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Allen wrote:
> 
> I love Diablo, can't get enough of it.  But being sensitive to excessive
> mouse use, I'm starting to suffer from the effects of too much clicking.
> 
> To the folks at Blizzard, if you could modify the game to help reduce the
> use of unnecessary mouse clicks, I'd appreciate it.  For instance, in town
> I hate the tiny scroll bars when conversing with the blacksmith, witch,
> etc..  The up/down buttons are very tiny, and I hate having to repeatedly
> click on them to scroll down the list.  I want them to work like other
> scroll bars where I can click and hold the mouse button and the lists of
> items will automatically scroll.  Think your programmers can handle this?


     Just FYI, you can use the arrow keys on your keyboard for scrolling
through lists. You can also use the ENTER key to select items you wish
to purchase. You don't need to use your mouse at all when interacting
with people in the town. I hope this helps you out.

Gordon Wilson
gkwi...@ix.netcom.com
IronWill on battle.net and KALI

On Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:49:00 -0700, Gordon K Wilson
<gkwi...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>Allen wrote:
>> 
>> I love Diablo, can't get enough of it.  But being sensitive to excessive
>> mouse use, I'm starting to suffer from the effects of too much clicking.

As I work on a computer pretty much all day, I've developed the same
problem.  As far as I'm converned, the mouse has much more potential
to caouse CTS than the keyboard does.  Part of the problem is that I
have fairly big hands -- my palm doesn't rest on the bump of a
microsoft mouse like some other people's do.  My final solution was
twofold: first, I use the keyboard for everything I can (arrow keys
for scrolling, etc.) and second, I went to Computer City and played
with every mouse they had to find the one that I felt I could use
without eventually suffering any hand/wrist pain.  This ended up being
the little logitech two-button mouse as it's the smallest, thinnest
mouse I could find.  This has mostly to do with how I hold a mouse, so
YMMV.  I've even tried various trackballs -- the bigger ones are a
pain for game playing, and the trackman marble has caused me more
problems than anything at all.

Of course the best solution is just to not use the computer or the
mouse for that long, but Diablo _is_ terribly addictive :).

-Sean

Allen wrote:
> 
> I love Diablo, can't get enough of it.  But being sensitive to excessive
> mouse use, I'm starting to suffer from the effects of too much clicking.
> 
> Also, I'm unfamiliar with the gamepads out on the market now.  Can I play
> Diablo with some of the newer pads?  I'd like to use a little joystick on
> a pad to control everything, and program the extra buttons to bring up my
> speedbook, inventory, etc..  Anybody know if this is possible?
> 
> Later ya'll...
> 
> Allen

I am using a Gravis GamePad Pro (10 buttons + 4 on control pad = 14
buttons total). It's real easy to program for keyboard emulation in
windows (includes software), and I use it instead of the keyboard for my
left hand. Only problem is I don't think you can emulate mouse movements
with keyboard commands, so the mouse is still necessary. 


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In article <5cns9k$n...@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM>,
   all...@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (Allen) wrote:
>To the folks at Blizzard, if you could modify the game to help reduce the
>use of unnecessary mouse clicks, I'd appreciate it.  For instance, in town
>I hate the tiny scroll bars when conversing with the blacksmith, witch,
>etc..  The up/down buttons are very tiny, and I hate having to repeatedly
>click on them to scroll down the list.  I want them to work like other
>scroll bars where I can click and hold the mouse button and the lists of
>items will automatically scroll.  Think your programmers can handle this?
>
Well you could always use the arrows keys on your keyboard, and the page up 
and page down keys.

jack...@nca.bbc.co.uk                                             The view expressed above are not
                                                                                     necessarily those of the BBC

ske...@totaltel.com (Sean Kelly) wrote:
//snip//
>...I've even tried various trackballs -- the bigger ones are a
>pain for game playing, and the trackman marble has caused me more
>problems than anything at all.
//snip//
Hmmm, that's interesting.  I moved from a logitech 3button mouse to a
Trackman Marble, and have had excellant results.  I have a fair amount
of cps (I generally wear a wrist brace any extensive typing or
mouse-use), and using a standard mouse all day at work was really
bothering me.  Since I've moved to the marble, my wrists bother me
substantially less; my arm stays relativly motionless & I just use my
thumb.  I even play a pretty good game of Quake using it.
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Allen wrote:
>For instance, in town
> I hate the tiny scroll bars when conversing with the blacksmith, witch,
> etc..  The up/down buttons are very tiny, and I hate having to repeatedly
> click on them to scroll down the list....

you can use the 'page up'/'page down' buttons, which helps a little.

my biggest complaint in town is all the mouse clicking you have
to do just to trek from the blacksmith to the witch to the healer
to the dungeon....


