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"McGrandpa" <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote in message 
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> that imps, and all things 'hell' related....including hell... are NOT in 
> this movie?
>
> Even the pinkie demon.... was a virally changed guy nicknamed Pinky :\
>
> Other than that, pretty good sci-fi action movie with The Rock.   Too bad 
> it wasn't....er....Doom.
>
> McG.
> 

On 2/17/2006 7:45 PM pop brightened our day with:
> It was more like doom-3 than the original doom
>
>   
Yeah but Doom 3 was still scary, and still had hell.  I'd like to see a 
movie other than South Park that actually shows hell.  Did anybody here 
see Constantine? 
There's something about the whole, albeit cliched depiction of hell with 
all the symbolism and candles and stuff that gets to me through my 
catholic upbringing.   I will absolutely never forget the summer I spent 
at a camp run by this monastic order where this freaky camp counselor 
read to us from Dante's Inferno every night after lights out, I think I 
was 11. 
Scarred for life.

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"Inglo" <ioo@??.żżż> wrote in message 
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> On 2/17/2006 7:45 PM pop brightened our day with:
>> It was more like doom-3 than the original doom
>>
>>
> Yeah but Doom 3 was still scary, and still had hell.  I'd like to see a 
> movie other than South Park that actually shows hell.  Did anybody here 
> see Constantine? There's something about the whole, albeit cliched 
> depiction of hell with all the symbolism and candles and stuff that gets 
> to me through my catholic upbringing.   I will absolutely never forget the 
> summer I spent at a camp run by this monastic order where this freaky camp 
> counselor read to us from Dante's Inferno every night after lights out, I 
> think I was 11. Scarred for life.
>
> Steve ¤ťIngloŤ¤
> www.inglostadt.com

Didn't see Constantine.  I have seen a few "hell" related flicks.   There 
are lots of 'B' budget variations on the theme.   After a bit of thought, 
almost all that I've seen seem to have a (so-called) catholic hell theme. 
The one that I've seen the entire series to that kinda breaks the mold is 
the Hellraiser movies.   Yeah, it's still in the 'catholic hell theme', but 
with a decidedly Franciscan (dark ages) flavor.   Have you seen these Inglo? 
It's a strong and loooong story.  I think there are four, maybe five now. 
Jaws gave me nightmares.  So did these for a while.  Even Nighmare On Elm 
Streets  Freddy Kruger is a bad apple out of hell.
Doom3 was scary, but at a deep level for me.  Seeing the woman lying on the 
floor, dying.... and the Lost Soul rips out of her head... that one got to 
me.  The movie Doom had the right 'entry level' creatures.  For the wrong 
reasons.  The story was changed fundamentally.  Call it 'Doom Lite', if you 
will.
McG. 

On 2/18/2006 1:22 PM McGrandpa brightened our day with:
> "Inglo" <ioo@??.¿¿¿> wrote in message 
> news:LOGJf.34835$H71.4826@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>   
>> On 2/17/2006 7:45 PM pop brightened our day with:
>>     
>>> It was more like doom-3 than the original doom
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> Yeah but Doom 3 was still scary, and still had hell.  I'd like to see a 
>> movie other than South Park that actually shows hell.  Did anybody here 
>> see Constantine? There's something about the whole, albeit cliched 
>> depiction of hell with all the symbolism and candles and stuff that gets 
>> to me through my catholic upbringing.   I will absolutely never forget the 
>> summer I spent at a camp run by this monastic order where this freaky camp 
>> counselor read to us from Dante's Inferno every night after lights out, I 
>> think I was 11. Scarred for life.
>>
>> Steve ¤»Inglo«¤
>> www.inglostadt.com
>>     
>
> Didn't see Constantine.  I have seen a few "hell" related flicks.   There 
> are lots of 'B' budget variations on the theme.   After a bit of thought, 
> almost all that I've seen seem to have a (so-called) catholic hell theme. 
> The one that I've seen the entire series to that kinda breaks the mold is 
> the Hellraiser movies.   Yeah, it's still in the 'catholic hell theme', but 
> with a decidedly Franciscan (dark ages) flavor.   Have you seen these Inglo? 
> It's a strong and loooong story.  I think there are four, maybe five now. 
> Jaws gave me nightmares.  So did these for a while.  Even Nighmare On Elm 
> Streets  Freddy Kruger is a bad apple out of hell.
> Doom3 was scary, but at a deep level for me.  Seeing the woman lying on the 
> floor, dying.... and the Lost Soul rips out of her head... that one got to 
> me.  The movie Doom had the right 'entry level' creatures.  For the wrong 
> reasons.  The story was changed fundamentally.  Call it 'Doom Lite', if you 
> will.
> McG. 
>
>
>   
I saw the first Hellraiser movie at a drive-in a long time ago.  I seem 
to remember that as being mostly S&M, kinky sex stuff in a demonic kind 
of way.
 From what I've read Constantine is not supposed to be that good of a 
movie but the visuals are supposed to be disturbing and scary.  With the 
level of CG sophistication nowadays I think hell would be an interesting 
thing to depict in a movie.   If you did hell right you'd end up with a 
NC-17 rating though.  
The scariest part of Doom 3 for me was fairly early when you walk into 
an office to get a pda and it's covered with blood and pentagrams and 
has candles burning, as soon as you pick up the pda, the cackling 
starts.  Up until that point I'd been playing D3 late at night with all 
the lights out.  What's I find interesting is that none of that stuff 
should really have an effect on me any more, I don't believe in any of 
it, yet it does.  On the other hand a game like F.E.A.R., which was 
spooky enough, didn't come close to evoking the kind of response from me 
that Doom 3 did. 

