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This is in reference to <MPG.113a8ad42...@news.demon.co.uk>, in
which a one ma...@mhetherington.demon.co.uk (Mark) wrote:
> In article <jDZz2.3938$pE6....@server1.news.adelphia.net>, 
> tabm...@geoshitties.com says...
> [snip]
> > But then why was the term "surprised" used?  I'll answet that one...
> > She was surprised that she actually wanted to do it, not that she was
> > finally able to.
> 
> And your point?
> 
> The attraction and desire was always within her. 

You do not even begin to know her, I don't know what makes you
think you're qualified to make such a statement.

> It was suppressed through peer pressure and upbringing etc. She was
> never in a situation where it was deemed normal let alone on offer.
> When the situation came about, she happily went with it. Had she not
> suppressed the feelings at an early age and had recognised them for 
> what they were, she would probably have had a much more enjoyable
> time. 
> 
> Many people suppress many feelings for many reasons. Never it is to their 
> advantage. If you suppress feelings of abuse in childhood, they 
> invariably affect your adult life until they are brought out into the 
> open and "dealt" with. 

That's right, so if the feelings were always there (she has not
been psychologically examined so no one really knows) she should
have just brought them out and then went to get proffesional help
to get rid of them.

> > Or the gene remained dormant, until a certain situation brought it
> > out...  which is just what I was saying!  
> 
> It is not quite like that. Genes are not generally like switches which 
> get "turned on" by experiences. 

I think that if a gene is what causes it (no proof yet, there may
be some day though) then this shows that it is possible for some
genes to be just like that.

> > That it was a combination
> > of genes and an experience (whether perceived positively or
> > negatively).
> 
> Many homosexuals, even today, are afraid to voice or admit to their 
> feelings in their early years. Look at Jenn's recent message about what 
> she went through at school. It is easy to see why most people hide their 
> feelings until they are in an environment where the feel it is "safe" to 
> express themselves. If it were not for the original suppression we would 
> not have so many marriages broken because one partner is homosexual and 
> was trying not to be. We would not have so many people miserable with 
> their life because they are afraid of the things people will say/do to 
> them. People like you who have done nothing but add to their misery. 

Why does one opinion make me "people like you"?  Don't you think it's
a bit judgemental for one opinion to somehow put me in a certain class?  

> Hardly consideration of their feelings. And as for saying that you do 
> consider their feelings and then demand they get help. How hippo critical 
> is that!

It's not.  That's exactly what psychiatrists do, examine their feelings.
And I did not "demand" anything, it is merely my opinion of the way
things should be which is based on how things are.

> > Do you remember saying this:
> > 
> > "As a 'Christian' you should be able to appreciate the advantages of
> > not running and hiding since your very religion has throughout history
> > only come about from people not giving into threats and fighting back."
> 
> Yeah so? 

So you asked me to quote one of your incessant references to the
Catholic Church of the Middle Ages, and I gave it to you.

> > I assume you mean I think that they should get psychiatric help, in
> > which case you are right but that does not mean I haven't considered
> > how they feel.
> 
> OK. Let's go back to an example of genetic disorder. A person is born 
> blind through a genetic reason. Should this person seek psychiatric help? 

If he happens to be crazy, then yes he should.

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