-- 
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> my biggest complaint in town is all the mouse clicking you have
> to do just to trek from the blacksmith to the witch to the healer
> to the dungeon....

What's so bad about 8 clicks?  If you hold down the mouse button, the guy
keeps moving...  Just click, hold, till you get to the store, then click
again to start talking.

> For instance, in town
> I hate the tiny scroll bars when conversing with the blacksmith, witch,
> etc..  The up/down buttons are very tiny, and I hate having to repeatedly
> click on them to scroll down the list.  I want them to work like other
> scroll bars where I can click and hold the mouse button and the lists of
> items will automatically scroll.  Think your programmers can handle this?

Just use the up and down arrows on the keyboard, you can also use page
up/down

tostka <*tos...@minn.net> schrieb im Beitrag <32f5caab...@news.minn.net>...
> ske...@totaltel.com (Sean Kelly) wrote:
> //snip//
> >...I've even tried various trackballs -- the bigger ones are a
> >pain for game playing, and the trackman marble has caused me more
> >problems than anything at all.
> //snip//
> Hmmm, that's interesting.  I moved from a logitech 3button mouse to a
> Trackman Marble, and have had excellant results.  I have a fair amount


Agree 100%!

The Trackman Marble needs a little getting used to but then it is awesome.
Since you need not move your hand/arm/mouse I tend to position much more
quickly and precise. Also it does not hurt your hand if you use it four hours.
Another good point about it (for playing) is that you can do a click orgy without
changing the mouse position accidentally.

Having a well-trained thumb (piano player) helps 'though.

	Andreas Toenne

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I had mild pain with my index finger (too much mouse button clicking). I 
moved to a Kensington Trackball. Seems much better. Being able to click 
with the thumb helps a lot. 

It has four buttons that you can program in very great detail using 
their software drivers. Also doing a chord with the 2 bottom buttons at 
the same time is like another 5th button. BE WARNED, the Kensington 
driver is a problem in some DirectX games. It works fine in Diablo but 
Emporer of the Fading Suns would completely hang my system. An easy work 
around is to just switch to a standard mouse driver and reboot. This 
completely solved the DirectX conflict problem but switching drivers is 
a pain. 

The very best wrist rests I have found are made by Case Logic my 
CompUSA had them. They are pretty cheap and have 2 liquid gel filled 
tubes inside along their lenth. At first they didn't provide enough 
support, some rubber bands fixed that problem easy enough.

Hope this helps,
Nathan

On 1 Feb 1997 14:07:04 GMT, "Andreas T�nne" <ato...@mpi-sb.mpg.de>
wrote:

>tostka <*tos...@minn.net> schrieb im Beitrag <32f5caab...@news.minn.net>...
>> ske...@totaltel.com (Sean Kelly) wrote:
>> //snip//
>> >...I've even tried various trackballs -- the bigger ones are a
>> >pain for game playing, and the trackman marble has caused me more
>> >problems than anything at all.
>> //snip//
>> Hmmm, that's interesting.  I moved from a logitech 3button mouse to a
>> Trackman Marble, and have had excellant results.  I have a fair amount
>
>
>Agree 100%!
>
>The Trackman Marble needs a little getting used to but then it is awesome.
>Since you need not move your hand/arm/mouse I tend to position much more
>quickly and precise. Also it does not hurt your hand if you use it four hours.
>Another good point about it (for playing) is that you can do a click orgy without
>changing the mouse position accidentally.

My problem ended up being that the top of my wrist ended up aching
horribly after using the Trackman Marble for more than a little while.
I really blame this and many of my other mouse problems on my long
fingers (I'm kinda tall and thin) so my hands just don't sit right on
most mice.  I used the Trackman Marble daily for a few months before I
realized that the my wrist ache was just getting worse.  Since I
switched, I've had no problems.  I spent 7 hours playing Diablo a few
weeks ago with the mouse I have now and didn't experience any
discomfort.  Oh well, find what works for you and stay with it :).