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answers which might be wrong"

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"Inglo" <ioo@??.żżż> wrote in message 
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> On 2/18/2006 1:22 PM McGrandpa brightened our day with:
>> "Inglo" <ioo@??.żżż> wrote in message 
>> news:LOGJf.34835$H71.4826@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>>
>>> On 2/17/2006 7:45 PM pop brightened our day with:
>>>
>>>> It was more like doom-3 than the original doom
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Yeah but Doom 3 was still scary, and still had hell.  I'd like to see a 
>>> movie other than South Park that actually shows hell.  Did anybody here 
>>> see Constantine? There's something about the whole, albeit cliched 
>>> depiction of hell with all the symbolism and candles and stuff that gets 
>>> to me through my catholic upbringing.   I will absolutely never forget 
>>> the summer I spent at a camp run by this monastic order where this 
>>> freaky camp counselor read to us from Dante's Inferno every night after 
>>> lights out, I think I was 11. Scarred for life.
>>>
>>> Steve ¤ťIngloŤ¤
>>> www.inglostadt.com
>>>
>>
>> Didn't see Constantine.  I have seen a few "hell" related flicks.   There 
>> are lots of 'B' budget variations on the theme.   After a bit of thought, 
>> almost all that I've seen seem to have a (so-called) catholic hell theme. 
>> The one that I've seen the entire series to that kinda breaks the mold is 
>> the Hellraiser movies.   Yeah, it's still in the 'catholic hell theme', 
>> but with a decidedly Franciscan (dark ages) flavor.   Have you seen these 
>> Inglo? It's a strong and loooong story.  I think there are four, maybe 
>> five now. Jaws gave me nightmares.  So did these for a while.  Even 
>> Nighmare On Elm Streets  Freddy Kruger is a bad apple out of hell.
>> Doom3 was scary, but at a deep level for me.  Seeing the woman lying on 
>> the floor, dying.... and the Lost Soul rips out of her head... that one 
>> got to me.  The movie Doom had the right 'entry level' creatures.  For 
>> the wrong reasons.  The story was changed fundamentally.  Call it 'Doom 
>> Lite', if you will.
>> McG.
>>
>>
> I saw the first Hellraiser movie at a drive-in a long time ago.  I seem to 
> remember that as being mostly S&M, kinky sex stuff in a demonic kind of 
> way.
> From what I've read Constantine is not supposed to be that good of a movie 
> but the visuals are supposed to be disturbing and scary.  With the level 
> of CG sophistication nowadays I think hell would be an interesting thing 
> to depict in a movie.   If you did hell right you'd end up with a NC-17 
> rating though.

And everyone has a different take on *what* hell IS.   You mentioned Dantes' 
Inferno.   Brings to mind an impressionist painter of our time.  Max.   Some 
of the things he paints can be unnerving.  rendition of the moveable feast, 
for example.  or his idea of the last supper.
I think the "noisome pit" aspect has been run to the ground.

