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In article <4ckotl$n...@steel.interlog.com> dav...@interlog.com (Dave Glue) writes:
>From: dav...@interlog.com (Dave Glue)
>Subject: Re: All Rendition-using cards compatible ?
>Date: Sat, 06 Jan 1996 05:55:43 GMT

>On Fri, 05 Jan 1996 22:35:46 GMT,
>Alexander...@hamburg.netsurf.de (Alexander Dietrich) wrote:

>>Hello guys !
>>
>>Ok, we know that the game-once-called-Quake supports
>>the Verite from Rendition. But what about the cards from
>>Creative Labs and #9 that use Rendition-chips too ?
>>Are they compatible ?
>>

>The Verite is the name of the _chip_, Rendition is the manufacturer of
>the chip- they are not making a board of their own.  Quake will run on
>both the #9 and PCI 3D Blaster board.

Most likely... but who knows which card will perform better.  Cards that have 
the same chip can exhibit quite different levels of performance (e.g. some 
current S3-based cards, with the *same* S3 chip model number.)  While the 
Verite chip may guarantee compatibility on some level, the other on-board 
electronics will also factor into the performance picture.

--Lance.

In article <4ck5q9$e...@trance.isys.net>,
   Alexander...@hamburg.netsurf.de (Alexander Dietrich) wrote:
>Hello guys !
>
>Ok, we know that the game-once-called-Quake supports
>the Verite from Rendition. But what about the cards from
>Creative Labs and #9 that use Rendition-chips too ?
>Are they compatible ?

Last I heard the CL card uses CL's library for 3D Blaster so games that run on 
the older card, Glint chip I think, will work with the new one and vice-versa. 
I don't believe that it is directly compatible with Renditions board and from 
what I hear same goes for #9's card.

Colin


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In article <4ckotl$n...@steel.interlog.com>,

>The Verite is the name of the _chip_, Rendition is the manufacturer of
>the chip- they are not making a board of their own.  Quake will run on
>both the #9 and PCI 3D Blaster board.

They have made a few boards for developers to play around with and from the 
best of my knowledge the other boards, CL 3D Blaster and #9 card, aren't 
directly compatible with the Rendition developer board.

Colin


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Does the new Diamond Edge card have the Verite chip?  Also, has anyone
else heard rumors that some of these cards will come bundled with a
copy of Quake?

Johnny Vannoy (tee...@twave.net) writes:
> Does the new Diamond Edge card have the Verite chip?  Also, has anyone
> else heard rumors that some of these cards will come bundled with a
> copy of Quake?
> 
This card is already available and comes bundled with I think it is NASCAR
racing or some other cheezy game.  This board uses the Nvidia chipset.  It
is inferior to the Verite chipset and the REAL3D chipset by
Lockheed&Martin.  I feel that these two chipsets are currently the leaders
of the pack from the technical data I have come across.  The Nvidia chip
does have compatibility with the PC versions of SEGA SATURN games (I
believe it is the only chipset that will be compatible with these
games...stupid idea).


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Johnny Vannoy wrote:
> 
> Does the new Diamond Edge card have the Verite chip?  Also, has anyone
> else heard rumors that some of these cards will come bundled with a
> copy of Quake?

I've rarely heard of that kind of offer.  Usually the 3d cards come 
with shareware games, not commercial games.

In article <4clkd2$b...@news-f.iadfw.net>,
   cl...@iadfw.net (Clyde Coffey) wrote:
>One prossible problem with that theory -- aren't the CL and #9 board
>the only announced products to use Verite? Is Quake supposed to have
>support for Verite, but no Verite-based board? What would that even
>mean?

CL hasn't released any boards based on the Verite chip, not even to 
developers. What most developers are doing today to support the chip is 
writing their programs to support CL's 3D library which currently runs on 
their VL-bus 3D card using (I believe) the Glint chip and for which CL is 
making their new card compatible. So anything written for their old card 
should work on their new card, if you don't believe me ask someone there. #9 
are farther along with their product but I haven't asked too many questions 
about it so I don't know all that much about it. Just because all the boards 
use the same chip doesn't mean that they are all directly compatible (although 
it would be nice if they were). Different ways of implementing the chip on the 
board can cause new drivers to be needed.

Colin

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Hi
I´m not sure: Does anybody know, if quake is going to run On VL (!) 3D Blaster (creative) ???
Thanks

Right - lets staighten this issue out.

Rendition make the Verite chip.  They are not making any BOARDs 
themselves.

Creative Labs are releasing 2 versions of the 3D Blaster - one (out 
now) for the VLB based machines, and a PCI version available in 
March. 

The VLB version DOES NOT support rendition's chip in anyway - it uses
the 3D Labs Glint (GIGI) chip as it's core.

However, the PCI version of the 3D Blaster will have the Verite chip 
on it.  This was officially announced on both Renditions and Creative 
Labs Web Pages.  Bear in mind the comments made by Jay Wilbur 
concerning the Verite. Quake will run upto 30% better using the 
Rendition chip "It's own premier platform for Quake."  

Various other card makers are also going to use the Verite chip on 
their card, such as Number 9.

Ruari Buchanan <db...@enterprise.net> wrote:
>Right - lets staighten this issue out.
>
>Various other card makers are also going to use the Verite chip on 
>their card, such as Number 9.

I haven't heard anything about Number 9's 3d card yet.  Does anybody know 
if it's gonna blow away the others or just be another one to make the 
confusion worse.

JP

On Sat, 6 Jan 1996 06:34:16 GMT, be...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Brandon
Suzuki) wrote:


>btw...does anyone know what 3d Chipset ATI is adotping?  I heard taht they
>have something in the works....and what of this 3d sound that ddt said
>QUAKE would support?  I have the SB32 card which says it has 3d sound...is
>this the same thing?

ATI announced their 3D chipset some time ago.  The press release is
already on their web site.  That, and the 3DFX's Voodo, from what I
hear are _really_ the cream of the crop.