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In article <eadcb907-4864-47ba-8a89-24298a199fc5@b32g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, GTD <toobiep@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Well, I must say that I am rather disappointed at the game as a whole.
>The epic forums and other message board are full of people praising it
>without making any real points other than that it looks tremendous,
>and that anyone that doesn't like it just doesn't know what they are
>talking about/is an idiot/hasn't really played it. I keep seeing "It
>hasn't been out long enough for an honest review", But how long does a
>game have to be out to realize they removed much of what the previous
>games had?
>First, obviously the UI, , it's bad, , much like a console, , but
>enough about that, that seems to be a big point, and at times the only
>one addressed. Some people don't care that it takes many more steps to
>exit the game than previous versions of the game did, but
>nevertheless, it's still a huge step backwards. It's going to be a
>real pain to anyone modding: Many more steps to get out of the game
>when testing.
>Second, the entire Adrenaline system is removed. No adreanline combos,
>stock or otherwise. I just think that was a bad move, I would be left
>out due to a rushed release and/or Epic's apparent tendency to pawn
>stuff off on the modding community. What wasimplemented in it's place:
>Nothing. . .
>Third, six gametypes, , yes SIX. Deathmatch, Team Deathmatch, CTF,
>VCTF, Duel, and Warfare. No ONS or Assault, which we were led to
>believe Warfare is a suitable replacement for. (It is not a suitable
>replacement for either so far, but I'm still trying to get into it).
>No Bombing Run, No Domination or any sort, no Invasion, Last Man
>Sanding. Again, it feels like they left it all for the fans to make,
>kinda like they left AS out of ut2003.


No Invasion????? DDDDAAAAMMMMNNNNNNIIIIIITTTTT!!!!!!!!!!    I usually play 
that one all the time.




>Next are the VTMs. There are lots of them, for every aspect of map
>making, , that's right, , no coding tuts, no vehicle rigging tuts,
>nothing about weapons or anything: Just mapping.
>The last thing, is the one that ist he preverbial "straw that broke
>the camel's back": Bots are limited to 15 in a map. So for those of us
>that live in a rural enough area that we don't get good enough pings
>for online play, or just can't take the game serious enough to play
>online, We're just plainly out of luck. As I stated, it's a deal-
>breaker for me. My main reason for picking up UT3 was to mod for it: I
>mod for 2k4, and in between modding or while testing, I play a bit
>against bots, ,32, , bots. Why anyone would want to play with less is
>beyond me, and I understand: "The real games are against
>humans,  ,blah blah blah". Yea, I know that's what many think, but if
>you for whatever reason, can't play online, it makes the game rather
>worthless. It is obvious bot support is not anwhere near a priority in
>Epic's book, with the reduction in the number of bots, and what seems
>to be their sloppy, barely present AI. For most of what I have seen,
>the bots, even at higher skills, run around pretty pointlessly, not
>really doing anything until they stumble across an enemy or a point of
>interest like the flag in CTF.
>As for graphics, while the system is updated for much greater
>capabilities, what ships with the game is IMO not as great as many are
>boasting. NO, it's not my system, I have an X1950XTX video card and a
>VERY good 22" monitor, 2k4, HL3, Bioshock, as well as others look
>AWESOME on my system, UT3 looks kinda washed and drab.
>There are also some other little inconvienences, but I'm not sure if
>they are universal or not, since I see little mention of them in the
>boards: Set the mutators, number of players and such, and the next
>time you start the game up, do it all over agains, because UT3 is not
>remembering anything. Same with my keyboard mapping, but I wonder if
>everyone has this problem, because I see little mention of it.
>Add it all up, and notice some threads on Epic's message boards are
>getting locked without being answered, it looks to me like they are in
>damage control mode. I question the sources of messages that openly
>praise the game in blanket fashion, throw veiled insults at anyone
>that thinks otherwise, and the failure of anyone to adress some of the
>issues. Just my $.02

Give Patch101 a try and then re-post this review.   Maybe the patch
will fix some of the problems.

