.  I got the daily where I had to kill Milau
> tuesday night.  When I handed in that daily wednesday morning I got a
> new daily quest inside the ruins (the daily where you have to deactivate
> a wall and pick up an artifact from the final room).  I think its
> because the daily ruin quest is the only daily quest which is random at
> this faction.

OK, we should try to characterize this.
Pandaria Daily quest groups:

Klaxxi
Golden Lotus
Tillers
Anglers
Shieldwall
Shadopan
Cloud Serpent
Lorewalkers (just 1)

You say you've doubled with Shieldwall and Shadopan. We should try others.

Shadopan is an odd case - you normally hand in your quests to your companion,
and after the first 4 are handed in, get one extra in the same area.

Yesterday I did 4 SP dailies, and dismissed my companion. Today, I handed in
those 4, and got the 5th. Did that, handed it in, and the questgiver had 4 more
for me :-). I did those and got the followup, so was able to hand in 10 dailies 
today, confirming your observation.

We need to test this on the other groups.

pt

Den 31-01-2014 18:13, pete...@gmail.com skrev:

> OK, we should try to characterize this.
> Pandaria Daily quest groups:

This is my experience:

> Klaxxi

No go.

> Golden Lotus

Random ruin quest - apparently a go with this one.  Other GL dailies no 
go as they seems to be on a so-called non-rotation.

> Tillers

No go.

> Anglers

Good question.  Havent tried the trick on those.

> Shieldwall

Double up.

> Shadopan

Double up.

> Cloud Serpent

No go.

> Lorewalkers (just 1)

I havent bothered with this one. :)

> You say you've doubled with Shieldwall and Shadopan. We should try others.
>
> We need to test this on the other groups.

^^

-- 
Peter T.

<https://elite.frontier.co.uk/>

On Friday, January 31, 2014 6:59:20 PM UTC-5, Peter T. wrote:
> Den 31-01-2014 18:13, pete...@gmail.com skrev:
>> OK, we should try to characterize this.
>> Pandaria Daily quest groups:
> This is my experience:
>> Klaxxi
> No go.
>> Golden Lotus
> Random ruin quest - apparently a go with this one.  Other GL dailies no
> go as they seems to be on a so-called non-rotation.
>> Tillers
> No go.
>> Anglers
> Good question.  Havent tried the trick on those.
>> Shieldwall
> Double up.
>> Shadopan
> Double up.
>> Cloud Serpent
> No go.
>> Lorewalkers (just 1)
> I havent bothered with this one. :)
>> You say you've doubled with Shieldwall and Shadopan. We should try others.
>> We need to test this on the other groups.
>  ^^

I've been playing with this. Shieldwall and Shadopan seem to work. In other
cases, I think it's related either to (1) turning in quests to someone other
than the quest giver, or (2) There being a sequence, where you don't get the
whole group at once. 

At any rate, the next time I have to opportunity to do this, I intend to load
up SP and SW quests the night before, and as many others as possible.

TBH, even with the buff, maxing VP in one day is a lot of work, maybe more
than it's worth once you get past the two quests on Timeless Isle.

pt

Den 02-02-2014 18:17, pete...@gmail.com skrev:

> TBH, even with the buff, maxing VP in one day is a lot of work, maybe more
> than it's worth once you get past the two quests on Timeless Isle.

That is true.  But the benefit is the relaxing playstyle on alts once 
youre vp capped on one toon.  They keyword is effenciency.  And its 
possible to vp cap with intensive playtime in 3-4 hours.


-- 
Peter T.

<https://elite.frontier.co.uk/>

On Sunday, February 2, 2014 5:34:31 PM UTC-5, Peter T. wrote:
> Den 02-02-2014 18:17, pete...@gmail.com skrev:
 
>> TBH, even with the buff, maxing VP in one day is a lot of work, maybe more
>> than it's worth once you get past the two quests on Timeless Isle.
 
> That is true.  But the benefit is the relaxing playstyle on alts once
> youre vp capped on one toon.  They keyword is effenciency.  And its
> possible to vp cap with intensive playtime in 3-4 hours.

I don't really do alts. 

