🚀 go-pugleaf

To clarify a point.  In the history it is stated that the flame war was not
significant during the 11/96 to 12/96 period on usenet.  In fact it was
raging and some days represented 80% of posts to the group.  During
that period no one came out supporting DS and there weren't any calls
to stop because the readers of the groups in 96 were aware of DS's
spamming and wanted him out.  His supporters show up later(mostly
in December but a couple were there in November).  DS's supporters
came from readers, who were not reading the group in late summer
and fall '96.  They did not see the horrible behavior DS committed
during this period.  The example I see in the FTHX and Huffman
archive don't pay justice to the mean spirted posts DS made to his
customers who politely asked simple questions about installing the game
(which was the main problem out of the box.  Buyers couldn't even get
the game running to see how buggy it really was).

Many threads such as these dominated the CSIPGS group:

    The review of the box also many vaporware threads

   Which is better the cd or the box(the cd won because it could be used
        as a weapon like a frisbee, but some designs for box weapons were
        presented)

    The class action lawsuit

    The coke files

    DS getting drilled during the late summer and early fall for spamming the
        group with release date promises

    DS getting hammered by programmers because his mythical AI logic
        algorithms didn't make sense(lots of buzz words used incorrectly)

    DS couldn't figure out how to filter the group

    Why was DS posting so much instead of patching the game

Unfortunately Dejanews didn't completely archive the group's postings
until winter '97.

One other interesting point is that the group was overwhelmingly
supportive of DS in the beginning.  We wanted BC3K to be great.
It was a highly anticipated game during a time when alot of games were
looking like vaporware(Dungeon Keeper, Falcon 4.0, etc.).  The soon
to be released BC3K was touted as the most sophisticated game ever
released.  The problem was simply: how good could a game be that
wouldn't even install.  DS single handedly turned the group against him.

Another point is that Lester from Impressions posted in the group at the
same time.  He took it on the chin about the poor track record of Impression's
games from that period.  He took alot of garbage like a man and listened to
his customers.  Now look at the quality of games that Impressions puts out.
Good work David.


Daniel

In article <363F19D0...@lilly.com>,
Daniel Evans  <evans_danie...@lilly.com> wrote:
>To clarify a point.  In the history it is stated that the flame war was not
>significant during the 11/96 to 12/96 period on usenet.  In fact it was
...snip very interesting info...
>
>    DS getting hammered by programmers because his mythical AI logic
>        algorithms didn't make sense(lots of buzz words used incorrectly)
>
>    DS couldn't figure out how to filter the group
>
>    Why was DS posting so much instead of patching the game
>
>Unfortunately Dejanews didn't completely archive the group's postings
>until winter '97.
>
>One other interesting point is that the group was overwhelmingly
>supportive of DS in the beginning.  We wanted BC3K to be great.
>It was a highly anticipated game during a time when alot of games were
>looking like vaporware(Dungeon Keeper, Falcon 4.0, etc.).  The soon
>to be released BC3K was touted as the most sophisticated game ever
>released.  The problem was simply: how good could a game be that
>wouldn't even install.  DS single handedly turned the group against him.

Excellent! information, I'll include this on the web page with the 
longer history until (ever) I have time to update the history. This 
is exactly the kind of information that I was hoping we'd get to make
it more complete. 

Daniel Evans wrote in message <363F19D0...@lilly.com>...
:To clarify a point.  In the history it is stated that the
flame war was not
:significant during the 11/96 to 12/96 period on usenet.  In
fact it was
:raging and some days represented 80% of posts to the group.
During
:that period no one came out supporting DS and there weren't
any calls
:to stop because the readers of the groups in 96 were aware of
DS's
:spamming and wanted him out.  His supporters show up
later(mostly
:in December but a couple were there in November).  DS's
supporters
:came from readers, who were not reading the group in late
summer
:and fall '96.  They did not see the horrible behavior DS
committed
:during this period.  The example I see in the FTHX and Huffman
:archive don't pay justice to the mean spirted posts DS made to
his
:customers who politely asked simple questions about installing
the game
:(which was the main problem out of the box.  Buyers couldn't
even get
:the game running to see how buggy it really was).
:
:Many threads such as these dominated the CSIPGS group:
:
:    The review of the box also many vaporware threads
:
There were also many comments on the ad campaign, which feature
some hot looking chick with the box between her legs.
Any one still have that?  Please send me a scan of it, I would
love to read some of the pre release hype.
Some one also compared two versions of the display box, noting
how the dimensions had changed and stuff like that.  The BOX
was all there was for a long time.
I tell you my impression of the 'early days.'  It was almost
surreal the way DKS dug his own grave by posting in a Jeckle
and Hyde manner.  Oh, excuse me, I ment Dr. Jeckle.
Or he would post a version control file with HUNDREDS of bugs.
The amazing thing is, was he even playing the game?  If anyone
should have known that the game was not ready for release it
was him.  Just recently he made changes to weapon specs and the
battlecruiser handling.  2 years later and he's doing play
balancing.