> The scariest part of Doom 3 for me was fairly early when you walk into an 
> office to get a pda and it's covered with blood and pentagrams and has 
> candles burning, as soon as you pick up the pda, the cackling starts.  Up 
> until that point I'd been playing D3 late at night with all the lights 
> out.  What's I find interesting is that none of that stuff should really 
> have an effect on me any more, I don't believe in any of it, yet it does.

Our early teachings are very hard to walk away from, no matter what our 
sensibilities say.    some of these early religious teachings become some of 
our most fundamental beliefs, and defy language.  They're about feelings and 
memories.  knowledge and understanding came later.

  On the other hand a game like F.E.A.R., which was
> spooky enough, didn't come close to evoking the kind of response from me 
> that Doom 3 did.

Well, same here, about FEAR not getting the same level of response Doom3 
does.  *STILL* does.   I have ROE now, and will play it through as slowly as 
i did the main game.   Fascinating application :)   Yeah, common type 
elements, and you know the "bOo" factors ahead of time.  They still spook me 
:)  I feel the hair on my neck move, skin tingles....[THUNK] zombie hits me 
with a stilson.  Their timing is great :)

I *REALLY* want to see it totally maxed out, in Ultra quality, 1280x1024 and 
smooth as silk without any hitches.   Got a 7800GTX256 now.  The other is 
due by end of the week ;)

Doom3 has an interesting idea of hell.    You should see the first THREE 
hellraiser movies.  You haven't been introduced to Leviathan yet....heh! 
With the first 3, you got pretty much all the good parts and info.  They do 
'explore' some of the stranger parts of the human psyche I think.   There 
are some good stories and reveals you haven't seen.  Pretty good as a whole.

FEAR is more interesting now that i have a more realistic level of detail.
>
> -- 
> "I think it's much more interesting to live not knowing than to have 
> answers which might be wrong"
>
> Richard P. Feynman
>
> Steve ¤ťIngloŤ¤
> www.inglostadt.com

McG. 

Inglo wrote:
> On 2/17/2006 7:45 PM pop brightened our day with:
>> It was more like doom-3 than the original doom
>>
>>
> Yeah but Doom 3 was still scary, and still had hell.  I'd like to see
> a movie other than South Park that actually shows hell.

You probably can't depict hell in a modern movie as it will be considered 
insulting to some maniacal religious extremists. 

Inglo wrote:
> The scariest part of Doom 3 for me was fairly early when you walk into
> an office to get a pda and it's covered with blood and pentagrams and
> has candles burning, as soon as you pick up the pda, the cackling
> starts.  Up until that point I'd been playing D3 late at night with
> all the lights out.  What's I find interesting is that none of that
> stuff should really have an effect on me any more, I don't believe in
> any of it, yet it does.  On the other hand a game like F.E.A.R.,
> which was spooky enough, didn't come close to evoking the kind of
> response from me that Doom 3 did.

I know exactly what you mean. Doom 3 scares the shit out of me every time I
play it. Yet right from my very earliest childhood I was taught that there
was no such thing as hell, no fire and brimstone or eternal torment or *any*
of that stuff.
FEAR is creepy, but nowhere near as much as Doom 3.

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Grumps wrote:
> Inglo wrote:
>> On 2/17/2006 7:45 PM pop brightened our day with:
>>> It was more like doom-3 than the original doom
>>>
>>>
>> Yeah but Doom 3 was still scary, and still had hell.  I'd like to see
>> a movie other than South Park that actually shows hell.
>
> You probably can't depict hell in a modern movie as it will be
> considered insulting to some maniacal religious extremists.

Yeah, and sadly one of those extremists is running the US... so any
depiction of hell like it was in Doom 3, the movie would probably be banned
before release and its makers detained under the Patriot Act...

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"EvilBill" <quake2lives@gmail.com> wrote in message 
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> Grumps wrote:
>> Inglo wrote:
>>> On 2/17/2006 7:45 PM pop brightened our day with:
>>>> It was more like doom-3 than the original doom
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Yeah but Doom 3 was still scary, and still had hell.  I'd like to see
>>> a movie other than South Park that actually shows hell.
>>
>> You probably can't depict hell in a modern movie as it will be
>> considered insulting to some maniacal religious extremists.
>
> Yeah, and sadly one of those extremists is running the US... so any
> depiction of hell like it was in Doom 3, the movie would probably be 
> banned
> before release and its makers detained under the Patriot Act...

oh horsepucky BILL!  gad!    hell I'm leaving you folks and gwb alone. 
Meanwhile...TAKE clinton....PLEASE!
McG.

