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Started by g... George A. Hebert
Fri, 14 Jan 1994 20:08
Whats a NextStep/Intel?
Author: g... George A. Hebert
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 1994 20:08
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 1994 20:08
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The title say's it all. Thanks George
Re: Whats a NextStep/Intel?
Author: leh... Ray Stingray Lehtiniemi
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 1994 00:29
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 1994 00:29
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g...@ccd.harris.com (George A. Hebert) writes: >The title say's it all. nextstep is an operating system. it kicks anything else out there right now. originally it was only available on next boxes, but when next went out of the hardware business, they ported it to run on intel chips. hence the name :-) -- vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv | My opinion, my whole opinion, | Ray Lehtiniemi | | and nothing but my opinion. | leh...@bode.ee.ualberta.ca | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Re: Whats a NextStep/Intel?
Author: mc... Ken McGlothlen
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 1994 00:41
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 1994 00:41
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scott.m...@dartmouth.edu (Scott M. Silver) writes: | leh...@ee.ualberta.ca (Ray 'Stingray' Lehtiniemi) writes: | > nextstep is an operating system. it kicks anything else out there right | > now. | | Oh yeah, it really screams??? From the reviews I've read it barely runs on a | 16 mb machine, has little software available for it, but does sport a spiffy | interface! | | I personally don't think it 'kicks anything else' as far as speed goes Gee, Scott. I don't think Ray mentioned anything about speed. NeXTstep is, quite simply, one of the best, most amazing object-oriented development environments available on the market today. I'm getting a NeXTstep/Intel box myself here within a couple of days, and I'm notoriously picky about what sort of systems I'll actually buy. NS does have some disadvantages---it does require a lot of memory, and there is little software available (and most of what *is* available costs a lot)---but its advantages are astounding. We aren't talking MS-DOS, Windows, or even Windows NT. We're talking a full-featured Mach-based Unix, a multiwindow display system utilitizing PostScript for imaging, a range of objects, a built-in WSYIWYG editor, a compiler (C, C++, Objective C) in a complete visually oriented development environment, and . . . well, all the things that Unix is. Multiuser. Reasonably portable source code. The lack of software isn't so bad; it's so easy to write software on the NeXT that . . . well, it's almost embarrassingly easy. And because of a package called SoftPC, you can run most PC software (okay, slightly slower than under DOS) anyway. NS is amazing. Don't knock it too badly. After all, even Windows NT barely runs in 16MB of RAM. :) ---Ken McGlothlen mc...@cpac.washington.edu mcglk@cpac.bitnet
Re: Whats a NextStep/Intel?
Author: tr... Plant a tree today ---
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 1994 02:37
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 1994 02:37
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George A. Hebert (g...@ccd.harris.com) wrote: : The title say's it all. : Thanks : George Gee George, whats a CCD array and how's it used? =:*) You need to try to get out more often (or perhaps stay in). (sorry George, couldn't resist; I'm used to better questions from Harris employees) -- <<|>><<|>><<|>><<|>><<|>><<|>><<|>><<|>><<|>><<|>><<|>><<|>><<|>><<|>><<|>> The Tree ----:*] || Microsoft Windows NT, "the RAPID Test Group || greatest kludge of an OS since KLA Instruments Corp. San Jose, CA || the release of Windows 3.1". =============================<Disclaimer>================================== || Any similarity between my opinions and those of KLA Instruments is || || purely a coincidence and will never happen again I solemnly swear! || ===========================================================================
Re: Whats a NextStep/Intel?
Author: scott.m... Scott M. Silver
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 1994 05:50
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 1994 05:50
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In article <lehtin.758766553@nyquist> leh...@ee.ualberta.ca (Ray 'Stingray' Lehtiniemi) writes: > nextstep is an operating system. it kicks anything else out there right > now. Oh yeah, it really screams??? From the reviews I've read it barely runs on a 16 mb machine, has little software available for it, but does sport a spiffy interface! I personally don't think it 'kicks anything else' as far as speed goes Scott M. Silver Dartmouth College
Re: Whats a NextStep/Intel?