-Sean

I'm the guy that started this thread.  After reading lots of responses to
my question, I took the advice of several users and went out and spent
some money this weekend.

I bought a Logitech Marble Trackman and a Gravis Game Pad Pro.  The Marble
Trackman is VERY comfortable for right handed mouse operations, and the
Gravis Game Pad Pro is great for programming keyboard commands and using
it with my left hand.  I also rearranged the furniture in my study, moving
the futon close to the computer desk so I can now recline and comfortably
play Diablo all day long without any discomfort.

Thanks for the suggestions everybody!

Allen "Telecaster"

Allen (all...@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM) wrote:

> I'm the guy that started this thread.  After reading lots of responses to
> my question, I took the advice of several users and went out and spent
> some money this weekend.

> I bought a Logitech Marble Trackman and a Gravis Game Pad Pro.  The Marble
> Trackman is VERY comfortable for right handed mouse operations, and the
> Gravis Game Pad Pro is great for programming keyboard commands and using
> it with my left hand.  I also rearranged the furniture in my study, moving
> the futon close to the computer desk so I can now recline and comfortably
> play Diablo all day long without any discomfort.

> Thanks for the suggestions everybody!

> Allen "Telecaster"

Has anyone tried the Cirque pad or something? I'm using it now and I think
it's great. I just found it strange that everyone was talking about
trackballs only....

On 13 Feb 1997 21:46:10 GMT, m...@chat.carleton.ca (Mark Ip) wrote:

>Allen (all...@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM) wrote:
>
>> I'm the guy that started this thread.  After reading lots of responses to
>> my question, I took the advice of several users and went out and spent
>> some money this weekend.
>
>> I bought a Logitech Marble Trackman and a Gravis Game Pad Pro.  The Marble
>> Trackman is VERY comfortable for right handed mouse operations, and the
>> Gravis Game Pad Pro is great for programming keyboard commands and using
>> it with my left hand.  I also rearranged the furniture in my study, moving
>> the futon close to the computer desk so I can now recline and comfortably
>> play Diablo all day long without any discomfort.
>
>> Thanks for the suggestions everybody!
>
>> Allen "Telecaster"
>
>Has anyone tried the Cirque pad or something? I'm using it now and I think
>it's great. I just found it strange that everyone was talking about
>trackballs only....
I solved this problem years ago.  Just find a big old comfy wingback
chair somewhere.  Peel the covering off the mouse hand chair arm and
build a nice arm support to a level that will support your arm and
hand even with your mouse or desk.  Then build speakers into the
wingback parts and call it..."Frankenchair".  Matches my 12 HP
Frankenvacuum....

Michael Cecil
mce...@cyberramp.net
The Polychromic Dragon of the -=[UDIC]=-

Michael Cecil wrote:
> 
> On 13 Feb 1997 21:46:10 GMT, m...@chat.carleton.ca (Mark Ip) wrote:
> 
> >Allen (all...@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM) wrote:
> >
> >> I'm the guy that started this thread.  After reading lots of responses to
> >> my question, I took the advice of several users and went out and spent
> >> some money this weekend.
> >
> >> I bought a Logitech Marble Trackman and a Gravis Game Pad Pro.  The Marble
> >> Trackman is VERY comfortable for right handed mouse operations, and the
> >> Gravis Game Pad Pro is great for programming keyboard commands and using
> >> it with my left hand.  I also rearranged the furniture in my study, moving
> >> the futon close to the computer desk so I can now recline and comfortably
> >> play Diablo all day long without any discomfort.
> >
> >> Thanks for the suggestions everybody!
> >
> >> Allen "Telecaster"
> >
> >Has anyone tried the Cirque pad or something? I'm using it now and I think
> >it's great. I just found it strange that everyone was talking about
> >trackballs only....
> I solved this problem years ago.  Just find a big old comfy wingback
> chair somewhere.  Peel the covering off the mouse hand chair arm and
> build a nice arm support to a level that will support your arm and
> hand even with your mouse or desk.  Then build speakers into the
> wingback parts and call it..."Frankenchair".  Matches my 12 HP
> Frankenvacuum....

LOL, cracking good post! 

 
> Michael Cecil
> mce...@cyberramp.net
> The Polychromic Dragon of the -=[UDIC]=-

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