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McGrandpa wrote:
> "EvilBill" <quake2lives@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > Yeah, and sadly one of those extremists is running the US... so any
> > depiction of hell like it was in Doom 3, the movie would probably be
> > banned
> > before release and its makers detained under the Patriot Act...
>
> oh horsepucky BILL!  gad!    hell I'm leaving you folks and gwb alone.
> Meanwhile...TAKE clinton....PLEASE!
> McG.

Gotta agree with McG.  At least our current Commander in Chief is
trying to do a job the former one ignored.

On 02/19/06 9:29 PM, thumper@magpage.com wrote:

> Gotta agree with McG.  At least our current Commander in Chief is
> trying to do a job the former one ignored.

Sleeping with the woman he married?

Oh wait, that's not entirely true; I'm sure Clinton wants to sleep with
the woman GWB married, too...

:-D

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On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 23:20:12 -0500, Chris Odorjan <codorjan@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On 02/19/06 9:29 PM, thumper@magpage.com wrote:
>
>> Gotta agree with McG.  At least our current Commander in Chief is
>> trying to do a job the former one ignored.
>
>Sleeping with the woman he married?
>
>Oh wait, that's not entirely true; I'm sure Clinton wants to sleep with
>the woman GWB married, too...
>
>:-D

Well, (with Hillary hot on the campagn trail) he does have a lot of
free time on his hands..

Wonder if Ms. Anan's considered a "hottie?" :-0

Hey, what's not to like?  Torture, gulags, an illegal war and the trashing 
of the constitution.  It's all fun!

G.
"EvilBill" <quake2lives@gmail.com> wrote in message 
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> Grumps wrote:
>> Inglo wrote:
>>> On 2/17/2006 7:45 PM pop brightened our day with:
>>>> It was more like doom-3 than the original doom
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Yeah but Doom 3 was still scary, and still had hell.  I'd like to see
>>> a movie other than South Park that actually shows hell.
>>
>> You probably can't depict hell in a modern movie as it will be
>> considered insulting to some maniacal religious extremists.
>
> Yeah, and sadly one of those extremists is running the US... so any
> depiction of hell like it was in Doom 3, the movie would probably be 
> banned
> before release and its makers detained under the Patriot Act...
>
> -- 
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>
> EvilBill - http://www.evilbill.org.uk
> yahoo: evilbill_agqx
>
> 

On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:48:22 -0500, "George M. Reagan"
<georgeunderscorereagan@hellmail.com> wrote:

>Hey, what's not to like?  Torture, gulags, an illegal war and the trashing 
>of the constitution.  It's all fun!
>
>G.

Yeah, but all that's still better than getting your ass blown to
shreds just because you refuse to (be forced to) embrace another
ethnic groups supposed deity. 

On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:14:39 -0500, thumper <thumper@magpage.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:48:22 -0500, "George M. Reagan"
><georgeunderscorereagan@hellmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Hey, what's not to like?  Torture, gulags, an illegal war and the trashing 
>>of the constitution.  It's all fun!
>>
>>G.
>
>Yeah, but all that's still better than getting your ass blown to
>shreds just because you refuse to (be forced to) embrace another
>ethnic groups supposed deity. 

Besides, the Constitution has been getting trampled (and shit on)
pretty regularly *LONG* before this current Presidential
administration took back the reigns of power, Einstein.

Didn't your pathetic liberal public school political science teachers
teach you anything, Brainiac?  >:-(

thumper wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:48:22 -0500, "George M. Reagan"
> <georgeunderscorereagan@hellmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey, what's not to like?  Torture, gulags, an illegal war and the
>> trashing of the constitution.  It's all fun!
>>
>> G.
>
> Yeah, but all that's still better than getting your ass blown to
> shreds just because you refuse to (be forced to) embrace another
> ethnic groups supposed deity.

And Iraq had exactly *what* to do with bin Laden, and exactly *what*
capability to wage war against *anybody*?
WMD my ass.

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On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 00:40:46 +0000, EvilBill wrote:

> And Iraq had exactly *what* to do with bin Laden, and exactly *what*
> capability to wage war against *anybody*?

How about against it's own people?

> WMD my ass.

Tell that to the Kurds.