Al


On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 08:45:22 -0800 (PST), GTD <toobiep@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Well, I must say that I am rather disappointed at the game as a whole.
>The epic forums and other message board are full of people praising it
>without making any real points other than that it looks tremendous,
>and that anyone that doesn't like it just doesn't know what they are
>talking about/is an idiot/hasn't really played it. I keep seeing "It
>hasn't been out long enough for an honest review", But how long does a
>game have to be out to realize they removed much of what the previous
>games had?
>First, obviously the UI, , it's bad, , much like a console, , but
>enough about that, that seems to be a big point, and at times the only
>one addressed. Some people don't care that it takes many more steps to
>exit the game than previous versions of the game did, but
>nevertheless, it's still a huge step backwards. It's going to be a
>real pain to anyone modding: Many more steps to get out of the game
>when testing.
>Second, the entire Adrenaline system is removed. No adreanline combos,
>stock or otherwise. I just think that was a bad move, I would be left
>out due to a rushed release and/or Epic's apparent tendency to pawn
>stuff off on the modding community. What wasimplemented in it's place:
>Nothing. . .
>Third, six gametypes, , yes SIX. Deathmatch, Team Deathmatch, CTF,
>VCTF, Duel, and Warfare. No ONS or Assault, which we were led to
>believe Warfare is a suitable replacement for. (It is not a suitable
>replacement for either so far, but I'm still trying to get into it).
>No Bombing Run, No Domination or any sort, no Invasion, Last Man
>Sanding. Again, it feels like they left it all for the fans to make,
>kinda like they left AS out of ut2003.
>Next are the VTMs. There are lots of them, for every aspect of map
>making, , that's right, , no coding tuts, no vehicle rigging tuts,
>nothing about weapons or anything: Just mapping.
>The last thing, is the one that ist he preverbial "straw that broke
>the camel's back": Bots are limited to 15 in a map. So for those of us
>that live in a rural enough area that we don't get good enough pings
>for online play, or just can't take the game serious enough to play
>online, We're just plainly out of luck. As I stated, it's a deal-
>breaker for me. My main reason for picking up UT3 was to mod for it: I
>mod for 2k4, and in between modding or while testing, I play a bit
>against bots, ,32, , bots. Why anyone would want to play with less is
>beyond me, and I understand: "The real games are against
>humans,  ,blah blah blah". Yea, I know that's what many think, but if
>you for whatever reason, can't play online, it makes the game rather
>worthless. It is obvious bot support is not anwhere near a priority in
>Epic's book, with the reduction in the number of bots, and what seems
>to be their sloppy, barely present AI. For most of what I have seen,
>the bots, even at higher skills, run around pretty pointlessly, not
>really doing anything until they stumble across an enemy or a point of
>interest like the flag in CTF.
>As for graphics, while the system is updated for much greater
>capabilities, what ships with the game is IMO not as great as many are
>boasting. NO, it's not my system, I have an X1950XTX video card and a
>VERY good 22" monitor, 2k4, HL3, Bioshock, as well as others look
>AWESOME on my system, UT3 looks kinda washed and drab.
>There are also some other little inconvienences, but I'm not sure if
>they are universal or not, since I see little mention of them in the
>boards: Set the mutators, number of players and such, and the next
>time you start the game up, do it all over agains, because UT3 is not
>remembering anything. Same with my keyboard mapping, but I wonder if
>everyone has this problem, because I see little mention of it.
>Add it all up, and notice some threads on Epic's message boards are
>getting locked without being answered, it looks to me like they are in
>damage control mode. I question the sources of messages that openly
>praise the game in blanket fashion, throw veiled insults at anyone
>that thinks otherwise, and the failure of anyone to adress some of the
>issues. Just my $.02