Today was annoying. Yesterday I loaded up 20 completed dailies, and was ready to
use the buff for all it was worth. I log on, start turning in quests, and within
2 minutes, get '[Server] Server restarting'.

I decided to ride it out in an inn, to see if I kept the buff. No dice. 

Regular MoP dailies are still not worth it to me. They're far faster and less
irritating now that my Holy Pally's off-spec gets 80-90k dps than 25k, but 
I still don't need them; Timeless isle daily + weekly, and 1 Heroic Dungeon and
1 Scenario put me over the top easily in a few days.

I found that I got 'do overs' on Shieldwall, ShadoPan, and 1 Fishing quest.

pt

Den 04-02-2014 22:18, pete...@gmail.com skrev:
> On Sunday, February 2, 2014 5:34:31 PM UTC-5, Peter T. wrote:
>> Den 02-02-2014 18:17, pete...@gmail.com skrev:
>
>>> TBH, even with the buff, maxing VP in one day is a lot of work, maybe more
>>> than it's worth once you get past the two quests on Timeless Isle.
>
>> That is true.  But the benefit is the relaxing playstyle on alts once
>> youre vp capped on one toon.  They keyword is effenciency.  And its
>> possible to vp cap with intensive playtime in 3-4 hours.
>
> I don't really do alts.
>
> Today was annoying. Yesterday I loaded up 20 completed dailies, and was ready to
> use the buff for all it was worth. I log on, start turning in quests, and within
> 2 minutes, get '[Server] Server restarting'.
>
> I decided to ride it out in an inn, to see if I kept the buff. No dice.
>
> Regular MoP dailies are still not worth it to me. They're far faster and less
> irritating now that my Holy Pally's off-spec gets 80-90k dps than 25k, but
> I still don't need them; Timeless isle daily + weekly, and 1 Heroic Dungeon and
> 1 Scenario put me over the top easily in a few days.
>
> I found that I got 'do overs' on Shieldwall, ShadoPan, and 1 Fishing quest.

Hehe.. :)

Its around 4am here in Copenhagen, Denmark, while I write this and the 
game is running in the background.  I was sure the dailies reset at 5am 
and it was my plan to go to bed in a few mins.  Until I realized last 
week's VP buff was gone and dailies reset at 3am.  Doh!
Well.  Mage (main): 2290 VPs, lock (second main): 2877 VPs, kitty druid 
(alt): 2174 and dizzy monk (alt): 1550 VPs.  Maybe I should take a break 
from this tedious VP hunting... :)
Actually Im looking forward for a week with WoW without worrying about 
VPs.  My lvl 82 twinked shammy with full heirloom set is seriously 
blazing ahead oneshotting everything on her road when I recently read 
that MoP enchants now can be used on heirlooms(!), my lvl 65 pally needs 
to be dusted of and maybe I should start leveling that rogue!

Bedtime ->>

-- 
Peter T.

<https://elite.frontier.co.uk/>

Den 05-02-2014 14:22, Lewis skrev:

 >> blazing ahead oneshotting everything on her road when I recently read
>> that MoP enchants now can be used on heirlooms(!), my lvl 65 pally needs
>> to be dusted of and maybe I should start leveling that rogue!
>
> Does that bind them?

Luckily no.  Still BoA after enchanting.  You can also use shoulder and 
leg enchants etc.. :)

-- 
Peter T.

<https://elite.frontier.co.uk/>

On Wednesday, February 5, 2014 5:50:10 PM UTC-5, Lewis wrote:
> In message <lctfhh$n8n$1...@speranza.aioe.org>
>   Peter T. <pinoc10@hotmail.cum> wrote:
>> Den 05-02-2014 14:22, Lewis skrev:
 
>>>> blazing ahead oneshotting everything on her road when I recently read
>>>> that MoP enchants now can be used on heirlooms(!), my lvl 65 pally needs
>>>> to be dusted of and maybe I should start leveling that rogue!
 
>>> Does that bind them?
 
>> Luckily no.  Still BoA after enchanting.  You can also use shoulder and
>> leg enchants etc.. :)
 
> Wished I'd know that a week or two ago. All my toons are now 85 or 86 or
> 90 (well, all the toons I play, I suppose I can outfit my mule in
> heirloom platemail.