\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
Pat Lundrigan
///////////////

PJL wrote:

> There were also many comments on the ad campaign, which feature
> some hot looking chick with the box between her legs.
> Any one still have that?  Please send me a scan of it, I would
> love to read some of the pre release hype.
> Some one also compared two versions of the display box, noting
> how the dimensions had changed and stuff like that.  The BOX
> was all there was for a long time.
> I tell you my impression of the 'early days.'  It was almost
> surreal the way DKS dug his own grave by posting in a Jeckle
> and Hyde manner.  Oh, excuse me, I ment Dr. Jeckle.
> Or he would post a version control file with HUNDREDS of bugs.
> The amazing thing is, was he even playing the game?  If anyone
> should have known that the game was not ready for release it
> was him.  Just recently he made changes to weapon specs and the
> battlecruiser handling.  2 years later and he's doing play
> balancing.
>

I forgot about the ad thread.  Wasn't there a problem with the model
notgetting paid?  Didn't Derek say the model was his girlfriend?


Daniel

Daniel Evans wrote in message <363F4422...@lilly.com>...
:
:
:PJL wrote:
:
:> There were also many comments on the ad campaign, which
feature
:> some hot looking chick with the box between her legs.
:> Any one still have that?  Please send me a scan of it, I
would
:> love to read some of the pre release hype.
:> Some one also compared two versions of the display box,
noting
:> how the dimensions had changed and stuff like that.  The BOX
:> was all there was for a long time.
:> I tell you my impression of the 'early days.'  It was almost
:> surreal the way DKS dug his own grave by posting in a Jeckle
:> and Hyde manner.  Oh, excuse me, I ment Dr. Jeckle.
:> Or he would post a version control file with HUNDREDS of
bugs.
:> The amazing thing is, was he even playing the game?  If
anyone
:> should have known that the game was not ready for release it
:> was him.  Just recently he made changes to weapon specs and
the
:> battlecruiser handling.  2 years later and he's doing play
:> balancing.
:>
:
:I forgot about the ad thread.  Wasn't there a problem with the
model
:notgetting paid?  Didn't Derek say the model was his
girlfriend?
:


I don't remember, but someone said she made every other model
look like a witch, no wait, that was something else.

One other funny thing about the box is the screen shot of the
bridge view.  It has the upper third as the outside view and
the bottom 2/3 displays.  It looks just like flight simulator!
I wonder if BOX 2.0 will have a screen shot of PERSCAN.

What will the ad campaign say now?

7 years in the making and 2 years in the patching!
Some people have questioned it's playability, but to me there
is no doubt.
You will be amazed, at best.
The last update you will ever Desire!
Better than Outpost 2.
Full manual included.  Really! Honest!
The rib-crushing developer's edition.
Coupon enclosed for $1 off your next 6 pack of Coke.
Socks not included!
Includes extracted CD ROM holder!
CD is Whamo approved for use as indoor Frisbee.
Has FBI seal of approval.
Latest patch available NOW!
Free customer service available at c.s.i.p.g.s.
Flame retardant box
Return postage guaranteed
Interplay QA approved (the same folks you brought you Decent
into Undermountain)
Includes bonus ACM mission 'Assault on the Huffman Empire'
0% Take 2 code!
Uses AILOG code, the groundbreaking AI system surpressed at
universities worldwide.

\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
Pat Lundrigan
///////////////

:
:Daniel
:
:

"PJL" <meg_ma...@msn.com> writes:

[snip]

>What will the ad campaign say now?

>7 years in the making and 2 years in the patching!
>Some people have questioned it's playability, but to me there
                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^
>is no doubt.

Shouldn't that be UN-playability, to be more in keeping with Dr. Smart's 
original "insanity" quote?  :-)

[snip rest of hilarious ad]

Gary

PJL wrote:
<snip>

ROFL !

-- 
VIRGO

"A sublime state of being is always being right"

Bill Huffman wrote:

> PRE-HISTORY YEARS (before BC3K)
> The very beginnings of this story have never been chronicled for
> Derekology. I assume that Derek Smart was born. Come to think of it
> I believe that Mr. Smart has even admitted to being born.


WRONG ! Smart was 'spontaneously generated from the Black Ether Hole'.
He truly is a 'space baby'

> Note: these very early years are based entirely on Mr. Smart's word.

We know that the 'murky' years <the years before the Huffman Age of
Enlightenment <the proper acronym is HALO> of the BCK saga is still
riddled in mystery and intrigue


>
> -When Mr. Smart was in London he started working on his game
> 1988-1989.
> 

You missed some crucial information here. Apparently, Mr. Smart was the
man who sold Bill Gates on the idea of purchasing the Digital Research
MSDOS license. Also, Mr. Smart was THE inventor of the Xerox Windowing
system, and the Motorola 68x chip. At this point, when he was still a
diaper clad teenager <he was a whiz at programming but had some troubles
with toilet training>, Smart thought up a KEWL game called
BATTLECRUISER. OF course, since he was smarter than the garbage man, he
couldn't tell anyone of his prophetic vision. He had to wait 20 years
until the technology caught up with his vision.

>
> 
> -In October 1992, Derek signed with BC3K's first publisher. In a post
> made before Interplay was announced as a distributor, Mr. Smart said
> that BC3K had a total of 4 publishers (IIRC).

