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"La Cima Rick" <rick@lacimatours.com> wrote in message 
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> Just installed Quake 4 and it runs really jerkey.  I'm running a Dell
> Dimension, P4, 3.4ghz...Radeon X300 PCI Video w/ 128mb, and running 1gb
> RAM.  Audio is a SB Audigy 2zs card.
>
> I'm having to run the game at 640X480 at "Low Quality" and with the
> weapons not showing, just to make it playable. (barely)
>
> Seems to me that the game should run better on my setup...any advice as
> to what I might do?
>
> Thanks...
>

Your X300 is your bottleneck.  Your CPU and ram are great.

I'm running a lowly (yuk yuk!) A64 at a measley 2.4 gHz, 2 gigs PC3200 in 
dual channel, 6800GT (AGP), onboard 8 channel audio and XP Pro SP2.  I have 
no benchmarks to offer, but running the game in the highest res my monitor 
AND Q4 supports, 1280x960-32 bits, I have everything cranked up with quality 
in High, not ultra (yet) and am seeing no slowdowns at all.  Be nice to have 
a benchmark demo.
I'm guessing that your mentioning 'PCI' is PCI express?

And I'm not just an AMD fanboi knocking your P4 either.  I have a P4 3.0E 
that does a great job.  It's just that my AMD64 is a lot faster even running 
2.4 ghz.  It's an X2 4800+  :) 

On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:27:40 -0700, La Cima Rick wrote:

> Just installed Quake 4 and it runs really jerkey.  I'm running a Dell
> Dimension, P4, 3.4ghz...Radeon X300 PCI Video w/ 128mb, and running 1gb
> RAM.  Audio is a SB Audigy 2zs card.
> 
> I'm having to run the game at 640X480 at "Low Quality" and with the
> weapons not showing, just to make it playable. (barely)
> 
> Seems to me that the game should run better on my setup...any advice as
> to what I might do?  

Easy.  Get a real video card.  That Radeon (onboard video?) sucks.

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"McGrandpa" <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote in
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> I'm running a lowly (yuk yuk!) A64 at a measley 2.4 gHz, 2 gigs PC3200
> in dual channel, 6800GT (AGP), onboard 8 channel audio and XP Pro SP2.
>  I have no benchmarks to offer, but running the game in the highest
> res my monitor AND Q4 supports, 1280x960-32 bits, I have everything
> cranked up with quality in High, not ultra (yet) and am seeing no
> slowdowns at all.  Be nice to have a benchmark demo.

Essentially the same rig (DFI LANParty UT mobo) but with XP Pro 64, and the 
PCIE 6800GT. I tried running at 1280x1024 in Ultra but it was too choppy. I 
backed it down to High and things smoothed right out. Ultra probably needs 
a 7800 to get enough texture bandwidth, as it felt like texture lag, the 
kind of thing normally cured by looking around in all directions in a new 
level to force the textures to load.

"ScratchMonkey" <scratchmonkey.blacklist@sewingwitch.com> wrote in message 
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> "McGrandpa" <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote in
> news:CN%6f.19160$Bf7.4232@tornado.texas.rr.com:
>
>> I'm running a lowly (yuk yuk!) A64 at a measley 2.4 gHz, 2 gigs PC3200
>> in dual channel, 6800GT (AGP), onboard 8 channel audio and XP Pro SP2.
>>  I have no benchmarks to offer, but running the game in the highest
>> res my monitor AND Q4 supports, 1280x960-32 bits, I have everything
>> cranked up with quality in High, not ultra (yet) and am seeing no
>> slowdowns at all.  Be nice to have a benchmark demo.
>
> Essentially the same rig (DFI LANParty UT mobo) but with XP Pro 64, and 
> the
> PCIE 6800GT. I tried running at 1280x1024 in Ultra but it was too choppy. 
> I
> backed it down to High and things smoothed right out. Ultra probably needs
> a 7800 to get enough texture bandwidth, as it felt like texture lag, the
> kind of thing normally cured by looking around in all directions in a new
> level to force the textures to load.