I think the exploit may be gone. Last night I had my main gain the buff, fly
to Timeless Isle, log out in the inn, and then didn't play until this morning,
when I logged him in first.

No buff. There was not SW update this week, unlike last week (when I also did
not get the buff).

pt

Den 26-02-2014 02:43, pete...@gmail.com skrev:

> I think the exploit may be gone. Last night I had my main gain the buff, fly
> to Timeless Isle, log out in the inn, and then didn't play until this morning,
> when I logged him in first.
>
> No buff. There was not SW update this week, unlike last week (when I also did
> not get the buff).

I have the buff.

-- 
Peter T.

<https://elite.frontier.co.uk/>

On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 2:53:54 AM UTC-5, Peter T. wrote:
 
> I have the buff.

I now have two toons at 90, and both are maxxed out on VP. 

What's the correct mechanism to get the buff now? Previously, I made sure that
my main (who got the buff) was the last to logout before reset, and did so
in an inn.  It hasn't helped the last few weeks, and I wonder what I'm doing
wrong.

thanks
pt

Den 10-03-2014 19:56, pete...@gmail.com skrev:
> On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 2:53:54 AM UTC-5, Peter T. wrote:
>
>> I have the buff.
>
> I now have two toons at 90, and both are maxxed out on VP.
>
> What's the correct mechanism to get the buff now? Previously, I made sure that
> my main (who got the buff) was the last to logout before reset, and did so
> in an inn.  It hasn't helped the last few weeks, and I wonder what I'm doing
> wrong.

We (EU) have weekly reset in 12 or 14 hours from now.  So I return with 
a status once Im online again.  But I will do as usual.  Park the char 
at the inn at the celestial ground on timeless isle.

-- 
Peter T.

<https://elite.frontier.co.uk/>

On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 10:03:21 AM UTC-4, Peter T. wrote:
> Den 10-03-2014 19:56, pete...@gmail.com skrev:
>> On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 2:53:54 AM UTC-5, Peter T. wrote:
 
>>> I have the buff.
 
>> I now have two toons at 90, and both are maxxed out on VP.
 
>> What's the correct mechanism to get the buff now? Previously, I made sure that
>> my main (who got the buff) was the last to logout before reset, and did so
>> in an inn.  It hasn't helped the last few weeks, and I wonder what I'm doing
>> wrong.
 
> We (EU) have weekly reset in 12 or 14 hours from now.  So I return with
> a status once Im online again.  But I will do as usual.  Park the char
> at the inn at the celestial ground on timeless isle.

That's what I did, and this morning I had the buff. I was able to get 540
VP before a rolling reset ended my run. 

I think if there's a server restart over the reset period, I lose the
buff. If the server hasn't had a restart, as was the case today, I keep
it.

pt

Den 11-03-2014 16:34, pete...@gmail.com skrev:

>> We (EU) have weekly reset in 12 or 14 hours from now.  So I return with
>> a status once Im online again.  But I will do as usual.  Park the char
>> at the inn at the celestial ground on timeless isle.
>
> That's what I did, and this morning I had the buff. I was able to get 540
> VP before a rolling reset ended my run.
>
> I think if there's a server restart over the reset period, I lose the
> buff. If the server hasn't had a restart, as was the case today, I keep
> it.

Well.  I forgot to place my shammy (funfun ele/resto alt mainly for flex 
runs) on Timeless last night.  The char was placed in SW.  But that's 
okay.  I havent had much luck with epic drops on my two mains recently 
so they're maxed out with VPs anyway.  But I had the buff nonetheless.
My shammy is sitting on 2k/3k VPs in the legendary quest line so there 
will be no probs with getting VP capped as I need experience with shammy 
healing from heroics, LFRs and flexis.

-- 
Peter T.

<https://elite.frontier.co.uk/>

Here's a new wrinkle on the exploit.

You keep the buff on any character that's maxxed on VP and logged out 
in Timeless Isle.

I now have two 90s, Vamlock and Vamoose. The latter is my main, the
former my new 'lock.

Last week, VL got VP maxxed, and both got the buff. Last night, I
logged both of them out in the TI inn. This morning, I logged in 
on VM, and had the buff.