Derek Smart is most famous 'to those in the know' for inventing the
Computer Publishing industry. So, in a sense, he had many more than 4.
If you visit his lush offices in the alleys of Miami where his Mercedes
is parked next to the Dade County Soup Kitchen, you will see his
diplomas lauding his accomplishments in creating such industry giants as
Electronic Arts.
 


> -By January 1993 the publisher (Intracorp?) had dropped BC3K.
> 

Not true. Derek told them to keep their pennies and walked out.


> -By March 1993 another publisher had picked up and dropped BC3K.

Not true Huffman. Watch your 'facts.' Smart was having an affair during
this period with a sexy red Coke Machine.


> 
> -In early 1993 Derek came out with BC3K demo 3.0. The manual is
> available in the archives/1DerekHistory/1Before1997/93demoManual.txt
> Derek says, "The purpose of this demo is to ensure that GALCOM
> operatives remain confident that this program will be worth the wait.
> A whole bunch of features have been disabled such as trading, docking,
> 
> personnel deployment etc."

What about :

Gameplay? Install routine? Graphics? Marines? Mouse Support ? Operating
system support?

> -On May 10, 1995 Three Sixty Pacific announced that they'd signed
> with Mr. Smart to complete BC3K, 


and they soon went bankrupt.

> "After seeing the huge demo about a couple years ago (about 12 meg
> or so in many pieces) and all the hype in the readme's, it has made
> me wonder why anyone will pick it up at all.  The game just really
> stunk."

An excellent quote. You misunderstand the context, however. He was
referring to Derek's 'game' of farting during important meetings.


> 
> editorial note: You have to hand it to Mr. Smart, he is persistent
> and determined.

So are maniacs, lunatics, fiends, and foreign despots. 

 
> 
> -August 1995 Take2 announced "Yes, BC3000AD has been in
> development for a long time (o.k. a really, really long time), but the
> game is in Beta now and it WILL be worth the wait."

Typical. Derek writes a great game, but Take 2 screws up the release
info. When Derek signed his contract, he said it would be ready in 2006,
NOT 1996.


> 
> -December 15, 1995 Derek announced "THE RELEASE DATE OF
> BATTLECRUISER:3000AD HAS BEEN PUSHED BACK TO JANUARY 15TH 1996."
> (see archive/1DerekHistory/1Before1997/BC3KTardiness.txt) This
> post is also the earliest post I've found where Mr. Smart claims
> a PhD.

His credibility was running thin at this point and he needed to bolster
his ego.


> 
> -2/12/96 is the first date I've found for Derek posting on the
> Usenet. Prior to that, he posted very frequently on AOL and I
> think also on Compuserve. 

Of course he did ! He was the managing partner of both those firms ! Of
course, his tax returns for those years are framed in his office, but
the IRS never heard of him.

> 
> -2/16/96 was Mr. Smart's first flame on Usenet, "Here we go again.
> What's the matter with you people." Only a mild one but, a first is
> a first.

Very much like a small pebble rolling down a mountain that starts an
avalanche.

> 
> -2/21/96 was Mr. Smart's first Derekism spoken on Usenet,
> "Give me more credit than I am due." The most famous Derekism
> today is probably, Some people have even questioned my insanity.
> But, I never doubt.

No, the best is 'a Great Moment in the Anals of Gaming'


> 
> -Sometime before May 1996 Mr. Smart suffered some personal trauma
> or sadness when his wife left him. He said it was because of
> time and effort he'd put into BC3K.

I thought he had a new covergirl babe around this time?

> 
> -June-Sept 1996 Derek had signed the contract agreeing to give
> control to Take2 but, he didn't cooperate. From Derek's own words,
> it appears he fought them every step of the way.

Yes, he truly is a great leader and inspiration to his teammates.

 
> He even worked on a different build than the rest of his team worked
> on.

Of course ! You think Smart would let anyone see his amazing ability in
Fortran ???

> In a following quote from Derek, he even admits that his build
> had a whole bunch of fixes in it that were not in the Take2 build.
> Why hadn't Derek released his fixes to his development team's build?
> He instead played "chicken" with Take2, assuming they wouldn't go
> through with the planned deadline if their build was too pathetic
> unfortunately, he was wrong.

BULLSHIT ! Search Dejanews ! Smart is saying as late as July 96 how
awesome the game will be, and how it will be released in OCtober ! I
thought you had a Derekology PHD???????
> 
> -September 1996, Mr. Smart allegedly attacked a coke machine at
> Take2 when he was told Take2 was releasing the game anyway.

Alleged? I paid $25000 at a Christies auction for that most famous of
Coke Machines. If it was only alledged, I got ripped <of course, the
teeth marks on the machine could have been put their by Smart's pet dog
Dan Brooks>.


> Allegedly, security had to escort Mr. Smart off the premises.

They tossed him out on his ear.



> A curious note, Mr. Smart still says he didn't find out that
> they really shipped until he went and bought his own copy.

Yea. right. I am also peddling the Brooklyn Bridge.

  
> -October 1996 Take2 released BC3K as an incomplete game.  My guess
> is that Take2 went through with the release in large part because
> Mr. Smart had not cooperated with the BC3K development team and
> Take2 didn't see any other choice except walking away and taking
> a big lose on the whole deal.