Well, as the UpsetChaps guides and tweaks pages say, Ultra mode for Doom3 
and Quake4 are ideally suited for 512meg vid cards.  They said that the 
severe texture lag and/or thrashing would happen with 256 meg cards.  OR, if 
PCI-e actually *worked* then couldn't system ram be used for the video 
texture memory at full bandwidth?  I'm not sure at all how that is supposed 
to work.   I just know folks talk here in the ng's about this not being so 
big a thing, yet.
ALso, I did try XP Pro 64 with Far Cry 64 and that was really great.  but, 
there aren't enough 64 bit peripheral drivers out even now for me to just 
shift over.  So I didn't send in my XP Pro disk and keep X64  :-\
McG.

On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 07:10:26 GMT, "McGrandpa"
<McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote:

>
>"La Cima Rick" <rick@lacimatours.com> wrote in message 
>news:1130117260.742798.242490@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> Just installed Quake 4 and it runs really jerkey.  I'm running a Dell
>> Dimension, P4, 3.4ghz...Radeon X300 PCI Video w/ 128mb, and running 1gb
>> RAM.  Audio is a SB Audigy 2zs card.
>>
>> I'm having to run the game at 640X480 at "Low Quality" and with the
>> weapons not showing, just to make it playable. (barely)
>>
>> Seems to me that the game should run better on my setup...any advice as
>> to what I might do?
>>
>> Thanks...
>>
>
>Your X300 is your bottleneck.  Your CPU and ram are great.
>
>I'm running a lowly (yuk yuk!) A64 at a measley 2.4 gHz, 2 gigs PC3200 in 
>dual channel, 6800GT (AGP), onboard 8 channel audio and XP Pro SP2.  I have 
>no benchmarks to offer, but running the game in the highest res my monitor 
>AND Q4 supports, 1280x960-32 bits, I have everything cranked up with quality 
>in High, not ultra (yet) and am seeing no slowdowns at all.  Be nice to have 
>a benchmark demo.
>I'm guessing that your mentioning 'PCI' is PCI express?
>
>And I'm not just an AMD fanboi knocking your P4 either.  I have a P4 3.0E 
>that does a great job.  It's just that my AMD64 is a lot faster even running 
>2.4 ghz.  It's an X2 4800+  :) 
>
Hey, McGrandpa, how are ya?  We did Doom 3 and Half-Life at about the
same time.  I'm playing quake 4 on a 2.8, 1gig, nvidia 6800 oc (256M).
Runs great, great game.  I tried ultra quality and it brought my $500
card to its knees.  Next level down runs just fine.  I agree, sounds
like this player needs a new video card if he/she wants to go
bigger/better.

<Diver@home> wrote in message news:435dd145.5420234@news.giganews.com...
> On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 07:10:26 GMT, "McGrandpa"
> <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"La Cima Rick" <rick@lacimatours.com> wrote in message
>>news:1130117260.742798.242490@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>> Just installed Quake 4 and it runs really jerkey.  I'm running a Dell
>>> Dimension, P4, 3.4ghz...Radeon X300 PCI Video w/ 128mb, and running 1gb
>>> RAM.  Audio is a SB Audigy 2zs card.
>>>
>>> I'm having to run the game at 640X480 at "Low Quality" and with the
>>> weapons not showing, just to make it playable. (barely)
>>>
>>> Seems to me that the game should run better on my setup...any advice as
>>> to what I might do?
>>>
>>> Thanks...
>>>
>>
>>Your X300 is your bottleneck.  Your CPU and ram are great.
>>
>>I'm running a lowly (yuk yuk!) A64 at a measley 2.4 gHz, 2 gigs PC3200 in
>>dual channel, 6800GT (AGP), onboard 8 channel audio and XP Pro SP2.  I 
>>have
>>no benchmarks to offer, but running the game in the highest res my monitor
>>AND Q4 supports, 1280x960-32 bits, I have everything cranked up with 
>>quality
>>in High, not ultra (yet) and am seeing no slowdowns at all.  Be nice to 
>>have
>>a benchmark demo.
>>I'm guessing that your mentioning 'PCI' is PCI express?
>>
>>And I'm not just an AMD fanboi knocking your P4 either.  I have a P4 3.0E
>>that does a great job.  It's just that my AMD64 is a lot faster even 
>>running
>>2.4 ghz.  It's an X2 4800+  :)
>>
> Hey, McGrandpa, how are ya?  We did Doom 3 and Half-Life at about the
> same time.  I'm playing quake 4 on a 2.8, 1gig, nvidia 6800 oc (256M).
> Runs great, great game.  I tried ultra quality and it brought my $500
> card to its knees.  Next level down runs just fine.  I agree, sounds
> like this player needs a new video card if he/she wants to go
> bigger/better.