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On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 00:40:46 -0000, "EvilBill" <quake2lives@gmail.com>
wrote:

>thumper wrote:
>> On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:48:22 -0500, "George M. Reagan"
>> <georgeunderscorereagan@hellmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey, what's not to like?  Torture, gulags, an illegal war and the
>>> trashing of the constitution.  It's all fun!
>>>
>>> G.
>>
>> Yeah, but all that's still better than getting your ass blown to
>> shreds just because you refuse to (be forced to) embrace another
>> ethnic groups supposed deity.
>
>And Iraq had exactly *what* to do with bin Laden, and exactly *what*
>capability to wage war against *anybody*?
>WMD my ass.

Who T.F. said the above statement had anything to do with Iraq,
Genius?

Saddam sure as hell didn't fly those airliners into the WTC (He might
have danced about it afterwards upon hearing the news of it happening
though).  

Goddamn, you left wing Bush haters sure are a touchy lot. :-/ 

On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 02:35:58 GMT, "McGrandpa" <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote:

>that imps, and all things 'hell' related....including hell... are NOT in 
>this movie?
>
>Even the pinkie demon.... was a virally changed guy nicknamed Pinky :\
>
>Other than that, pretty good sci-fi action movie with The Rock.   Too bad it 
>wasn't....er....Doom.
>
>McG. 
>

A pretty good simulation of Hell seems to exist in wading through semi-serious political
flamewars in games newsgroups...that and primetime network television.

Or maybe not...I'm a bit agnostic about much of the Catholic concept of Hell myself...and now
that I think about it, I'm a bit agnostic about American politics as well...same difference when
you get down to it, I suppose.

I wish I weren't so damn busy all the time.  I miss you guys.

...well, most of you guys...

NM

 :)

I just got the Doom movie DVD... widescreen and unrated extended version...I hope it's not the
same sort of thing as when I tell my wife I'm widescreen, extended, and unrated 'cuz that's
usually total bullsheet.
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On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 09:17:17 -0600, Apathy
<apathy@NOSPAMp0rn0finish.org> wrote:
>
>A pretty good simulation of Hell seems to exist in wading through semi-serious political
>flamewars in games newsgroups...that and primetime network television.

Might as well fight about politics in the Doom newsgroups since the
movie sucked ass and the latest incarnation of the game is too dark to
play. 

thumper wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 00:40:46 -0000, "EvilBill" <quake2lives@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> thumper wrote:
>>> On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:48:22 -0500, "George M. Reagan"
>>> <georgeunderscorereagan@hellmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey, what's not to like?  Torture, gulags, an illegal war and the
>>>> trashing of the constitution.  It's all fun!
>>>>
>>>> G.
>>>
>>> Yeah, but all that's still better than getting your ass blown to
>>> shreds just because you refuse to (be forced to) embrace another
>>> ethnic groups supposed deity.
>>
>> And Iraq had exactly *what* to do with bin Laden, and exactly *what*
>> capability to wage war against *anybody*?
>> WMD my ass.
>
> Who T.F. said the above statement had anything to do with Iraq,
> Genius?
>
> Saddam sure as hell didn't fly those airliners into the WTC (He might
> have danced about it afterwards upon hearing the news of it happening
> though).
>

So why did we invade the place?
As for bin Laden, he doesn't hate the West because we're not Muslims, he
just uses Islam as a platform for his political views. He hates the West
because 1) we aid Israel and 2) we helped engineer the circumstances that
put Saddam in power. He and Saddam were mortal enemies after all,
politically speaking.

> Goddamn, you left wing Bush haters sure are a touchy lot. :-/

Blair hater, in my case, being British. You guys over there probably don't
hear a lot about what's happening here, but we're having more and more of
our civil liberties eroded, by a government that just kowtows to whatever
the US wants. And turns a blind eye to torture and imprisonment without
legal recourse, too. (Hell, they do it themselves, too...)

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"EvilBill" <quake2lives@gmail.com> writes:

> So why did we invade the place?

So we could end the sanctions and get our army out of Saudi Arabia.
One of bin Laden's reasons for 9/11 was "a million innocent children
are dying at this time as we speak, killed in Iraq without any guilt".
The presence of our military in Saudi Arabia was another stated reason
for the attack.  But we couldn't leave Saudi Arabia while Iraq was
still a threat.

> As for bin Laden, he doesn't hate the West because we're not
> Muslims, he just uses Islam as a platform for his political views.