Correct. However, by this time Derek was raking in the bucks from his
modifications to the NASA HUBBLE TELESCOPE DEEP SPACE ARRAY camera
<Derek was searching for the Ego Hole from which he was spawned>, and
didn't need the money anyway. 




> "RE:patch d
> This patch will be a major patch which marks (a) the completion of
> the game's missing features, ie orbital flight model, probe ORBSCAN
> logic 


Yeah, Derek gets lots of PROBE ORSCANS up his butt every night. I can't
see the logic in it though.


The D patch actually came out in October 1997. Version
> 1.1 was renamed to 2.0 and is being released by Interplay as
> a bargain bin title packaged with another game.

IF it ever comes out you mean. Be careful, or Crafty Dan will find a way
to make your words look like something Twisty Dan might say. Remember,
Stiffy Dan is always cruising for a good time.



> -As I understand what went on in AOL and Compuserve, Mr. Smart was
> a laughing stock and the center of the flame war in these forums.

Be careful. The man is Legend in his Own Mind. If you upset him,  you
may find yourself on the wrong end of a blistering attack of mousse
warheads and vapid lawyers.


> 
> -As the flame war moved to Usenet, the flame war topics were centered
> around things like where is the promised FAQ? Where is the promised
> manual? Derek blaming everything on Take2. Derek claiming that he
> didn't get paid by Take2. (A report filled by Take2 with a federal
> overseeing agency contradicts this.) Derek insulting customers.
> Derek insulting bystanders. Derek proving he could be a most
> entertaining fellow, at least when he didn't want to be.  Derek
> claiming he warned people the game wasn't playable from the
> beginning. Derek saying he only flames in self defense. Derek
> telling his customers in Europe they wouldn't be supported then
> denying he ever said that.
> 

Where do you think Skillful Dan learned his trade from? Of course Derek
needed to instruct Acolyte Dan. Such training as Dutiful Dan received
takes years, and costs millions of pennies.


> -2/16/97 Mr. Smart said, "I would like to assure you AND give you my
> personal guarantee that my midnight on 3/01/97 a complete manual in
> Word 7 and Adobe Acrobat format


Yes. This was Derek's greatest Faux Pas, IMHO, greater than his
fraudulent PHD. He was shown to be a WILLFUL liar whose only skill is in
deception, scamming, and instrucing neophyte Hypocrites.


> -2/20/97 Mr. Smart makes some racist insults against an oriental
> and all hell breaks loose. (see TOEFL posts in FamousFlames)

Derek himself FATHERED the entire Asian race, and invented the TOEFL
test to keep out some of his hideous brood. So he was entitled to his
remarks. Visit his shack in the worst part of Miami, and you will see
his Family Tree in his delicate frame. He would send it to you if it
woudn't break.


>As part of Derek's on-line response, he made a post in which
> he waved his PhD in their faces and said that if they wanted more
> detail about how it worked, they should have looked up his
> dissertation because, it's published and available. He said they
> should do their homework, it avoids so many hassles latter. This
> proved important later as Derek's biggest known lie, his PhD,
> started to unravel.  see


This is a lie. Derek had a bet with Casino Dan that no one could find it
since he had the only record of it in his tiny cubicle in Miami.


> -In this early period of 1997 a statement that Mr. Smart allegedly
> made in the AOL forum that he had spent 3.5 million dollars of his
> own money 

WRONG HUFFMAN! It was his mom's money !

> 
> -5/97 Derek's top quote of the month, "Is it me or are you just
> oozing with stupidity? The BC3K fame directed at US the gaming
> community for crying out load. Do I have to spell it out for you?
> Yet YOU can tell ME I have a communicating problem? I least
> when I lay it on you, you seem to understand quite well what I'm
> saying. Go figure."


ROFL ! This is one that even Obfuscating Dan can't decipher without his
BCK Decoder Ring !


> 
> -6/11/97 Derek was saying he could re-release BC3K on his own if he
> wanted to. Where would he get the million to do this? "I can raise
> a close to a million  in a week if I did the paperwork. ...

Sure. He could easily send another note begging his parents for the
cash.



> see archives/1NotSoSmartPosts/1FamousFlames/PissInMouth.txt
> This lead to me wondering if there might be a way to rid the news
> group of this scourge.  I thought that Mr. Smart was possibly a
> pathological liar. I remembered someone from my past with that
> affliction. I learned I couldn't trust a word they said. When they
> made a statement that put them in a favorable light, I could almost
> count on it being a lie.  Previously, I'd noticed that Derek had
> not responded to queries about his PhD. That had always seemed
> strange to me because I'd rarely seen him pass up a chance to brag.
> But, I had always just dismissed it as maybe Derek just didn't see
> the post. However, at about this same time, Derek had responded
> to a medical doctor that had asked about his PhD. Derek said,
> "What's it to you? Still struggling with your high school
> diploma????" (see
> archives/1NotSoSmartPosts/1CustomerService&PR/MDRequestsPhDInfo.txt)
> Putting it all together, I concluded that his PhD was probably fake.
> 
> -8/8/97 I fire the first volley in the PhD wars.

And you will probably fire the last.