X300 just won't do it.
I'm playing several of the 'big' games and my rig is doing just fine with 
them.
The 'old' one is a P4 3.0E, 2 gigs.  This one is an X2 4800+, 2 gigs and 
6800GT 256 meg.  Q4 is lookin good!   Can't wait to see some of the old Q2 
CTF maps for it :)
McG. 

On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 03:12:47 GMT, "McGrandpa"
<McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote:

>
><Diver@home> wrote in message news:435dd145.5420234@news.giganews.com...
>> On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 07:10:26 GMT, "McGrandpa"
>> <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"La Cima Rick" <rick@lacimatours.com> wrote in message
>>>news:1130117260.742798.242490@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>> Just installed Quake 4 and it runs really jerkey.  I'm running a Dell
>>>> Dimension, P4, 3.4ghz...Radeon X300 PCI Video w/ 128mb, and running 1gb
>>>> RAM.  Audio is a SB Audigy 2zs card.
>>>>
>>>> I'm having to run the game at 640X480 at "Low Quality" and with the
>>>> weapons not showing, just to make it playable. (barely)
>>>>
>>>> Seems to me that the game should run better on my setup...any advice as
>>>> to what I might do?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks...
>>>>
>>>
>>>Your X300 is your bottleneck.  Your CPU and ram are great.
>>>
>>>I'm running a lowly (yuk yuk!) A64 at a measley 2.4 gHz, 2 gigs PC3200 in
>>>dual channel, 6800GT (AGP), onboard 8 channel audio and XP Pro SP2.  I 
>>>have
>>>no benchmarks to offer, but running the game in the highest res my monitor
>>>AND Q4 supports, 1280x960-32 bits, I have everything cranked up with 
>>>quality
>>>in High, not ultra (yet) and am seeing no slowdowns at all.  Be nice to 
>>>have
>>>a benchmark demo.
>>>I'm guessing that your mentioning 'PCI' is PCI express?
>>>
>>>And I'm not just an AMD fanboi knocking your P4 either.  I have a P4 3.0E
>>>that does a great job.  It's just that my AMD64 is a lot faster even 
>>>running
>>>2.4 ghz.  It's an X2 4800+  :)
>>>
>> Hey, McGrandpa, how are ya?  We did Doom 3 and Half-Life at about the
>> same time.  I'm playing quake 4 on a 2.8, 1gig, nvidia 6800 oc (256M).
>> Runs great, great game.  I tried ultra quality and it brought my $500
>> card to its knees.  Next level down runs just fine.  I agree, sounds
>> like this player needs a new video card if he/she wants to go
>> bigger/better.
>
>X300 just won't do it.
>I'm playing several of the 'big' games and my rig is doing just fine with 
>them.
>The 'old' one is a P4 3.0E, 2 gigs.  This one is an X2 4800+, 2 gigs and 
>6800GT 256 meg.  Q4 is lookin good!   Can't wait to see some of the old Q2 
>CTF maps for it :)
>McG. 
>
Can the game(s) get the second core to run?  Most games run the CPU as
a single thread unless they've cooked up something on the PC side.
6800 runs parallel.  Still, sounds sweet.  I looked at Dell's 3.8, all
dressed up, about $3,700.  I've already got three dells, 2.8, 2.6 and
a 400mhz running smoothwall firewall.