Alfred Kaufmann wrote:
> Give Patch101 a try and then re-post this review.   Maybe the patch
> will fix some of the problems.
> 
> Al
> 
> 
> On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 08:45:22 -0800 (PST), GTD <toobiep@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Well, I must say that I am rather disappointed at the game as a whole.
>> The epic forums and other message board are full of people praising it
>> without making any real points other than that it looks tremendous,
>> and that anyone that doesn't like it just doesn't know what they are
>> talking about/is an idiot/hasn't really played it. I keep seeing "It
>> hasn't been out long enough for an honest review", But how long does a
>> game have to be out to realize they removed much of what the previous
>> games had?
>> First, obviously the UI, , it's bad, , much like a console, , but
>> enough about that, that seems to be a big point, and at times the only
>> one addressed. Some people don't care that it takes many more steps to
>> exit the game than previous versions of the game did, but
>> nevertheless, it's still a huge step backwards. It's going to be a
>> real pain to anyone modding: Many more steps to get out of the game
>> when testing.
>> Second, the entire Adrenaline system is removed. No adreanline combos,
>> stock or otherwise. I just think that was a bad move, I would be left
>> out due to a rushed release and/or Epic's apparent tendency to pawn
>> stuff off on the modding community. What wasimplemented in it's place:
>> Nothing. . .
>> Third, six gametypes, , yes SIX. Deathmatch, Team Deathmatch, CTF,
>> VCTF, Duel, and Warfare. No ONS or Assault, which we were led to
>> believe Warfare is a suitable replacement for. (It is not a suitable
>> replacement for either so far, but I'm still trying to get into it).
>> No Bombing Run, No Domination or any sort, no Invasion, Last Man
>> Sanding. Again, it feels like they left it all for the fans to make,
>> kinda like they left AS out of ut2003.
>> Next are the VTMs. There are lots of them, for every aspect of map
>> making, , that's right, , no coding tuts, no vehicle rigging tuts,
>> nothing about weapons or anything: Just mapping.
>> The last thing, is the one that ist he preverbial "straw that broke
>> the camel's back": Bots are limited to 15 in a map. So for those of us
>> that live in a rural enough area that we don't get good enough pings
>> for online play, or just can't take the game serious enough to play
>> online, We're just plainly out of luck. As I stated, it's a deal-
>> breaker for me. My main reason for picking up UT3 was to mod for it: I
>> mod for 2k4, and in between modding or while testing, I play a bit
>> against bots, ,32, , bots. Why anyone would want to play with less is
>> beyond me, and I understand: "The real games are against
>> humans,  ,blah blah blah". Yea, I know that's what many think, but if
>> you for whatever reason, can't play online, it makes the game rather
>> worthless. It is obvious bot support is not anwhere near a priority in
>> Epic's book, with the reduction in the number of bots, and what seems
>> to be their sloppy, barely present AI. For most of what I have seen,
>> the bots, even at higher skills, run around pretty pointlessly, not
>> really doing anything until they stumble across an enemy or a point of
>> interest like the flag in CTF.
>> As for graphics, while the system is updated for much greater
>> capabilities, what ships with the game is IMO not as great as many are
>> boasting. NO, it's not my system, I have an X1950XTX video card and a
>> VERY good 22" monitor, 2k4, HL3, Bioshock, as well as others look
>> AWESOME on my system, UT3 looks kinda washed and drab.
>> There are also some other little inconvienences, but I'm not sure if
>> they are universal or not, since I see little mention of them in the
>> boards: Set the mutators, number of players and such, and the next
>> time you start the game up, do it all over agains, because UT3 is not
>> remembering anything. Same with my keyboard mapping, but I wonder if
>> everyone has this problem, because I see little mention of it.
>> Add it all up, and notice some threads on Epic's message boards are
>> getting locked without being answered, it looks to me like they are in
>> damage control mode. I question the sources of messages that openly
>> praise the game in blanket fashion, throw veiled insults at anyone
>> that thinks otherwise, and the failure of anyone to adress some of the
>> issues. Just my $.02

OK, that upped the number of bots, seems to have given us a quicker way 
out of the game, and seemed to have helped a little on the AI.

Still, the game looks dull, and the UI cheesy. Such a dull environment, 
and it makes the weapon effects look like a cartoon. .

Anyways, what they fixed was still a rather small part: There's so few 
gametypes, and really, except for warfare, they are the simplest ones to 
make.