> -8/26/97 I hear back from the librarian that the dissertation can't
> be found. She says that she should have found the dissertation.
> She says she will look and see if he's ever published anything.
> I posted a message to Usenet that there was now verifiable
> evidence that Mr. Smart didn't have a valid PhD.
> 
> Later that day, I get the following email from the librarian.
> --------
> Subject: Dissertation-Smart
> 
> Bill,
> Here is where I have searched besides the Dissertations Abstract
> Online and Sci Search.
> UMI-  both on line and telephone
> IEEE and IE(UK) database from1988 forward. Doesn't seem he has
> written anything for those pubs.
> ACM Guide to all ACM Pubs.  no luck
> OCLC online  nothing no books, dissertation, or papers
> Stanford Technical papers database
> Cambridge UK Technical papers database.
> 
> If he would tell you the university where he did his paper I could
> get it. I have a funny feeling he has not done one yet and possibly
> he doesn't even like to write since I can't find anything.
> 
> I will keep thinking where else I could look, but for the moment the
> outlook isn't very positive.
> 
> Sorry I could not find it for you.
> --------
> I especially enjoyed the part "I have a funny feeling he has not done
> one yet". It was her diplomatic way of trying to say she didn't think
> he really had a PhD. (I confirmed this in a later conversation.)
> 
> -8/27/97 The first, the original "DEREK SMART FRAUD DAY", this is
> the day that Derek's fraud became obvious to the general ng reader
> because there were multiple people that posted they couldn't find
> his dissertation and he changed his story from "it's published and
> listed" to "in submitting the BC3K code for copyright, the entire
> thing is suppressed." After a post by Fthx (IIRC), I realized that
> it all meant that Mr. Smart was a fraud. There was much gloating,
> crowing, laughter and rejoicing. Derek said he was going away and
> wouldn't be back until BC3K 2.0 was on the shelves.
> 
> -9/19/97 Derek starts posting to the newsgroups again. To everyone's
> surprise he's still tagging a PhD after his name.
> 
-- 
VIRGO

"A sublime state of being is always being right"

Virgo wrote in message <364260...@New.net>...
:Bill Huffman wrote:
:
:> PRE-HISTORY YEARS (before BC3K)
:>
:> -2/21/96 was Mr. S---t's first Derekism spoken on Usenet,
:> "Give me more credit than I am due." The most famous
Derekism
:> today is probably, Some people have even questioned my
insanity.
:> But, I never doubt.
:
:No, the best is 'a Great Moment in the Anals of Gaming'
:


The exact quote is:
"BC3K works - prevailed - is still here - one solid dent in the
anals of gaming."
DKS 6/7/98

Are you going after Digital Dan's record of most posts in a
day?

\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
Pat Lundrigan
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PJL wrote:

> The exact quote is:
> "BC3K works - prevailed - is still here - one solid dent in the
> anals of gaming."
> DKS 6/7/98
> 
> Are you going after Digital Dan's record of most posts in a
> day?

YES !

Actually, I have been in our Paris office for much of the last few
months, and just caught up on like 300 bck posts !

> 
> \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
> Pat Lundrigan
> ///////////////

-- 
VIRGO

"A sublime state of being is always being right"

Jeffrey Willis <jswi...@mindspring.com> wrote in article
<365a6f64...@news.mindspring.com>...

<Snip>

> >
> >Oh yea! Well I worked on the pile of dog shit in my back yard
> >for 8 years.  I gave up on it when I saw the pile of horse shit
> >the stable down road had.  It had to be at least 8 feet tall.
> >They even put a sign out in front of it that you weren't allowed
> >to steal any of it.  (That part is true.)  Maybe we should exchange
> >shitty stories, for old times sake. :-)

Heh - 
B.S. = BullShit
M.S. = More Shit
Ph.D. =Piled Higher and Deeper

Now I know the background to the alleged Ph.D. fraud thingy!

//Mats  
 

In article <365a6f64...@news.mindspring.com>,
Jeffrey Willis <jswi...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>Bill, I just have to say this... you are one helluva persistent person.  I 
>went through some archives I had of various saved usenet posts when I saw
>this one (and it's not the first!).  It took me a moment to realize just
>exactly how long you've been after Derek & BC3K.

The trip is what is fun. Where it is headed is unkown and secondary.

>I'm wondering if you remember this particular thread?  It's dated October 
>21st, 1996:
>
>In article <<54gs3k$f...@huffmanpc.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM>,
>Bill Huffman <huf...@news.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM> wrote:
>
>>In article <5425jj$k...@guyana.earthlink.net>,
>>Silverlock <cro...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>... stuff snipped
>>>
>>>Thats flat out stupid Todd,  Its a game for gods sake!!
>>>Although the idea of respecting a person for standing up for
>>>their product is good you have to choose your targets based on WHAT
>>>they are standing up for. To give you an example I have been
>>>working EXTREMELY hard for the last 7 years building a heap
>>>of dog shit in the backyard.  I've toiled over it everyday and I've
>>>stood up to the people in my neighborhood who say its bringing down
>>>property values and its stinking up the area.  I'm proud of my heap
>>>and one day it'll be in the Guiness book of world records as the
>>>largest dungpile in the world.  Then I'm going to charge people 60
>>>dollars to get their pictures taken sittingon top of the largest dung
>>>pile in the world.  Since I am standing up for what I believe in
>>>will you respect me too and come get your picture taken...I'll
>>>even lower the price to 50 Dollars for you?  This isn't a comment 
>>>on BC3000,  I haven't played the game, don't own it etc. This is a
>>>comment on your statement and its apparent blindness.
>>
>>Oh yea! Well I worked on the pile of dog shit in my back yard
>>for 8 years.  I gave up on it when I saw the pile of horse shit
>>the stable down road had.  It had to be at least 8 feet tall.
>>They even put a sign out in front of it that you weren't allowed
>>to steal any of it.  (That part is true.)  Maybe we should exchange
>>shitty stories, for old times sake. :-)

