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In article <1992May14....@muddcs.claremont.edu>, kar...@jarthur.claremont.edu (Kurt*z* S. Araki) writes:
|> 
|> Does anyone know of REAL good Baseball simulators?
|> I'd like to know of one that can play whole seasons, create teams,
|> keeps running stats... injuries would even be a bonus...
|> 
|> But, does anyone have any strong suggestions? Thank you
|> 
|> -KSA


I would really like to know that, too !

Tim

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Go, BULLS, Go !

In article <1992May14....@muddcs.claremont.edu> kar...@jarthur.claremont.edu (Kurt*z* S. Araki) writes:
>
>Does anyone know of REAL good Baseball simulators?
>I'd like to know of one that can play whole seasons, create teams,
>keeps running stats... injuries would even be a bonus...
>
>But, does anyone have any strong suggestions? Thank you

	This seems to be a FAQ.  Maybe we should include this in FAQL...

	There are a lot of baseball simulators out there, and I have seen
quite a few myself.  And most of the baseball games do what you want it
to do.  Here is a short list.

	1.  Earl Weaver Baseball II:  I had Earl Weaver I for Mac and I
loved it so much, I got II when I upgraded to an IBM.  Frankly I liked
I better.  EWBII has everything EWBI had, i.e. stats, seasons, real teams.
With EWBII, you can create your own league, team, etc.  Injuries happen.
EWBII, however, is rather weak in graphics department.  The movements are
rather jerky.  My EWBII also has a bug.  The enter key freezes in the 
middle of a game, and since I only use keyboard, I can't play anymore.
EWBII supports keyboard and joystick.

	2.  Tony LaRussa's Ultimate Baseball:  Very similar to EWBII, but
smoother graphics.  From what I hear, it depends on the stats more heavily
than EWBII.  Haven't seen the difference myself.  Ultimate also has more
options in the league menu, i.e. you can make up the schedule yourself,
the length of the season, and you can just watch the computer play out
the day's games or the season's games.  Joystick and keyboard supported, but
I recommend joystick since it's almost impossible to move your fielders
with keyboard.  Also, in Ultimate, you have to control your own fielders
while in EWBII, the computer moves the fielders for you, but you get to
throw.  They both have play/manage and manage only modes.

	3.  Microleague Baseball.  The granddaddy of 'em all.  Not much
of graphics, but is heavily stat dependent.  I haven't seen the new version
so I don't know how much graphics they put in, but I don't see the need for
it, if they keep that old format of stat playing.

	4.  Hard Ball III:  Just saw it the other day.  It's just like
Hard Ball I and II, but you get to create your teams, etc, etc.  An added
bonus is Al Michael's doing the play-by-play.  Frankly, I prefer Chris
Berman.  8^)  Not as heavily stat dependent as the others, but it does
affect the individual players hitting/pitching abilities.  I would recommend
a joystick.

	5.  Bo Jackson Baseball:  Haven't seen this one.

	These are the major baseball games out there for PC.  I recommend
Tony LaRussa, but Microleague will be my pick, if you don't care for the
action department.

>
>-KSA


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In article <1992May14....@muddcs.claremont.edu> kar...@jarthur.claremont.edu (Kurt*z* S. Araki) writes:
>
>Does anyone know of REAL good Baseball simulators?
>I'd like to know of one that can play whole seasons, create teams,
>keeps running stats... injuries would even be a bonus...
>
>But, does anyone have any strong suggestions? Thank you

PC Magazine just reviewed a bunch of baseball games in the "After
Hours" section of a recent issue (the one with Windows 3.1 on the
cover).  You might check that out.

In article <1992May14....@muddcs.claremont.edu> kar...@jarthur.claremont.edu (Kurt*z* S. Araki) writes:
>
>Does anyone know of REAL good Baseball simulators?
>I'd like to know of one that can play whole seasons, create teams,
>keeps running stats... injuries would even be a bonus...
>
>But, does anyone have any strong suggestions? Thank you
>
>-KSA

The 4/28/92 issue of PC Mag ran a feature on Baseball simulators for the PC.
(see the "After Hours" column). 

They distinguished between good simulators from a manager's point of view 
(making changes, selecting players, stats etc.) and good action games from 
an arcade perspective. In the former catagory, Earl Weaver Baseball II was a
"must for for managers who love statistics".  In the latter, Bo Jackson 
Baseball  seemed to be their favourite.

Hope this  helps

Gunjan

In article <uuh3g...@agate.berkeley.edu>, gun...@garnet.berkeley.edu (Gunjan Bhow) writes:
> In article <1992May14....@muddcs.claremont.edu> kar...@jarthur.claremont.edu (Kurt*z* S. Araki) writes:
>>
>>Does anyone know of REAL good Baseball simulators?
>>I'd like to know of one that can play whole seasons, create teams,
>>keeps running stats... injuries would even be a bonus...
>>
>>But, does anyone have any strong suggestions? Thank you
>>
>>-KSA

Have you seen Hardball 3 yet? Earl Weaver II was a joke. 

