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Matthew Clark wrote on Sat, 24 Jul 2004 04:00:03 GMT:
> So what's the consensus on Locomotion? Now that it's available for pre-order
> should I:
> (a) get it now and be one of the first to play it
> (b) wait a while for the bugs to be worked out
> (c) wait a while for the price to come down or
> (d) forget about it and go play another game of TTD
> 
> Any votes?

Abstain pending further information.

It has some good ideas, perhaps a more complex economy, more varied 
vehicle types (trams spring to mind), but also some things that are much 
more simplified than in TTD, for example no servicing depots.  The 
graphics seem a bit dull, though that's not much of an issue for me.

Still, I'll wait for the demo and make up my mind then.

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"Josef Drexler" <nospam0604@joesbox.cjb.net> wrote in message
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> It has some good ideas, perhaps a more complex economy, more varied
> vehicle types (trams spring to mind), but also some things that are much
> more simplified than in TTD, for example no servicing depots.  The
> graphics seem a bit dull, though that's not much of an issue for me.
>
> Still, I'll wait for the demo and make up my mind then.

I agree... I mean all is really needed is to incorporate the changes of TTD
Patch into the original TT Deluxe. Then perhaps add more cargo options, or
deeper development. But then add a new graphics front end, to take advantage
of new graphics hardware. To me the game really doesn't look like much of an
update from the old game, which sucks. When I bought TTDLX I was using a 50
MHz 486, now I have a 1.7 GHz Athlon XP but it doesn't look like the new
game will even tax that.

All I really want is more realistic complexity. So more industries, but also
deeper transportation needs, more realistic dynamic cities that create those
needs.

Simon Howson

"Matthew Clark" <clarkbhm@hotmail.com> wrote:

>So what's the consensus on Locomotion? Now that it's available for pre-order
>should I:
>(a) get it now and be one of the first to play it
>(b) wait a while for the bugs to be worked out
>(c) wait a while for the price to come down or
>(d) forget about it and go play another game of TTD
>
>Any votes?


Having tried the demo, I want Locomotion and I want it now!

It still has all the charm of TTD, but the RCT-style interface for
building railroad track, structures and stations is outstanding.  

A quantum leap ahead of TTD, I would say.

Tony

TP wrote:

> Having tried the demo, I want Locomotion and I want it now!

> It still has all the charm of TTD, but the RCT-style interface for
> building railroad track, structures and stations is outstanding.  

I think I would add a "planning stage" for the railroad. Sometimes it's
hard to get the turning endpoint right on the first try and
building/demolishing the track costs money...

> A quantum leap ahead of TTD, I would say.

IMO the demo lacks time-controls (at least pause, slow, normal, fast)

And a "free play" should be possible on a random map, just as in the TTD.

Different location could be nice, too.

Or may be the last part will appear in Locomotion DeLuxe? ;)

Jo'Asia

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Jo'Asia wrote on Tue, 7 Sep 2004 14:04:16 +0200:
> TP wrote:
> 
> > Having tried the demo, I want Locomotion and I want it now!
> 
> > It still has all the charm of TTD, but the RCT-style interface for
> > building railroad track, structures and stations is outstanding.  
> 
> I think I would add a "planning stage" for the railroad. Sometimes it's
> hard to get the turning endpoint right on the first try and
> building/demolishing the track costs money...

Yeah that would be useful.

> > A quantum leap ahead of TTD, I would say.
> 
> IMO the demo lacks time-controls (at least pause, slow, normal, fast)

In your opinion?  Did you look at the bottom-right corner of the screen?

> And a "free play" should be possible on a random map, just as in the TTD.

According to Gamespot, the game will have random scenarios in addition to 
the "challenge" scenarios.

> Different location could be nice, too.

Location for what?

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Josef Drexler wrote:

>> IMO the demo lacks time-controls (at least pause, slow, normal, fast)

> In your opinion?  Did you look at the bottom-right corner of the screen?

Hm. It's possible I did not :)

>> Different location could be nice, too.

> Location for what?

Just as in TTD - desert/tropical, mountain, Mars, every one with different
set of industries, cargos and wagons/cars etc.