Yes, the reference to the pile of horse shit was true, it reminded me.

BTW, the pile is long gone. It was such a great sign in front of that
huge pile. It cracked me up every time I drove by. Do you think they
had security guarding the pile at night?

huf...@news.SanDiegoCA.ATTGIS.COM (Bill Huffman) writes:

[snip]

>Yes, the reference to the pile of horse shit was true, it reminded me.

>BTW, the pile is long gone. It was such a great sign in front of that
>huge pile. It cracked me up every time I drove by. Do you think they
>had security guarding the pile at night?

Maybe they were actually trying to get rid of it, and the "DO NOT STEAL"
sign was reverse psychology.  If the pile is "long gone," maybe it
worked!  :-)

Gary

Excellent!  Thank you!

Bill Huffman <huf...@news.SanDiegoCA.ATTGIS.COM> wrote in message
news:73eonl$rk3@si611.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM...
|In article <365a6f64...@news.mindspring.com>,
|Jeffrey Willis <jswi...@mindspring.com> wrote:
|>Bill, I just have to say this... you are one helluva persistent
person.  I
|>went through some archives I had of various saved usenet posts when
I saw
|>this one (and it's not the first!).  It took me a moment to realize
just
|>exactly how long you've been after Derek & BC3K.
|
|The trip is what is fun. Where it is headed is unkown and secondary.
|
|>I'm wondering if you remember this particular thread?  It's dated
October
|>21st, 1996:
|>
|>In article <<54gs3k$f...@huffmanpc.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM>,
|>Bill Huffman <huf...@news.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM> wrote:
|>
|>>In article <5425jj$k...@guyana.earthlink.net>,
|>>Silverlock <cro...@earthlink.net> wrote:
|>>
|>>... stuff snipped
|>>>
|>>>Thats flat out stupid Todd,  Its a game for gods sake!!
|>>>Although the idea of respecting a person for standing up for
|>>>their product is good you have to choose your targets based on
WHAT
|>>>they are standing up for. To give you an example I have been
|>>>working EXTREMELY hard for the last 7 years building a heap
|>>>of dog shit in the backyard.  I've toiled over it everyday and
I've
|>>>stood up to the people in my neighborhood who say its bringing
down
|>>>property values and its stinking up the area.  I'm proud of my
heap
|>>>and one day it'll be in the Guiness book of world records as the
|>>>largest dungpile in the world.  Then I'm going to charge people 60
|>>>dollars to get their pictures taken sittingon top of the largest
dung
|>>>pile in the world.  Since I am standing up for what I believe in
|>>>will you respect me too and come get your picture taken...I'll
|>>>even lower the price to 50 Dollars for you?  This isn't a comment
|>>>on BC3000,  I haven't played the game, don't own it etc. This is a
|>>>comment on your statement and its apparent blindness.
|>>
|>>Oh yea! Well I worked on the pile of dog shit in my back yard
|>>for 8 years.  I gave up on it when I saw the pile of horse shit
|>>the stable down road had.  It had to be at least 8 feet tall.
|>>They even put a sign out in front of it that you weren't allowed
|>>to steal any of it.  (That part is true.)  Maybe we should exchange
|>>shitty stories, for old times sake. :-)
|
|Yes, the reference to the pile of horse shit was true, it reminded
me.
|
|BTW, the pile is long gone. It was such a great sign in front of that
|huge pile. It cracked me up every time I drove by. Do you think they
|had security guarding the pile at night?

bp <6b...@home.com> wrote in message <365ce99c.1059143@news>...
>On Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:44:27 -0600, "Dan Brooks"
><dbro...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>Excellent!  Thank you!
>
>Your post was also excellent Dan !! Thank you !!
>LOL

BP, your post was quite good too! Thank both of you!
LOL, *PLONK*, and my killfile leaked!
--
Kevin Allegood ribotr...@mindspring.pants.com
Remove the pants from my email address to reply
"As far as customer service is concerned. Ha! Those who
want customer service know where to go." - Derek Smart

On Wed, 25 Nov 1998 08:27:56 -0500, "Riboflavin" <ri...@mindspring.com>
wrote:

>bp <6b...@home.com> wrote in message <365ce99c.1059143@news>...
>>On Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:44:27 -0600, "Dan Brooks"
>><dbro...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Excellent!  Thank you!
>>
>>Your post was also excellent Dan !! Thank you !!
>>LOL
>
>BP, your post was quite good too! Thank both of you!
>LOL, *PLONK*, and my killfile leaked!
Why you are most welcome, sir
BTW your post was excellent as well
*Ker-chuck* my kill file seems to be broken
>--
>Kevin Allegood ribotr...@mindspring.pants.com
>Remove the pants from my email address to reply
>"As far as customer service is concerned. Ha! Those who
>want customer service know where to go." - Derek Smart
>
>

BP wrote in message <365c426b...@news.mindspring.com>...
>On Wed, 25 Nov 1998 08:27:56 -0500, "Riboflavin" <ri...@mindspring.com>
>wrote:
>
>>bp <6b...@home.com> wrote in message <365ce99c.1059143@news>...
>>>On Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:44:27 -0600, "Dan Brooks"
>>><dbro...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Excellent!  Thank you!
>>>
>>>Your post was also excellent Dan !! Thank you !!
>>>LOL
>>
>>BP, your post was quite good too! Thank both of you!
>>LOL, *PLONK*, and my killfile leaked!
>Why you are most welcome, sir

Certainly, and thank YOU for another excellent post! I wish Dan would make
some more excellent posts for balance!

>BTW your post was excellent as well

*blushes* Thanks, BP, I'm not used to this sort of praise!

>*Ker-chuck* my kill file seems to be broken

Oh yeah? Well:

        _..-@********@-.._
       (@@@****~~~~~~****@@@)
     (@@****~~~~~~~~~~~~****@@)
    (@***~~~~~~PLONK~~~~~~****@)
    (@@**~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~***@@)
     (@**~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~**@)
      (~*****~))    ((~*****~)
       `-****' |    | '****-`
               |    |
             __|    |__
            /~~~~~~~~~~\
            \~~~~~~~~~~/
               |    |
          ___  |    |  ___
     ____(~~~\(      )/~~~)____
    (~~~********************~~~)

--
Kevin Allegood ribotr...@mindspring.pants.com
Remove the pants from my email address to reply
"As far as customer service is concerned. Ha! Those who
want customer service know where to go." - Derek Smart

bp <6b...@home.com> wrote in message <365ce99c.1059143@news>...
:On Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:44:27 -0600, "Dan Babbling Brooks"
:<dbro...@earthlink.net> wrote:
:
:>Excellent!  Thank you!
:
:Your post was also excellent Dan !! Thank you !!
:LOL

It was excellent because it had proof BH was posting from work
in '96.  Diligent Dan wouldn't miss a thing like that!

--
\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
Pat Lundrigan
///////////////

PJL wrote in message <73h1q6$qee$2...@phxtst22.phx1.aro.allied.com>...
>bp <6b...@home.com> wrote in message <365ce99c.1059143@news>...
>:On Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:44:27 -0600, "Dan Babbling Brooks"
>:<dbro...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>:
>:>Excellent!  Thank you!
>:
>:Your post was also excellent Dan !! Thank you !!
>:LOL
>
>It was excellent because it had proof BH was posting from work
>in '96.  Diligent Dan wouldn't miss a thing like that!

Wonderful, Pat! your post was almost as good as Dan's! Thank You!

(BTW, shouldn't Derek's complete archive of everything Huffman has ever
posted have had that post in the first place?)
--
Kevin Allegood ribotr...@mindspring.pants.com
Remove the pants from my email address to reply
"As far as customer service is concerned. Ha! Those who
want customer service know where to go." - Derek Smart

In article <73hj01$m1j$1...@camel15.mindspring.com>,
  "Riboflavin" <ri...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> BP wrote in message <365c426b...@news.mindspring.com>...
> >On Wed, 25 Nov 1998 08:27:56 -0500, "Riboflavin" <ri...@mindspring.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>bp <6b...@home.com> wrote in message <365ce99c.1059143@news>...
> >>>On Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:44:27 -0600, "Dan Brooks"
> >>><dbro...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Excellent!  Thank you!
> >>>
> >>>Your post was also excellent Dan !! Thank you !!
> >>>LOL
> >>
> >>BP, your post was quite good too! Thank both of you!
> >>LOL, *PLONK*, and my killfile leaked!
> >Why you are most welcome, sir
>
> Certainly, and thank YOU for another excellent post! I wish Dan would make
> some more excellent posts for balance!
>
> >BTW your post was excellent as well
>
> *blushes* Thanks, BP, I'm not used to this sort of praise!
>
> >*Ker-chuck* my kill file seems to be broken
>
> Oh yeah? Well:
>
>         _..-@********@-.._
>        (@@@****~~~~~~****@@@)
>      (@@****~~~~~~~~~~~~****@@)
>     (@***~~~~~~PLONK~~~~~~****@)
>     (@@**~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~***@@)
>      (@**~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~**@)
>       (~*****~))    ((~*****~)
>        `-****' |    | '****-`
>                |    |
>              __|    |__
>             /~~~~~~~~~~\
>             \~~~~~~~~~~/
>                |    |
>           ___  |    |  ___
>      ____(~~~\(      )/~~~)____
>     (~~~********************~~~)

Shouldn't the plonk be at the source of the explosion rather than
in the cloud? Don't get me wrong. I was very thankful for the
fun graphic and I'm especially thankful for the laughter it brought.