HB3 is REALLY nice. It has digitized play by play calls. And the grahics are
excellent. 256 VGA. And you can select different stadiums.

                              oOo MILAMBER conDoin oOo
 

In article <1992May14....@meaddata.com> dav...@meaddata.com (David Galehouse) writes:
>    I was very disappointed with Bo Jackson Baseball. Although the
>	graphics and general playability of the game are good the
>	interface is awful. You're supposed to use the joystick to move an
>	on-screen pencil around to make team selections, player
>	substitutions etc. The pencil is very jerky and does not seem to
>	respond well to the joystick movements which makes it frustrating,
>	if not impossible, to control. 
>
>    The documentation that comes with the game states that for best
>	results you should not use a disk cache or memory management
>	utilities. I'm not sure if the fact that I use these utilities has
>	anything to do with my problems but I'm not willing to cripple my
>	machine just to play this game. Data East stirkes again...
>

I just posted about BJB, and I have to agree with this.  I *almost* took the
game back, but after playing a couple games the actual play feel won me
over.

Data East is also making Ultrabots, which I would probably purchase sight-
unseen if some other company than Data East were doing it.  Now I'll wait to
see what others think before I buy it based on the overall quality of BJB.

-edg-

>Have you seen Hardball 3 yet? Earl Weaver II was a joke. 
>
>HB3 is REALLY nice. It has digitized play by play calls. And the grahics are
>excellent. 256 VGA. And you can select different stadiums.

Sounds like you've already seen Hardball 3 in action.  So, what stadiums
are there this time?  HB2 was a real disappointment.  You don't even get
a close up view of the stadium when you hit a homerun.

	The latest (5/13) issue of Baseball Weekly ran an article about the
newest baseball games out there, including the statistics-based, non-joystick
types, which provide (obviously) much better re-creation of seasons.
	My personal favorite is Pursue The Pennant (and I've tried most all 
of them). No joystick, just strategy. No graphics, either, but the interface
is excellent. A very good simulation, very accurate, with pretty much all
the options you could want as manager. The newest version will include
a programmable computer manager, too.
	Games take 5-15 minutes, depending on how they go; I can play a 
season (162 games) in a week of playing while watching hockey games on TV :)
	I'd say under 10 min, average.
	And it comes with complete player creation and stats packages, the
latter letting you show league leaders in a ton of categories, detailed 
standings, and on and on...
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In article <1992May14....@muddcs.claremont.edu> kar...@jarthur.claremont.edu (Kurt*z* S. Araki) writes:
>
>Does anyone know of REAL good Baseball simulators?
>I'd like to know of one that can play whole seasons, create teams,
>keeps running stats... injuries would even be a bonus...
>
>But, does anyone have any strong suggestions? Thank you
>
>-KSA


	I dunno, but I just saw Hardball 3!  at a store near me....
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In article <uuh3g...@agate.berkeley.edu> gun...@garnet.berkeley.edu (Gunjan Bhow) writes:
>
>The 4/28/92 issue of PC Mag ran a feature on Baseball simulators for the PC.
>(see the "After Hours" column). 
>
>They distinguished between good simulators from a manager's point of view 
>(making changes, selecting players, stats etc.) and good action games from 
>an arcade perspective. In the former catagory, Earl Weaver Baseball II was a
>"must for for managers who love statistics".  In the latter, Bo Jackson 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Baseball  seemed to be their favourite.

Here they are entirely wrong, IMO.  Even though they also reviewed 
APBA (I believe) they clearly are biased toward big-publisher graphics
games.  They didn't play Pursue the Pennant or Strat-o-matic.  Both of
which (and APBA) are far superior to EWBBII in the *realistic* use and
results of stats.
Maybe EWBBII is the best graphics type game for "managers who love
stats", but it doesn't rate with the text based games mentioned above.

Dave Masten

In article <1992May19....@newshost.lanl.gov>
mas...@beta.lanl.gov (David A. Masten) writes:
 
>Interest in computer baseball games seems to be high.  Here I take a stab
>at reviewing some of these games to give everyone the benefit of many
>dollars and hours spent (wasted?).  It is a little dated as it doesn't
>include releases like Bo Jackson or Hardball III.
>
Very useful information.  Thanks for entering it.  If it's not too much
trouble, could you provide addresses for the manufacturers of these
games?
 
Also, if a game has editing capability, does that mean it provides the
ability to create "fictional" players by entering whatever attributes
or stats you want?
 
 
 

In article <1992May19.164935.445@newshost.lanl.gov>
masten@beta.lanl.gov (David A. Masten) writes:
 
>Interest in computer baseball games seems to be high.  Here I take a stab
>at reviewing some of these games to give everyone the benefit of many
>dollars and hours spent (wasted?).  It is a little dated as it doesn't
>include releases like Bo Jackson or Hardball III.
>
Very useful information.  Thanks for entering it.  If it's not too much
trouble, could you provide addresses for the manufacturers of these
games?
 
Also, if a game has editing capability, does that mean it provides the
ability to create "fictional" players by entering whatever attributes
or stats you want?