Author: Wesley C. Smith
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 1994 16:15
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 1994 16:15
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>>Oh yeah, it really screams??? From the reviews I've read it barely >>runs on a 16 mb machine, has little software available for it, but does >>sport a spiffy interface! >I personally don't think it 'kicks anything else' as far as speed goes It does kick anything else if you want to get any real work done (For games stick to DOS). If you are running NEXTSTEP/Intel in color you should put AT LEAST 24MB of RAM in your machine. I have 40MB in my PC and NEXTSTEP runs quite nicely. If you can't afford a reasonable amount of memory, it will run A LOT better in 2 bit gray-scale mode instead of color. The only time my PC runs anything but NEXTSTEP is when it's running DOOM. Wes Smith w...@arissoft.com MIME and NeXTmail ok
Re: Whats a NextStep/Intel?
Author: gr... Greywalker
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 1994 17:00
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 1994 17:00
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40 meg is a "reasonable" amount of memory? I guess if I had $2000 to piss away I'd have 40 meg too, but until then 8 meg and OS/2 will work quite nicely. Gee, I even get some "real" work done, too. Greywalker -- ****************************************************************************** The (In)famous Greywalker!! (gr...@gibbs.oit.unc.edu ; greyw...@aol.com) The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill "This quote under construction..."
Re: Whats a NextStep/Intel?
Author: leh... Ray Stingray Lehtiniemi
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 1994 20:30
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 1994 20:30
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scott.m...@dartmouth.edu (Scott M. Silver) writes: >In article <lehtin.758766553@nyquist> >leh...@ee.ualberta.ca (Ray 'Stingray' Lehtiniemi) writes: >> nextstep is an operating system. it kicks anything else out there right >> now. >Oh yeah, it really screams??? From the reviews I've read it barely >runs on a 16 mb machine, has little software available for it, but does >sport a spiffy interface! >I personally don't think it 'kicks anything else' as far as speed goes yah, it's truly a huge system. speed wise, you're right, it sucks. the thing is, it's exactly what cairo/chicago/nt/pink/everybodyelse is going to be five years from now. it's the *best* interface around, period. it's the most integrated environment around, period. if you have the necessary hardware, i still say it kicks anything else. ray -- vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv | My opinion, my whole opinion, | Ray Lehtiniemi | | and nothing but my opinion. | leh...@bode.ee.ualberta.ca | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Re: Whats a NextStep/Intel?
Author: kcou... Kevin Cousins
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 1994 05:25
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 1994 05:25
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> We're talking a full-featured Mach-based Unix, ... Without having actually seen an NSI box [how's that for a disclaimer], is it not also true that you get a complete set of the sorts of utilities you'd expect on a 'full-featured' unix workstation? Emacs as an editor (if you like that sort of thing, which I do), and heaps of other GNU utilities--- True or false? --Kevin. -- --- When you are up to your arse in crocodiles, it is difficult to remind yourself that your main objective was to drain the swamp! - Anon.
Re: Whats a NextStep/Intel?
Author: Wesley C. Smith
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 1994 23:19
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 1994 23:19
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>40 meg is a "reasonable" amount of memory? I guess if I had $2000 to piss >away I'd have 40 meg too, but until then 8 meg and OS/2 will work quite >nicely. Gee, I even get some "real" work done, too. I didn't say 40MB was a reasonable amount of memory for everyone. I used NEXTSTEP on a machine with only 8MB for over year. However for what I use computers for now 40MB is "reasonable", or a little on the low side. :-) I have used NEXTSTEP to Edit 20MB files and Play/Edit up to 65MB sound files. I don't know how well that would work on OS/2 with 8MB, but with NEXTSTEP its a lot faster with 40MB instead of 8MB. Every day I compile megabytes of source code while the computer sends/receives e-mail and faxes, and while I have it running at least 5 other programs. My time is worth some money to me. 32MB of RAM only cost me $1,200, which is well worth the amount of time/frustration it saves me. Some of us would rather "piss" away a little money than a LOT of time. Wes Smith w...@arissoft.com MIME and NeXTmail ok
Re: Whats a NextStep/Intel?
Author: dgar... Don Garrett
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 22:42
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 22:42
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: > We're talking a full-featured Mach-based Unix, ... Um, sort of. It's based on Mach 2.x (I forget, the revision). Unfortunatly Mach's best stuff was all added in version 3. I was prepping to buy NS/I until a Next representative explained this to me. I was really hacked, and finally ended up just running Linux. It was cheaper (free) and gives much better performance on the hardware I can afford. (486-33 with 12MB, 500M drive, ATI-GUP(2M)). -- Don Garrett Louisiana Tech dgar...@engr.latech.edu University http://info.latech.edu/~dgarrett/Home_Page.html
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