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In article <mg1A2.3975$pE6....@server1.news.adelphia.net>, 
tabm...@geoshitties.com says...
> > > But then why was the term "surprised" used?  I'll answet that one...
> > > She was surprised that she actually wanted to do it, not that she was
> > > finally able to.
> > 
> > And your point?
> > 
> > The attraction and desire was always within her. 
> 
> You do not even begin to know her, I don't know what makes you
> think you're qualified to make such a statement.

The same qualification that you have which allows you to "demand" 
psychiatric treatment for anyone who does not conform to your definition 
of "normal" :P

> > It was suppressed through peer pressure and upbringing etc. She was
> > never in a situation where it was deemed normal let alone on offer.
> > When the situation came about, she happily went with it. Had she not
> > suppressed the feelings at an early age and had recognised them for 
> > what they were, she would probably have had a much more enjoyable
> > time. 
> > 
> > Many people suppress many feelings for many reasons. Never it is to their 
> > advantage. If you suppress feelings of abuse in childhood, they 
> > invariably affect your adult life until they are brought out into the 
> > open and "dealt" with. 
> 
> That's right, so if the feelings were always there (she has not
> been psychologically examined so no one really knows) she should
> have just brought them out and then went to get proffesional help
> to get rid of them.

What? Are you real? 

How could she be "helped"?

> > > Or the gene remained dormant, until a certain situation brought it
> > > out...  which is just what I was saying!  
> > 
> > It is not quite like that. Genes are not generally like switches which 
> > get "turned on" by experiences. 
> 
> I think that if a gene is what causes it (no proof yet, there may
> be some day though) then this shows that it is possible for some
> genes to be just like that.

How does it show that?

> > > That it was a combination
> > > of genes and an experience (whether perceived positively or
> > > negatively).
> > 
> > Many homosexuals, even today, are afraid to voice or admit to their 
> > feelings in their early years. Look at Jenn's recent message about what 
> > she went through at school. It is easy to see why most people hide their 
> > feelings until they are in an environment where the feel it is "safe" to 
> > express themselves. If it were not for the original suppression we would 
> > not have so many marriages broken because one partner is homosexual and 
> > was trying not to be. We would not have so many people miserable with 
> > their life because they are afraid of the things people will say/do to 
> > them. People like you who have done nothing but add to their misery. 
> 
> Why does one opinion make me "people like you"?  Don't you think it's
> a bit judgemental for one opinion to somehow put me in a certain class?  

No. Your opinions are consistent with your view and some other people's 
view of homosexuality. People like you is a simple generalisation 
covering people with similar opinions. How is this judgemental?

To be honest, I purposely classified you to show you something. Look how 
mad you are over being grouped with a few people sharing a common 
opinion. How do you think a homosexual feels every day of their life?

Follow me?

> > Hardly consideration of their feelings. And as for saying that you do 
> > consider their feelings and then demand they get help. How hippo critical 
> > is that!
> 
> It's not.  That's exactly what psychiatrists do, examine their feelings.

You strike me that in a particular position you would listen to the woes 
of the homosexual then then stand up and tell them to seek professional 
help. Hardly considerate, hence hippocritical.

> And I did not "demand" anything, it is merely my opinion of the way
> things should be which is based on how things are.

You read too much into things. Besides, the way you incessantly "request" 
treatment for something which is not even a problem is comparable to 
demanding. In the same way a chile always asking for sweets would be 
considered demanding.

> > > Do you remember saying this:
> > > 
> > > "As a 'Christian' you should be able to appreciate the advantages of
> > > not running and hiding since your very religion has throughout history
> > > only come about from people not giving into threats and fighting back."
> > 
> > Yeah so? 
> 
> So you asked me to quote one of your incessant references to the
> Catholic Church of the Middle Ages, and I gave it to you.

I was asking how I was incessant. Well done on snipping the pertinent 
part of the post. After all you and others have been saying in another 
thread ( on MKT opinions or something similar ) , you are guilty of the 
very same!

> > > I assume you mean I think that they should get psychiatric help, in
> > > which case you are right but that does not mean I haven't considered
> > > how they feel.
> > 
> > OK. Let's go back to an example of genetic disorder. A person is born 
> > blind through a genetic reason. Should this person seek psychiatric help? 
> 
> If he happens to be crazy, then yes he should.

Homosexual != crazy.

-- 
Mark