Try searching for "bin laden caliphate" and you might change your
mind.

> He hates the West because 1) we aid Israel and 2) we helped engineer
> the circumstances that put Saddam in power. He and Saddam were
> mortal enemies after all, politically speaking.

Read this and say that:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=8887

Now, when are you going to come over to TK's server and play some
threewave with us?

HE_HATE_ME wrote:
> "EvilBill" <quake2lives@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> So why did we invade the place?
>
> So we could end the sanctions and get our army out of Saudi Arabia.
> One of bin Laden's reasons for 9/11 was "a million innocent children
> are dying at this time as we speak, killed in Iraq without any guilt".
> The presence of our military in Saudi Arabia was another stated reason
> for the attack.  But we couldn't leave Saudi Arabia while Iraq was
> still a threat.
>

Threat, no. Minor annoyance, maybe. In the end, nothing justifies the tens
of thousands of innocent civilians bombed, tortured, blown up and gunned
down there. Personally I suspect a surgical strike by the SAS could've taken
out Bin Laden and his cronies *years* ago without all this destruction.
To say nothing of the *British* forces that the US bombed during the initial
invasion! :P

>> He hates the West because 1) we aid Israel and 2) we helped engineer
>> the circumstances that put Saddam in power. He and Saddam were
>> mortal enemies after all, politically speaking.
>
> Read this and say that:
>
> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=8887
>

This is from the same intelligence services that said Saddam had nukes and
nerve gas ready to launch at the West within 45 minutes, though. I'd sooner
send my girlfriend out to fight in Iraq than believe anything they have to
say.

> Now, when are you going to come over to TK's server and play some
> threewave with us?

When I get around to reinstalling Q3, get some free time, and have the IP ;)

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On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 18:58:21 -0000, "EvilBill" <quake2lives@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>This is from the same intelligence services that said Saddam had nukes and
>nerve gas ready to launch at the West within 45 minutes, though. I'd sooner
>send my girlfriend out to fight in Iraq than believe anything they have to
>say.

So, let me get this straight here then.  Whatever facts the
"warmongers" report as the truth regarding the invasion of Iraq is
highly questionable and suspect, but whatever facts the "pacifists"
present as the truth concerning the same subject can be relied on with
100% certainty?

A-yup. :-/

On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 21:28:22 -0500, thumper wrote:

>>This is from the same intelligence services that said Saddam had nukes and
>>nerve gas ready to launch at the West within 45 minutes, though. I'd sooner
>>send my girlfriend out to fight in Iraq than believe anything they have to
>>say.
 
> So, let me get this straight here then.  Whatever facts the
> "warmongers" report as the truth regarding the invasion of Iraq is
> highly questionable and suspect, but whatever facts the "pacifists"
> present as the truth concerning the same subject can be relied on with
> 100% certainty?

Yup, that's a good summary of the way the current Left-Wing liberal
whackos think.  It would almost be comical if it wasn't so pathetic.

Everything is Bush's fault.  Right...

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thumper wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 18:58:21 -0000, "EvilBill" <quake2lives@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> This is from the same intelligence services that said Saddam had
>> nukes and nerve gas ready to launch at the West within 45 minutes,
>> though. I'd sooner send my girlfriend out to fight in Iraq than
>> believe anything they have to say.
>
> So, let me get this straight here then.  Whatever facts the
> "warmongers" report as the truth regarding the invasion of Iraq is
> highly questionable and suspect, but whatever facts the "pacifists"
> present as the truth concerning the same subject can be relied on with
> 100% certainty?
>

Nope. I just don't believe what *anybody* says. That way I'm never
disappointed when it all turns out to be lies, misinformation, propaganda or
just plain wrong.

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Dan C wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 21:28:22 -0500, thumper wrote:
>
>>> This is from the same intelligence services that said Saddam had
>>> nukes and nerve gas ready to launch at the West within 45 minutes,
>>> though. I'd sooner send my girlfriend out to fight in Iraq than
>>> believe anything they have to say.
>
>> So, let me get this straight here then.  Whatever facts the
>> "warmongers" report as the truth regarding the invasion of Iraq is
>> highly questionable and suspect, but whatever facts the "pacifists"
>> present as the truth concerning the same subject can be relied on
>> with 100% certainty?
>
> Yup, that's a good summary of the way the current Left-Wing liberal
> whackos think.  It would almost be comical if it wasn't so pathetic.
>
> Everything is Bush's fault.  Right...