Jo'Asia

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On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 12:49:56 +0100, TP <tp@nospam.net> wrote:

>Having tried the demo, I want Locomotion and I want it now!
>
>It still has all the charm of TTD, but the RCT-style interface for
>building railroad track, structures and stations is outstanding.  

In what way??  In TTD, you could build a 6x4 station with one click.
With Locomotion, it takes FORTY-EIGHT clicks!  I still haven't figured
out how to make a working double-track.  One of my problems is that I
haven't figured out how to make a one-way signal.

In a multi-station layout, I've tried merging the tracks, but the
result always looks like a drunk put it together and didn't bother to
actually connect the tracks.

The rail graphics look cartoonish and sloppy.  You can no longer
simply drag yourself a long rail line.  You've got to click forever to
get it done.

>A quantum leap ahead of TTD, I would say.

It should have been named Transport Tycoon Desuxe.

"Arcfus Barcwinkle" <arcfus@whodere.yank> schreef in bericht
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> On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 12:49:56 +0100, TP <tp@nospam.net> wrote:
>
> >Having tried the demo, I want Locomotion and I want it now!
> >
> >It still has all the charm of TTD, but the RCT-style interface for
> >building railroad track, structures and stations is outstanding.
>
> In what way??  In TTD, you could build a 6x4 station with one click.
> With Locomotion, it takes FORTY-EIGHT clicks!  I still haven't figured
> out how to make a working double-track.  One of my problems is that I
> haven't figured out how to make a one-way signal.
>
> In a multi-station layout, I've tried merging the tracks, but the
> result always looks like a drunk put it together and didn't bother to
> actually connect the tracks.
>
> The rail graphics look cartoonish and sloppy.  You can no longer
> simply drag yourself a long rail line.  You've got to click forever to
> get it done.
>
> >A quantum leap ahead of TTD, I would say.
>
> It should have been named Transport Tycoon Desuxe.

I think that Locoblowtion would be a more suitable term for that description.

Arcfus Barcwinkle wrote on Wed, 08 Sep 2004 14:41:16 -0400:
> On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 12:49:56 +0100, TP <tp@nospam.net> wrote:
> 
> >Having tried the demo, I want Locomotion and I want it now!
> >
> >It still has all the charm of TTD, but the RCT-style interface for
> >building railroad track, structures and stations is outstanding.  
> 
> In what way??  In TTD, you could build a 6x4 station with one click.

Now you couldn't... only 5x4 ;)

> With Locomotion, it takes FORTY-EIGHT clicks!  I still haven't figured
> out how to make a working double-track. 

That's one of the disadvantages of the flexibility of not having to make 
rectangular stations.  Me, I'd rather have the flexibility.

> One of my problems is that I
> haven't figured out how to make a one-way signal.

Just click the one-way signal icon in the signal construction window.

> In a multi-station layout, I've tried merging the tracks, but the
> result always looks like a drunk put it together and didn't bother to
> actually connect the tracks.

It takes some practise, but you'll get better at it I'm sure.

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"Josef Drexler" <nospam0804@joesbox.cjb.net> wrote in message 
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>> In a multi-station layout, I've tried merging the tracks, but the
>> result always looks like a drunk put it together and didn't bother to
>> actually connect the tracks.
>
> It takes some practise, but you'll get better at it I'm sure.

Can you make proper double track stations with an overall roof, or are you 
stuck with what looks like 40 odd seperate blocks joined together? 

Michael Rodgers wrote on Thu, 9 Sep 2004 11:51:14 +0100:
> "Josef Drexler" <nospam0804@joesbox.cjb.net> wrote in message 
> news:MPG.1ba94f7c8b67484a989ea8@server.our.house...
> >> In a multi-station layout, I've tried merging the tracks, but the
> >> result always looks like a drunk put it together and didn't bother to
> >> actually connect the tracks.
> >
> > It takes some practise, but you'll get better at it I'm sure.
> 
> Can you make proper double track stations with an overall roof, or are you 
> stuck with what looks like 40 odd seperate blocks joined together? 

They combine to make a nice looking roof, it's all automatic.

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