I'm very thankful for everyone's post and would like to extend
a special thank you to my very own obsessed detracter Hypocrite
Dan. I'm especially thankful for the many hypocritical statements
he's made that have given me extended special humor. e.g.,
---------------------------------------------------------
From: "A Hockey Nut" <sp...@budweiser.com>
Subject: Re: Contact all NG jerks' employers now!
Date: 25 Jul 1998 00:00:00 GMT
...
Bullshit.  I have not, and will not, contact either a person's ISP or
employer, short of a real physical threat having been expressed.  You
apparently feel differently, and I say you are an ass for that reason
(though I could think of many more).
...
And I have not contacted anyone's employer or ISP.  You?
...
I'll make this plain for you.  I think your position, as *you* stated, and
which stands without further clarification, is completely and utterly
disgusting.  To trash any sense of usenet etiquete and common decency and to
say that you feel you should be able to send usenet posts to some flamewar
opponent's employer in order to do harm if you simply feel "justified" is
bottom-of-the-barrel sludge.
-------------------------------------------
Thank you SLUDGE Dan!

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In article <73h3n5$dk4$4...@camel15.mindspring.com>,
  "Riboflavin" <ri...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> PJL wrote in message <73h1q6$qee$2...@phxtst22.phx1.aro.allied.com>...
> >bp <6b...@home.com> wrote in message <365ce99c.1059143@news>...
> >:On Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:44:27 -0600, "Dan Babbling Brooks"
> >:<dbro...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >:
> >:>Excellent!  Thank you!
> >:
> >:Your post was also excellent Dan !! Thank you !!
> >:LOL
> >
> >It was excellent because it had proof BH was posting from work
> >in '96.  Diligent Dan wouldn't miss a thing like that!
>
> Wonderful, Pat! your post was almost as good as Dan's! Thank You!
>
> (BTW, shouldn't Derek's complete archive of everything Huffman has ever
> posted have had that post in the first place?)

I just have to say how thankful I am for Hypocrite Dan's obsession. It is
so wonderful having a detracter of my very own. Now I can really appreciate
all the special moments that Mr. Smart must have had all these years.

For example, last night as we were thankfully shopping for or Thanksgiving
groceries that would make up our Thanksgiving meal, I burst out laughing.
Of course, my wife (who I'm very thankful for) wanted to know what was so
funny. I started to try and explain that there is this Derek Smart
supporter named Dan Brooks and she interrupted me with a laugh and said
"What idiot would support Derek Smart?" It just goes to show you why I'm
so Thankful to have such an intelligent insightful wife.

> --
> Kevin Allegood ribotr...@mindspring.pants.com
> Remove the pants from my email address to reply
> "As far as customer service is concerned. Ha! Those who
> want customer service know where to go." - Derek Smart
>
>


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In article <73jlb7$v0h$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
  huf...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <73h3n5$dk4$4...@camel15.mindspring.com>,
>   "Riboflavin" <ri...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> > PJL wrote in message <73h1q6$qee$2...@phxtst22.phx1.aro.allied.com>...
> > >bp <6b...@home.com> wrote in message <365ce99c.1059143@news>...
> > >:On Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:44:27 -0600, "Dan Babbling Brooks"
> > >:<dbro...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > >:
> > >:>Excellent!  Thank you!
> > >:
> > >:Your post was also excellent Dan !! Thank you !!
> > >:LOL
> > >
> > >It was excellent because it had proof BH was posting from work
> > >in '96.  Diligent Dan wouldn't miss a thing like that!
> >
> > Wonderful, Pat! your post was almost as good as Dan's! Thank You!
> >
> > (BTW, shouldn't Derek's complete archive of everything Huffman has ever
> > posted have had that post in the first place?)
>
> I just have to say how thankful I am for Hypocrite Dan's obsession. It is
> so wonderful having a detracter of my very own. Now I can really appreciate
> all the special moments that Mr. Smart must have had all these years.
>
> For example, last night as we were thankfully shopping for or Thanksgiving
> groceries that would make up our Thanksgiving meal, I burst out laughing.
> Of course, my wife (who I'm very thankful for) wanted to know what was so
> funny. I started to try and explain that there is this Derek Smart
> supporter named Dan Brooks and she interrupted me with a laugh and said
> "What idiot would support Derek Smart?" It just goes to show you why I'm
> so Thankful to have such an intelligent insightful wife.
>

She is walking from magazine also.  No I think so. :)

j.schlaap
>

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I love you.

up

This is golden. I never realized how big a fraud he is until I read all this. Thank you!

Damn and the guy is still trolling to this day...

On Mon, 14 Dec 2015 15:01:55 -0800 (PST), thomas....@gmail.com
wrote:

>Damn and the guy is still trolling to this day...

Heh..   The uncanny ability of Google groups to resurrect old topics
provides ongoing goodies.

Yeah, "Doctor Smart" is somewhat of a national treasure.  Or maybe I
should say a treasure trove of entertainment.

In his defense, I do believe he is intelligent enough to realize his
ability to stay relevant as a shit-stirrer is far more valuable than
his skills as a game designer/developer ever were.  

He's made an entire career out of creating bad games and trolling
about them.

It's kind of a unique, almost impressive skill set if you think about
it.