You know, I think you're all missing one crucial piece of information here:
I'm not American, ergo not affiliated or going along with *any* of your
political parties or establishments. <g>

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On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 15:45:53 +0000, EvilBill wrote:

>> Yup, that's a good summary of the way the current Left-Wing liberal
>> whackos think.  It would almost be comical if it wasn't so pathetic.
>> Everything is Bush's fault.  Right...
 
> You know, I think you're all missing one crucial piece of information here:
> I'm not American, ergo not affiliated or going along with *any* of your
> political parties or establishments. <g>

You don't have to be an American to be a left-wing liberal whacko.

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Dan C wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 15:45:53 +0000, EvilBill wrote:
>
>>> Yup, that's a good summary of the way the current Left-Wing liberal
>>> whackos think.  It would almost be comical if it wasn't so pathetic.
>>> Everything is Bush's fault.  Right...
>
>> You know, I think you're all missing one crucial piece of
>> information here: I'm not American, ergo not affiliated or going
>> along with *any* of your political parties or establishments. <g>
>
> You don't have to be an American to be a left-wing liberal whacko.

True. But I don't think it's justifiable to call someone a 'whacko' for
being opposed to unprovoked invasions and the removal of civil rights.
(Guantanamo, anyone? Most of the people in *there* are innocent...)

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On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:20:25 +0000, EvilBill wrote:

>> You don't have to be an American to be a left-wing liberal whacko.
 
> True. But I don't think it's justifiable to call someone a 'whacko' for
> being opposed to unprovoked invasions and the removal of civil rights.

It is when the people making all the noise are doing it *ONLY* for
political reasons, not their own beliefs, and doing nothing but attacking
the conservative side (while offering no realistic solutions to anything).

> (Guantanamo, anyone? Most of the people in *there* are innocent...)

Perhaps *some* are, but I doubt the term *most*.  Besides, you weren't
talking about Gitmo in the earlier posts.

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Dan C wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:20:25 +0000, EvilBill wrote:
>
>>> You don't have to be an American to be a left-wing liberal whacko.
>
>> True. But I don't think it's justifiable to call someone a 'whacko'
>> for being opposed to unprovoked invasions and the removal of civil
>> rights.
>
> It is when the people making all the noise are doing it *ONLY* for
> political reasons, not their own beliefs, and doing nothing but
> attacking the conservative side (while offering no realistic
> solutions to anything).
>

Well, my beliefs are summed up quite nicely by this quote from - I think -
Benjamin Franklin - 'Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve
neither'. The continual erosion of civil rights in the US and UK is utterly
unacceptable. And in the wider world, isn't it odd that a lot more people
hate us now since we started our rampage across the Middle East?

As for Bin Laden (and Saddam, for that matter), IMO a surgical strike by
special forces would have achieved the objectives of getting rid of al'Qaida
and the Saddam administration far more quickly with a minimum of civilian
casualties. Full-scale invasions and wars were not necessary.

>> (Guantanamo, anyone? Most of the people in *there* are innocent...)
>
> Perhaps *some* are, but I doubt the term *most*.  Besides, you weren't
> talking about Gitmo in the earlier posts.

No, I wasn't, but it is all part of the same situation. The four British
prisoners who were eventually released, three of them were arrested in
Pakistan after going there to attend a wedding (one of the guys was the
groom!) and the other was there to attend an Arabic language course.
(It seems as well that US forces were crossing the border into Pakistan to
arrest these people. Isn't this a violation of Pakistani sovereignty?)

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"EvilBill" <quake2lives@gmail.com> writes:

> As for Bin Laden (and Saddam, for that matter), IMO a surgical strike by
> special forces would have achieved the objectives of getting rid of al'Qaida
> and the Saddam administration far more quickly with a minimum of civilian
> casualties. Full-scale invasions and wars were not necessary.

You seem to be saying that our intelligence agencies are worthless and
have no credibility, yet we know bin Laden's exact location and could
take him out any time we like.

But I like your stategy.  One lone marine goes in and takes out the
Cyberdemon, er bin Laden.  It sounds like a great game!  Or even
better, one marine vs. Cyber bin Laden!  Someone should tell Carmack
to get to work on it.

/me thinks about it...

No, Cyber bin Laden should be the sequel.  The first one should be
regular bin Laden.