<Diver@home> wrote in message news:435f0238.3073984@news.giganews.com...
> On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 03:12:47 GMT, "McGrandpa"
> <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>><Diver@home> wrote in message news:435dd145.5420234@news.giganews.com...
>>> On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 07:10:26 GMT, "McGrandpa"
>>> <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"La Cima Rick" <rick@lacimatours.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:1130117260.742798.242490@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> Just installed Quake 4 and it runs really jerkey.  I'm running a Dell
>>>>> Dimension, P4, 3.4ghz...Radeon X300 PCI Video w/ 128mb, and running 
>>>>> 1gb
>>>>> RAM.  Audio is a SB Audigy 2zs card.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm having to run the game at 640X480 at "Low Quality" and with the
>>>>> weapons not showing, just to make it playable. (barely)
>>>>>
>>>>> Seems to me that the game should run better on my setup...any advice 
>>>>> as
>>>>> to what I might do?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Your X300 is your bottleneck.  Your CPU and ram are great.
>>>>
>>>>I'm running a lowly (yuk yuk!) A64 at a measley 2.4 gHz, 2 gigs PC3200 
>>>>in
>>>>dual channel, 6800GT (AGP), onboard 8 channel audio and XP Pro SP2.  I
>>>>have
>>>>no benchmarks to offer, but running the game in the highest res my 
>>>>monitor
>>>>AND Q4 supports, 1280x960-32 bits, I have everything cranked up with
>>>>quality
>>>>in High, not ultra (yet) and am seeing no slowdowns at all.  Be nice to
>>>>have
>>>>a benchmark demo.
>>>>I'm guessing that your mentioning 'PCI' is PCI express?
>>>>
>>>>And I'm not just an AMD fanboi knocking your P4 either.  I have a P4 
>>>>3.0E
>>>>that does a great job.  It's just that my AMD64 is a lot faster even
>>>>running
>>>>2.4 ghz.  It's an X2 4800+  :)
>>>>
>>> Hey, McGrandpa, how are ya?  We did Doom 3 and Half-Life at about the
>>> same time.  I'm playing quake 4 on a 2.8, 1gig, nvidia 6800 oc (256M).
>>> Runs great, great game.  I tried ultra quality and it brought my $500
>>> card to its knees.  Next level down runs just fine.  I agree, sounds
>>> like this player needs a new video card if he/she wants to go
>>> bigger/better.
>>
>>X300 just won't do it.
>>I'm playing several of the 'big' games and my rig is doing just fine with
>>them.
>>The 'old' one is a P4 3.0E, 2 gigs.  This one is an X2 4800+, 2 gigs and
>>6800GT 256 meg.  Q4 is lookin good!   Can't wait to see some of the old Q2
>>CTF maps for it :)
>>McG.
>>
> Can the game(s) get the second core to run?  Most games run the CPU as
> a single thread unless they've cooked up something on the PC side.
> 6800 runs parallel.  Still, sounds sweet.  I looked at Dell's 3.8, all
> dressed up, about $3,700.  I've already got three dells, 2.8, 2.6 and
> a 400mhz running smoothwall firewall.

AFAIK, both cores are always running.  Just a matter of calling it.
McG. 

Ok.  I am ready to get a card.  What card should I get just for fps?
Any vid cap or tv ports or bells and whistles would be a waste.

I have a p4 2Ghz machine

kilowatt@charter.net wrote:
> Ok.  I am ready to get a card.  What card should I get just for fps?
> Any vid cap or tv ports or bells and whistles would be a waste.
> 
> I have a p4 2Ghz machine
> 
Since you haven't specified what you can afford, the answer can only be
a pair of Geforce 7800s in SLI mode on PCI express busses. They'll cost
more than your machine is worth though.

In article <F-ednXk2C7R9Uf_eRVnyhg@eclipse.net.uk>, doomy22
@incorrect.address.invalid says...
> kilowatt@charter.net wrote:
> > Ok.  I am ready to get a card.  What card should I get just for fps?
> > Any vid cap or tv ports or bells and whistles would be a waste.
> > 
> > I have a p4 2Ghz machine
> > 
> Since you haven't specified what you can afford, the answer can only be
> a pair of Geforce 7800s in SLI mode on PCI express busses. They'll cost
> more than your machine is worth though.
> 
and take a look to the video ram bevore you buy.

"La Cima Rick" <rick@lacimatours.com> wrote in 
news:1130117260.742798.242490@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

> Just installed Quake 4 and it runs really jerkey.  I'm running a Dell
> Dimension, P4, 3.4ghz...Radeon X300 PCI Video w/ 128mb, and running 1gb
> RAM.  Audio is a SB Audigy 2zs card.
> 
> I'm having to run the game at 640X480 at "Low Quality" and with the
> weapons not showing, just to make it playable. (barely)
> 
> Seems to me that the game should run better on my setup...any advice as
> to what I might do?  
> 
> Thanks...
> 

This probably dosn't apply to your system, but I had a problem with jerky 
graphics on my machine. Strangely once I disconnected my Iomega Parallel 
Port Zip Drive (which was using the drivers supplied by WINXP), the problem 
went away.
Just something to consider for people who might have Zip Drives connected 
and having problems.