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> > X is also an operating environment, not an OS.  And you left out the
> > best PC GUI OS: OS/2.  And whether the GUI is an OS or an environment
> > has little relevance: the user's experience and the programming
> > requirements change by a lot.  MS-DOS is present under Win95, but at
> > such a low level that it is not noticed.
> 
> Of course X is an OE. Did I say otherwise?

You implied otherwise.

> And, MS-DOS is very very present in Win95, like it or not.
> As far as the best PC based GUI, I'd say X on top of Linux,
> but that's just because it's free. OS/2 is decent.

But Win95 programming and use are identical to NT.  The apps are
interchangeable, and the only difference that is apparent to the user
is that it says NT on the Start menu, unless he tried to set up
hardware.  Win95 is much, much closer to NT than it is to DOS.

> BTW, whether the GUI is an OS or OE *does* make a difference.
> How many people who use Win 3.1 have had trouble because they
> didn't know how to edit config.sys.suck.my.dick?
> Too many to count.

NT used config files, too, as does OS/2 (well, it did in version 3.0,
when I ran it).  The config files have nothing to do with GUI vs. CLI.
They're just implementation, and could just as easily be used on a
Mac.  (Although they're generally not because of the Mac resource
fork.  File system, not GUI).

> > He did not say he had never heard of Rhapsody.  Read the friggin' post
> > before you flame it!  He said he has never _seen_ or _used_ Rhapsody,
> > which is a fair thing to say of most people outside Apple R&D, because
> > it hasn't been released yet.
> 
> I know what he said. I'd go so far as to say he's never even seen a computer.

Ummm, it seems a bit silly to have to point this out, but he would
have had to have seen a computer in order to post.  I would go so far
as to say that he had even used one.

> He just heard about them on tv. Rhapsody hasn't been released yet
> but if you actually READ the press releases and white papers you
> would be able to make some sort of conjecture as to it's worth.

If there's anything you should have learned by now, it's that press
releases and white papers do not necessarily reflect the final
released product.  Conjecture all you want, but you can't really judge
Rhapsody's worth until you've used it (or at least spoken extensively
with people who have).

> > WRT knowing more than peope with Ph.D.s in CS, he did not say Ph.D.,
> > he said degree.  This could be a batchelor's degree.  And you don't
> > need to know this area of computers to have a degree in CS.  You need
> > to know computer theory, logic and programming.  It is quite possible
> > that he knows more about OSes or hardware than somebody with a BS in
> > CS.  I know more about these areas than many doctoral candidates I
> > know, and I'm just an incoming freshman.
> 
> Ahhh, so that makes you a genius, right?

No, it means I know a lot about computers.  In the same way that you
know a lot about pissantry.  What I was saying was that the doctoral
candidates did not know all that much.  Knowing more than them is not
very difficult.

> Please, enlighten us as to Hardware & Software...please.
> As far as you knowing more than grad students, ummm, okay.
> All the ones I know have no lives (literally) and work
> 20 hours a day in the lab. Wonderful existence, I am sure.
> But I bet they know something about hardware and software
> considering they use the shit 24-7.

Most of the grad students I know are more interesting than that.  They
have lives, get out on evenings and weekends, have
girlfriends/boyfriends, etc.  They know how to program, and in their
areas of expertise are way beyond my comprehension, but their areas of
expertise are not hardware or OSes.  When they have a computer crash,
want to know how to convert a batch of image files, want to hook up a
digital camera, etc., they come to me.

> > And he does not go to any college, he goes to high school or lower:
> > note the use of the word "teacher" rather than "professor" or
> > "instructor."  Do you actually know anything about colleges, degrees
> > or education in general?  Get past 7th grade before you post on these
> > topics.
> 
> The only thing I know about college is that I have a worthless degree.
> And, btw, it's apparent you lUsers can't take a fucking joke.
> Becoming more apparent each and every day.

No, we can't.  We are a bunch of miserable losers who sit in front of
our computers waiting for people like you to make a comment we can
pounce on. :)

> Get the sticks out of your asses. Everytime you post, it gets shoved
> up a little bit further.
> (yes, I am directly attacking you. I don't have to, but this is more fun)

And does a lot for the argument, I'm sure.  What does any of this have
to do with Mac vs. PC?

-Andy