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This is in reference to <MPG.113e301fe...@news.demon.co.uk>, in
which a one ma...@mhetherington.demon.co.uk (Mark) wrote:
> In article <yIUA2.226$_21....@server1.news.adelphia.net>, 
> tabm...@geoshitties.com says...

> > > > > You have claimed homosexuality is wrong because homosexuals invite 
> > > > > discrimination by their acts. This is comparable to any form of 
> > > > > discrimination based on sex, religion, ability, race, etc. It is not
>  the 
> > > > > victim(s) that needs to change it is the perpetrator(s) of the abuse.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Discriminating against homosexuality is as bad as discriminating
>  against 
> > > > > someone who has blue eyes. They are both genetic. They are both
>  natural. 
> > > > > They are both immutable.
> > > > 
> > > > Obesity is genetic.  Alcoholism is genetic.  
> > > 
> > > Alcoholism is not genetic. A tendency to become addicted to certain 
> > > things is. 
> > 
> > Yes, and it is still possible to overcome that addiction.
> 
> Overcome != cure

If they can overcome it, then fine.  If you weren't stuck on this
one-track mind where you think I'm "demanding" a cure, you'd have
seen that sooner.

> > > > Genetic != Good
> > > 
> > > Genetic !=Bad
> > 
> > Genetic *can* be bad.  (Rape may be caused by a gene too.)
> 
> For someone who claimed the whole homosexual gene theory was a setup by 
> homosexuals you suddenly have a lot of faith in genetics. Oh well, I 
> suppose at least you are not claiming some higher power to be the cause.

I'm saying that if homosexuality was caused by a gene, then so would
all the other horrible things we have in our society and assuming for
a minute that it were caused by a gene, that wouldn't make it right.

> > > > [snip rape scenario]
> > > > 
> > > > > Now, can you honestly say that your feelings of hatred are only for
>  what 
> > > > > he did and not against him? 
> > > > 
> > > > Yes, if he honestly really changed then I wouldn't hold it against him.
> > > 
> > > If he changed? That was not the question.
> > 
> > If he doesn't change, then I would agree that a change needs to
> > take place.
> 
> But would your *like* him if he did not? 

No, but I would still love him in the sense that I would hope
he would change.

> > > > If your brother/friend/son/whatever had a mental problem would you
> > > > want to help him get better?  Why or why not?
> > > 
> > > Be more specific. Mental Problem in your terminology is anything unlike 
> > > yourself. 
> > 
> > Really?  So I now think that women and blacks all have mental problems?
> > Thanks for letting me know, I was unaware that I had such views.
> 
> You random word insertion news reader at work again there Kombat or is 
> your paranoia on overdrive? :P
> 
> > > If they were like you I would definitely want them cured since 
> > > they have definite faschist tendencies :P but maybe you want to clarify 
> > > what you are suggesting as a mental problem and we'll take it from there. 
> > 
> > Let's say they had voices in their head that "made" them randomly
> > beat the living daylights out of random people.
> 
> I would expect them to have been prosecuted by now and in the care of 
> some institution. 

You still dodged the question (and guess what, four messages later :P)
Would you *want* him in the care of an institution?  Would you care
what happens to him?  

> Did this order just appear one day or was it always present? If it is a 
> developed disorder, was it gradual or sudden?

Let's say it was just suddenly noticed and that we don't know if it
was gradual, sudden, always there, or what.  Now would you want to
find out?  Wouldn't you want him to get better?

> > > > > > > > > The action makes the person what they are. 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I don't think so.  A non-smoker is still the same person they
>  are
> > > > > > > > when they start smoking.  And then still the same person after
>  that
> > > > > > > > when they stop.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Disagree.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > They are the same person doing different things.  
> > > > > > If a murderer was sentenced to prison, and then he stopped,
> > > > > > he is still the same man he was when he killed someone.
> > > > > > He is also the same guy he was before he killed someone.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Wrong.
> > > > 
> > > > And you call it childish of me when I say similar things not
> > > > marked with an IMHO :P
> > > > 
> > > > He's the same guy, he has all the same memories, the same
> > > > DNA, the same wardrobe, the same adress, so unless he has
> > > > one of those multiple or split personality disorders, I
> > > > don't see how you can say he's a different person.
> > > 
> > > He is different. Possessions do not make a person. Life does.
> > 
> > You seem to have ignored all the other things I mentioned (like
> > memories) so please re-read.
> 
> I have no need to. How come it is OK for you to read my comments and 
> ignore the parts you choose but when someone dies the same with yours you 
> tell me to read it again. Hypocrite!

Ooh, you actually spelled it right this time.  Anyway, I never ignored
the parts I chose, that was just something you kept saying that wasn't
true.  You actually were.

> Anyway - Address irrelevant to what makes a person
> Wardrobe - similarly irrelevant
> 
> This is what my point was about. I did not see the point in getting into 
> another discussion with you which goes nowhere. Hence my short and 
> uninvolved answers.
> 
> Since you insist, 
> 
> DNA - irrelevant for the purpose of this discussion
> 
> Leaving...
> 
> memories - a memory of murder that is with him for life. Murder is only 
> difficult the first time so next time he may well have a completely 
> different attitude. He will have a different outlook on life. Prison will 
> have had some effects on the way he is. He is different in many ways. He 
> may look the same although older and may have the same possessions 
> assuming he did not lose everything whilst in prison but these things are 
> not relevant. Experiences change people. 

They change the person's behaviours, the way the person acts, their
outlook on life, and not the actual person.

> His experiences are due to actions of his choice. Therefore his actions 
> made him what he was. 

His experiences are due to actions of his choics, yes.  His actions don't
have any bearing on who he is though.

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