The interesting point here is that there's a 200 VP weekly quest on TI.
This is much easier to complete if you already have the buff, and
if you keep it and the buff over reset, is an instant 300 VP start to the 
next week. 

I'm going to be alternating which toon does the day-after-reset
grind, and get the 200 VP quest on the other one, holding it completed
until after reset. 

Both toons still max out each week, but at a lower time spent. I *do*
lose 1000 timeless coins on one each week, but that's tolerable.

pt

Den 25-03-2014 15:14, Lewis skrev:

> Timeless Isle has an Inn? Where?

Its a small hut at the mailbox at the left side of Celestial Grounds. 
You often see mounted up chars inthere. :)  There is another "Inn" at 
the FP as well.

-- 
Peter T.

<https://elite.frontier.co.uk/>

Den 25-03-2014 14:27, Cryptoengineer skrev:
> The interesting point here is that there's a 200 VP weekly quest on TI.
> This is much easier to complete if you already have the buff, and
> if you keep it and the buff over reset, is an instant 300 VP start to the
> next week.

Yes.  Plus the daily quest (75 buffed VPs).  Its a fine boost after reset.
If you have 2 well-geared guildies online you can VP cap just by farming 
hc scens in less than an hour.  150 VPs for the first run and 100 VPs 
for the next runs (incl. bonus ofc).  I usually use my lock for this as 
my void tank does an excellent aggro job with 3 high-dps'ers in the 
background.

-- 
Peter T.

<https://elite.frontier.co.uk/>

"Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum> wrote in
news:lgs5lr$ffm$1...@speranza.aioe.org: 

> Den 25-03-2014 14:27, Cryptoengineer skrev:
>> The interesting point here is that there's a 200 VP weekly quest on
>> TI. This is much easier to complete if you already have the buff, and
>> if you keep it and the buff over reset, is an instant 300 VP start to
>> the next week.
> 
> Yes.  Plus the daily quest (75 buffed VPs).  Its a fine boost after
> reset. If you have 2 well-geared guildies online you can VP cap just
> by farming hc scens in less than an hour.  150 VPs for the first run
> and 100 VPs for the next runs (incl. bonus ofc).  I usually use my
> lock for this as my void tank does an excellent aggro job with 3
> high-dps'ers in the background.
> 

Huh? I thought almost anything that involved a loading screen 
dispelled the buff during the exploit period.

Heroic scenarios do not?

pt

Den 25-03-2014 16:13, Cryptoengineer skrev:

> Huh? I thought almost anything that involved a loading screen
> dispelled the buff during the exploit period.

Youre not wrong. :)

> Heroic scenarios do not?

Hc scens is an option.  But the buff disappears once you enter a hc 
scen.  As I said earlier its a very fast method to get vp capped.  But 
it requires 2 other players.
With VP buff: daily and weekly quest on TI.  375 VPs.  625 to go.  And 
625 VPs is 6 hc scen runs - 150+100+100+100+100=650+375=1025 VPs. 
Capped.  Bingo.

But doing 6 painless hc scen runs in an hour or less requires at least 2 
well-geared peeps with high dps outputs (~150-200k) in that group.  A 
warlock with a void tank is a huge benefit.

-- 
Peter T.

<https://elite.frontier.co.uk/>

Den 25-03-2014 16:46, Peter T. skrev:

> warlock with a void tank is a huge benefit.

Void tank for the bosses ofc.  Trash is just pure cleave.

-- 
Peter T.

<https://elite.frontier.co.uk/>

"Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum> wrote in news:lgs8hd$nek$2
@speranza.aioe.org:

> Den 25-03-2014 16:46, Peter T. skrev:
> 
>> warlock with a void tank is a huge benefit.
> 
> Void tank for the bosses ofc.  Trash is just pure cleave.
> 

Having just levelled my first lock, I have to say that the Void tank
is totally OP.

pt

Den 25-03-2014 17:35, Cryptoengineer skrev:

> Having just levelled my first lock, I have to say that the Void tank
> is totally OP.

Oh yes! =)  You can kill the 5-7m hp mobs in and around the Ordon 
Sanctuary even in low-lvl blues thanks to the void. :)

-- 
Peter T.

<https://elite.frontier.co.uk/>