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In article <uK4z2.2245$pE6....@server1.news.adelphia.net>, 
tabm...@geoshitties.com says...
> Mark, the name of that museum from a long time ago *may* have
> "National Museum of Health and Medicine" down in D.C....  I
> saw it mentioned in a local TV show and the exhibit on
> conjoined twins that was filmed looks pretty familiar :)
> I'm gonna have to check and see if that's the one.

OK. Let me know when you know :)

> LOL, that's just an expression here :)  Anyway, I have major
> evidence that homosexuality is not inborn but definitely
> acquired:

Should prove interesting ...

> 
[snip conversational items]
> 
> These two people are strangers to each other, but when
> interviewed about her sexuality the female responded
> that she had been straight up to that point, but then
> got involved in lesbian sex later.  She was *44* years
> old when this happened, plenty of time to get to know
> herself, don't ya think?  Most people's lives are
> pretty much defined at that point, so I think this
> evidence is more than sufficient in proving that
> "sexual orientation" is not an inborn trait.

44 years is quite "old". Homosexuality has only recently gained the 
acceptance that it enjoys today. The chances are many closet homosexuals 
suppressed their feelings during times of oppression but are now able to 
express them. 

Any predilection towards the same sex is gene oriented. It may take time 
to discover since you are forced down a path of heterosexuality during 
your formative years. Peer pressure, parental pressure, sociological 
pressure will all help quell feelings if they are generally perceived to 
be abnormal. Today, people are able to be more expressive without the 
same risks of 20 or 30 years ago. 

I will not deny that some people try homosexuality through curiosity or 
maybe they do have some small element of same sex attraction within them. 
It all stems from the same origin, I.e. genetic. Note your interviewees 
did not say "we used to think it was sick wrong never wanted to try it", 
they were in a situation and had no objection, maybe even some desire. 

Maybe they were seeking something they have not found in "normal" sexual 
relationships. Whatever, I do not believe you have presented evidence 
against inborn issues WRT homosexuality. Sorry :)

[snip biblical chat]

[snip "that group"]
> > In which case the terms are synonymous. So what was my "incessant" 
> > reference then?
> 
> You were mentioning them quite a bit at a time...  just forget it...

I cannot now, it's been built up to much, just close your eyes and type 
it then I'll forget it, OK? :)

> > > The fact remains that a gene alone could not account for
> > > homosexuality, bestiality, alcoholism, or anything else.
> > 
> > It can and does. 
> > 
> > Have you ever known a homosexual? Talked with them? 
> 
> I do personally know the "anonymous female" mentioned above,
> she was not bisexual when I met her.

Not *actively* bisexual, maybe. Not *knowingly* bisexual, maybe. Not 
bisexual, unlikely.

> > > That way it might be easier for you to see why "Two people having
> > > a good time" can still be a bad thing, even though they don't feel
> > > like they're doing anything wrong.
> > 
> > But the current discussion is not about their feelings but about how they 
> > are perceived by others. Two murderers might find killing people fun. 
> > That does not make it acceptable.
> 
> Exactly!  I *do* look at their feelings, whether they are outweighed by
> public opinion or not.

You come across that you see that as abnormal and even abhorent. That is 
hardly empathy.

-- 
Mark