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Article #66204Re: games: fun vs winning (was Re: online apps)
From: Robert Tweed
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 07:30
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 07:30
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"Alex Sramek" <asr...@csulb.edu> wrote in message news:3D5DF001.1060500@csulb.edu... > > > Fun hardly requires winning; Maxis built an entire industry (the sim) based on non-winning games. > > I wouldn't say the sim games are non-winning. They just don't have > end-game wins. They are games of smaller, incremental wins. Reach > 10,000 population and get a statue, that's a win. Build your first > arco, that's a win. Destroy your town with aliens or monsters, that's > (strangely enough) a win. Just because you don't say "I won! I beat > the game!", doesn't mean you haven't won in some respect. That's one way to look at it, but the Sim games are the subject of a lot of discussion over whether they are games or toys. Since there is no in-built definition of what is a goal and what isn't (the goals are the individual goals of the player) I would say that it's a toy: what people do with it is create their own game. It's a subtle difference, but it exists nonetheless. - Robert
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